LDS Freedom Forum

I was listening to the Alex Jones show 2/1/08

In the 1st hour about 20mins or so through he started talking about these weird sectarian groups. Then he said

you have 1000 different brands of Catholics all at each others throats. Then 50 different brands of Mormons all at each others throats, probably 1000 different brands of Seventh Day Adventist all frothing at each others throats. Meanwhile never out warning people about vaccines filled with cancer viruses and mercury. Never out warning people about property rights being taken, Never focusing on issues. A controlled system will never focus on issues. A controlled system will always try and get you to infight with each other. A controlled system will tell you that there is no hope. You'll never beat it. Just give into it. And Just trust God to fix it.

If AJ did some research he would easily see that our church has done a lot to fight against the New World Order, Illuminati etc. And even though our prophet today isn't outwardly leading a fight against them like Ezra Taft Benson, etc did, they have taught us as individuals that we should stand up for freedom.

Dr. Jones could you please have a word to your buddy Alex and set him straight. I would like him to set the record straight publically on his radio that our church has done a lot in this fight and as individuals we still do. I can't support him financially anymore via membership.

Besides Alex more than anyone should know about picking your battles. He basically said don't fight the income tax battle as it is a trap. Basically said pay your taxes and pick other battles you can win.

Our church teaches self-reliance and teaches us how to not become slaves to the New World Order.

I'm certain that our leaders will one day lead a fight against the New World Order as the Lord instructs. But there is a right time for everything. We are still gathering the fruit from the tares. To fight now would bring persecution against the church and effect our ability to save souls for eternity. We fought as a church during Ezra Taft Bensons time. Who listened and obeyed then?? But we all can let other members know and can fight in our own name though.

Regardless I am happy for the fight AJ is leading. He has woken me up. Just be great if he concentrated on individuals leading the fight instead of Churches as a whole. There objectives are eternally more so than mortally.

Alex Jones attacked the 'Mormons'?.......come on.
When someone as an individual is fighting something so massive and they dont see major organizations fighting the same fight they have every reason to be frustrated.
If this is read or heard as an attack, I hope people interpret it as an attack on all organizations that should be fighting righteousness's (Gods) fight.
Alex Jones did not ATTACK the 'Mormons' or the church on 2/1/08 or any other show I have listened to.

'Never out warning'. The 'Never' is incorrect and Alex misunderstands the fight from and LDS perspective. But stating that what he said is an attack...that is incorrect and a misunderstanding.

If you cant support him financially anymore via membership because of what you posted today, in my opinion, he was right. We take offense to a religious attack when our enemy isnt Alex or the Catholics. Its bigger than that.
Wouldn't it be nice if the people were united for freedom, regardless of religion. Instead we (very broad 'we') spend our time at each others throats...talking about that person who said this or that about my faith.

This isn't an attack on you Bridgey. I just understand a little part of Alex's frustration. This is just proof of what he was saying.

Alex is at best the WWF of the freedom battle, his website tell me he is worse. promoting the likes of Rosie, the communist dictator Chavez, and making communist fist signs, telling everyone to go and bull horn the capital as the solution. scare mongering, and conjecture. Bright, real bright.

Sorry Oak3s I differ in opinion here. AJ associated our church with weird sectarians, a controlled system, saying that we are told there is no hope, give into it, etc. Basically said that we don't put up a fight.

Add this with all the other stuff he has says about organised religion and you can start to see that he feels we are either controlled by or part of the illuminati. Okay it didn't help the way BYU treated Dr. Jones. But

There are different ways of fighting. If you listen to the prophets, We are taught to defend our freedoms and prepare.

Perhaps it is too late. Perhaps our only hope was when Ezra Taft Benson was fighting it. Maybe it is a time of preparation, without necessarily giving in to them. Remember giving into them is also becoming reliant on them.

Alex sees Joel Skousen, Dr. Jones and Monnett out there doing there bit and still knocks us.

I think Alex made his position on the church quite clear. He put our church in a bad light, when I feel we deserved better.

If this is an attack on the church, I wish they were all like this. I heard his show and I didn't think it was an attack. He's saying that everyone bickers with each others, even internally, over lesser things, rather than just going out and exposing evil and fighting against it.

Like I haven't seen stuff like that go on in the wards I've been in.

or here

oh snap

He's the one that said GW was going to suspend the election to keep his grasp on power. GW is just a puppet of the same 70 year old regime. it is this type of constant propaganda spouting that give AJ ZERO credibility, and comments like these on the Church/members is just one more example of what would amount to pages upon pages of examples of similar examples.

Some say, "Well at least he wakes people up", well, I've heard the same thing of Rush, but I think we can all agree that is lame logic. It is the same logic many LDS are using to be excited about Mitt for Pres, they say, "At least he is bringing attention to the gospel" It will being tone more members".

Bridgey wrote:. Basically said that we don't put up a fight.

......There are different ways of fighting. If you listen to the prophets, We are taught to defend our freedoms and prepare.

you need to thicken up the skin if you listen to those ACTUALLY doing something to defend your and my freedom. that's their nuts in the vice, you bet they'll be prone to get emotional from time to time.

the guy speaks for what? 3 hours? He has to fill air time, make a point. that's all he did, make the point that disunity gets us nowhere. and he's right anyway, even by any inference un/intended.

As for fighting, well name me 2 fights we as a membership have ever done? polygamy? kirtland? nauvoo? forget that, I mean against the LDG'S.

talk talk talk. that's about all we as a membership could be known for. that and abstaining.

most of our members in the 1st world worship the system. CHH is right. we've been seduced, myself included.

And as a church what would he see? what battles have we actually participated in since 1980? we do say "porn is evil", "marriage is sacred". as you would expect and as all churches do too.

But we also build $300 million dollar pyramids and hold tens of billions of dollars in idle assets. we take medals from Bush, sack dissenters at BYU and give doctorates of humanity and 18 standing ovations to dick cheney.

all told, i'd say we get off REAL light, no doubt thanks to the work of Jones, Monet and Skousen, et al.

the dilemma is, if you show him Ether, and he reads it, and you show him ALL that Pres Benson did and said, and the others, he'd take a look at the church today and ask us questions we'd struggle to answer. he would then say that the church authorities are now afraid of or in the pocket of those whichit used to fight against and its own scriptures instruct it to fight against, or reserve his judgments, which would be polite on his behalf.

sadly, while he and his bullhorn are arrested, we don't have much we can hang our hat on.

Yeah you make some good points. We did however use heaps of money and fight in court re: marriage and homesexuality.

I do think it is a crying shame how we as members haven't heeded the counsel of our prophets and taken a more active role in fighting for the constitution, etc. We bring destruction onto ourselves. But I don't think this apathy has come from the 12. It will be interesting to see what the future brings.

It could be that he sees the support by Mormans for Mitt Romney and is fustrated by it as is most of us here.

I do think it is a crying shame how we as members haven't heeded the counsel of our prophets and taken a more active role in fighting for the constitution, etc. We bring destruction onto ourselves. But I don't think this apathy has come from the 12. It will be interesting to see what the future brings.

That's pretty much the same thing Alex Jones was saying.

501c3. Alex knows it, he's stated it many times before, but it is obviously not sitting too well with him any longer as silence is becoming complacency.

I am going to need to chime in on this thread. This is a topic I have been thinking about lately alot.

Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.

There is a long established history of the Church making adjustments to comply with governmental power - polgamy, public education, prohibition, irs, etc.

That fact of the matter is that per se the members of the Church - as distinguished from the Church - have not been defenders of liberty. One only need look to Utah as evidence of this. Utah is highly taxed and highly regulated, etc.

It is obvious where this will lead. This will all lead to losing our freedoms including the freedom to worship.

If gay rights every gets hold of our nation, we will see no temple ordinances and no priesthood ordinations. The Church will disappear unless the Savior intervenes.

Husband of Liberty

liberty wrote: There is a long established history of the Church making adjustments to comply with governmental power - polgamy, public education, prohibition, irs, etc.

and dont we know it. the lords GLOBAL church dictated by US taxation policy. what was it? "no unhallowed hand shall", or don't we believe that??
sad

liberty wrote: That fact of the matter is that per se the members of the Church - as distinguished from the Church - have not been defenders of liberty. One only need look to Utah as evidence of this. Utah is highly taxed and highly regulated, etc.

the fish rots.......

liberty wrote: If gay rights every gets hold of our nation, we will see no temple ordinances and no priesthood ordinations. The Church will disappear unless the Savior intervenes.

crap. the whole gay rights thing is a smokescreen, keep the christians busy fighting it and lets local politicians look family friendly when its all a diversion. wake up.