buying garmets for others...

[Ferg]

So, here's the situation. I have a BIL who has been through the temple, he let his recommend expire so he doesn't carry a current recommed. Is it alright for a current recommend holder ( family member) to purchase garments for that person? Or should the family member, inquire as to why they don't buy their own. I was always taught that is one reason to be able to be a current recommend holder.

[gkearney]

Jules is right there is no need for a temple recommend to buy garments. I have even had non-members buy them for me when they would be in Salt Lake City, our garment selection here in Australia is limited. I simply gave them the stock numbers, size I wanted along with a note telling the clerk what ward and stake I was in. No problem.

[BigMomma]

Why doesn't the BIL get a new recommend? Is he asking you to buy them because he doesn't have one? If that is the reason I think the answer should be no!
If you don't need a recommend to purchase then why is he having you do it? If he is not worthy and you are aware of that, I wouldn't feel comfortable purchasing for him.

[Moss Man]

I was "carded" a few weeks ago at Deseret when I purchased my garments. It's getting cold and I want to try the knee-length ones.

[Ferg]

Why doesn't the BIL get a new recommend? Is he asking you to buy them because he doesn't have one? If that is the reason I think the answer should be no!
If you don't need a recommend to purchase then why is he having you do it? If he is not worthy and you are aware of that, I wouldn't feel comfortable purchasing for him.

He won' t get a new recommend because of the things that he is currently doing in his life, and the way that he is living. Hence him asking others to purchase his garments. I feel that if he had to purchase his own, it would make him take a look at his life and what he feels is important to him.

[sbsion]

if my stake president thought he could stop me from wearing garments, he would do anything to obtain that desire...someone buys mine for me

[shadow]

Why would your SP not want you to wear garments??

[sbsion]

narcicism(sp)

[EmmaLee]

We don't have a distribution center within many hundreds of miles from where we live, so we have to order garments online every time and they get shipped to us. The only number they ask for is our membership number (which is on your temple recommend - OR - you can get it from your ward clerk), so your BIL should not have any trouble at all buying his own; you shouldn't have to do it for him. When I have visited family out west and gone inside the distribution center to buy garments, they have asked to see my recommend though, so, go figure. Obviously, doing it online, you don't have to have a recommend, but you do have to have a membership number.

[Mark]

if my stake president thought he could stop me from wearing garments, he would do anything to obtain that desire...someone buys mine for me

Having read your posts for the past few years I suspect your SP might just have some strongly held concerns about you Bro. Perhaps the prayer alter in your bedroom hasn't helped your cause? :-s

[sbsion]

no. it's the one in his

[Mark]

no. it's the one in his

Jim Harmston is your Stake Pres? Well that explains a lot! =))


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[sbsion]

no. it's the one in his

Jim Harmston is your Stake Pres? Well that explains a lot! =))
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No, Scott Obama Hintze is

[Still Learning]

Why doesn't the BIL get a new recommend? Is he asking you to buy them because he doesn't have one? If that is the reason I think the answer should be no!
If you don't need a recommend to purchase then why is he having you do it? If he is not worthy and you are aware of that, I wouldn't feel comfortable purchasing for him.

Having been involved in several disciplinary councils, (no not my own) I can definitely speak to this. Just because a person is no longer worthy to hold a recommend by no means he should stop wearing the garments. In fact, I would suggest just the opposite. I would recommend the person continue to wear the garments to remind he/she of the covenants that were made so that he/she would continue to progress back to being a worthy recommend holder. If someone comes in due to worthiness issues and states the they had no longer been wearing the garments, I would tell them to "go home and put them back on?" They are still a protection from graver sins and a reminder. Unless the sin merits excommunication, then they should continue to wear them. Whether or not you purchase for someone would be your own choice. I would go buy them if they needed them.

[Ferg]

Still Learning, thanks for your insite on this matter, I can see where you are coming from, I guess that it's better for him to be able to wear the garments, that is unless something else is happening that he needs to address with his bishop.

[Mahonri]

He shouldn't need a current recommend to buy garments, there are a lot of people who are not current recommend holders that still need new underwear. But anyone can buy for someone else too - I used to buy for my ex all the time.

Buying them in Washington and Arizona I was always "carded"

[Mahonri]

I was "carded" a few weeks ago at Deseret when I purchased my garments. It's getting cold and I want to try the knee-length ones.

Since when are knee length garments "the longer" ones for "colder weather"?? I know they shortened the sleeves recently for the women, but did the shorten the legs even more as well?

[Mahonri]

He shouldn't need a current recommend to buy garments, there are a lot of people who are not current recommend holders that still need new underwear. But anyone can buy for someone else too - I used to buy for my ex all the time.

Buying them in Washington and Arizona I was always "carded"

It is not at all the business of some cash register operator at the distribution center to check your temple recommend and "verify your worthiness" so you can buy underwear. I suspect your experience was a situation of ignorance on the part of the cashier or their supervisor, because it is not a church policy to require a recommend. Good grief, you can buy G's on the internet - ANYONE with a membership number can buy them online.

It's not just "underwear" and I think it actually is policy. I'll see if I can find it. I wonder if there is anyone here without one that would be willing to try and buy some online. Who's game?

[Mahonri]

I've bought them online a couple of times before.

=)) you're not a recommend holder?

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New Rule On Purchasing LDS Garments

KUTV.com/June 7, 2004 While the church made no specific reference to the sale of garments on ebay, shoppers must now present a current LDS temple recommend or their church membership number when buying garments.

The announcement of this new garment purchase policy was read over the pulpit during many LDS church meetings Sunday.

[Mahonri]

I've bought them online a couple of times before.

=)) you're not a recommend holder?

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New Rule On Purchasing LDS Garments

KUTV.com/June 7, 2004 While the church made no specific reference to the sale of garments on ebay, shoppers must now present a current LDS temple recommend or their church membership number when buying garments.

The announcement of this new garment purchase policy was read over the pulpit during many LDS church meetings Sunday.

Yes I'm a recommend holder. And I just NOW completed an online purchase of 5 new tops, and 5 new bottoms online, WITHOUT using my recommend.

I know you are, I was just teasing. Your online account is linked to your membership which is linked to your recommend. You DID use your recommend.

Like I said, we could easily settle to see if the policy is in effect with online purchases if a member without a recommend would try and buy some

[LukeAir2008]

(-| An Australian TV reporter, John Safran, went to the distribution center in JSMB, bought garments, and then went back to a hotel in SLC to put them on, identify the marks on them and then wore them to bed that night.

It would appear that everyone from recommend holders to less actives, non-members and apostates all can buy and wear garments.

[Mahonri]

My ex bought them in person and online and hasn't had a recommend in over 10 years. He even bought some while he was disfellowshipped. You don't have to have a recommend to wear garments, and even my ex was told to continue wearing his G's during that time, like many people are. It would be silly to tell them to continue wearing their G's but not allow them to purchase new ones...?? There are a LOT of endowed members who don't hold current recommends and still need to buy G's. A recommend is for entrance into the temple, not for buying G's. There is no interview with the bishop to determine if a person is worthy of continuing to wear their G's before they go to the store and buy some. Just sayin.....

I wasn't arguing the principle, I was reporting what had been read at a Sacrament meeting I went to, heard on the news, and saw at distribution centers

[natasha]

The letter that was read over the pulpit in our ward said just what the news release above said. When going to the distribution center here in Orem, I presented my temple recommend BECAUSE my membership number is on it. It is my understanding that if you order on-line, you need to enter your membership #. Not everyone's membership # is linked to a recommend. So it appears to me that membership in the Church is the key. On the other hand, you don't wear garments until AFTER you've been through the temple which, of course, requires a recommend. Seems pretty simple and straightforward to me. However, I have never had anyone ask me to buy garments for them. I have bought garments for my husband without him being there. I know that when a person has been excommunicated they are asked to no longer wear their garments. I don't know if it's true when one is disfellowshipped.