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Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 4:10 pm**

Wowie.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVC ... LwZc9HyAgA

Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 4:36 pm**

I read rumors that this guy might not actually be elected council, not sure on that. I doubt this effort will be successful, because it will either be ignored or met with resistance. What I like is the fighting spirit, and the fact that this will inevitably lead to a lot of education for people who look further into the situation.

Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 6:09 pm**

WOW! I would like to see what Buffalo-Girl has to say about this.

And Darren even.

WOW...

The last statement on the article says that she doubts it will happen in her lifetime, I think that it would happen sooner then she thinks.

Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 8:19 pm**

The American Indians as well as the others on this land of Lehi's blood line own this land, This is the land of the tribe of Joseph, as it has been given to them by Christ by command of the Father.

These decedents of Joseph have every right to forcibly remove the wicked occupiers of their lands unless they repent, and love God with all their mind, giving unto them the consideration that they promised to give to the natives in our constitutions and our charters of New England, that have until now allowed us to live among them in peace. Once we turn our backs on our original charters and constitutions, then we become the vermin that Christ says may be exterminated by the children of Lehi who have been given this land directly from him.

We must repent or movements, such as these mentioned in the posts above, will be part of the cleansing that Cleon warned about.

Bruce writes about this important information throughout his works.

such as:

The introduction to THE SIXTH THOUSAND YEARS ("Then Cometh The Day")

http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... _years.pdf

and

“What ‘Lawful’ ‘Title’ Do You Have To Live On The North American Continent?”

http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... _title.pdf

It may be already too late, Ron Paul winning the election may just save us or buy us some time. But it may also be time to begin to connect ourselves to our Native American Bloodlines, and/or refine our personal commitment to our Native American Hosts.

God Bless,
Darren

Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 8:37 pm**

My favorite news story in a very long time. Go Lakota!

Posted: **December 20th, 2007, 8:49 pm**

I wonder if the Cherokee will do that too... or the eastern Sioux..

My old land belonged to the Cherokee...

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 6:22 am**

The American Indians as well as the others on this land of Lehi's blood line own this land, This is the land of the tribe of Ephraim, as it has been given to them by Christ by command of the Father.

Lehi was of the tribe of Mannaseh.

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 9:58 am**

They are "the" tribes. (Every tribe has its own inheritance)

I am suddenly starting to understand why so many members in this area, the Tulsa Oklahoma Mission area are of Cherokee ancestry. They are returning to their land.... WOW

I think I am going to find out where all the Indian territories used to be. I know the Cherokee Nation went all the way to West Virginia, the Appalachian Mountains.

Ephraim has the responsibility to gather them in, but they will get their land restored to them. They have records that promise them this. Ephraim plays a leadership role.

Manasseh has a very important role.

I have a friend that is of Judah, and she is told to join the Ephraim mission on this continent. And that she will teach the tribes the gospel, and is specific about when she will do this, so I find this all very interesting.

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 11:47 am**

jbalm wrote:
The American Indians as well as the others on this land of Lehi's blood line own this land, This is the land of the tribe of Ephraim, as it has been given to them by Christ by command of the Father.
Lehi was of the tribe of Mannaseh.

You got me with that, I knew something wasn't right as I wrote that post, I have since changed it to Joseph

3 Nephi 16:7 Behold, because of their belief in me, saith the Father, and because of the unbelief of you, O house of Israel, in the latter day shall the truth come unto the Gentiles, that the fulness of these things shall be made known unto them.

8 But wo, saith the Father, unto the unbelieving of the Gentiles—for notwithstanding they have come forth upon the face of this land, and have scattered my people who are of the house of Israel; and my people who are of the house of Israel have been cast out from among them, and have been trodden under feet by them;

9 And because of the mercies of the Father unto the Gentiles, and also the judgments of the Father upon my people who are of the house of Israel, verily, verily, I say unto you, that after all this, and I have caused my people who are of the house of Israel to be smitten, and to be afflicted, and to be slain, and to be cast out from among them, and to become hated by them, and to become a hiss and a by-word among them—

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

14 And I will not suffer my people, who are of the house of Israel, to go through among them, and tread them down, saith the Father.

15 But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that has lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, thus hath the Father commanded me—that I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance.

17 And then the words of the prophet Isaiah shall be fulfilled which say:

18 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing, for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring again Zion.

19 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem

20 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eye of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God.

“if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—

Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who are many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the sheep who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver”

D&C 112:23-26, Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord;

And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

You New Englanders! The Purpose that we Feudalistic Southerners had in coming to this Land was, without any apology, to Murder the Family that used to live on this Land and to Steal this former Home of theirs away from them. And you New Englanders have always felt that you were so much better than us because of the difference between our Feudalistic Reality and your Idealistic Balloon. But we have popped it. ‘Do you know what that makes you?’ It means that with that popped Idealism, if you stay here with us in America, that makes you no better than any of the rest of us, just another bunch of ‘Unapologizing Murderers of the Family that used to live here and Thieves of their Homes.’ And, if you think that you are going to get out of your situation just because certain other New Englanders (Mormons) said that God restored the True Church to them that operates just like your ancestral Commonwealth, I am here to tell you that you have the entirety of the Ancient Greco-Roman Intellectual Structure, that all of Medieval Feudalism is based upon, to fight you at every step that you take as you try to pursue that.

A Southern Feudalism Sociologist, at coming upon this Information, might say, “Oh, yes, you Mormons. You are the New Englanders who decided that you were just going to keep right on trying ‘to do all that you do in the Good Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ’ just like your New England Forefathers had been trying to do as their ‘Lawful Title’ to be on the North American Continent before we Southern Thinkers popped their Balloon for them!

“How may they truly ‘do all that they do in the Good Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ’?” The Lord tells us, “Therefore, blessed are ye if ye CONTINUE IN MY GOODNESS.” He showed the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. that the True Church of the Lord Jesus Christ is organized in practically the exact same way as the Christian Anglo-Saxon Founders of London organized it and the way that it has stayed so organized through the intervening centuries to this day. Moreover, Joseph Smith was instructed that the Working Males of the LDS Church are to work together, in their Law of Consecration or “United Order,” in the exact same way that the 500,000 London Free Men, who compose the London Bond Market that operates the World’s Economy today, have always been organized to work together by their Business Law, the Law Merchant.

To say it in brief, the People of New England and their theretofore Intellectual Leadership were merely asked what the Lord Jesus Christ who was taught to them by Catholicism, as Roman Catholic History tells that story, ever personally had to do with their ancestral Anglo-Saxon concepts of: Law, Freedom, Rights, the Free Enterprise System, or even, for that matter, the concept that one fulfills all that one is supposed to do in that ancient Free Enterprise System of their Anglo-Saxon Forefathers by doing all that they do therein in the Good Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.

As these Intellectual Leaders, of New England’s first Universities, quickly realized that these Southerners had “popped their idealistic balloon” that they had built New England on, the previous New England quickly “vanished,” and Feudalistic Southerners moved into the positions of primary Social Administration among the people of the young USA rather than the New Englanders who had organized the American Revolution.

Pointing this out to us decedents of the New Englanders and of the Followers of the Mormon Church, that our “Orderly Conversation” or our “United Order” is what we are exchanging with the Indians as our Title to live on their land.

The basis of the English-speaking People’s being on the North American Continent would forever be what has always been the basis of the operation of all of the Principles of the Business Success of that Foremost Treasure of the Nordic Race, the Law Merchant, that is their ancient Free Enterprise System, that, in the words of the Connecticut Charter – are to be THE ONLY END FOR ALL OF THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLE TO EVER BE ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT, WHICH IS THAT IT SHALL ALWAYS BE SO, “AS THEIR GOOD LIFE AND ORDERLY CONVERSATION MAY WIN AND INVITE THE NATIVES OF THE COUNTRY TO THE KNOWLEDGE AND OBEDIENCE OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND SAVIOR OF MANKIND, AND THE CHRISTIAN FAITH,” – or in the Traditional Wording of their Ancient, Common, Law Merchant, are that THE ONLY END FOR ALL OF THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLE TO EVER BE ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT IS THAT “ALL” THAT THEY WILL EVER “DO” HERE WILL BE “DONE IN” THE “GOOD FAITH” OF THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, THE “CHRISTIAN FAITH” THAT HE DELIVERED TO THEIR FOREFATHERS.

That is the original Title of the English-speaking People to live on the North American Continent.

Work Together By The Law or EXTERMINATION. That is basic gospel doctrine.

God Bless,
Darren

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 11:57 am**

So Darren,

What if you are both?

To me it seems that both, is still "ONE", an eternal round, the same lineage, the same tribe, the same promises...

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 12:13 pm**

I’m hedging my bet on both sides.

I operate my life based on my temple and sacrament covenants, and spread the good faith of my ancestors.

This is something that isn't politically correct amongst a "tithing" people - The culturally Mormon. Sure they put there all into home teaching and the tithing part of their life but the bulk of their lives such as their work/business life are of Babylon.

And I am also discovering my connection with my Native American heritage.

My suggestion is, if you don't have any Native American Blood, you had better become a 100% covenant people. I see that as being the only consideration to trade with the Natives if they become restless with our occupation.

If you have Native American Blood, also hope that will be useful through the cleansing.

Hope that helps.
Darren

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 12:33 pm**

I just emailed the Cherokee Nation Chief about the Lakota's specifically their statement about dissolving treaties and allowing any that give up their US Citizenship to join their nation. I asked about what he foresees in that.

I asked if they might also loosen their restrictions on blood amount to participate within the nation. I mentioned my known heritage and my desire to do more and learn more about it, but I am in Missouri and not WV where I have had my lineage recognized by the state. I told him I do not want US recognition. I want tribal.

So we will see what he says.

My cousin has been fighting in court so he could prove our line, so that he can get Federal Recognition, but I do not want any part of those programs. I want to build a relation with my tribal family.

And just for others reading this, I am still fighting for the liberty of the US, not going to run and hide somewhere LOL...

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 12:34 pm**

Dual-Citizenship would be cool.....

ha ha ha

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 8:16 pm**

Nothing against more-Native Americans (I'm probably a tiny part Cherokee myself), but what if the South, California, or some other group claimed independence? Would the reaction here be the same? People here didn't seem too favorable of the idea when I brought up secession by other groups.

Anyway, good for them. I do agree with them about New Agers and Neo-Pagans. I think even old Norse religion is being corrupted by "modern pagans". It seems neo-Pagans just want something to stick in the face of Christianity, where as new Agers sadly are well masked Satan worshipers (I denied this at first, but come on: hero-ification of Judas, Lucifer, Cain, and other "misunderstood" Biblical characters? Jesus was merely just another great "avatar"? That and reincarnation really turned me off)

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 9:37 pm**

I think we feel differently about it because it is promised by the Lord that they will have it restored to them.

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 10:48 pm**

I personally spoke to the elected President Rodney Bordeaux of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. None of the elected tribal leaders are involved.

Posted: **December 21st, 2007, 11:59 pm**

LC -- pls let us know what you find out. I like your spunk.

Posted: **December 22nd, 2007, 12:59 am**

People here didn't seem too favorable of the idea when I brought up secession by other groups.

Actually, I was saying there, that the idea is legally untested, contrary to the idea that the Civil War resolved the matter, and that Latino leaders in both US and Mexico want the southwest to secede.

Posted: **December 22nd, 2007, 6:56 am**

CHH wrote:I personally spoke to the elected President Rodney Bordeaux of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. None of the elected tribal leaders are involved.

Do you mean that none of the elected Lakota are involved or that the Sioux are not?

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 9:41 am**

Just spoke to a friend about the Lakota, and the notion of "secession" by this tribe. He also found it very intriguing. In fact, depending on the type of gov't they set up and their type of money (Fed reserve notes? probably not) he would like to join their nation. A sovereign nation...

Another friend I told about this said that the Seminole Indians never signed a treaty with the US, and might be in an even better position to declare national sovereignity... Does anyone know about this?

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 9:54 am**

If Ron Paul does not win, I could see how that would be VERY appealing! Especially if we become like Germany and home school is illegal and "massaging your children" and teaching them sexual things is compulsory. (referring to a post in another thread)

You better believe I will go to a sovereign nation that offers liberty if that happens.

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 12:06 pm**

I'm with you on this, LC...

found a map showing "Indian reservations",

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bia- ... ns-usa.png

None that I can see in Mo, most are west of the Mississippi...

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 5:36 pm**

Here is a very good audio clip of Russell Means talking to New Hampshire's "Free Talk Radio" about the Lakota nation seeking independence.

http://www.freetalklive.com/files/means.mp3

They also mention and praise the Ron Paul/libertarian movement.

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 7:34 pm**

DrJones wrote:I'm with you on this, LC...

found a map showing "Indian reservations",

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bia- ... ns-usa.png

None that I can see in Mo, most are west of the Mississippi...

I am trying to find the tribal land maps... I know that the Cherokee owned land in Missouri, when we researched our land in Elkland, it belonged to them and was taken by a mob in 1830.

Also, the original tribe was in West Virginia, those that fled to the mountains are still there.

Posted: **December 27th, 2007, 8:17 pm**

libertyfriend wrote:Here is a very good audio clip of Russell Means talking to New Hampshire's "Free Talk Radio" about the Lakota nation seeking independence.

http://www.freetalklive.com/files/means.mp3

They also mention and praise the Ron Paul/libertarian movement.

WOW, so the Northern Cheyenne are going to follow suit... this is really turning out to be pretty interesting.

I wonder how the local governments are going to act when they get the letters of proposals from the Republic of Lakota, which has already been acknowledged internationally as a nation.. wow.

Buffalo-Girl, does that mean you are on Lakota land now?
(no taxes federally for you then! LOL)

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