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Lundbaek I have always appreciated your knowledge and tireless efforts to try to wake up the members to their civic and spiritual duties regarding this country. I look back over the years and realize that I was slow to awaken to our awful situation and now we are in a situation where the gadiantons, and secret combinations are deeply entrenched. Most members don't realize how deeply and how widely they have infiltrated. We have allowed ourselves to be placed in bondage by our ignorance of the founding principles of this country and history.

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I believe we Latter-day Saints have a doctrinal imperative to do all we can to preserve liberty. The purpose of what I wrote is remind some of my cyber pals that we have this responsibility even though the Prophet is not talking or writing about it at this time. I understand that the Church leadership at the 47 East South Temple St. and at the 50 East North Temple Street cannot promote this topic now, lest the latter-day gadiantons initiate severe persecution of the Church. The ball is in our court now, and we get little support or encouragement from bishops and stake presidents.

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I have been personally acquainted with only 3 LDS candidates for FedGov office: Dale Christensen, candidate for POTUS in 2012, Joe Fabiano, candidate for the Senate in 2012 and for the "House" in 2014, and Andy Biggs, elected to the "House" in 2016 and candidate for reelection in 2018. All 3 of these LDSs ran for the respective offices because they are alarmed at the wide spread acceptance of socialized government and the "legal plunder" required to sustain it, and the current dangers to the God-given and inalienable rights of Americans. Each is also well aware of the doctrinal imperative that all LDSs have to preserve liberty. Each felt a sense of obligation to take action to preserve liberty. And each is aware of the vital role that freedom/liberty plays in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that liberty and agency are eternal doctrines of the Gospel. And I guess I could throw my own (real) name in there, Ralph Hughes. In 2008 I was a candidate for the U.S. "House", knowing very well that I hadn't a prayers chance in a barroom, for the express purpose of bringing to the attention of as many LDSs in my CD and wherever else the divinely mandated responsibilities of LDSs to learn, uphold, and abide by the principles of the U.S. Constitution as those who established the Constitution meant for it to be understood.

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"It seems you are always fighting for lost causes."

"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for"

(Original version of "Casablanca" - 1941)

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“Revelation continues in the Church … under the Lord’s direction.” (President Russell M. Nelson, October 2019 Semi-annual General Conference)

I am so grateful for the awareness (testimony) I have of this fact. Even thru my difficult first several years as a member of the Church, I always knew, without ever a doubt, that the Prophet at the time received revelation as God saw fit to give him revelation or instruction. And I vividly recall President Nelson's wife, speaking at a big event near Phoenix, Arizona, telling of her husband receiving revelation at night and writing down notes and instructions as he received them.

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Can I start a thread called, "Alaris?"

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Alaris wrote: October 8th, 2019, 2:06 pm Can I start a thread called, "Alaris?"
Well this IS the "Introduce yourself" sub forum, and this thread started 13+ years ago...

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Original_Intent wrote: October 8th, 2019, 3:00 pm
Alaris wrote: October 8th, 2019, 2:06 pm Can I start a thread called, "Alaris?"
Well this IS the "Introduce yourself" sub forum, and this thread started 13+ years ago...
Is that where we are? lol :)

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Original_Intent wrote: October 8th, 2019, 3:00 pm
Alaris wrote: October 8th, 2019, 2:06 pm Can I start a thread called, "Alaris?"
Well this IS the "Introduce yourself" sub forum, and this thread started 13+ years ago...

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I would say yes.

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Alaris wrote: October 8th, 2019, 2:06 pm Can I start a thread called, "Alaris?"
No, because you are not a legendary character and all like lundbaek.

Legendary or mythological.
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A while ago, as I understand, the Governor of Utah and the Mayor of SLC each personally invited the United Nations to hold its recent conference in SLC. Very recently it was alleged by one of my most reliable sources of info on current events that certain "Church leaders" suggested to the governor that he invite President Trump to send more refugees to Utah. I strongly suspect that the First Presidency was very much behind both of those actions. I can only guess the reasons, both intended to help the Church achieve its main mission goals.

Initially, I was very much opposed to the (or any) UN event being held in Utah (or anywhere in the USA for that matter) and I have been vehemently opposed to the bringing of more refugees into any location in the USA. I am no "yes man", but I find myself now doing a re-think of my positions on these things because I still believe it is the latter-day gadiantons and new world order promoters who have been fomenting the flooding of America with refugees and illegal immigrants and the increasing of UN influence in American internal affairs.

I am not suggesting that the First Presidency of the Church ever approved of United States' participation in the UN, nor of the events that fomented the flight of refugees from their homelands to America. I am simply becoming more and more convinced that those "murderous combinations" have, in spite of Moroni's warning, gotten sufficiently above us that the Church, in order to accomplish its main mission, must, for now at least, accept and live with certain of the machinations of the NWO conspiracy.

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lundbaek wrote: November 5th, 2019, 9:20 pm A while ago, as I understand, the Governor of Utah and the Mayor of SLC each personally invited the United Nations to hold its recent conference in SLC. Very recently it was alleged by one of my most reliable sources of info on current events that certain "Church leaders" suggested to the governor that he invite President Trump to send more refugees to Utah. I strongly suspect that the First Presidency was very much behind both of those actions. I can only guess the reasons, both intended to help the Church achieve its main mission goals.

Initially, I was very much opposed to the (or any) UN event being held in Utah (or anywhere in the USA for that matter) and I have been vehemently opposed to the bringing of more refugees into any location in the USA. I am no "yes man", but I find myself now doing a re-think of my positions on these things because I still believe it is the latter-day gadiantons and new world order promoters who have been fomenting the flooding of America with refugees and illegal immigrants and the increasing of UN influence in American internal affairs.

I am not suggesting that the First Presidency of the Church ever approved of United States' participation in the UN, nor of the events that fomented the flight of refugees from their homelands to America. I am simply becoming more and more convinced that those "murderous combinations" have, in spite of Moroni's warning, gotten sufficiently above us that the Church, in order to accomplish its main mission, must, for now at least, accept and live with certain of the machinations of the NWO conspiracy.
Lots of rabbit holes there.

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Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit

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lundbaek wrote: December 7th, 2007, 8:15 pm Every Dec. 7 I get grumpy over the continued discussion by the mainstream media about the Japanese alleged sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. "Day of Infamy"? On whose part? A few little tid bits that I've discovered over the years. ...

about 8 a.m. on December 4th, 1941, at a US Navy shortwave monitoring station in Cheltenham, Maryland, senior radio operator Ralph Briggs received the message he had been waiting for. The words were “East Wind - Rain”. Briggs immediately teletyped the message to Washington. He, alone among the radio operators at Cheltenham, knew what the three words meant. “East Wind, Rain ...
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Aircraft fly into the East Wind to land on runway number nine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runway wrote: wind direction is given as the direction the wind is coming from: a plane taking off from runway 09 faces east, into an "east wind" ...
Nine , but not number. (gbng) 🤫

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I'm occasionally asked my opinion on what's happening in our country and why. And I'm trying to explain as briefly as I can, shortly and sweetly.

For over 100 years the United States has been beset with a carefully and methodically executed conspiracy intent on the overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution and Bill of Rights, believed by many to have been established by the inspiration of God, in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government. For many years communism was believed by most Americans and other Westerners to be the greatest threat to life, liberty, and control of private property. Now, it seems to me that more and more people are realizing that the communist conspiracy was really a branch of a much larger conspiracy, the objective of which includes the destruction of the constitutional republican government of the United States and its replacement by a centralized socialist dictatorship, and then its incorporation into a single, tyrannical, global socialist government. The plan is for this new world order government, complete with a world tax system, a world court, a world central bank with a common currency, a world welfare state, compulsory worldwide economic planning, abolition of private firearms, mandatory population control, and control of education, all designed to serve the interest of the elite rulers.

The United States has been the greatest obstacle to this socialist conquest of the world, and hence it is unthinkable that there would not be a tremendous conspiratorial effort put forth to immobilize and destroy America.

Following is a list of 25 things the Democrats will likely push if Biden is installed as president, according to Mike Adams, Natural News, 1/11/2021. I'm not endorsing this, but I fear many of these things are very feasable.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/25-insan ... elections/

Enforce nationwide mandatory masks and mandatory vaccines, all under fear of arrest.

Declare the Insurrection Act under Biden and weaponize the US military against patriots and Trump supporters by labeling them all “terrorists.”

Run a new slew of false flag operations to further paint Trump supporters as violent insurrectionists. The very same crisis actors used in the Jan. 6th riots are available for more acting gigs, and they already own all the MAGA gear to wear as costumes for CNN’s cameras.

Use forced “covid” lockdowns to further crush the US economy and drive the population onto government subsidies and food stamps, placing most Americans under the control of the regime.

Raise the minimum wage to $23 per hour, across the nation, causing a total collapse of the small business sector and driving tens of millions to unemployment and homelessness.

Tear down the border wall and encourage millions of illegals to swarm into America where they receive voting cards and instructions to vote for Democrats.

Outlaw all AR-15s and semiautomatic rifles, destroy the Second Amendment and confiscate all guns held by private citizens. (That’s about 500 million guns, by the way.)

Ban arm braces, 80% lowers, standard capacity magazines and most ammunition in order to disarm the public and make it easier for the Biden administration to achieve its goal of genocidal extermination of Christians, Whites and Trump supporters.

Crank up the money printing machines and create trillions in new debt to bail out Democrat-run cities and states. This will further destroy the dollar and lead to a financial collapse during which people who still hold dollars as currency will lose everything. (Anyone stupid enough to put their savings into dollars is about to learn a very expensive lesson about fiat currency collapse that has been repeated throughout world history.)

Protect Big Tech and its censorship regime in order to achieve total information dominance over America, snuffing out all independent or dissenting voices by any means necessary, including de-platforming, lawfare, economic warfare or threats of arrest.

Enact new carbon taxes to loot the people for driving cars, buying food or using electricity. Control human behavior through carbon allotments, and punish those who speak out against the new “green tyranny.”

Rejoin the Paris Climate Accord and other anti-America trade agreements that Trump rejected, once again placing America at a punishing disadvantage in trade actions with other nations, accelerating the global looting of America.

Remove all restrictions on China and invite the CCP to continue influencing America’s media, tech giants, stock market and elections, where they already have a strong foothold.

Critical Race Theory will be pushed into all public schools as part of the mass indoctrination of the youth with “official” hatred towards Whites, Christians and conservatives. All White people will be marginalized based solely on the whiteness of their skin, all while Leftists claim to be “tolerant” and “inclusive” as long as you’re a transgender, a Trump hater or a Person Of Color.

Enact government reparations to force White taxpayers to fund new handouts to People Of Color (POC) under the false justification that POC are “victims” and Whites are “oppressors.” (In reality, it’s White, conservative Christians who are now the marginalized victims in America.)

Eliminate $1 trillion in student debt, forcing taxpayers to pay off loans for left-wing university indoctrination training.

The NIH will be funded with tens of billions of dollars to create more biological weapons such as covid-21, covid-22, covid-23, all of which will be released to oppress the people through the same series of scamdemic hoaxes we all endured in 2020.

Launch nationwide arrests of pro-Trump conservatives to be placed into FEMA camps or executed as “traitors” after being labeled insurrectionists. The very same “resistance” that the Left celebrated for four years under Trump will be criminalized and prosecuted under Biden.

Pursue economy-crushing “Green New Deal” policies that will crush America’s economy and lead to mass famine due to the collapse of farming. Starvation is a desired policy of the Left because they want the masses to be completely dependent on government handouts for food, housing and health care.

Install more compromised voting machines across America so that Democrats never lose another election again. The ideal scenario for Democrats is to achieve a state where the votes of real voters no longer matter at all. That was already achieved on November 3rd, 2020.

Use widespread eminent domain laws to seize rural land and drive people into the Agenda 21 cities where they are easier to control and monitor. Use 5G Internet-Of-Things surveillance to track the movements and speech archives of all individuals. Roll out a Total Information Awareness techno-fascist police state under the banner of “security.”

All private health insurance will be outlawed, and healthcare rationing will be put in place, including death panels to decide who lives and who dies. Have no illusions: White people will be deemed to have no value in society whatsoever, so Whites will be killed first.

Purge the entire history of Trump from the internet and the White House archives, seeking to erase and rewrite history in classic Orwellian fashion. Purge all evidence of the election rigging crimes of the Democrats and erase all evidence of vaccine harm or the laboratory origins of the coronavirus.

“Anti-terrorism” laws will be invoked to cut off banking and all financial services to those who express dissent toward the authoritarian Biden regime. Any person flagged by the new social credit scoring system will be denied access to air travel, grocery stores or voting locations, much like is currently done in communist China.

The First Amendment will be nullified by new “hate speech” laws which will be upheld by the traitorous US Supreme Court as “justified” due to “right-wing violence.”

I'd appreciate comments to this. - Lundbaek

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Lundbaek, i appreciate your long term comments in this thread!

like always, the Bolshevik's in charge will fan the flames of the public's emotions when it suits their agenda. they are very astute as to what button to push next.....

i think the health ranger pointed out many of their top social engineering ploys, and they will push the large main stream issues, like Climate Change more so, just like this "pandemic" cause they possess broad scholarly support with such events.....and these type issues are usually "time sensitive", so they leverage more of their persuasion upon these mainly because they have a world-wide impact.....

doesn't mean they drop the others, they just have plenty SJW's & "useful idiots" carrying those causes all the while.....

being a grain farmer, perhaps i overlooked in Mike's points you included above? but, the vast majority in this Country have no idea what's going on with the Nation's food supply.....most don't appreciate the fact that Trump's USDA made NO change, and actually amplified the problems encumbered within this monstrous pigstye of bureaucratic poppycock! the UN Agenda 21 was implemented into the Farm Bill way back in 1996, and has been revamped in an ascending manner each time since the '08 farm bill.......for some reason, the Bush 43 Admin threw a wrench in those cogs and the farm economy saw a rise, like never before experienced? to put it concisely, this Country's food supply is in peril & Biden's Admin will only pour fuel on this dumpster fire........people better get to gardening & storing the staples asap!

there are answers to many of these social constructs they push as u well know, just too much complacency in the US thus far.......the media campaign against any shred of truth is very overwhelming and hard to chip away at, and yes, that trend will continue with the current Admin in charge?

sadly, until many people have demonstrative personal contact/concern......they sit on the fence, or side with the "feel good" majority???

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I suspect that President Russell M. Nelson's recently statement: "Dear friends, the road ahead may be bumpy, but our destination is serene and secure. So, fasten your seatbelt, hang on through the bumps, and do what's right. Your reward will be eternal." was prompted by revelation(s) from God. It prompted me to compile a bunch of what I consider prophetic statements of current concern in scriptures and by latter-day prophets and apostles. They are quite a few in number and quite informative to me. Now, having reviewed them, I note most of them do not include an "IF" clause, and that indicates to me that unpleasant things are going to happen regardless of our efforts to stop them altogether. I do believe, however, that knowing of them enables us minimize their impact on our lives. And maybe, knowing what we have been told, we can "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above us" to the extent that they would if we remained unaware of them and their goals and did nothing about them.

PROPHECY IN THE BOOK OF MORMON OF CURRENT CONCERN

Nephi, Son of Lehi, 1 Nephi 22:13-14
And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood. And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.

Nephi, Son of Lehi, 2 Nephi 26:14 & 22
But behold, I prophesy unto you concerning the last days.....And there are also secret combinations, even as in times of old, according to the combinations of the devil....

Nephi, Son of Helaman, 3 Nephi 16:15
But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through them, and shall tread them down....

Nephi, Son of Helaman, 3 Nephi 20:15
And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—Then shall ye who ae a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them, and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver....And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them that day, and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon the nations of the Gentiles.

Nephi, Son of Helaman, 3 Nephi 21:11-12
Therefore, it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles....they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant. And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Nephi, Son of Helaman, 3 Nephi 21:19-20
And it shall come to pass that all lyings, and deceivings, and envyings, and strifes, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, shall be done away.
For it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that at that day whosoever will not repent and come unto my Beloved Son, them will I cut off from among my people, O house of Israel.

Moroni, Ether 8:23-24
Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.


PROPHECY IN THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS OF CURRENT CONCERN

And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fullness of my gospel; But they receive it not; for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men. And in that generation shall the times of the gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land. (D&C 45:28-31)

That they may bring forth meet for their Father's kingdom; otherwise there remaineth a scourge and judgement to be poured out upon the children of Zion. (D&C 84:58)

Therefore, verily, thus saith the Lord, let Zion rejoice, for this is Zion - THE PURE IN HEART; therefore, let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn. For behold, and lo, vengeance cometh speedily upon the ungodly as the whirlwind; and who shall escape it? The Lord's scourge shall pass over by night and by day, and the report thereof shall vex all people. (D&C 97:21-23)

Behold, vengeance comes speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith he Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me it the midst of my house, saith the Lord. (D&C 112:24-26)

And there shall be weeping and wailing among the hosts of men; and there shall be a great hailstorm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth. (D&C 29:15-16).


PROPHECY IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT OF CURRENT CONCERN

Micah 5: Summary
In the last days the remnant of Jacob shall triumph gloriously over the Gentiles

Micah 5:8
And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep; who, if he go through, both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. (Ref. 3 Nephi 21:17)

Peter, 1 Peter 4:17-18
For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

John, Revelations 8:1
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

John, Revelations 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea.

John, Revelations 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

John, Revelations 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the Saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

John, Revelations 13:10
And he that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.





PROPHECY BY LATTER-DAY PROPHETS AND LATTER-DAY APOSTLES OF CURRENT CONCERN

Elder Ezra Taft Benson, October 1960 General Conference
….there is little doubt that the leaders of Red China view war as inevitable and await only the propitious moment in which to strike

Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1979 General Conference
Be it remembered that tribulations lie ahead. There will be wars in one nation and kingdom after another until war is poured out upon all nations and two hundred million men of war mass their armaments at Armageddon.
There will be earthquakes and floods and famines. The waves of the sea shall heave themselves beyond their bounds, the clouds shall withhold their rain, and the crops of the earth shall wither and die.

There will be plagues and pestilence and disease and death. An overflowing scourge shall cover the earth and a desolating sickness shall sweep the land. Flies shall take hold of the inhabitants of the earth, and maggots shall come in upon them. (See D&C 29:14–20.) “Their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets” (D&C 29:19).

Bands of Gadianton robbers will infest every nation, immorality and murder and crime will increase, and it will seem as though every man’s hand is against his brother.

It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be.

Elder Bruce R. McConkie, April 1980 General Conference
Nor are the days of our greatest sorrows and our deepest sufferings all behind us. They too lie ahead. We shall yet face greater perils, we shall yet be tested with more severe trials, and we shall yet weep more tears of sorrow than we have ever known before.
We see evil forces everywhere uniting to destroy the family, to ridicule morality and decency, to glorify all that is lewd and base. We see wars and plagues and pestilence. Nations rise and fall. Blood and carnage and death are everywhere. Gadianton robbers fill the judgment seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries. Satan reigns in the hearts of men; it is the great day of his power.

Elder Josph Fielding Smith, "Doctrines of Salvation", Vol.3, pp. 314-315:
Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States...it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself.

Elder Boyd K. Packer, 2004, J. Reuben Clark Law School, Brigham Young University
Will the Constitution be destroyed? No. It will be held inviolate by the people; and as Joseph Smith said, ‘the time will come when the destiny of this nation will hang upon a single thread, and at that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction’.

Elder Boyd K. Packer, 16 January 2007 BYU Devotional, and August 2010 Ensign magazine on Page 23.
We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. (Ether 8: 23-24)

President Joseph Smith, May 1843, James Burgess Journal, 1818-1904, Church Archives, vol. 1
The time will come when the constitution and government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the latter-day Saints will step forth to save it.

President Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Pg. 17
And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country.

President Brigham Young, 1 May 1861 Deseret News, Vol. 11, No. 9
I heard Joseph Smith say, nearly thirty years ago, “They shall have mobbing to their hearts’ content, if they do not redress the wrongs of the Latter-day Saints. Mobs will not decrease, but will increase until the whole government becomes a mob, and eventually it will be State against state, city against city, neighborhood against neighborhood.” It will be Christian against Christian, and man against man, and those who will not take up the sword against their neighbors, must flee to Zion.

President David O. McKay, February 1956 Instructor, Pg. 33-34
There are present in our own United States influences, the avowed object which is to sow discord and contention among men with the view of undermining, weakening, if not entirely destroying our Constitutional form of government....There is another danger even more menacing that the threat of invasion of a foreign foe. It is the unpatriotic activities and underhanded scheming of disloyal groups and organizations within our own borders....It is the enemy from within that is so menacing, especially when it threatens to disintegrate our established form of government.

President Ezra Taft Benson, .October 1987 General Conference
We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.

President Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988 General Conference
Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."

President Thomas S. Monson, April 2008 General Conference
We live in a complex world with currents of conflict everywhere to be found. Political machinations ruin the stability of nations, despots grasp for power, and segments of our society seem forever downtrodden, deprived of opportunity, and left with a feeling of failure.

President Russell M. Nelson, President Nelson posted to his Facebook page on 5 August 2020:
Dear friends, the road ahead may be bumpy, but our destination is serene and secure. So, fasten your seatbelt, hang on through the bumps, and do what's right. Your reward will be eternal. In 1831 the Lord made a promise to his Saints. It still applies to each of us today: “Wherefore, be of good cheer, and do not fear, for I the Lord am with you, and will stand by you; and ye shall bear record of me, even Jesus Christ, that I am the Son of the living God, that I was, that I am, and that I am to come” (Doctrine and Covenants 68:6)."

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In a weekly Constitution study class that I am following I have become acquainted with a young man who very recently shared with me the following, which I hope you will appreciate --

"As I began to write these things down in my journal, I thought that they would be just for me and my posterity but after I finished writing them down I felt I needed to share what I wrote with people who might want or need to hear it. So here it goes.

"Starting back in 2016 I was hearing quite a bit of talk about conspiracy theories like “The New World Order” and many other things, and about people that want to rule over the human race and take over the world. For the longest time I laughed at it and payed no attention to it. I thought there was no way there could be people that evil in this world, and I thought there was no way it was even possible.

"Then in 2018 President Russell M. Nelson challenged the women in general conference to read the Book of Mormon before the end of the year and to mark every reference of the Savior.

"I decided I wanted to do that as well and boy am I glad that I decided to take on that challenge. At this point in time I was so thirsty for spiritual knowledge and revelation.

"When I was reading in Ether chapter 8, almost done with The Book of Mormon, verses 22 through the end of that chapter hit me like a rock. They say “And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not. Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be. Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up. For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning. Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.” ( Ether 8:22-26)

"I had to read those verses again and again. I couldn’t believe what I was reading and I couldn’t believe that those verses had never stuck out to me before.

"I then prayed to God for comfort and affirmation to the words, I knew it was true and that I needed to “awaken to a sense of our awful situation”. I then knew that some of these conspiracy theories were true and that secret combinations are being upheld in our nation.

"The spirit directed me to words from the prophet Ezra Taft Benson who warned us many times about the secret combinations, which gave me more confirmation. Here is one quote where he is talking about these same verses.

""But the greatest handbook for freedom in this fight against evil is the Book of Mormon...This most correct book on earth states that the downfall of two great American civilizations came as a result of secret conspiracies whose desire was to overthrow the freedom of the people. 'And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking,' says Moroni, 'and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.' (Ether 8:21.)

""Now undoubtedly Moroni could have pointed out many factors that led to the destruction of the people, but notice how he singled out the secret combinations, just as the Church today could point out many threats to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God's work, but it has singled out the greatest threat as the godless conspiracy. There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon -it is a conspiracy fact.

""Then Moroni speaks to us in this day and says, 'Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you' (Ether 8:24.)

""The Book of Mormon further warns that 'whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold they shall be destroyed. ...' (Ether 8:22.)

""This scripture should alert us to what is ahead unless we repent, because there is no question but that as people of the free world, we are increasingly upholding many of the evils of the adversary today. By court edict godless conspirators can run for government office, teach in our schools, hold office in labor unions, work in our defense plants, serve in our merchant marines, etc. As a nation, we are helping to underwrite many evil revolutionaries in our country." (Ensign, July 1972, "Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints")

"After all of this revelation I was confused about what I am to do with this knowledge.

"PS: I don’t know why I was inspired by the Holy Ghost to write and share this but you can pass it on to anyone with whom you think may benefit from it."

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My awakening happened in the 90s. The Book was Ezra Taft Benson's "An Enemy hath Done This".

Regarding the "what to do?" with this knowledge that the young man asks, all I have been able to figure out in my own life is to strive to learn true and correct principles, try to live them within my own sphere to the best degree possible, support those for office that are most aligned with those principles, and if they are not available run for office yourself. You thus give others a righteous option, and your success or failure is not what matters, it is that you remain true and keep integrity to those principles, do what you can to persuade and educate others,

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Note that at the bottom he wrote, "After all of this revelation I was confused about what I am to do with this knowledge." I'd like to invite you to write a brief reply of your own opinion so I can compile and send them back to him.

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lundbaek wrote: March 7th, 2021, 1:56 pm Note that at the bottom he wrote, "After all of this revelation I was confused about what I am to do with this knowledge." I'd like to invite you to write a brief reply of your own opinion so I can compile and send them back to him.
Was this one of the classes Glenn Beck is doing?

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BeNotDeceived wrote: March 7th, 2021, 2:14 pm
lundbaek wrote: March 7th, 2021, 1:56 pm Note that at the bottom he wrote, "After all of this revelation I was confused about what I am to do with this knowledge." I'd like to invite you to write a brief reply of your own opinion so I can compile and send them back to him.
Was this one of the classes Glenn Beck is doing?
No. It is held in Mesa, Arizona. If interested in joining, please advise.

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lundbaek wrote: March 7th, 2021, 2:20 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote: March 7th, 2021, 2:14 pm
lundbaek wrote: March 7th, 2021, 1:56 pm Note that at the bottom he wrote, "After all of this revelation I was confused about what I am to do with this knowledge." I'd like to invite you to write a brief reply of your own opinion so I can compile and send them back to him.
Was this one of the classes Glenn Beck is doing?
No. It is held in Mesa, Arizona. If interested in joining, please advise.
My summers are wonderful here, in the land of the midnight sun, but I could really need a break next winter, is that an option?

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Over 60 "views" and only 1 reply to my request for suggestions that I can pass along to the writer of the note that I posted on Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:52 am that some of you write a brief reply of your own opinion so I can compile and send them back to him. C'mon, guys.

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I ask this assuming some of you at least have dealt with similar quandaries.

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I was about 14 when John F Kennedy was shot. Since then I knew there was a shadow government. I just didnt know how deep the conspiracy was or who it was. I've been anti-government all my life which has put me at odds with "normal" people. It must have been about seven years ago that I started to study the illuminati. maneco64 on you tube really solidified my conclusions about the central banks, zionists, CFR, BIS, UN, etc. It's been since Trump became president that I've realized how deep the gadiantons are involved. Now China is on the forefront and I wonder how that will play out. China's upturn in their economy and the USA's downturn has been orchestrated by the gads. The Zionists (Rockefellers, Rothchilds, etc) believe that they have the superior race and already rule the world. China believes that they are the superior race and will rule the world. Then I think that the Technocrats believe they will be in charge. Satan is behind all those people and does not care what happens to them as long as they serve his purpose. They have been collaborating together but for how long?

I don't know why I spend so much time thinking about it. It seems like a waste of time, but then perhaps the spirit led me here. No one is interested in my negativity so its not like I can sound the alarm to anyone. I've been motivated to accumulate food storage and survival stuff over the years, so I feel like we are ready for most disasters. I'm trying to draw closer to the spirit for guidance and build up my testimony.

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