Another Basis for New Age/World/Order Religion?

[pritchet1]

David Wilcock http://divinecosmos.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and his "The Source Field Investigations" ends the video with discussing the power of the pineal gland, George Washington ascending to Heaven as a God (Apotheosis of George Washington) and the Mayan Calendar and 2012 (end of 13 cycles).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-klTa1y54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2012 Event Horizon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cEyqT2_ricA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Time is 3-dimensional?

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fv ... C80sE&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ley Lines
(Question: Do our temples sit on any Ley Lines? Becker Hagen's Grid http://www.shrinesandsacredsites.com/worldgrid.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqkZR2PSR4&NR=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Attempts to tie in DNA transformation to 2012 and our "Higher Self"

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... PfuiX3VwYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Universal Consciousness and the Father of the Cosmos

'Wanderer Awakening' Music
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ening&aq=f" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Each song on the album expresses a different part of the soul's journey in it's spiritual awakening.

Uh, okay...

"2112 Enigma Trailer"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHDShO_1 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also references William Henry -
http://williamhenry.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More Religious Rabbit Holes -
http://in5d.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What do you think?

[JohnnyL]

Question: why would this make another basis for a new religion? Why this, instead of something else?
I think it could, but there are so many interesting things out there that could, too.

I think what we will see is a continuation of many religions or even subsets of religions.

I'm figuring the old grove cults will come back, on a huge scale. Maybe that's where Hollywood is leading us to...

[pritchet1]

why would this make another basis for a new religion?

Not new. It just seems that this is more of the same 'Pseudo' of mixing scripture with the philosophies of men.

I'm just seeing between the lines regarding David's approach and an obvious denial of our LDS knowledge of God and the attempt by 'these' folks to replace God with our "inner" selves. And the world seemingly eats up this kind of priestcraft.

The Bilderbergers are a Grove Cult.

For discussions regarding Wilcock and Fulford listen to
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcoc ... 1-9-14.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reference: Kauilapele's Blog to 'Divine Cosmos' Blog - http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/ ... roundbases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JohnnyL]

why would this make another basis for a new religion?

Not new. It just seems that this is more of the same 'Pseudo' of mixing scripture with the philosophies of men.

I'm just seeing between the lines regarding David's approach and an obvious denial of our LDS knowledge of God and the attempt by 'these' folks to replace God with our "inner" selves. And the world seemingly eats up this kind of priestcraft.

The Bilderbergers are a Grove Cult.

For discussions regarding Wilcock and Fulford listen to
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcoc ... 1-9-14.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reference: Kauilapele's Blog to 'Divine Cosmos' Blog - http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/ ... roundbases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, I agree about this minglng.
I have a question, though: do you believe that everyone who isn't LDS is involved with priestcraft? If so, on what basis? If not, does that mean that every new religion--especially one based on things like these--is to lead people astray, especially if the people leading the people believe in these things (unlike, for example, Korihor)?
Re: cults, I'm thinking more Lady Gaga than Bohemian...

[pritchet1]

do you believe that everyone who isn't LDS is involved with priestcraft?

If they collect money (Soliciting) for their services, yes!

does that mean that every new religion--especially one based on things like these--is to lead people astray, especially if the people leading the people believe in these things (unlike, for example, Korihor)?

Yes. Every 'new' religion is intended to lead people astray. The Gospel has been restored in its fullness and we have been promised it will never be taken from the earth again. Everything else is a fraud and part of the "Church of the Devil".

It becomes apparent when the organizations (whether Masons or other groups) deny the divinity of God and worship another being (Allah or Lucifer or 'self'), we know for certain they are not of God, no matter how "good" they may profess to be.

Remember that all gangs started out as community protection activities and then were turned to do other things.

[jcocinero]

This guy spouts truth and lies. I believe what he was trying to describe at the beginning regarding the torsion field and how it spreads from the center of the galaxy as the light of Christ from section 88. He is very much AN anti-christ as he preaches against His return. Hearing that alone turns me off from listening to anything else he says.

[pritchet1]

jconcinero,

Thank you for having your bogus meter turned up on high and for the feedback. I didn't know he (David Wilcock) was preaching against the return of The Christ. So he fits the "profile".

[JohnnyL]

do you believe that everyone who isn't LDS is involved with priestcraft?

If they collect money (Soliciting) for their services, yes!

Wow, you have a very high standard for priestcraft, IMO.
What's the difference between a paid good believing serving devout Catholic priest, and a paid good believing serving devout General Authority--other than one doesn't have the luck, and one does--so becuase of that, one serves Satan, and one serves Jesus?
Do you believe that anyone who isn't a member of the church is of the church of the devil?

does that mean that every new religion--especially one based on things like these--is to lead people astray, especially if the people leading the people believe in these things (unlike, for example, Korihor)?

Yes. Every 'new' religion is intended to lead people astray. The Gospel has been restored in its fullness and we have been promised it will never be taken from the earth again. Everything else is a fraud and part of the "Church of the Devil".

It becomes apparent when the organizations (whether Masons or other groups) deny the divinity of God and worship another being (Allah or Lucifer or 'self'), we know for certain they are not of God, no matter how "good" they may profess to be.

What do you make of this scripture:
Alma 29:8 For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true.

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and this:
2 Nephi 4:5 But behold, my sons and my daughters, I cannot go down to my grave save I should leave a blessing upon you; for behold, I know that if ye are brought up in the way ye should go ye will not depart from it.
6 Wherefore, if ye are cursed, behold, I leave my blessing upon you, that the cursing may be taken from you and be answered upon the heads of your parents.
7 Wherefore, because of my blessing the Lord God will not suffer that ye shall perish; wherefore, he will be merciful unto you and unto your seed forever.

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and this:
1 Nephi 13:29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.

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and this:
Doctrine and Covenants 45:54 And then shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law shall have part in the first resurrection; and it shall be tolerable for them.

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and this:
DC 123:12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it—

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and this, which shows that the church will still be unknown to many years from now:
“Those who will not take up their sword to fight against their neighbor must needs flee to Zion for safety. And they will come, saying, **we do not know anything of the principles of your religion**, but we perceive that you are an honest community; you administer justice and righteousness, and we want to live with you and receive the protection of your laws, but as for your religion we will talk about that some other time. Will we protect such people? Yes, all honorable men. When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the Elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men, and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations. This is part of the programme, and as long as we do what is right and fear God he will help us and stand by us under all circumstances.” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Jan. 1880, 28:818; see also D&C 45:68–69.)
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and the letter from the First Presidency regarding other religions (and more, from http://lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a- ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ):

What is the relationship of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to the non-Christian religions of the world?

R. Lanier Britsch, vice-president for academics, Brigham Young University—Hawaii Campus. In 1975, I received a letter from a young man who was investigating the Church. He was involved with a popular Hindu group in America and felt that he had found considerable truth in Hinduism. He told me that he was having trouble gaining a testimony of the restored gospel because of the problem of “diluted truth.”

In answer, I wrote, “By ‘diluted truth,’ I suppose you mean that it seems strange to you that elements of truth can be found in more than one church or religious movement. … Why, then, if [the Latter-day Saints] claim to have the only true church, is it so easy to see that other religious movements also have truth in them?”

Continuing, I wrote, “We should never be surprised to find truth anywhere. … The Light of Christ is in and upon all men, and all men who are honest have the right to enjoy the rewards of their goodness.”

I quoted Doctrine and Covenants 130:20–21: “There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

“And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.”

I then told him that “if anyone obeys any eternal principle he will automatically reap the reward for living that law. God will give any and all men his or their reward.” We as Latter-day Saints do indeed believe that there is truth in many religions and philosophies. Many good and great religious leaders have walked the earth. Through their teachings, they have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people.

When we speak of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the only true church, we mean that it is the only organization authorized to administer the ordinances of salvation. We mean that it is the only organization led by Jesus Christ, through the earthly ministries of prophets and Apostles. Although the Church teaches the true doctrines of salvation, we do not mean that it is the only teacher of truth.

Ever since the early days of the Church, various General Authorities have expressed the Church’s position toward non-Christian religions: we should not only be tolerant of their beliefs, but we should also respect them. On 15 February 1978, for example, the First Presidency, consisting of President Spencer W. Kimball and his counselors, President Marion G. Romney and President N. Eldon Tanner, issued an official statement regarding the Church’s position toward other religions. The statement reads:

“Based upon ancient and modern revelation, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from mortal progenitors, but also as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.

“The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.

“The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, who should provide salvation for all mankind who believe in the gospel.

“Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all people sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.

“We also declare that the gospel of Jesus Christ, restored to his Church in our day, provides the only way to a mortal life of happiness and a fullness of joy forever. For those who have not received this gospel, the opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life.

“Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are the sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.”

This statement declares that (1) all human beings are children of God and therefore brothers and sisters, (2) the only way to obtain a fulness of joy is through the gospel as restored to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (3) everyone will have the opportunity to accept the gospel, if not in mortality, then in the life to come, and (4) “great religious leaders of the world” (those specifically listed in the statement, as well as many others), have received “a portion of God’s light.” Certainly, Mohammed raised the religious consciousness and ethical awareness of his nation as well as that of many beyond its borders. Confucius gave the people of East Asia a higher ethical standard than existed throughout most of the world.

Of course, there is much in other religions that we cannot accept or condone. In them, truths are frequently found side by side with superstition, sorcery, and error. Within many religions, one may find ethics, doctrines, or beliefs that are clearly of worth and that contain eternal truths. At the same time, one may find incorrect doctrines and possibly even practices inspired by the powers of darkness. The phrase “buyer beware” is certainly appropriate in the study of religions.

Simply put, the world is better because good people of all races, nations, kindreds, and tongues have recognized truth and appropriate ways of living and have endeavored to share those truths. Those truths, in turn, have helped to prepare the way for the restored gospel. With regard, then, to the religions of the world—Christian or not—we as Latter-day Saints need to cultivate an attitude of friendship and goodwill toward all people of all religions. “Our message,” as the First Presidency stated, “is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women.”

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and this, from Professor Peterson:

"If it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a 'Mormon,' I am bold to declare before heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves."

Brother Peterson further quoted this from Joseph Smith: "When we see virtuous qualities in men, we should always acknowledge them, let their understanding be what it may in relation to creeds and doctrine; for all men are, or ought to be free, possessing inalienable rights ... to think and act, and say as they please, while they maintain a due respect to the rights and privileges of all other creatures, infringing upon none."

"What I wish to demonstrate, however, more than Joseph Smith's commitment to religious tolerance (which might have been expected of any reasonably ethical American in his day), is the positive appreciation of other faiths that he and his successors have encouraged," Brother Peterson said.

From Joseph Smith, he quoted this statement: "The Lord deals with this people as a tender parent with a child, communicating light and intelligence and the knowledge of his ways as they can bear it."

Brother Peterson spoke of some later Church leaders who showed religious tolerance and friendship to those of other faiths. He cited the Feb. 15, 1978, declaration of the First Presidency under President Spencer W. Kimball which affirmed in part, "The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato and others received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals."

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Remember that all gangs started out as community protection activities and then were turned to do other things.

Does that include the GR?

[pritchet1]

Wow, you have a very high standard for priestcraft, IMO.
What's the difference between a paid good believing serving devout Catholic priest, and a paid good believing serving devout General Authority--other than one doesn't have the luck, and one does--so becuase of that, one serves Satan, and one serves Jesus?
Do you believe that anyone who isn't a member of the church is of the church of the devil?

Yes, the Lord does have a very high standard by which to live by.

I'm not concerned about those who are members of those organizations. They can repent and get baptized by proper authority. Many have done so and many are now doing so. Devils can repent too.

Before I can become an LDS Mission President, I have to have my house paid for and all of my finances in order. I assume it isn't any different for General Authorities.

And I don't see any of the GAs acting as panhandlers begging for passing the plate, so they can live off of me.

[JohnnyL]

Wow, you have a very high standard for priestcraft, IMO.
What's the difference between a paid good believing serving devout Catholic priest, and a paid good believing serving devout General Authority--other than one doesn't have the luck, and one does--so becuase of that, one serves Satan, and one serves Jesus?
Do you believe that anyone who isn't a member of the church is of the church of the devil?

Yes, the Lord does have a very high standard by which to live by.

I'm not concerned about those who are members of those organizations. They can repent and get baptized by proper authority. Many have done so and many are now doing so. Devils can repent too.

Before I can become an LDS Mission President, I have to have my house paid for and all of my finances in order. I assume it isn't any different for General Authorities. And I don't see any of the GAs acting as panhandlers begging for passing the plate, so they can live off of me.

Please, any reference about that being the Lord's standard?

I'm not really sure where you're going with this post. "I'm not concerned..." "Devils can repent"?

The GA's don't need to pass the plate, because it's done through tithing--a donation is a donation, right? And I know that most ministers do much more than most callings in the church, other than GA's.
Or are you saying that no other religious leaders, other than LDS, are capable or had opportunities to work other than to "perform priestcraft"?

Do you believe that only members of other religions are included in all those scriptures and teachings I gave, but not the leaders?

Ahh, it seems we have different opinions on these matters.

[pritchet1]

Look, isn't it obvious I am not taking the bait? The purpose of this thread is to discover those who are taking away our religious freedoms by professing they know something we do not.

We seek a more excellent way.

If you want the Lords' Standard, read the Book of Mormon again. It shows what the Lord's Standard is regarding Priestcrafts. We also need to recognize elements of the New Age Religion and keep it from creeping into 'Mormon' Doctrine and our learning experiences within the Restored Gospel.

Reference also the "philosophies of men mingled with scripture" and attend the temple often to clear your mind.

[JohnnyL]

Look, isn't it obvious I am not taking the bait? The purpose of this thread is to discover those who are taking away our religious freedoms by professing they know something we do not.

We seek a more excellent way.

If you want the Lords' Standard, read the Book of Mormon again. It shows what the Lord's Standard is regarding Priestcrafts. We also need to recognize elements of the New Age Religion and keep it from creeping into 'Mormon' Doctrine and our learning experiences within the Restored Gospel.

Reference also the "philosophies of men mingled with scripture" and attend the temple often to clear your mind.

Follow the prophets. (I even included a few words of theirs two posts ago...)
And remember, how you judge others is how you will be judged. That's a nice scripture that makes us feel so good when we just KNOW we're right, huh?
P.S. Many people out there DO know much more than most all LDS regarding some things.

[pritchet1]

What's a GR?