The LORD is against Christmas Trees in the BIBLE

[7cylon7]

WOW I just found this today.

Jeremiah 10 (They were sun worshiping and they used the tree to put gold and silver suns on the tree.)

1Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the aheathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the acustoms of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

The reason why we are allowed to do trees now is because most people think of Christ when they do it. I can tell you that after the return of Christ Christmas will not be a holiday. Trees will not be brought into our homes as the pagans do.

I only bring this up because I just found this today.

[Col. Flagg]

Interesting find Cylon. I've always wondered how and why trees factored into Christmas and why we decorate it all up - it's just one of those customs you're used to doing every year since you were a child and think nothing of figuring that there has to be some kind of symbolism behind it, but maybe not? :-\

[creator]

Unfortunately my wife didn't think those scriptures were a good enough reason not to put up a Christmas Tree last year. I don't participate in such Pagan traditions.

[TheProfessor]

Umm... I didn't think Santa stopped at houses where there wasn't a Christmas tree?

[minuet1]

From my memory I believe that "groves" referred to a collection of man-made idols of wood, stone, precious metals, etc. could not the word "forest" in someway refer to the above? I'm hanging onto the thought that the church has many decorated Christmas trees in their annual Christmas message devotional

[shadow]

Christmas trees are just fine unless you worship it or worship the decorations on it. Lets not foget that there are a few trees used in the scriptures that are good. It comes down to what it represents to you.

[caddis]

Christmas trees are just fine unless you worship it or worship the decorations on it. Lets not foget that there are a few trees used in the scriptures that are good. It comes down to what it represents to you.

+1

[Original_Intent]

I have tried to steer our family as far from the "Santa" aspect of Christmas as possible, but that was one of the few areas my wife an I disagreed on. She thought that the kids would really miss out on something growing up if we didn't do the Santa Claus myth. And I realize that even Santa has his good aspects (I loved the Father Christmas in "The Chronicles of Narnia) and I think we have done an "OK" job of keeping Christ as the main focus.

[John Locke]

The reason why we are allowed to do trees now is because most people think of Christ when they do it. I can tell you that after the return of Christ Christmas will not be a holiday. Trees will not be brought into our homes as the pagans do.

Ya keep that pesky tree of life out of my house!

Funny how "Trees" are welcome in the celestial room but not in Cylon's house no no no! Its too "pagan" for him lol

As for your assumption about Christmas trees being a continuation of the Sun God worshiping tradition, sadly you are very wrong. Evergreens were used to symbolize the triumph of life over death in Egyptian culture, holy and mistletoe were used to represent eternal life. Germans and Scandinavians placed evergreen trees inside their homes or just outside their doors to show their hope in the forthcoming spring (aka resurrection of life). Our modern Christmas tree evolved from these early traditions. Not from sun God worshipers...Notice how all these traditions though they may not have been 100% correct all point to Christ? Legend has it Martin Luther is the father of the modern day Christmas tree (if your not sure where church leaders stand on this great man I can provide plenty of quotes of how great of a man he was) But your right we should all hate the tree that represents Christ because some obscure bible passage makes it sound like a Christmas tree.....Ban the tree! Oh wait that was done once already. The Puritans banned Christmas in New England. Even as late as 1851, a Cleveland minister nearly lost his job because he allowed a tree in his church. Schools in Boston stayed open on Christmas Day through 1870, and sometimes expelled students who stayed home. Guess what God has to say about these churches and their practices? "They were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me[Joseph Smith] said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof."

Cylon I know this probably is pretty harsh, but you tried to tell me once that my avatar is a satanic symbol, you constantly claim symbols mean or steam from places they do not, this will hopefully encourage you to check your facts before you go making wild claims about ancient symbols, and accusing people unnecessarily.

[ChelC]

My sister in law told me yesterday that her daughter's Sunday school teacher berated her for wearing a peace symbol... the whole broken cross junk.

I'm sick of this bull. You know what it meant to my niece? It meant peace to her. No one had perverted it in her mind until that woman did.

A Christmas tree will always be in my home because it represents Christ. That's what it reminds my family of. Candy canes remind us of the shepherd's crooks, and the jolly fat dude reminds us of the spirit of charity.

YOU may choose to see all of our devotions as pagan tradition, but I guess that doesn't matter very much, does it?

I think the Christmas tree is a beautiful tradition and the Spirit has never made me feel otherwise.

[creator]

... the whole broken cross junk. I'm sick of this bull. You know what it meant to my niece? It meant peace to her. No one had perverted it in her mind until that woman did... A Christmas tree will always be in my home because it represents Christ. That's what it reminds my family of. Candy canes remind us of the shepherd's crooks, and the jolly fat dude reminds us of the spirit of charity... YOU may choose to see all of our devotions as pagan tradition, but I guess that doesn't matter very much, does it?

Yes, symbols are what we make of them.... and it seems most symbols are used by God and Satan in one way or another, so it really depends on what meaning we choose to apply to the symbol, whether it's God's, Satan's or our own.

Like I said I personally would prefer not to have a Christmas Tree, but my wife and kids like it, so I don't put up a stink about it and let them do as they wish.

[John Locke]

My sister in law told me yesterday that her daughter's Sunday school teacher berated her for wearing a peace symbol... the whole broken cross junk.

I'm sick of this bull. You know what it meant to my niece? It meant peace to her. No one had perverted it in her mind until that woman did.

A Christmas tree will always be in my home because it represents Christ. That's what it reminds my family of. Candy canes remind us of the shepherd's crooks, and the jolly fat dude reminds us of the spirit of charity.

YOU may choose to see all of our devotions as pagan tradition, but I guess that doesn't matter very much, does it?

I think the Christmas tree is a beautiful tradition and the Spirit has never made me feel otherwise.

ugh that peace symbol thing pisses me off. I did a huge workup on that. absolute garbage some of the claims about the peace symbol....

[creator]

ugh that peace symbol thing pisses me off. I did a huge workup on that. absolute garbage some of the claims about the peace symbol....

"Have we, as Moroni warned, “polluted the holy church of God?” (Morm. 8:38.) The auxiliaries of the Church are to be a help, not a hindrance, to parents and the priesthood as they strive to lead their families back to God. Do any of us wear or display the broken cross, anti-Christ sign, that is the adversary’s symbol of the so-called “peace movement”?" (Ezra Taft Benson, October 1970 General Conference)

Just sayin'

[John Locke]

"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it."

"The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." -Joseph Fielding Smith

Just sayin'

[EmmaLee]

Yes, symbols are what we make of them.... and it seems most symbols are used by God and Satan in one way or another, so it really depends on what meaning we choose to apply to the symbol, whether it's God's, Satan's or our own.

Exactly right - what matters is the intent and what is in our hearts FAR more than any actual "thing" or symbol. We read in the scriptures that groves of trees have been used as places to perform evil acts by evil people. A grove of trees is also where our Heavenly Father and his son, Jesus Christ, revealed themselves to the prophet, Joseph.

I was in the Nauvoo Temple yesterday attending a friend's wedding/sealing. While waiting in the marriage waiting room on the 4th floor, I gazed out the window - the window having a huge pentagram shape in stained glass (same shape in many of the temple's windows). The pentagram is the main symbol used by Wiccans (much like the cross for Christians; Star of David for Jews, etc...). I'm sure many non-members assume we perform witchcraft inside the temple because of the symbols on the outside. A symbol, shape, thing, etc... only has meaning when we attach meaning to it.

[Nan]

The groves of trees mentioned in the old testament were awful because of what went on in those groves. Which was lots of sex. And people watching other people have sex. So go ahead, ban the tree, but let the porn in. (sorry, being incredibly sarcastic.)




Porn statement not pointed at anyone in particular, just the way we people are so blind sometimes.

[bobhenstra]

I don't think Christmas trees should be in the Bible, on the floor is OK! Since my Wife passed away I haven't had a Christmas tree in my home. That was her thing, and it was fine with me!

Bob

[gardengirl]

I normally do not post, as I have not wanted to get blasted by some who have been on this site. But I do want to make a comment on this thread.
I came across this passage of scripture a couple of years ago and felt the spirit so strongly that this is what I needed to live by. So I brought the subject up with my husband and we held a family counsel on the idea of not having a Christmas tree or that kind of garb. Already, we had done away with Santa, and reindeer and other wordly ideas, so this was not a big step for our family. Everyone was in agreement with doing away with the tree, and so we came up with a plan on how we would decorate our home to reflect our love of the Savior.

We have our "centerpiece" (where the tree would have been) be a nativity scene, all beautifully laid out with lights and angel hair. We use white lights to decorate some posts that are in the room and really we put up alot of white lights. It feels very good, pure and almost celestial. Our children (the ones left at home are in their mid-teens)do not miss the tree, and comment over and over how much they love this new feeling of Christmas. When our grandchildren first came over and saw no tree, but the nativity as the centerpiece in the room, they quietly sat down around the nativity and rearranged the pieces, and spoke softly of how much they loved baby Jesus. The experience has been very positive and so incredible.

This might not be for everyone yet, that's not for me to decide, but for you. I would suggest asking Heavenly Father to help you see the false traditions in your own lives and family and make adjustments to be rid of them and on to greater blessings that only He has for you. I would recommend to anyone to try a Christmas without the tree, replacing it with a more Christ filled theme.

I sincerely hope I have offended no one, I just wanted to share my testimony about this scripture and testify that the spirit of Christ will be MORE in your home as you celebrate without the trappings (for indeed, they are trappings).

[JohnnyL]

Gardengirl,

Very nice, thanks for sharing.
Christmas trees and lots of traditions around them are wonderful.
We just got our two fake Christmas trees stolen; maybe we'll invest in something different this time!


7cyclon7,
No, the Lord is NOT against Christmas trees in the Bible. How did you conclude that those are Christmas trees?


Groves didn't just have to do with sex, though that was often a part of it/ fertility cults. It was idolatry, and sometimes more--some Gnostics used aborted fetuses in their worship food offerings--maybe they got it from earlier?

[7cylon7]

"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it."

"The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." -Joseph Fielding Smith

Just sayin'

By the way it has not been proven that man did set foot on the moon. The radiation alone would of killed them within hours of being exposed that is why the earth has this thing called the magnetosphere. The super thin space ship shielding was in no way anything close to adequate to protect human life from direct radiation from the sun and they were exposed for days and weeks at a time. Also, why have we not returned to the moon. What we learned all their is to learn about the moon? It's because we will find out that there never was man there in the first place. But this is an entirely different subject.

It is so true what they say the BIGGER the lie the easier it is for the lemmings to believe it.

You won't even believe a prophet about the so called peace symbol when in fact it is the broken upside down cross. It is a satanic symbol. It is my feeling that all those people that will not give up the heathen traditions will not make into NJ. Only those who are willing to let go of BABYLON.

You don't know history and so you just do what everyone else does. You don't know the true meaning of these thing because they have been obscured by time and traditions. But there are those who are experts in these fields and give testimony of the truth of it yet you are so hard hearted that you will not listen.

It is a very hard thing to let go of heathen traditions that we have seen for all our lives.

You think the POPE is a good man trying to server the LORD too?

[creator]

"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it."
"The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." -Joseph Fielding Smith
Just sayin'

Majority on this forum believe Joseph Fielding Smith was right... http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just sayin'

[John Locke]

"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it."
"The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." -Joseph Fielding Smith
Just sayin'

Majority on this forum believe Joseph Fielding Smith was right... http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just sayin'

Majority on this forum also believe the US government somehow causes earthquakes...

Just sayin'

[Jason]

"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it."
"The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." -Joseph Fielding Smith
Just sayin'

Majority on this forum believe Joseph Fielding Smith was right... http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just sayin'

Majority on this forum also believe the US government somehow causes earthquakes...

Just sayin'

Any proof??

[7cylon7]

I normally do not post, as I have not wanted to get blasted by some who have been on this site. But I do want to make a comment on this thread.
I came across this passage of scripture a couple of years ago and felt the spirit so strongly that this is what I needed to live by. So I brought the subject up with my husband and we held a family counsel on the idea of not having a Christmas tree or that kind of garb. Already, we had done away with Santa, and reindeer and other wordly ideas, so this was not a big step for our family. Everyone was in agreement with doing away with the tree, and so we came up with a plan on how we would decorate our home to reflect our love of the Savior.

We have our "centerpiece" (where the tree would have been) be a nativity scene, all beautifully laid out with lights and angel hair. We use white lights to decorate some posts that are in the room and really we put up alot of white lights. It feels very good, pure and almost celestial. Our children (the ones left at home are in their mid-teens)do not miss the tree, and comment over and over how much they love this new feeling of Christmas. When our grandchildren first came over and saw no tree, but the nativity as the centerpiece in the room, they quietly sat down around the nativity and rearranged the pieces, and spoke softly of how much they loved baby Jesus. The experience has been very positive and so incredible.

This might not be for everyone yet, that's not for me to decide, but for you. I would suggest asking Heavenly Father to help you see the false traditions in your own lives and family and make adjustments to be rid of them and on to greater blessings that only He has for you. I would recommend to anyone to try a Christmas without the tree, replacing it with a more Christ filled theme.

I sincerely hope I have offended no one, I just wanted to share my testimony about this scripture and testify that the spirit of Christ will be MORE in your home as you celebrate without the trappings (for indeed, they are trappings).

WOW!!! Thank you for sharing this. This is what I want to do but my wife spent so much on the tree and lights that she makes me put it up. It looks awesome for sure.

[John Locke]

and btw your wrong I just voted and now the majority think otherwise