Where is heaven?

[NoGreaterLove]

Where is heaven? Let's take a look at God's definition of heaven as it pertains to our earth.

Abraham 4:
1And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
6And the Gods also said: Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters from the waters.
7And the Gods ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered.
8And the Gods called the expanse, Heaven. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning that they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and this was the second time that they called night and day.
9And the Gods ordered, saying: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the earth come up dry; and it was so as they ordered;
10And the Gods pronounced the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, pronounced they, Great Waters; and the Gods saw that they were obeyed.

So we have four items here.
1. Clouds or water above the earth
2. Heaven which is below the clouds, but above the earth
3. Earth the place where the dry land appeared when the lower waters were gathered together in one place.
4. Great waters which is the gathering together of the lower waters into one place.

So where is heaven? Between the waters (Clouds) and the earth and great waters (seas).
Now take another look at Revelations and apply what we have learned.
• Revelation 11:12
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
• Revelation 21:1
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
• Revelation 5:3
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
• Revelation 13:6
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
• Revelation 13:13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
• Revelation 15:5
5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
• Revelation 19:14
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
• Revelation 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
• Revelation 6:13
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
• Revelation 6:14
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
• Revelation 10:5
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
• Revelation 8:1
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
• Revelation 12:3
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
• Revelation 12:7
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
• Revelation 12:8
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
• Revelation 14:2
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
• Revelation 14:17
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
• Revelation 16:11
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
• Revelation 20:1
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
• Revelation 18:5
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
• Revelation 18:20
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
• Revelation 11:6
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
• Revelation 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
• Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
• Revelation 9:1
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
• Revelation 15:1
1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
• Revelation 21:2
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
• Revelation 21:10
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
• Revelation 19:1
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
• Revelation 19:11
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
• Revelation 19:17
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
• Revelation 10:1
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
• Revelation 10:4
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
• Revelation 10:6
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
• Revelation 10:8
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
• Revelation 8:10
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
• Revelation 12:1
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
• Revelation 12:12
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
• Revelation 14:6
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
• Revelation 16:17
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
• Revelation 16:21
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
• Revelation 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Revelation 20:11
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
• Revelation 18:1
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
• Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
• Revelation 3:12
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
• Revelation 5:13
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
• Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
• Revelation 21:3
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
• Revelation 4:1
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
• Revelation 8:13
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
• Revelation 12:4
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
• Revelation 12:10
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
• Revelation 14:7
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
• Revelation 14:13
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[NoGreaterLove]

Carlos will have a field day with this one. (

[NoGreaterLove]

D&C 129
1There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—

2For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

[NoGreaterLove]

I am in no way saying this is the only Heaven that exists. But I am trying to open our minds to the fact that Heaven is also here on earth.

[SpeedRacer]

NGL, great post. I will wholeheartedly agree with you on this. It is section 130:5 speaking about belonging, and verse 9 in conjunction with 3Nephi 12:5 that say to me this earth is where all being born here belong. We know when we die the spirit world is here, and these verses say the Celestial Kingdom is here. As for the other kingdoms, I cannot be sure, but they could exist on anther plane/dimension, but as the church does not preach it, I don't think it matters. What does matter is all the righteous are born here, live in spirit paradise here, and inherit Celestial Glory here.

As for the residence of the Father in his heaven, follow the pattern and it would suggest that he resides on the planet where he was born, then that planet was taken out of a mortal, veiled portion of the universe, back into a celestial orbit where celestial worlds reside. Sorry if this got out of line too fast. That is how I see it.

[mes5464]

I think we are in agreement, that there are different heavens being talked about here.

heaven: the atmosphere between the earth and outer space.
heaven: that portion of the spirit world called paradise.
Heaven: the celestial orb upon which Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ currently reside.

[InfoWarrior82]

Or... where is Kolob? And why are Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ there right now? Did we live there as spirits? If we did, why do we have to move from celestial Kolob to (eventual) celestial Earth?

[iamse7en]

Do pre-mortal spirits live on a spirit earth near the Father, or live on his resurrected planet (sun) in everlasting burnings? For some reason, I always over-simplify it and apply rigid rules such as, resurrected beings live on resurrected planets, mortals live on mortal (fallen) planets (not yet resurrected), and spirits live on spirit planets (not yet embodied). The thought of being born and growing up on our Father's very planet in everlasting burnings surely sounds better, but can spirits live on resurrected planets?

In my mind, I also presume we did not live on the spirit realm of this earth, that seems designated as the post-mortal spirit world, as BY taught. I yearn to know more about our pre-mortal life, what it was like, and where it exactly was. So little is revealed...

[Kingdom of ZION]

D&C 129
1There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

KoZ: Resurrected glorified Beings: Gods, their wives, and women servants.

3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

KoZ: Fourth Estate Beings!

[jcocinero]

This post might be dead already, but I thought since I had some input I'd give it. Moses 1:37 states there are many heavens.

And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.

That seems to corroborate what mes5464 said. Also, to add to that, I believe that any place that holds saved beings (those who have been baptized and accept Christ) would be in a type of heaven as well. Those who make it to the Terrestrial or Telestial realm would be living in a heaven as well. As God states here, there are innumerable heavens. I just read that the other day and it stuck with me. Just my thought.

[Kingdom of ZION]

Moses 1:37 states there are many heavens.

And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.

That seems to corroborate what mes5464 said. Also, to add to that, I believe that any place that holds saved beings (those who have been baptized and accept Christ) would be in a type of heaven as well. Those who make it to the Terrestrial or Telestial realm would be living in a heaven as well. As God states here, there are innumerable heavens. I just read that the other day and it stuck with me. Just my thought.

Amon! The Millennial world will be and is heaven to most people who go there.

[LukeAir2008]

NGL, great post. I will wholeheartedly agree with you on this. It is section 130:5 speaking about belonging, and verse 9 in conjunction with 3Nephi 12:5 that say to me this earth is where all being born here belong. We know when we die the spirit world is here, and these verses say the Celestial Kingdom is here. As for the other kingdoms, I cannot be sure, but they could exist on anther plane/dimension, but as the church does not preach it, I don't think it matters. What does matter is all the righteous are born here, live in spirit paradise here, and inherit Celestial Glory here.

As for the residence of the Father in his heaven, follow the pattern and it would suggest that he resides on the planet where he was born, then that planet was taken out of a mortal, veiled portion of the universe, back into a celestial orbit where celestial worlds reside. Sorry if this got out of line too fast. That is how I see it.

Wow, SpeedRacer, it sounds like you're starting to believe in the teachings of the early Prophets!!