Holy Ghost: Good Feeling OR Intelligence, Light and Truth?

[Original_Intent]

What if we are being prompted NOT to do something? It seems like a warm fuzzy would not be a really good way for the HG to get our attention.

I am not talking about something evil, necessarily, but I am saying a warning of danger, for instance.

I had an experience on my mission - my companion and I were tracting in Japan. As we were tracting we came to a street that we had planned to tract and I got the distinct feeling that if we tracted that street we would both be killed. It wasn't exactly a fearful feeling but it was unmistakable. However, I asked my companion how he felt, and he said he strongly felt we were not to go down that street. He was white as a sheet and in a cold sweat. He said he felt like we needed to return to the apartment - we did and he was quite ill for the next couple of days. I did not get ill, but I did feel shaken by the experience.

I had pretty much forgotten about that incident, but this discussion reminded me of it...I have no question that it was a true prompting, although I suppose there could be a nitpick whether the feeling came from the HG, or if we were just in tune enough to detect the ill intent and danger. I felt like it was the HG or possibly a guardian angel sent to warn us. Again the feeling (at least for me) was not one of fear - it was a matter of fact "statement" that if we went down that street we would be killed. And it did not have the feel of an accident, it seemed there was intent to do us harm (that was my impression.)

[Samuel the Lamanite]

OI: I would expect it came from the Holy Ghost.. When you are in full time service to God as you were, God will cause you to have many such spurts of knowledge. The more you act upon these spurts, the more you will get and the more you recognize them coming from the HG

[Rand]

What if we are being prompted NOT to do something? It seems like a warm fuzzy would not be a really good way for the HG to get our attention.

I am not talking about something evil, necessarily, but I am saying a warning of danger, for instance.

I had an experience on my mission - my companion and I were tracting in Japan. As we were tracting we came to a street that we had planned to tract and I got the distinct feeling that if we tracted that street we would both be killed. It wasn't exactly a fearful feeling but it was unmistakable. However, I asked my companion how he felt, and he said he strongly felt we were not to go down that street. He was white as a sheet and in a cold sweat. He said he felt like we needed to return to the apartment - we did and he was quite ill for the next couple of days. I did not get ill, but I did feel shaken by the experience.

I had pretty much forgotten about that incident, but this discussion reminded me of it...I have no question that it was a true prompting, although I suppose there could be a nitpick whether the feeling came from the HG, or if we were just in tune enough to detect the ill intent and danger. I felt like it was the HG or possibly a guardian angel sent to warn us. Again the feeling (at least for me) was not one of fear - it was a matter of fact "statement" that if we went down that street we would be killed. And it did not have the feel of an accident, it seemed there was intent to do us harm (that was my impression.)

OI, I think you answer your own thought with your experience. Elder Busche in his marvellous talk to BYU, (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ ... &FORM=LKVR" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) says that if something is wrong, the Spirit will bring questions, but never doubts. I would suggest it will bring peace, but never confusion. It is those times we make ourselves worrying that it is not of the Spirit. From my experience, the illness over the next few days with your companion was more the fear of the potential experience than from the actual prompting of the Spirit, look at Alma and Amulek in Alma 14: 10And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the apower of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.

11But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in aglory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the bjudgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the cblood of the dinnocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

12Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also.

13And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.

Alma just does not sound distraught, and he is the one who feels the influence of the spirit, while it seems Amulek, whom I adore, is the one who is afraid he will get tossed into the fire next. He is not under the influence of the spirit as I read it and learn from the spirit about it.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Rand: what great examples to show truly how the fruits of the spirit listed in Galatians 5 work. If a feeling is NOT in that list, it is more likely a self created internal feeeling or one planted by Satan.

[Like]

I love this topic so much. It is after all one of the most important I have found. Learning to recognize the holy ghost and how it speaks to us is one of the most important things we have to learn in this life that helps us to return to the Father. And I have had many different kinds of experiences with communications. Some with the Holy Ghost. Some of which I believe came from Angels when I heard audible sounds or voices for brief moments and sometimes through dreams. But I am realizing there are lots of different ways we are communicated with on a regular basis and may even over look it if not practiced in noticing these things. I love the quote where he talks about pure intelligence or strokes of ideas being fulfilled. That has happened to me quite a few times. Once would be a few weeks ago when I was working on food storage. Then I started to think about a cousin of mine who I have talked a lot about food storage with and have encouraged her to get some. She's really receptive to all things Gospel oriented lately which is really exciting. Id love fore more people in my family to be converted. Anyway, I was thinking about her and I suddenly decided that I needed to have some food storage items shipped to her to start off her food storage because then she would be inspired to keep going and do more...then it occurred to me that she is not the type of person that would be comfortable with me just shipping her stuff like that for no reason so I thought oh no...I dont want to make her uncomfortable. But then the thought came that I should send her some and tell her that its for her birthday. That same day I decided I would call her and find out when her birthday was. I have a lot of cousins and dont know all their birthdays. Well later I called her and totally forgot about asking about her birthday but during our conversation she just happened to casually mention that, that it was her birthday that day. LOL. I was like really? Today is your birthday? haha. I have since sent her the stuff and she was really happy about it and has started to get some more things to add to it.

I posted this in the A Model of Mormon Spiritual Experience thread:

Appendix A: Answers to Prayer in LDS Scripture


Here are scriptures describing answer to prayer through the Spirit. Contexts usually refer to study, pondering, inquiry, musing, fasting, and reflecting on the subject of the prayer before and during the experience described or promised. You should study the scriptures in context. These verses should spur introspection in assessing personal experience, and in considering the claims of others. (Even skeptics should define what they do not believe in.) They are also a strong test for the claims of Joseph Smith. Consider them in light of my model and note how well they all hang together. The Spirit is a promised witness to the obedient (Acts 5:32; John 7:17, 8:31–32).


Answer to Prayer Emphasizing Thinking

1. Guides to truth (that is, to what is real; Jacob 4:13; John 16:13; Ephesians 5:9–10).


2. Brings Christ‘s words to remembrance (John 14:26).


3. Eyes of understanding opened, that ye may know (Ephesians 1:16–19). ―We began to have the scriptures laid open to our understandings, and the true meaning and intention . . . revealed to us in a manner we never could attain to previously, nor ever before thought of.‖ (Joseph Smith–History 1:74)


4. ―It is calm and serene; . . . a person may profit by noticing the first intimation of the spirit of revelation: for instance when you feel pure intelligence flowing into you, it may give you sudden strokes of ideas.


5. Expands your mind (Alma 32:34).



6. Is this not real? What is true is discernible. ―Whatsoever makes manifest is light—truth is things as they really are (Alma 32:35; Jacob 4:13; Ephesians 5:13; D&C 52:14–19) ―A pattern in all things‖ (D&C 52:14).

7. Persuades to believe in Christ (Moroni 7:17).



8. Judge righteously (D&C 11:12; Matthew 7; Luke 11:35).



9. Enlightens your mind (D&C 11:13–14; Alma 32:34).



10. You will know and bear record (Ether 4:11–15).



11. ―Still small voice, ―which whispereth through and pierceth all things often making my bones to quake,‖ ―voice in mind, ―as of one crying in the wilderness . . . because you cannot see him‖ (Enos 1:10; 1 Kings 16:13; Isaiah 30:21; D&C 85:6; 88:66; see also 3 Nephi 11:37).



12. I know that ye believe them . . . by the manifestation of the spirit, great is my joy. He that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together (Alma 7:17; D&C 50:10–25). It can be a shared experience that is witnessed and not self-induced.



13. Experience a change of perception. ―God has created man with a mind capable of instruction, and a faculty which may be enlarged in proportion to the heed and diligence given to the light communicated from heaven to the intellect; and that the nearer a man approaches perfection, the clearer are his views, and the greater his enjoyments, till he has overcome the evils of his life and lost every desire for sin; and . . . arrives at that point of faith where he is wrapped in the power and glory of his Maker and is caught up to dwell with Him. . . . This is a station to which no man ever arrived in a moment: he must have been instructed . . . by proper degrees, until his mind is capable in some measure of comprehending the propriety, justice, equality, and consistency of the same.


Answer to Prayer Emphasizing Feeling


1. Heart burns within (Luke 24:32; Jeremiah 20:9;Psalms 39:2–3, 12; D&C 9).


2. Enlarges soul (Alma 32:27: Moroni 10:3–6); cf. Enos for enlargement of soul, first praying for self, then his people, then his enemies (Enos 1–17).


3. Word begins to be delicious to you (Alma 32:27); also tree of life (1 Nephi 8:10–16).


4. Word grows in you (Alma 32:28–43) ―As that subject seems to occupy my mind, and press itself upon my feelings the strongest‖ (D&C 128:1). ―Never did any passage of scripture come with more power to the heart of man than this did at this time to mine. It seemed to enter with great force into every feeling of my heart. I reflected upon it again and again‖ (Joseph Smith–History 1:12).


5. Invites to do good (Moroni 7:13); fruit of spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (Galatians 5:22–25).


6. Invites to love God and to serve him (Moroni 7:13–19).


7. Peace to mind concerning the matter (D&C 6:14–15, 22–23).



8. Feel that it is right; stupor of thought if wrong (D&C 9:7–9).



9. Leads you to walk humbly (D&C 11:12).



10. Peace and power of spirit flow into you (D&C 111:8).



11. Spirit teaches you that ye must pray (2 Nephi 32:8–9).



12. Spirit fills with joy (D&C 11:13–14; Mosiah 4:3)



13. Peace of conscience (Mosiah 4:3).



14. Consolation, comfort, peace (Helaman 3:5; John 14:26–27)



15. Guilty take truth hard, for it cuts to the center (Acts 2:37; 1 Nephi 16:2; 2 Nephi 32:2). Some harden hearts against it; others repent (see Alma 14, 15, and 36).



16. Experience a change of heart (Alma 5:26). ―The spirit of the Lord . . . will whisper peace and joy to their souls; it will take malice, hatred, strife and all evil from their hearts, . . . and their whole desire will be to do good, bring forth righteousness, and build up the kingdom of God. ―Law . . . written in hearts‖ (Jeremiah 31:33). ―New heart, new spirit within you‖ (Ezekiel 11:19).


Other Ways Prayers Are Answered.


1. You receive help that you‘ve prayed for (James 5:16–18). ―The fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much‖ (James 5:16).


2. Numinous Experience: awe and reverence, mystery and wonder, fascination and dread, a sense of otherness, confrontation and encounter; becoming aware of dependence, finitude, limitation, and contingency.


3. Mystical Experience; sense of the unity of all things, joy, harmony, serenity, peace, loss of ego. ―Eight central qualities of the mystical or transcendent experience‖ are:


The "ego quality". During the experience, the person may lose the sense of self, and feel absorbed in to something greater. (cf. He that ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth; D&C 88:6; And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Enoch, and told Enoch all the doings of the children of men; wherefore Enoch knew, and looked upon their wickedness, and their misery, and wept and stretched forth his arms, and his heart swelled wide as eternity; and his bowels yearned; and all eternity shook. Moses 7:41);


The "unifying quality". During the experience, the person may feel that ―everything is one. (cf. He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever. D&C 88:41),


The ―inner and subjective quality. The person may feel that things possess consciousness which we don‘t usually regard as being conscious, like trees, or the earth itself. (cf. And it came to pass that Enoch looked upon the earth; and he heard a voice from the bowels thereof, saying: Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face? Moses 7:48)



The ―temporal/spatial quality. The person may experience time and space differently, and may even feel that the experience occurs outside the normal boundaries of space and time. (cf. And it came to pass, as the voice was still speaking, Moses cast his eyes and beheld the earth, yea, even all of it; and there was not a particle of it which he did not behold, discerning it by the spirit of God. And he beheld also the inhabitants thereof, and there was not a soul which he beheld not; and he discerned them by the Spirit of God; and their numbers were great, even numberless as the sand upon the sea shore. And he beheld many lands; and each land was called earth, and there were inhabitants on the face thereof. Moses 1:27–29. Compare also Black Elk‘s vision.);


The ―noetic quality. The person may feel that the experience is the source of true knowledge. (cf. And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know, for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and your mind doth begin to expand. O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good; ...Alma 32:34-35 )


The ―ineffable quality.The experience may be impossible to express in normal language. (cf. And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were caught up into heaven, and saw and heard unspeakable things. And it was forbidden them that they should utter; neither was it given unto them power that they could utter the things which they saw and heard; And whether they were in the body or out of the body, they could not tell; for it did seem unto them like a transfiguration of them, that they were changed from this body of flesh into an immortal state, that they could behold the things of God. 3 Nephi 28:13-15. Which he commanded us we should not write while we were yet in the Spirit, and are not lawful for man to utter; Neither is man capable to make them known, for they are only to be seen and understood by the power of the Holy Spirit, which God bestows on those who love him, and purify themselves before him; D&C 76:116-117)



The ―positive emotion quality. (cf. He hath filled me with his love, even unto the consuming of my flesh. 2 Nephi 4:21. And oh, what joy, and what marvelous light I did behold; yea, my soul was filled with joy as exceeding as was my pain! Yea, I say unto you, my son, that there could be nothing so exquisite and so bitter as were my pains. Yea, and again I say unto you, my son, that on the other hand, there can be nothing so exquisite and sweet as was my joy. Alma 36:20-21).



The ―sacred quality. The experience may seem to be intrinsically sacred. (But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him. Moses 1:11).



4. Dreams and Visions; compare Nephi and Lehi, Daniel, Peter, and John, etc.


5. Personal Dialogue; you feel yourself addressed through events, and answer through your actions.

[sbsion]

remember, the Holy Ghost is a "witnesser", ie, a varifier of truth, not necessarly the "sender" of truth.....It is a witness of being "intuned" with the laws that govern all things.........how it vibrates in you soul and your preception of it, depends often times of WHY you want to know ie, warmth,"feel good" etc........enjoy a might change

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Like: I beleive that this appendix should be given to every Church member but especially new converts. Thank you for posting this.

[Raindrop]

Fear is a common reaction to certain spiritual experiences.

Luke 1:11-12 "And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard..."

Luke 1:28-30 "And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying... And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary..."

Matthew 28:1-5 "In the end of the sabbath... came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus..."

Mosiah 4:1 "And now, it came to pass that when king Benjamin had made an end of speaking the words which had been delivered unto him by the angel of the Lord, that he cast his eyes round about on the multitude, and behold they had fallen to the earth, for the fear of the Lord had come upon them."

Alma 36:11 "And the angel spake more things unto me, which were heard by my brethren, but I did not hear them; for when I heard the words—If thou wilt be destroyed of thyself, seek no more to destroy the church of God—I was struck with such great fear and amazement lest perhaps I should be destroyed, that I fell to the earth and I did hear no more."

Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last..."


Our testimonies must be based on more than emotion or feelings.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Raindrop: WADR, the appearance of angels is very different than the HG although I would suspect that the HG will verify an angels message. I've never been visted by an angel so ?????? IF I ever am, I will use the sure tests to see if the angel is from God as given in the D+C.

[Daniel]

I have often wondered how the Holy Ghost would witness to an individual a negative trueth, such as when one awakens to the awful situation spoken of by Moroni. I have occassionaly tried to get a witness from the Holy Ghost over the last 4 years or so through fasting and prayer and temple visits to get a confirmation as to what I believe to be true. I have never gotten the warm fuzzies or burning in the heart, but instead I seem to be given more evidence each time, and yes it all makes sence to me and rings of trueth.

I don't know what the full answer is to the subject question of this thread, I'll need to do some more of my own studying on this. Someone mentioned Elder Bednar's talk last conference concerning this issue, actually he spoke on the same thing for that last two conferences, very good talks as I recall.

One scripture story that seems to support the dread and fear argument, as well as the warm fuzzies while filled with the spirit is Lehi's experience in 1 Nephi 1 when Lehi himself seems to have been awakened to his own "awful situation" by the Lord. Verse 6: And it came to pass as he prayed unto the Lord, there came a pillar of fire and dwelt upon a rock before him; and he saw and heard much; and because of the things which he saw and heard he did quake and tremble exceedingly. Verse 7: And it came to pass that he returned to his own house at Jerusalem; and he cast himself upon his bed, being overcome with the Spirit and the things which he had seen.

The account goes on with a vision that Lehi sees wherein he is given a book to read concerning the sins of Lehi's own countrymen and fellow church members... Verse 12: And it came to pass that as he read, he was filled with the Spirit of the Lord. Verse 13: And he read, saying: Wo, wo, unto Jerusalem, for I have seen thine abominations! Yea, and many things did my father read concerning Jerusalem—that it should be destroyed, and the inhabitants thereof; many should perish by the sword, and many should be carried away captive into Babylon. Verse 14: And it came to pass that when my father had read and seen many great and marvelous things, he did exclaim many things unto the Lord; such as: Great and marvelous are thy works, O Lord God Almighty! Thy throne is high in the heavens, and thy power, and goodness, and mercy are over all the inhabitants of the earth; and, because thou art merciful, thou wilt not suffer those who come unto thee that they shall perish! Verse 15: And after this manner was the language of my father in the praising of his God; for his soul did rejoice, and his whole heart was filled, because of the things which he had seen, yea, which the Lord had shown unto him.

I am learning quite a lot from this thread, much I have heard or read before, but had forgotten.

Daniel

[Rose Garden]

I know that the Holy Ghost will at times tell us things that greatly trouble us, bring us fear, perhaps even anger, but that these emotions are our reaction to what he is telling us not from him personally. However, I believe that these occurrences usually happen to those who have already learned to differentiate the Spirit from other influences. These are the people who are capable of handling this type of communication. Those who haven't learned to differentiate between the Spirit and other influences would likely be highly confused by this type of experience.

This is just my opinion. The Spirit hasn't confirmed this is true.

[Raindrop]

Raindrop: WADR, the appearance of angels is very different than the HG...

WADR, no it isn't.

You follow up your conclusion with the fact that you've never seen an angel. Why comment on things you know nothing about? It makes you look like you simply pull ideas out of the air.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Raindrop: The examples I see in the Bible and BofM are vicarious for me. The D+C clearly shows how to distinquish among angels, lucifer messengers and translated beings. And, I beleive somewhere it says that one may have been visited by angels and didn'r\t realize it.

Why this jumping on me for expressing my opinion based on vicarious understanding. Do I have to committ adulktery to really undertsand it's a sin or can expereince this vicariously? Jesus never sinned but vicariuoulsy he took upon Him all our sins.

[Like]

Like: I beleive that this appendix should be given to every Church member but especially new converts. Thank you for posting this.

This was great Like!! I appreciate these specific examples!

Your welcome :ymhug:

[Raindrop]

Samuel... Until you consider yourself a fool before God you will not learn a blessed thing, decades of Church membership notwithstanding. Once your experiences are more than vicarious, you will have much more to offer.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Raindrop: Twisting words around is NOT honest dialogue epsecially when it is used to accuse a person. I'm saddened by your post.

All that Jesus did for us was vicarious. All that we do in the Temple is vicarious. In psycholgy there is a whole mass of research on vicarious learning. May I suggest you ponder on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_learning" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Raindrop]

Why do prophets write anything at all? Is it to keep people dependent on them for Godly knowledge? Or is it to try to lead the person to experience things for themself? To lead people to Christ?

I don't see how the Atonement or temple ordinances (the recipients of which are UNABLE to execute them for themselves) relates to knowing what the Holy Ghost is and how the Holy Ghost works. You made the statement that angelic visions are much different experiences than experiences with the Holy Ghost. I say you are wrong. Now you are claiming you learned this in some vicarious way? I'm not following you.

[Raindrop]

I'm saddened by your post.

By the way, emotion oftentimes hinders the ability to feel the Holy Ghost.

[AshleyB]

Raindrop are you coming from the point of view of someone who has been visited by Angels? Im not quite understanding why you seemed to come down on Sam for his personal observations in a condescending manner. The only conclusion I can make is that you have had visitations from angels and this is why you are reacting so strongly to his observations... That being said, we are all constantly in the presence of Angels. Just for the most part we are unaware. And other times they come to us in a less glorified form appearing as mortal as you and I and we have no idea who they really are. I have had some very sacred experiences that I wont share here but I can say that in some respects I agree with Sam's assessment. I feel that there are similarities for instance that if someone sees and Angel vs having an experience with the Holy Ghost depending on the faith of the person both experiences can seem just as unreal and the person can just as easily dismiss an encounter with an Angel as they could an encounter with the Holy Ghost. You can talk your self out of almost any experience if you dont have faith. After the feelings of the experience are gone it seems less real and you can start to question whether it was real. Miracles dont produce faith. But having Faith increases the impact of the experience on the person.

Hmm actually those things being said it seems Im talking about similarities and Sam was talking about Contrasts. Either way.... Still dont understand your strong reaction to Sam's comments though. They are just his assessments. I feel lately the urge to come to his defense. I dont understand the reactions he gets at times when he just being inquisitive and honest about things.

[Amore Vero]

the appearance of angels is very different than the HG

I agree. It takes righteousness to feel & hear the Holy Ghost, whereas, even the wicked can see angels at times, that does not require righteousness. Though righteousness can bring both the Spirit & the ability to see or visit with angels more often.

[Raindrop]

bestsun- Sorry you thought my reactions to Sam were "strong" - I am not feeling any "strong" feelings toward this discussion one way or the other, to be honest. Just adding my thoughts and trying to get clarification where I'm not following.

amore- The bottom line with spiritual messengers is light and truth or as Joseph said, pure intelligence. In that way, they are the same. Who the recipients of these messages are or their righteousness does not change the bottom line of the message given.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Raindrop: I too am curious. Have you actually had at least one visit by an angel? If Yes, please share whatever you can. Thanks

[Amore Vero]

amore- The bottom line with spiritual messengers is light and truth or as Joseph said, pure intelligence. In that way, they are the same. Who the recipients of these messages are or their righteousness does not change the bottom line of the message given.

I agree Raindrop. Both the Holy Spirit & Angels of light would both speak only truth.

Laman & Lemuel did heed the Angel that commanded them to stop hurting Nephi, but his influence did not stay with them long for they did not completely repent.

[Samuel the Lamanite]

Amore: True abouyt L+L. Why did this not last? I would say it was NOT accompanied by the Holy Ghost because the HG will dwell in a person's mind and heart accorcing to D+C 8. What say ye?

[Amore Vero]

Amore: True abouyt L+L. Why did this not last? I would say it was NOT accompanied by the Holy Ghost because the HG will dwell in a person's mind and heart accorcing to D+C 8. What say ye?

L&L definately would not have been able to feel the Holy Ghost, so it was only a feeling of 'fear' from seeing an Angel, that caused them to temporarily change their ways.