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Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonites
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:09 pm
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Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonites
By Emily W. Jensen
“What can we learn from the Anti-Nephi-Lehies to help us keep the covenants we make with God?”
This question from the current Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual was the theme of BYU-Idaho history professor J. David Pulsipher’s Mormon History Association presentation Saturday on the Ammonites as examples of pacifists as depicted in LDS curriculum.
Pulsipher combed through LDS curriculum materials to discover how leaders and teachers have approached the Ammonite story as found in Alma 24. Throughout the last 130 years, answers to the above question in LDS curriculum have ranged widely, beginning with curriculum writer George Reynolds’ commentary in the late 19th century. As Pulsipher explained, “Reynolds repeatedly recognized the singular nature of the story, referring to the Ammonite strategy as ‘passive non-resistance.’”
By 1935, there was a direct question regarding war in the Book of Mormon Sunday School lesson manual. Pulsipher cited the lesson titled “When You Think of War” explaining that “the lesson appealed to the Ammonites as evidence of ‘a large body of people’ who ‘would not engage even in a defensive war.’” And then the lesson concludes, “Our attitude, then, toward war should be to avoid it when and if we can. It is better to settle the differences between nations, as we settle differences between individuals, by trying to get together through reasoning and peaceful means.”
In 1940, J. Karl Wood wrote an "Outline Study of the Book of Mormon" for the then-LDS Education Department and in a lesson titled “Non-Resistance” Wood used the Ammonites to, as Pulsipher outlined, “show that Christ’s principle of ‘turning the other cheek’ may be put into practice in a large group of people when imbued by the spirit of Christ.”
But by 1950, interpretation of the Ammonite story as found in LDS curriculum shifted beginning with William E. Berrett’s "Teachings of the Book of Mormon." Pulsipher describes that in Berrett’s “Teachings," and its accompanying teacher’s supplement, Berrett employed similar language, calling the episode "an interesting experiment in non-resistance," and directly addressed its implications for the modern world. But unlike earlier interpreters, Berrett criticized the Ammonite strategies as ineffectual and suggested they were not prescriptive.”
The past few decades have seen a more metaphorical approach to the story of the people of Ammon instead of using their experience as a literal example to emulate. In explanation, Pulphisher cited the 1982 "Seminary Teacher Outline," which “encouraged instructors to ask their students to identify ‘what weapons of rebellion today’s youth need to lay down. … They may mention such things as conflicts with parents, rivalry among friends, anger, disobedience, immorality, drug abuse.’” And Elder L. Tom Perry recently said, “While the message of the story is not to insist on universal pacifism, we do learn that by not returning aggressions from others we can have a profound effect on them. Literally, we can change their hearts when we follow Christ’s example and turn the other cheek. Our examples as peaceable followers of Christ inspire others to follow him.”
“The people of Ammon, who buried their weapons and met their enemies armed only with love and prayer, constitute an extraordinary episode in the Book of Mormon," Pulsipher summarized. "The anomalous nature of their behavior, including the poignant effect it had on their oppressors, begs interpretation about whether their strategy ought to be emulated by individuals and societies.”
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:17 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Thank you for the history. I try hard to follow Jesus when He said, "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. Later on in that sermon, he tells us to forige our enemies: let God take vengence. The corallary is "Cursed are the warmaker/mongers for they shall be called the children of Satan. I realize that Jesus' words were only metophorical and shouldn't be taken literally. NOT. He is the PRINCE OF PEACE AND WE ARE TO BE LIKE HIM IN EVERYWAY. GOD HAS ALLOWED A FEW WARS WHICH HE COMMANDED. THE D-DC CLEARLY OUTLINES HOW TO GET GOD'S PERMISSION TO GO TO WAR.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:39 pm
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Yeah, I thought it was interesting to see how this story has been treated and viewed throughout the years.

Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:43 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Remember that the prince of this world has control over armies and navies and will blood and havoc to destroy God's children. I find way too many "saints" who are warmongers. Most saints who are GOPers are warmongers.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:44 pm
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Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Remember that the prince of this world has control over armies and navies and will blood and havoc to destroy God's children. I find way too many "saints" who are warmongers. Most saints who are GOPers are warmongers.
That is how I see things too.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 6:47 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
The leading GOP POTUS candidate Romney is not only a warmonger but an advocate of a Global govt. Remmebr that God warned us against wolves in sheep's clothing.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 7:04 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Brent: I love the BofM. As Jospeh said as well as ETB taught, no one get clsoer to God thatn studying the BofM. I have found those promises met 110%.
So what specific verses/stories in the BofM are you thinking about?
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 7:22 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Brent: Yes defensive war ONLY after offering three times to have peace according to the D+C. No God is NOT a total pacifist but I hardly think is OK with the preemptive and offensive wars that the USA has done for the most part since WW2. God will soon pull His spsit from striving with the Samints who support warmaking.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 8:42 pm
by Poltax
Something has been missed in the OP story. The Anti-Nephi-Lehies, threw down their weapons of war due to the repentance process. They were afraid that if they were to pick up their arms and go to war for any reason, due to the covenant they had made to bury their weapons when converted, that their prior sins & murders would be restored to their heads. Hence they then sent their sons, the Stripling Warriors, who had not taken the covenant, to help Capt Moroni.
To me this story has nothing to do with being a pacifist and not fighting back. It has everything to do with keeping your covenants when repenting and sticking to them even if you or your friends are being destroyed around you. If they were pacifists, and this story was a learning experience about not taking up arms, then they would not have sent their sons off to war to help Capt Moroni not only defend them, but the whole nation. The Stripling Warriors as the Book of Mormon teaches were so blessed by what their "Mothers" had taught them, that not one of them was killed in any battle. They were all protected due to their parents keeping the covenant they had made, plus due to their own righteousness.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 8:46 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Poltax: Thansk for your post. Do you think their mohers would have told them to go on an offensive war with the Lamanites. We MUST keep in mind that defensive wars as I mentioned above when all God's requirements are met, is NOT unrrighteours war, God is NOT a pacifist. he constantly talks about His word to be lightened to a two edge sword.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: May 31st, 2011, 9:24 pm
by Poltax
STL.....I have no idea what their mothers would have told them to do if the the war was offensive and the Nephites were trying to take over the Lamanites land. As we are told in the Book of Mormon. The Nephites were defending their lands under the Title of Liberty. Your question is a what if and a hypothetical one. Capt Moroni and the army were doing their best to defend the Nephite land, not take over the Lamanites land. The Lamanites started the war, the Nephites, were going to finish it and kick out the Lamanites. Which in my opinion, the correct thing to do.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 8:18 am
by Nan
I think this story isn't about what we should do in war. I think it is about laying down our personal weapons of rebellion. We all have them and we must bury them to progress.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 8:33 am
by Galticus
Poltax wrote:.....To me this story has nothing to do with being a pacifist and not fighting back. It has everything to do with keeping your covenants when repenting and sticking to them even if you or your friends are being destroyed around you.
This is the source of the argument. It is all about covenants being kept. The Ammonite adults had been blood thirsty "war-mongers" and were disgusted with their actions. Once they saw the light of Christ, they covenanted to never tread down that path again. Kind of like an alcoholic - once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. They didn't even want the temptation of blood-lust again. They would rather die than tempt themselves, so they made the covenant.
As a side note; after the first slaughter, when more of the Lamanites were converted than of the Ammonites slaughtered, the Lamaites were going to attack the Ammonites again. They wanted them annihilated. The Lord had to instruct Ammon to get the people out because Satan had such a great hold on the wicked that the righteous could no longer be spared. The Lord clearly doesn't want righteous peoples slaughtered without some greater cause (e.g. testing the righteous or converting the attackers).
Truths I think that are self evident:
Pacifism does not equal Peace
War mongering does not equal defending one's OWN LANDS against an enemy that wants your freedom.
Pacifism = submission and ultimate slavery
War Mongering = chasing a susposed threat into every land you can. Which is definitely not the Lords way of doing things in our current situation.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:06 am
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Nan wrote:I think this story isn't about what we should do in war. I think it is about laying down our personal weapons of rebellion. We all have them and we must bury them to progress.
That reminds me.......Have you heard of the book "Burying Our Swords, How Christ Can Remove Rebellion From Our Heart", by Kevin Hinckley? I was at Deseret Book in the bargains book section and saw it was on sale for $1.99 so I got it. The book jacket calls the book an extended parable, it is a story about learning to do things the Lord's way, so we can increase the peace in our lives. I am looking forward to reading this small book, it about 120 pages.
Anyway,just a heads up for anyone who would be interested.....
(Here is a funny side note, I found the book in the bargains section, get this, it was right next to Mitt Romney's book "No Apology" =)) ....I wonder if
Sheri Dew would have cow if she knew?

) )
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:10 am
by Nan
Like wrote:Nan wrote:I think this story isn't about what we should do in war. I think it is about laying down our personal weapons of rebellion. We all have them and we must bury them to progress.
That reminds me.......Have you heard of the book "Burying Our Swords, How Christ Can Remove Rebellion From Our Heart", by Kevin Hinckley? I was at Deseret Book in the bargains book section and saw it was on sale for $1.99 so I got it. The book jacket calls the book an extended parable, it is a story about learning to do things the Lord's way, so we can increase the peace in our lives. I am looking forward to reading this small book, it about 120 pages.
Anyway,just a heads up for anyone who would be interested.....
(Here is a funny side note, I found the book in the bargains section, get this, it was right next to Mitt Romney's book "No Apology" =)) ....I wonder if
Sheri Dew would have cow if she knew?

) )
I know Kevin Hinckley. He is pretty awesome. He lives in Plano. He teaches at both education weeks.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:13 am
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Nan wrote:I know Kevin Hinckley. He is pretty awesome. He lives in Plano. He teaches at both education weeks.
Awesome, tell him he just gained another fan!
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:23 am
by Nan
Will do.
Just thought to add his website for you.
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Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:40 am
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Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 10:38 am
by Rose Garden
Galticus wrote:Poltax wrote:.....To me this story has nothing to do with being a pacifist and not fighting back. It has everything to do with keeping your covenants when repenting and sticking to them even if you or your friends are being destroyed around you.
This is the source of the argument. It is all about covenants being kept. The Ammonite adults had been blood thirsty "war-mongers" and were disgusted with their actions. Once they saw the light of Christ, they covenanted to never tread down that path again. Kind of like an alcoholic - once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. They didn't even want the temptation of blood-lust again. They would rather die than tempt themselves, so they made the covenant.
As a side note; after the first slaughter, when more of the Lamanites were converted than of the Ammonites slaughtered, the Lamaites were going to attack the Ammonites again. They wanted them annihilated. The Lord had to instruct Ammon to get the people out because Satan had such a great hold on the wicked that the righteous could no longer be spared. The Lord clearly doesn't want righteous peoples slaughtered without some greater cause (e.g. testing the righteous or converting the attackers).
Truths I think that are self evident:
Pacifism does not equal Peace
War mongering does not equal defending one's OWN LANDS against an enemy that wants your freedom.
Pacifism = submission and ultimate slavery
War Mongering = chasing a supposed threat into every land you can. Which is definitely not the Lords way of doing things in our current situation.
Great insights! There are probably too many people in today's world who are ok with pacifism, trusting that they are going to be taken care of, giving up their weapons of self defense, and demanding that others do too. They would do well to really read and understand this story the way you have explained it.
When I read the original post, I applied it to the spiritual realm; in other words, with our natural tendency to be angry and contentious with one another. Finding the balance between defense and turning the other cheek has been a vital part of my spiritual development. I used to think it was loving to not say anything when I was offended, but I eventually realized that it wasn't--it just caused more problems. But always boldly condemning others' offensive actions isn't right either. There is a time to step back and be passive and a time to step up and be defensive. Only the Spirit can help us know exactly which method is right in any given situation. When done through inspiration, humbly turning the other cheek can have a profound effect on the offending party, but so can boldly standing up for yourself if that is what the Spirit dictates. Learning to follow the Spirit is the key to success in this area (and all others, too).
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 10:46 am
by Samuel the Lamanite
Nan: Most scripture has multiple levels of meaning. At a symbolic level, I totally agree with you. At a phsical level it shows us when war is "justifiesD" IMO, Only in defense and after what has been required in the D+C: three offers of peace.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 10:51 am
by Samuel the Lamanite
Called to serve: No war is right unless commanded by God to one of His servants. God has a very different set of criteria than man. America is a warmongering nation with blood thirsty majority of citizens espceiallt within the GOP, and especially with the NeoCons. Romeny BTW is a Neocon. So is Hunmtsmen. The only pereson I know of who is not a warmonegr and shows it constantly by actions NOT just words is the noninterventionist Ron Paul.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 11:14 am
by SpeedRacer
Galticus wrote:
This is the source of the argument. It is all about covenants being kept. The Ammonite adults had been blood thirsty "war-mongers" and were disgusted with their actions. Once they saw the light of Christ, they covenanted to never tread down that path again. Kind of like an alcoholic - once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. They didn't even want the temptation of blood-lust again. They would rather die than tempt themselves, so they made the covenant.
I identify with this comment. Seeing that they were willing to keep a covenant, even to the loss of their own life is a brilliant lesson. This is literally what God requires, and these people did that. It is a great illustration in the BoM.
As for the specific covenant, I think the teaching is clear that it was specific to this people, but the general teaching applies to all.
Re: Burying their weapons of war: The example of the Ammonit
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 12:16 pm
by Samuel the Lamanite
Speed: I don't think it's a specic example but should be generalized so we need to agree to diagee.
I would pint out that anyone who has had their endowment agrees to literally give up their life for Jesus if that becomes necessary to His plans.