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LoveIsTruth wrote:

Juliette wrote:You say " Prove it, " Prove it". Jason and Semp have proved it to you.

Just as much as you have "proven" things, which is 0.

Juliette wrote:You don't listen.

I do listen, and I have completely demolished all of their arguments.

Juliette wrote:You have your brain so saturated with your beliefs, and won't listen to anybody!

If I agreed with you guys we would all be wrong! I cannot compromise with Eternal Truth.

Juliette wrote:I cannot express myself the way Semp and Jason do. But I understand what they are saying. You don't convince me one bit. Sorry Love.

It does not make any difference. Truth is not left without an effect even if some don't believe it. Truth will have the last laugh, not you. Society can never have lasting peace and prosperity without just such principles that you will not let into your mind. This is not new. People have fought the truth for thousands of years. You are one of them, and you will fail. Truth will not.

Juliette wrote:I don't want to fight. But I will tell you this. I picture you standing in my face, while tapping my chest with your index finger screaming, prove it, prove it. I also picture myself calling my big brother on my cell phone, having him show up, and causing you to cry like a baby. Things in person are different.

Then picture me showing you and your brother my excellent gun collection too. You do not want to go there, I assure you! It will not end well for you. (As long as we are picturing things.)



Peace.

Juliette wrote:AHHAHAHAHA! Nobody wins over you huh? Why am I reminded of Jim Jones?

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Juliette wrote:AHHAHAHAHA! Nobody wins over you huh? Why am I reminded of Jim Jones?

I love you too!

SempiternalHarbinger wrote:

Jason wrote:

Fairminded wrote:I respect your opinions as a poster, Jason. I've enjoyed your Blipits and other contributions to the forum, and the research you do to support them. I trust your sincerity and have no reason to doubt the information you provide (beyond that most information these days is slanted one way or another).

That said, I'm a bit surprised by the vehemence with which you're going after Ron Paul. It seems kind of out of the blue, since before a couple weeks ago you didn't really have much to say one way or another. I've found that such hostility usually comes from an emotional response, not a reasoned position. Is there some way Ron Paul offended you that caused this crusade, or something specific you found out that turned you off so violently?

Perhaps I'm out of line....but yes I'm extremely disappointed in Ron Paul based on the information I have discovered. I had him on a pedestal and put hard earned money behind him last go around....as well as touting him to just about everyone I knew for many years....from 2006/2007 up until a couple weeks ago (still thought he was the best option there despite some minor flaws).

Prior to a couple weeks ago I had a few minor issues that irritated me like the way the excess campaign funds from the last go-around were spent....and how all that was handled (talk within his group of creating a for-profit publishing company with some of the funds a month or two prior to him backing out of the race). Anyways for the most part it was minor irritations. Then Semp provided some thoughts and made some statements so I decided to do a deep dive and either prove him wrong or right. Turns out he was right and called it 100% to the best of my knowledge thus far.

As far as specifics to my change of heart/discussion/research....I think it basically comes down to a summary perspective (based on all of the research)...and associated realization....that not only was his libertarian theories and associated agenda not what I had previously thought (a big banker funded fraud)....but if actually implemented would be the final take over shot by the globalists. He would destroy this country right down to the foundation. So yeah now I have serious questions about how much he's bought off and how insidious it gets. At least with Obama (despite a few clouds over his history) in a couple google runs you pretty much knew his CIA background story with mentors like Frank Davis - "Sex Rebel: Black". Ron Paul is at a whole different level. Either he is very naive and well intentioned...or insidious to a whole new dimension. To each their own on judgement....my conspiratorial hat may be on a little too tight...

Thanks Jason! And No, you are not out of line. Truth cuts it's own way and is never popular. And it's a big-time low blow to equate your own research and findings to that you would have been one of those that tried to make Joseph Smith out to be an insider because he descend from one of the 13 bloodlines and was a Freemason. This is not cool in any way. What's ironic is some have said you have gone to far in defending Joseph Smith's good name. (Polygamy) If anything, I think Fairminded should point that finger else where.

Fairminded wrote:A bit discouraging if he really does have bad intentions. A lot of people call him the "last hope for America". If he's gone I guess that's that for the country.

A lot of people call him the "last hope for America"? Well, there are no political saviors. If he's gone I guess that's that for the country? Not so wise to put your trust in the arm of flesh. Repentance and forgiveness is the last hope for America. And the only one who will be doing any saving is our Savior who saves the righteous from the judgments of the wicked. Our awful situation will lead to the point where we literally need to be saved!!

Fairminded wrote: Of course, I believe the MDGs have such total control at this point that any attempts to change things within the system would ultimately be manipulated to their advantage.

Anyone who is a real threat and who actually attempts at exposing Satan's empire for what it really is, is put in a mental hospital, blackmailed, threatened, or killed. It is my belief that if Ron Paul was any threat whatsoever the is no way in hell he would be allowed to remain in House for the past 35 years. I have said it sense the day I showed up here that Ron Paul's audit is a lifetime pursuit of nothingness. A road that has lead to nowhere. Ron Paul's audit the fed has in no way been any threat to the establishment. And speaking of audit, why is there any need for an audit? The fed is un-constitutional! Why is he not demanding we uphold the constitution? Because an audit will lead to this? Screw an audit, let's follow the laws of the land. But that would require standing up to Satan's financial empire. Same thing with 9/11. It's almost funny to see loveistruth badmouthing, calling Bluemoon every name in the book for not believing 9/11 but when the one person who actually could do something doesn't is continually praised and compared with Jefferson. Same thing with Obama care.... Ron Paul has been very outspoken how bad Obama care is and how it will bankrupt us. But if he is so against it, and if it is so un-constitutional why is he not standing up like he has sworn an oath to do and demand the house republicans who have the power and end it today? The House republicans don't need one democrat vote to end Obama Care and Ron Paul is silent on the only way to end it. Silence is all I am hearing..... Ron Paul says Obama is constitutionally eligible, and is a constitutional expert. both lies. Obama is a communist radical who has deceived the American people all the way to White house. Every single thing Obama has signed since his inauguration is invalid. He does not have the authority. He is NOT eligible for president. And the highest court of the land, the media, ALL our representatives are all deeply involved in this scam. Maybe one of the great lies ever perpetrated on the American people. And Ron Paul has nothing to say. We want to change things we need to start demanding we uphold the rule of Law. Which Ron Paul is not doing. Unless we overturn everyone of Obama signatures America is gone. And the only way to do that is upholding the constitution and demand Obama is escorted out of the white house today and all these lies brought to light than.... But as Ron Paul has already said, "I don't want to be laughed out of congress." Anyone who stands up for the truth knows the truth is always mocked. And if being laughed at is more concern than upholding their oath to God to defend, protect, preserve the constitution against all enemies than what's the point in voting for him or putting all your trust in him. And that’s not even touching on his Austrian economics or his libertarian beliefs or his “perfect constitutional voting record" so many have been led to believe he has.

When one truly understands our awful situation than they will realize there are no political saviors. And we have been sold out by all our representatives.

“There is not one political candidate on the horizon who dares to tell the whole truth! Not one! Because the truth is WORK or perish! And that is not a very inviting campaign promise.” Ezra Taft Benson

IMO Ron Paul is not the exception. We need the whole truth! No one can ever be expected to make the correct choices if they don't have the correct history and facts.

Jason wrote:Haven't seen any answers one way or the other yet.....

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Jason wrote:Haven't seen any answers one way or the other yet.....

Really? I did it here.

Jason wrote:

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Jason wrote:Haven't seen any answers one way or the other yet.....

Really? I did it here.

Sorry but that doesn't answer the question. I can try and make assumptions but you know what happens when you assume.

Could you simply state who you think he's lying to? You....or the Peter Thiel's, Grover Norquist's, and Lewis Lehrman's of the world???

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Jason wrote:

LoveIsTruth wrote:Really? I did it here.

Sorry but that doesn't answer the question. I can try and make assumptions but you know what happens when you assume.

Could you simply state who you think he's lying to? You....or the Peter Thiel's, Grover Norquist's, and Lewis Lehrman's of the world???

I don't think he is lying at all, at least about his believe in limited government and Liberty. I think he is 100% honest about that.

Jason wrote:
fyi - liberty and limited government in a wicked society don't go together. The wicked are in need of harsher task masters....

Fairminded wrote:

Jason wrote:
fyi - liberty and limited government in a wicked society don't go together. The wicked are in need of harsher task masters....

I disagree completely with this statement. Most of the things government does to suppress the wicked in fact victimize the innocent, to the point where no government and everyone working to defend themselves would actually be better for all concerned. In fact, limited government is MOST important in a wicked society.

There's a reason wickedness and oppressive regimes go hand in hand.

Juliette wrote:Love, I have made friends with almost everyone on this Forum. How about you? 1 in a million? So you're saying theres a chance?
( dumb and dumber)

InfoWarrior82 wrote:I believe the reason why our society is so wicked these days IS BECAUSE OF THE GADIANTON ROBBERS who have infiltrated our government. It is because of big government we are wicked. Small government will bring the liberty and freedom that Christ had intended for our country. Going back to the original intent of the constitution IS repentance.

Fairminded wrote:

Jason wrote:
fyi - liberty and limited government in a wicked society don't go together. The wicked are in need of harsher task masters....

I disagree completely with this statement. Most of the things government does to suppress the wicked in fact victimize the innocent, to the point where no government and everyone working to defend themselves would actually be better for all concerned. In fact, limited government is MOST important in a wicked society.

There's a reason wickedness and oppressive regimes go hand in hand.

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Fairminded wrote:

Jason wrote:
fyi - liberty and limited government in a wicked society don't go together. The wicked are in need of harsher task masters....

I disagree completely with this statement. Most of the things government does to suppress the wicked in fact victimize the innocent, to the point where no government and everyone working to defend themselves would actually be better for all concerned. In fact, limited government is MOST important in a wicked society.

There's a reason wickedness and oppressive regimes go hand in hand.

Thank you very much! Excellent points! "Jason" dreams himself a "benevolent" dictator, but he does not understand, that in an eternal world people with these attitudes WILL NOT RULE, because there, your dominion flows unto you without compulsory means, OR NOT AT ALL.

Therefore such aspiring "benevolent" dictators will be laid low of power. In fact hell is full of such. This is the lesson "Jason" has not yet learned, but he will be forced to learn it because God will humble him with his almighty power, and so everyone else who fights against Liberty and its Eternal Principles whose source is God.

InfoWarrior82 wrote:I believe the reason why our society is so wicked these days IS BECAUSE OF THE GADIANTON ROBBERS who have infiltrated our government. It is because of big government we are wicked. Small government will bring the liberty and freedom that Christ had intended for our country. Going back to the original intent of the constitution IS repentance. You can't blame me for supporting a candidate that has shown by his fruits that he is the very one outlined by our scriptures of who we need to vote for.


Sorry, but this does not look like austerity to me: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/r ... e-america/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.

Paul has long held that land owned by the government should be sold to private developers. In addition to closing the Department of the Interior, his "Restore America" budget plan proposes selling off at least $40 billion worth of public lands such as national parks, and other federal assets, between 2013 and 2016.

Fast forward almost 70 years. Ron Paul announces at the Heritage Foundation that the government should sell its gold to reduce the national debt.

coachmarc wrote:

InfoWarrior82 wrote:I believe the reason why our society is so wicked these days IS BECAUSE OF THE GADIANTON ROBBERS who have infiltrated our government. It is because of big government we are wicked. Small government will bring the liberty and freedom that Christ had intended for our country. Going back to the original intent of the constitution IS repentance.

That's only partly true. When Kishkumen and Gadianton began building their empire, interestingly enough at the time the Anti-Nephi-Lehis joined the Nephites in Zarahemla and Jershon and Captain Moroni raised the standard of liberty, it was the prideful Nephites who began "feeding" the Gadianton way. The righteous Anti-Nephi-Lehis would immediately take any wicked man out of their presence and delivered him to the chief judge.

"All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke

This was not the case within the Anti-Nephi-Lehis, but it certainly was for the Nephites and it proved their utter doom. Society is wicked these days because society continually degrades itself into decadence. It's even visible in our own church. Yes returning to small government is the right thing to do, but it is only part of the solution. Not all of it.

Jason wrote:Modus operandi....more character assassination....

Jason wrote:Its pretty hard to take your statements with any kind of credibility when all you have is a history of pie-in-the-sky statements that can't stand the light of application in the real world.

LoveIsTruth wrote:What you call "pie in the sky" is the truth as it exists in God, and until you accept it you will forever remain a slave and be forced to pay the cost of your own enslavement.

Jason wrote:Otherwise the return to small government will prove to be the overthrow and destruction of the nation.

LoveIsTruth wrote:

Jason wrote:Otherwise the return to small government will prove to be the overthrow and destruction of the nation.

As always, Jason is exactly wrong! Return to smaller government is part of the repentance process for the nation! In essence you are saying: "They cannot repent until they repent, so they need not repent!"


That is ridiculous!

And I would add that returning to small government is only feasible in the context of core problems being resolved first.....which is repentance as well as taking back control of our money.

Jason wrote:"useful ...." comrade

Jason wrote:Which comes first - smaller government or repentance? Which is a symptom and which is the core problem?

Jason wrote:If you shrink government and completely turn it over to the corporations and globalists

Jason wrote:(sell off land and gold...privatize the military, education, most branches of the government, remove the semi-privatized Fed control of money and go with complete privatization, etc etc etc)

Jason wrote: all while failing to address the core problems (self imposed moral constraint and priority upon the law - i.e. Republic)....you have what???

Jason wrote:What good is the law if its not enforced? If everyone is breaking the law (or at least the corporations who are running the show) then how do you enforce it with tiny little powerless (no control over money, land, resources) government?

Jason wrote:If the land is all sold for nothing and the government is protecting the "private" land holders....where do the people fit in the picture?

Jason wrote:..speaking of ridiculous....how did that gay vote to undermine what's left of the military go again???