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I voted for Paul, too. I haven't felt this good since 2008.

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britjas wrote:I voted for Paul, too. I haven't felt this good since 2008.
Just think how good you will feel in 2016! :)

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The Hill:
Retiring Ron Paul to make his case for liberty on college campuses next year


"Retiring Rep. Ron Paul plans to deliver speeches on college campuses next year and beyond, continuing his message of liberty and reducing the size of the federal government.

In an interview with The Hill, the Texas Republican clearly indicated that he isn’t ready for the rocking chair.

The 77-year-old physician-politician said, “I'm excited about spending more time on college campuses, not less. College campuses will still be on my agenda. That's where the action is."

He added, “The young people don't like the debt they are inheriting, the violation of their civil liberties. They don't like the war and it's a fertile field. The people up here sort of ignore them."

During the 2012 GOP presidential primary campaign, Paul said that he visited at least 36 college campuses. He was surprised that the best turnout occurred at the historically liberal bastion, U.C. Berkeley, where 8,500 students attended his event.

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[On the Congress floor in his last speech] Paul declared that his “goals in 1976 were the same as they are today: promote peace and prosperity by a strict adherence to the principles of individual liberty.”

The congressman branched off into numerous topics: abolishing federal agencies (including the IRS); a return to the gold standard; and the peril of excessive taxation.

Though he made the case that the U.S. government “continues fiddling around, our liberties and our wealth burn in the flames of a foreign policy that makes us less safe,” Paul expressed optimism that the younger generation is more open to returning to the cause of liberty.

"Compared to 1976 when I first came to Congress," Paul said, "the desire for more freedom and less government in 2012 is much greater and growing, especially in grassroots America...Our job, for those of us who believe that a different system than the one we have had for the last hundred years has driven us to this unsustainable crisis, is to be more convincing that there is a wonderful, uncomplicated and moral system that provides the answers.""



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"Retiring Rep. Ron Paul plans to deliver speeches on college campuses next year and beyond, continuing his message of liberty and reducing the size of the federal government."

May I suggest you review the article down below and send a similar suggestion to Ron Paul via the link provided below.

I understand you plan to make the case for liberty on college campuses next year. Please, please, please, make every effort to speak at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, and also at its affiliates, BYU Idaho in Rexburg, ID and BYU Hawaii. Students at these universities should be more receptive to you message than most, especially once they hear it from you. As an alternative to BYU in Provo, I also recommend Utah Valley University, the University of Utah, Utah State University, and Dixie College in St. George, UT.

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He recently spoke at UVU to an awesome reception!

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Ron Paul: An American Hero

"Ron Paul delivered his hard hitting farewell address on the House floor Wednesday in which he called out the “psychopathic authoritarians” who have eroded our individual liberty and plundered our wealth. As Dr. Paul readily admits, conventional wisdom may say that he has “accomplished very little” in terms of legislative successes during his 12 terms in Congress. Maybe so, but Ron Paul has accomplished something far more important and enduring. He has inspired an entire movement dedicated to the ideas of constitutionally limited government, free markets, and a non-interventionist foreign policy.

There is something distinctly American about a man that sticks to his guns. Yet, it is rare that a person so lives up to his principles that he actually becomes a hero. Ron Paul could easily be named the most important political figure of our era. He is living proof that one person can inspire an entire movement of millions of people..."

Read more: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/r ... ican-hero/

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Lew Rockwell: We Don’t Have To Put Up With This


Lew Rockwell is being brilliant again. One point I disagree with is that people should stay home and neither vote nor participate in politics. Those who ignore politics will end up as slaves to those who don't. I voted for Ron Paul. We should ALL vote on principle, not for the one likely to "win" but for the one in harmony with Fundamental Principles of Liberty, rather than the one opposing them.

Lew was right, voting for Romney would have been voting for slow and torturous death, voting for Obama was voting for a quicker death. Incidentally, voting for Ron Paul, would have been voting for life.

Listen here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell- ... with-this/

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Ron Paul Likes Price Gouging
It's necessary to human survival.

"Governments fail to understand that prices are not just random numbers. Prices perform an important role in providing information, coordinating supply and demand, and enabling economic calculation. When government interferes with the price mechanism, economic calamity ensues. Price controls on gasoline led to the infamous gas lines of the 1970s, yet politicians today repeat those same failed mistakes. Instituting price caps at a below-market price will always lead to shortages. No act of any legislature can reverse the laws of supply and demand.

History shows us that the quickest path to economic recovery is to abolish all price controls. If governments really want to aid recovery, they would abolish their “price-gouging” legislation and allow the free market to function."

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The Astonishing Ron Paul
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

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As 2012 draws to a close, it’s hard not to be reminded that 2013 will begin with Ron Paul retired from Congress. For all those years he was a fearless truth-teller, who exposed and denounced the horrors, domestic or foreign, of the regime. His farewell address – something practically unheard of for a congressman in the first place – will continue to be read years from now, as future Americans look back with astonishment that such a man actually served in the US Congress.

For most of his career, those speeches were delivered to a largely empty chamber and to audiences of modest size around the country. A man of Ron’s intelligence could have grown in stature and influence in no time at all had he been willing to play the game. He wasn’t. And he was perfectly at peace with the result: although he wasn’t a major political celebrity, he had done his moral duty.

Little did he know that those thankless years of pointing out the State’s lies and refusing to be absorbed into the Blob would in fact make him a hero one day. To see Ron speaking to many thousands of cheering kids, when all the while respectable opinion had been warning them to stay far away from this dangerous man, is more gratifying and encouraging than I can say. I was especially thrilled when a tempestuous Ron, responding to the Establishment’s description of his campaign as "dangerous," said, you’re darn right – I am dangerous, to them.

Some people used to tell Ron that if only he’d stop talking about foreign policy he might win more supporters. He knew it was all nonsense. Foreign policy was the issue that made Ron into a phenomenon. There would have been no Ron Paul movement in the first place had Ron not distinguished himself from the pack by refusing to accept the cartoonish narrative, peddled not only by Rudy Giuliani but also by the luminaries of both major political parties, accounting for the origins of 9/11.
How many bills did he pass, right-wing scoffers demand to know. A successful Republican politician, in between his usual activity of expanding government power, is supposed to have rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic five or six times, by means of bills with his name on them. At best, the bills these politicos boast about amounted to marginal changes of momentary significance, if even that. More commonly, even the bills they trumpeted turned out to be ambiguous or actually negative from a libertarian standpoint.

What is Ron’s legacy? Not some phony bill, of zero significance in the general avalanche of statism. For his legacy, look around you.

The Federal Reserve, an issue not discussed in American politics in a hundred years, is under greater scrutiny now than ever before. Austrian economics is enjoying a rebirth that dwarfs the attention it received when F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize in 1974 – and when you ask people how they heard about the Austrian School, the universal answer is Ron Paul. One man brought about this intellectual revolution. How’s that for a legacy?

And that’s not to mention how many people Ron introduced to libertarian thought in general, or how many hawks reconsidered their position on war because of Ron’s arguments and example.

Even the mainstream media has to acknowledge the existence of a whole new category of thinker: one that is antiwar, anti-Fed, anti-police state, and pro-market. The libertarian view is even on the map of those who despise it. That, too, is Ron’s doing.

Young people are reading major treatises in economics and philosophy because Ron Paul recommended them. Who else in public life can come close to saying that?

How many bills did he get passed? Talk about missing the point.

Where are the hordes of students dying to learn from Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, or Mitt Romney?

Remember, too, that in politics there’s always some excuse for why the message of liberty can’t be delivered. I have to satisfy the party leadership. I have to keep the media off my back. The moment is inopportune. My constituents aren’t ready to hear it – so instead of explaining myself and persuading them, I’ll just keep my mouth shut, or minimize my position to the point where I sound like any old politician, except ten percent better.

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And all the while, would-be donors are assured that this is all a facade, that the politician is really one of us and not what he appears to be. For the time being, you understand, he has to contradict his core beliefs in order to ingratiate himself into the favor of those whose support he will one day need.


Once elected, he still cannot really say what he thinks. Don’t you want him to get re-elected?

Ron never acted this way. At times he would explain the libertarian position in ways likely to resonate with a particular audience, but he never compromised or backed away.

It’s been said that if you ask Ron Paul a question, he gives you a straight answer. That’s an understatement. All through his presidential campaigns he sent the guardians of opinion into hysterics. Why, he can’t say that! That wasn’t even one of the choices! To the gatekeepers’ astonishment, his numbers kept on growing.

No politician is going to trick the public into embracing liberty, even if liberty were his true goal and not just a word he uses in fundraising letters. For liberty to advance, a critical mass of the public has to understand and support it. That doesn’t have to mean a majority, or even anywhere near it. But some baseline of support has to exist.

That is why Ron Paul’s work is so important and so lasting.

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Ten years from now, no one will remember the men who opposed Ron in the GOP primaries. Half of them are forgotten already. But fifty years from now (and longer), young kids will still be learning from Ron: reading his books, following his recommendations for further study, and taking inspiration from his courage and principle.


With Ron’s Congressional career drawing to a close, we should remember that we have witnessed something highly unusual, and exceedingly unlikely to be repeated. And we should also remember Ron’s parting advice: the real revolution is not in Washington, DC. It’s in the world of ideas.

That’s what Ron is devoting the rest of his life to, and it’s one more thing he has to teach us. So watch for news of Ron's new work for peace, his new homepage, and his new TV extravaganza. Far from retiring, he is stepping up his work for liberty. And there is a place for all of us.
December 21, 2012


Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. [[email="lew@lewrockwell.com]send him mail[/email]], former editorial assistant to Ludwig von Mises and congressional chief of staff to Ron Paul, is founder and chairman of the Mises Institute, executor for the estate of Murray N. Rothbard, and editor of LewRockwell.com. See his books.


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Thanks LoveIsTruth for your continued support and appreciation for Ron Paul. The failure of so many Latter-day Saints to understand, appreciate, and support him will, I believe, come back to haunt them.

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Thank you, guys! Truth is unconquerable; it always wins, because it is of God, and HE ALWAYS wins! And so will we if we are on HIS side.

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Government Security is Just Another Kind of Violence
by Ron Paul

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place. Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones.

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped.

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence. Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets. We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws.

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality. The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home. U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security? Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence? Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

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Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: “We Have Passed The Point Of No Return”

"In a little under three minutes, Ron Paul explains to a somewhat nonplussed CNBC anchor just how ridiculous the charade that is occurring in D.C. actually is. This succinct spin-free clip should be required viewing for each and every asset-manager, talking-head, propagandist, and mom-and-pop who are viewing the last-minute idiocy of the ‘fiscal cliff’ debacle with some hope that things will be different this time.
“We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order,” Paul begins, adding that “they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren’t. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it.” With social safety nets available to rich and poor, there is no impetus for change and “the country loses,” but Paul concludes, the markets are starting to say “there is a limit to this.”"

Starts at 5:45 mark.
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Ron Paul With an AR-15



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Announcing the Ron Paul Homeschool Curriculum

Over the past several weeks I have mentioned that I’ve been at work on a K-12 homeschool curriculum. That wasn’t the whole story. Today I can tell you the whole story: it is the Ron Paul Homeschool Curriculum.

There is nothing like this curriculum anywhere. Here are just a few of the factors that set it apart.

(1) Grades K-5 will be available for free. You have six years to try out the program without having to spend a dime.

(2) Students will learn the origins and travails of liberty in the Western world and in the United States in particular.

(3) Students will learn the economics of the Austrian School.

(4) Students can learn at their own pace. If they’re advanced and move more quickly, they can quiz out of the first two years of college and enter college as juniors.

(5) The emphasis in this program is not simply on teaching from a different point of view, or teaching material that no other school or curriculum offers, although the Ron Paul Curriculum does both of these things. But it also emphasizes oral and written communication, so that students will be able to spread and defend their ideas effectively. Students will have their own blogs, start YouTube channels, and even learn the basics of video production, website design, and Internet marketing.

(6) It’s cheap. For access to the forums, it’s $250 per year. Each course is just $50. No textbooks — they’re awful, and we use pdfs and primary documents to teach students — so you’ll save hundreds of dollars that way as well.

(7) Parents who wish they’d had the chance for this kind of education can listen to the lectures their children are hearing. We’ve made them of a length that works well with the average commute.

By September 2, we expect to have the material for grades 6-10 available. We’ll continue to add grades until December 2015 — our target date — when we expect to have the entire K-12 curriculum finished.

My own role will be to teach high school courses in Western civilization, the U.S. Constitution, government, and the history of American wars. All the courses on the site are available as part of the overall curriculum or a la carte, for those who would like individual courses.

These courses are centered around a 36-week schedule, five lessons (25 minutes each) per week per course. This means that for each course I will need to record 180 lessons. If you are wondering why I have not found the time to answer your email lately, I hope you will understand now. I have dropped not quite everything, but quite a bit in order to focus on this.

Here’s my three-minute pitch:



The website officially launched today. Right now the site has an excellent course on high school preparation, which covers such topics as how to study, personal goal-setting, time management, public speaking, speed reading, typing, note-taking and retrieval, software for essay writing, how to set up a YouTube channel, how to set up a WordPress blog site, and that most challenging skill, how to read a book. Between now and September 2 you can join the site and access that course for $25.

This, I am convinced, will prove to be Ron Paul’s most significant contribution to the cause of liberty — and that’s saying something. Please check out RonPaulCurriculum.com, and stay tuned for more news as we move forward with this exciting project.

For people wondering what Ron Paul has been up to since retiring from Congress, then, here’s your answer. And he has more announcements coming.

Tonight Dr. Paul will speak to a very large homeschool convention in Ohio. He has a book coming out on education. This is all part of the same package: Ron Paul’s revolution in homeschooling. Be a part of it.


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LoveIsTruth wrote:Announcing the Ron Paul Homeschool Curriculum

Over the past several weeks I have mentioned that I’ve been at work on a K-12 homeschool curriculum. That wasn’t the whole story. Today I can tell you the whole story: it is the Ron Paul Homeschool Curriculum.

There is nothing like this curriculum anywhere. Here are just a few of the factors that set it apart.

(1) Grades K-5 will be available for free. You have six years to try out the program without having to spend a dime.

(2) Students will learn the origins and travails of liberty in the Western world and in the United States in particular.

(3) Students will learn the economics of the Austrian School.

(4) Students can learn at their own pace. If they’re advanced and move more quickly, they can quiz out of the first two years of college and enter college as juniors.

(5) The emphasis in this program is not simply on teaching from a different point of view, or teaching material that no other school or curriculum offers, although the Ron Paul Curriculum does both of these things. But it also emphasizes oral and written communication, so that students will be able to spread and defend their ideas effectively. Students will have their own blogs, start YouTube channels, and even learn the basics of video production, website design, and Internet marketing.

(6) It’s cheap. For access to the forums, it’s $250 per year. Each course is just $50. No textbooks — they’re awful, and we use pdfs and primary documents to teach students — so you’ll save hundreds of dollars that way as well.

(7) Parents who wish they’d had the chance for this kind of education can listen to the lectures their children are hearing. We’ve made them of a length that works well with the average commute.

By September 2, we expect to have the material for grades 6-10 available. We’ll continue to add grades until December 2015 — our target date — when we expect to have the entire K-12 curriculum finished.

My own role will be to teach high school courses in Western civilization, the U.S. Constitution, government, and the history of American wars. All the courses on the site are available as part of the overall curriculum or a la carte, for those who would like individual courses.

These courses are centered around a 36-week schedule, five lessons (25 minutes each) per week per course. This means that for each course I will need to record 180 lessons. If you are wondering why I have not found the time to answer your email lately, I hope you will understand now. I have dropped not quite everything, but quite a bit in order to focus on this.

Here’s my three-minute pitch:



The website officially launched today. Right now the site has an excellent course on high school preparation, which covers such topics as how to study, personal goal-setting, time management, public speaking, speed reading, typing, note-taking and retrieval, software for essay writing, how to set up a YouTube channel, how to set up a WordPress blog site, and that most challenging skill, how to read a book. Between now and September 2 you can join the site and access that course for $25.

This, I am convinced, will prove to be Ron Paul’s most significant contribution to the cause of liberty — and that’s saying something. Please check out RonPaulCurriculum.com, and stay tuned for more news as we move forward with this exciting project.

For people wondering what Ron Paul has been up to since retiring from Congress, then, here’s your answer. And he has more announcements coming.

Tonight Dr. Paul will speak to a very large homeschool convention in Ohio. He has a book coming out on education. This is all part of the same package: Ron Paul’s revolution in homeschooling. Be a part of it.

So he's gone from running for President of the United States on other people's money...to peddling a home school Libertarian indoctrination program....that naturally pushes the Libertarian philosophy and their biased version of history...and little else (so far...)

Ron Paul's Home Schooling Curriculum Will Turn Your Kid into a Little Ron Paul
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and run by Tom Woods and Gary "the assassin" (Cheerleader for Hitler's Economics - http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north891.html;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201 ... len-brown/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) North...
Ron Paul Announces “Phase 2 of the Revolution”: a New Homeschooling Program

The Ron Paul Curriculum program will not grade students’ work or issue report cards or diplomas. By avoiding these activities, North writes, the program remains strictly informational, and as such is protected by the First Amendment (at least for now). If it began acting like an educational institution, he maintains, it could then be regulated by state governments. “I regard all such regulations as an illegitimate infringement on the right of parents to educate their children,” says North. “Any compromise here, philosophically speaking, is a compromise with tyranny.” For similar reasons, the school will not seek accreditation.
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Of course with Gary's Libertarian bias on history and our governing documents...most notably the Constitution...
The difficulties some people complained of under the Articles were trivial in comparison to what Americans suffer under its successor document. It’s time we acknowledged this, instead of thoughtlessly repeating the complaints against the Articles we learned by rote in junior high.
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...which is completely opposite of what Elder Oaks had to say about it...

The Divinely Inspired Constitution
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...one of them is right and the other is off his rocker because you can't reconcile the two perspectives...

...perhaps will see it take off with lots of little future Libertarian weenies eating up and propagating Gary's indoctrination (at least that's what the goal appears to be)...

...ignoring the reality that there is home school education programs light years ahead of their politically and historically biased version....
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Of course if you do like that Libertarian twist...Tom comes highly endorsed...

“During these times that challenge our freedoms there is no one more qualified to make U.S. history relevant to the fight against big government than Thomas Woods.”
-Barry Goldwater Jr.
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Goldwater remains a loyal party man and told Human Events last week he is now a strong Mitt Romney booster.

“We made a good, hard run at it but we’re a two-party nation, so I’m with Romney,” Goldwater told us. . He recalled how “my Dad used to say ‘Get ‘em in, then work on ‘em’ and that’s what I hope to with Romney.” As for Paul’s refusal to say who he will support, Goldwater reminded us “his son (Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul) is for Romney, and that’s pretty important.”
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CHICAGO (AP) _ Prosecutors say the last known contact with a woman missing since November was a call to Barry M. Goldwater Jr., son of the U.S. senator from Arizona, who says he was ''romantically involved'' with the woman.

Loretta Clark Guinan, 27, disappeared after agreeing to testify against her estranged husband, attorney Michael J. Guinan, before a federal grand jury.

Goldwater, a former congressman now working as an investment banker in Los Angeles, said Mrs. Guinan promised to meet him the next day. ''But that's the last I ever heard from her,'' he said.
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Barry Goldwater Jr., the son of the U.S. Senator from Arizona, testified in federal court Friday that he once was ``romantically involved`` with the missing wife of Michael Guinan, a convicted Chicago attorney who is considered a prime suspect in her disappearance.

Later, Algis Baliunas, Guinan`s attorney, suggested that Loretta Guinan used cocaine, regularly dated other men while she was married to Guinan and accepted cash from Goldwater to pay her bills.

Goldwater, a former congressman from Los Angeles who is now an investment banker, said he spent the night with Loretta Clarke Guinan about eight times a month during business trips he made to the Chicago area in the summer and fall of 1984.

When questioned by Assistant U.S. Atty. Joseph Duffy, Goldwater said the last time he heard from Mrs. Guinan was when she phoned him at her North Side apartment late at night on Nov. 4, 1984, and told Goldwater she ``was scared and frustrated and didn`t know what to do.``

Guinan, who regularly represented members of the infamous drug-dealing Herrera family, was charged with using dozens of phony names, such as Clark Kent and Robert Redford, and setting up bogus corporations in an attempt to hide cash income from the IRS.

Guinan originally was indicted in April, 1984, and the trial was scheduled for last fall. He had married Loretta Clarke in 1984 on his birthday, Jan. 4, after divorcing his first wife.

During the summer the couple separated, and Loretta agreed to testify against her husband before the federal grand jury. She refused an offer of government protection and was last seen just before she told prosecutors she was going to pick up some belongings from her estranged husband.

Guinan fled and was arrested April 22 in San Diego as he was about to go jogging.

Goldwater was one of 10 witnesses called to testify by Duffy and co-prosecutor Thomas Durkin in an effort to convince U.S. District Judge William Hart that the defendant has a history of wrongdoing and should receive a harsh sentence.

Goldwater said he flew to Chicago Nov. 4, 1984, and went immediately to Loretta Guinan`s apartment at 1111 N. Dearborn St., used a spare key to enter and waited until about 11:30 p.m., when she called him from a telephone booth. ``It was obvious she was scared and did not know what to do, and I was getting angry and tried to provoke her into coming home,`` Goldwater said.

``She did not sound herself. She kept repeating herself, and I got the feeling someone was standing next to her.``

Goldwater said he never saw or heard from her again.

When questioned by Baliunas, Goldwater said he met Loretta Guinan at a birthday party for one of her friends at a North Side nightclub in June of 1984. He said they subsequently spent numerous nights together during his trips to Chicago.

Goldwater said he gave her ``several hundred dollars to help her out with some of her bills.`` He conceded that she regularly dated other men and that he knew she was married, but he denied that she used cocaine.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985 ... rt-testify" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Junior was an Arizona congressman from 1969 to 1983, opened his own consulting firm after that in Beverly Hills, and served as a member of the New York Stock Exchange. In his biography at http://www.barrymgoldwaterjr.com/BMGBiography.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, there is no mention of his participation in a company pushing tribute coins. However, at http://www.nationalcollectorsmint.com/meetbarry.jsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, you can see the smiling face of Barry M. Goldwater, Jr., director and numismatist.

And who owns National Collector’s Mint? Well, none other than Avram Freedberg, the owner of Dirty Dick’s Dynamite Discount Den, a company in Stamford, Connecticut, that was raided in 1988 for selling pornography. After agreeing to close the business and paying a $600,000 fine, Freedberg avoided jail time and moved on to this new venture.

In 2004, his company marketed Freedom Tower Silver Dollars (coincidentally, also sold for $19.95) which were purportedly made from silver bars recovered from the rubble of the World Trade Center collapse. See what a New Times opinion piece and article had to say about Freedberg's attempt to capitalize on the September 11, 2001 event.

Freedberg followed up with a presidential coin featuring Barack Obama on one side and Abraham Lincoln on the other. That minting was even more premature than the Nobel Peace Prize Committee’s decision last year, although both share a common element: naked opportunism.

Still tempted to cash in on this excellent deal for investors and collectors?
http://randyhuntcpa.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... -with.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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You should talk bout doctrine. You are talking garbage instead.

Ron Paul is doctrinally correct, you are doctrinally wrong.

Moving on.

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LoveIsTruth wrote:You should talk bout doctrine. You are talking garbage instead.

Ron Paul is doctrinally correct, you are doctrinally wrong.

Moving on.
I'll take my chances with Elder Oaks perspective...good luck with yours!

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Legion wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:You should talk bout doctrine. You are talking garbage instead.

Ron Paul is doctrinally correct, you are doctrinally wrong.

Moving on.
I'll take my chances with Elder Oaks perspective...good luck with yours!
Doctrine and Covenants 76:100,101

These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch; But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.

You talk about "Elder Oaks' perspective," yet you are clueless about fundamental and eternal principles of Liberty that come from God himself.

That is stupid. Good luck with that.

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Legion wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:You should talk bout doctrine. You are talking garbage instead.

Ron Paul is doctrinally correct, you are doctrinally wrong.

Moving on.
I'll take my chances with Elder Oaks perspective...good luck with yours!
LoveIsTruth wrote:Doctrine and Covenants 76:100,101

These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch; But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.

You talk about "Elder Oaks' perspective," yet you are clueless about fundamental and eternal principles of Liberty that come from God himself.

That is stupid. Good luck with that.
Speaking of God and fundamental principles......
According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the brights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testam ... ang=eng#79" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Among the majority who favored continued independence, the most divisive issue was whether the United States should have a strong central government to replace the weak “league of friendship” established by the Articles of Confederation. Under the Confederation of 1781, there was no executive or judicial authority, and the national Congress had no power to tax or to regulate commerce. The thirteen states retained all their sovereignty, and the national government could do nothing without their approval. The Articles of Confederation could not be amended without the unanimous approval of all the states, and every effort to strengthen this loose confederation had failed.

Congress could not even protect itself. In July 1783, an armed mob of former Revolutionary War soldiers seeking back wages threatened to take Congress hostage at its meeting in Philadelphia. When Pennsylvania declined to provide militia to protect them, the congressmen fled. Thereafter Congress was a laughingstock, wandering from city to city.

Unless America could adopt a central government with sufficient authority to function as a nation, the thirteen states would remain a group of insignificant, feuding little nations united by nothing more than geography and forever vulnerable to the impositions of aggressive foreign powers. No wonder the first purpose stated in the preamble of the new United States Constitution was “to form a more perfect union.”
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/02/the-d ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We have recently celebrated the bicentennial of the signing of the United States Constitution. That commemoration marked the beginning of a series of bicentennial anniversaries of events leading up to the ratification of the Constitution, implementation of the government it created, and the writing and ratification of the Bill of Rights. We look forward to the future commemoration of each of these important events during the next four years. It is as a result of these events that we are able to meet today in peace as members of the restored Church of Jesus Christ. For this we should all be eternally grateful.

I desire, therefore, to speak to you about our divine Constitution, which the Lord said “belongs to all mankind” (D&C 98:5; italics added) “and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles” (D&C 101:77; italics added).

The Constitution of the United States has served as a model for many nations and is the oldest constitution in use today.

Our Father in Heaven planned the coming forth of the Founding Fathers and their form of government as the necessary great prologue leading to the restoration of the gospel. Recall what our Savior Jesus Christ said nearly two thousand years ago when He visited this promised land: “For it is wisdom in the Father that they should be established in this land, and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father, that these things might come forth” (3 Ne. 21:4). America, the land of liberty, was to be the Lord’s latter-day base of operations for His restored church.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1 ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Constitution—A Glorious Standard
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1 ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No constitution on earth has endured longer than this one. We seek, and usually find, the answers to today’s questions in this document of yesterday. It was and is a miracle. Both Washington and Madison referred to it as such. It is an inspired document written under the guidance of the Lord. James Madison, commonly called the father of the Constitution, recognized this inspiration and gave the credit to “the guardianship and guidance of the Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising republic.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 95.)

We believe that the Constitution was brought about by God to ensure a nation where liberty could abound and where his gospel could flourish. Joseph Smith said, “The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard—it is founded in the wisdom of God—it is a heavenly banner.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 75.)
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1 ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...........contrasted with........

The Constitution was a rejection of the rule of God for the rule of man
Gary North, Moses and Pharoah, Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1985

The U.S. Constitution: Tool of Centralization and Debt, 1788-Today
http://www.garynorth.com/public/7833.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Revolutions in the past have been through the centralization of power. The one exception to this was the American Revolution, but that exception only lasted for five years: 1783—1788. The Constitution centralized power enormously in comparison to the Articles of Confederation. After 1788, the process of centralization increased relentlessly. There is not a single period in American history from 1789 until this year in which there was any serious reduction of Federal power.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north786.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The difficulties some people complained of under the Articles were trivial in comparison to what Americans suffer under its successor document. It’s time we acknowledged this, instead of thoughtlessly repeating the complaints against the Articles we learned by rote in junior high.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... stitution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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The Constitution was a largely inspired document but it was imperfect. The Founders themselves said that. They said they looked forward to the day when the Constitution will be IMPROVED.

The Constitution contained the seeds of its own destruction firmly planted in it. These seeds were slavery and violation of Liberty and Justice via violation of Private Property, via twin abominations of public taxation and public regulation of Private Property.

Private Property is Liberty. Violation of Private Property is violation of Liberty and is the definition of injustice. Public taxation of Private Property is THEFT, legal plunder, institutionalized injustice, aggressive violence, which is evil by definition.

If Liberty, Justice, this country, and the Constitution for that matter, are to survive in this land, these gross errors in the Constitution must be corrected.

Read more here: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 09#p352509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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LoveIsTruth wrote:The Constitution was a largely inspired document but it was imperfect. The Founders themselves said that. They said they looked forward to the day when the Constitution will be IMPROVED.

The Constitution contained the seeds of its own destruction firmly planted in it. These seeds were slavery and violation of Liberty and Justice via violation of Private Property, via twin abominations of public taxation and public regulation of Private Property.

Private Property is Liberty. Violation of Private Property is violation of Liberty and is the definition of injustice. Public taxation of Private Property is THEFT, legal plunder, institutionalized injustice, aggressive violence, which is evil by definition.

If Liberty, Justice, this country, and the Constitution for that matter, are to survive in this land, these gross errors in the Constitution must be corrected.

Read more here: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 09#p352509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I reckon its good to know which side of the fence you fall on...for better or worse.

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Indeed. I will stay with Liberty, Justice and good. You choose for yourself, however. But remember you will receive your reward of him whom you list to obey.

Thanks.

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