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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 3:09 pm
by Robert Sinclair
Come to understand perfectly why it is written that the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds destroy all the blind sheep and they both shall be judged, found guilty, and thrust into the fiery abyss.
Only awaken from this illusion of all is well in the house of the leadership of Ephraim and weep and howl and sound the alarm and blow the trumpet in Zion, that these old men and administers of the law of God might just give ear and consider-
Hath this perversion of equity been in our day and time and even in the days of our fathers?
Yes, yes it has.
Be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly before the time has passed for you to prove that you will so do.
Give freely as God has commanded of food and for raiment for houses and for lands, in whatsoever circumstances the Lord has placed you.
You will be everlastingly glad you did I promise you. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 4:39 pm
by Ezra
I promise you as God has that if you use unrightious dominion you will have no reward no matter how many poor you forced others to give money too.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 4:48 pm
by Robert Sinclair
The Gospel of Jesus Christ does not use force only freewill. But if you of your own freewill rob the rights of the needy that he has given them, from them, you shall pay dearly at his judgment bar.
Rob not the poor of their rights given them of God, to be equal with you in your temporal things and this not grudgingly.
Establish the "Ordinances of Justice" in your government that will defend vigorously the rights of the needy as God has commanded. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 4:51 pm
by lundbaek
God gave people rights, including the right of control of honestly acquired property. Anyone robbing them of the rights God has given them to control their own property, directly or thru government "shall be destroyed suddenly without warning in the time soon to come." Now that's a pretty safe bet.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 4:57 pm
by Ezra
No where in scripture dose it say to use government to force others to take care of the poor. No where in scripture dose it say to use government to force all men into equality.
Taxes tax the poor as well as the rich. They rob from the poor as well as the rich.
The U.S. has satan at its head. Joseph feilding smith as prophet said this.
You think that trusting satan to the redistribution of wealth is a good idea?
All men are free to give there wealth to the poor. God dose not use force. Gods government dose not use force.
Don't be so blinded as to uphold using force to care for the needy.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 5:12 pm
by Robert Sinclair
Jesus Christ does not rob people of their right to keep and control vast tracts of land and billions of dollars worth of assets.
He only has promised that if they wish to join with the church of the living God and dwell with him for the thousand years promised, they must give of all their surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of their families for first and foremost the poor and needy among us to receive covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into their hands sufficient for the support of their families, then to go and purchase lands and build buildings for worshipping God or the public benefit of the people.
It would be good to see and understand all these things which he has commanded be done.
For once the time of setting up common consent votes for establishing the rights of the needy or from the votes of your elected leaders has passed, and your day of probation has passed it will be too late to say I would have if I only knew that is what you wanted me to do.
Don't be blind to the words and commandments of God.
Do a book report on all the things Jesus Christ has said to do, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and all the things Jesus Christ has said to know.
Go over and over and over again this personal written book report until all his words are memorized upon the table of your heart and mind and soul.
You will be able to see the power given unto this Beast of ignorance spoken of in the book of Revelation to overcome the Saints because they did not come to know, so easily led astray from the commandments of God.
Learn them all and keep them dilligently and be valiant in the testimony of Jesus Christ even at the cost of your very lives from those you may have thought were your friends and family and not just your known enemies. Be ready to forgive these that would harm you for the testimony of Jesus Christ even until death in the most aggravating and distressing manner that could be inflicted upon you.
You will be called to the wedding feast invitation of the Lamb of God and dwell on this earth for the thousand years promised until the season and the end cometh.
Where those who will still refuse to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly will be gathered up and cast away into their own place and those who are willing to keep his commandments and be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly are gathered up and taken into the celestial kingdom of God.
Be wise in these days of your probation and defend the rights of the poor and needy among us with your lives if need be in harmlessness.
You will be everlastingly glad you did. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 9:14 pm
by Ezra
Robert Sinclair wrote:Jesus Christ does not rob people of their right to keep and control vast tracts of land and billions of dollars worth of assets.
(So why vote and use givernment force?)
He only has promised that if they wish to join with the church of the living God and dwell with him for the thousand years promised, they must give of all their surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of their families for first and foremost the poor and needy among us to receive covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into their hands sufficient for the support of their families, then to go and purchase lands and build buildings for worshipping God or the public benefit of the people.
(Yes and all men are currently free to do this without the force of government. )
It would be good to see and understand all these things which he has commanded be done.
(Yes it would.)
For once the time of setting up common consent votes for establishing the rights of the needy or from the votes of your elected leaders has passed, and your day of probation has passed it will be too late to say I would have if I only knew that is what you wanted me to do.
(Why vote when we are already free to do this? )
Don't be blind to the words and commandments of God.
(I'm not I give to the poor and try to lift them up.)
Do a book report on all the things Jesus Christ has said to do, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and all the things Jesus Christ has said to know.
(Do a book report on all God has said about the constitution and his political views in the Book of Mormon and D&c.);
Go over and over and over again this personal written book report until all his words are memorized upon the table of your heart and mind and soul.
You will be able to see the power given unto this Beast of ignorance spoken of in the book of Revelation to overcome the Saints because they did not come to know, so easily led astray from the commandments of God.
Learn them all and keep them dilligently and be valiant in the testimony of Jesus Christ even at the cost of your very lives from those you may have thought were your friends and family and not just your known enemies. Be ready to forgive these that would harm you for the testimony of Jesus Christ even until death in the most aggravating and distressing manner that could be inflicted upon you.
You will be called to the wedding feast invitation of the Lamb of God and dwell on this earth for the thousand years promised until the season and the end cometh.
Where those who will still refuse to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly will be gathered up and cast away into their own place and those who are willing to keep his commandments and be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly are gathered up and taken into the celestial kingdom of God.
(This will again happen with each individual. Using the force of government to compel them into compliance won't change there hearts. It only takes away money to do it on there own. They are even less likely to do it on there own since the government stole the money from them to do it with.)
Be wise in these days of your probation and defend the rights of the poor and needy among us with your lives if need be in harmlessness.
(I defend their rights. I don't support taxation. Or any other political scheem to redistribute wealth. Which never works as they intend since the richest people are always exempt.)
You will be everlastingly glad you did. ♡
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I am glad. Robert we both agree that the poor need to be helped. We agree that it should be done by free will.
We do not seem to agree what free will is.
Every man has agency. Every man is free to give his stuff away.
This is a God given agency. Gods really good at doing things. Perfect really. Why use man made laws by a majority vote to force people using government to compel men to give to the poor when they are already capable of doing so on there own if they choise to?
The 2000 stripling warriors are a great example. Their parent coveneted with the lord to not ever take up arms aginst their enimeys. And they didn't. But the 2000 stripling warriors didn't make this covenant. And we're not bond by it and fought.
We are all free to covenant to give all we can to the poor. If we took a vote as a church all who agree would be bound by it. All those who didn't wouldnt. This is gods plan.
If we did the same with the government and took a vote if the majority won all people would be forced to particapate if they wanted to or not. And so would there children and there children's children. All would be forced to give to the poor. This is satans plan.
Covenant with the lord to give to the poor, don't try to use satans plan and the force of government to accomplish giving to the poor. If it's done at gunpoint "force"there is no reward for those who voted for or aginst it because it's satans plan.
It only works and is is good and godly when it's accomplished by free will. By covenant with God. Not a covenant with satan/ government.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 9:59 pm
by Robert Sinclair
If you believe that this constitution, that gives power of taxation upon all except Indians not taxed, is of Satan and not of God, because of the potential of individuals who do not want there to be any taxes potentially placed on them, because they don't vote or were not of the majority, I guess you could ask for special exemption like the Indians are exempt. Not sure the way to go about making this request of Congress. But all things are possible if you would just believe.
It is a free country and certain religious beliefs are covered if you become a church I think of your own freewill.
But if you wish to join in and participate in where your taxes are spent you may offer up legislation on whatever issues you wish. And discuss this with your representatives and make your thoughts and proposals known.
I happen to see where for someone who might have multiple homes or even thousands of homes and desire to give some away but stops when they hear they may have to pay gift tax penalties and the poor and needy individuals they give to, tax penalties as well, the tax code should be amended to not penalize them. For goodness sake there are over 18,600,000 vacant homes in America.
No force put upon anyone just don't make it hard for rich people to give, where they would hesitate and not wish to give because of the penalties.
Look at my posts and you will see. I am not out to force any to give in this manner, just desire to see it become the normal thing to do because of tax deductions they can take rewarding these for doing good, so they can go and do it again and again and again if they so desire. ♡
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And as far as not wanting the government to help the poor and needy yourself I am not sure why you would say this at all.
You must know that there are people out there in serious need that have fallen through the cracks that churches and people on their own won't help.
Here in Oregon there are thousands of homeless that wander the forests to camp and to survive in with no clean clothes or even transportation sometimes.
I hear the government of Utah is putting the homeless into apartments and the like rather than in jail as it is the lest costly thing to do, what are your thoughts on that government help?
There are millions of senior citizens on government assistance would you wish the government to just cut them off?
I would hope not nor those truly needy that God has said have the right to inheritances in the land and for food and clothing for a start.
Even in the child's game of Monopoly all the players are handed equal amounts of money to play fairly. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 10:33 pm
by Ezra
We wouldn't be having this conversation if you would read and study the constitution the federalist papers and what the BOM and D&c say about the constitution and our role and responcabilitys are.
Indians were not exempt on gods created constitution. Remember anything more or less then this cometh evil. D&c98.God created the constitution And the first 10 amendments. All others after the first 10 have only made evil. All laws that have been made that come from those new added amendments have made more evil. All laws made that twist the origonal constitution cometh evil. If you don't know our God inspired founding fathers intent on the constitution you will be hard pressed to know which laws have been good or evil unless you really study there fruits with open eyes.
The power to tax was not on all citizens. It was to tax business and tarrifs on imported goods. For the general welfare of the us. General welfare ment public safty and defence. So that we could have the General welfare we needed to be free to work as hard and be as prosperous as we wanted. Or not.
You say people are afraid to give to the poor because of fear of taxation. Well they wasnt supposed to be any direct taxation of the people in the first place.
we shouldn't have to worry about having a say in how are money is spent because they shouldn't have it in the first place.
States have the 10 amendment rights to do add to individuals inside there own state. It's great. But don't be so harsh on those living in the forests of oregon since my good freind is one of them and chooses that life. He and a group of about 20-50 people live like the native Americans did every summer out in the hells canyon area. People from Portland and all over come and join in with there group for shorter periods of time to learn there skills. They don't call it survival they call it thrival as they thrive out there.
You would not belive the amount of wild edibles in oregon that are out there. They forage for food maybe an hour a day for their daily 3 meals.
It's a very wonderful thing to live that way so simply so close to nature. And guess what there are no poor among them. I'm going to go live with them this summer with my family for a month.
I see it this way. Give the poor a fish and they will eat it. Give them a fishing pole and teach them how to use it they will feed themselfs.
It's the American rich fat worldly media painted idea of happiness and prosperity that has made us poor.
I could never make another dollar in my life have no house and car and yet I would never be poor. Yet to the media educated population of the USA Would think I would be.
Wealth is knowledge of God. Not metirial things of the world.
I love my wealth I have acquired by reading and studying the scriptures. And getting rid of as many worldly posestions as I can.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 10:44 pm
by Robert Sinclair
Where in the constitution is it written business only shall be taxed and not individuals?
And personal interpretation of the United States Constitution I see different.
I see the start of it saying perfectly that it is to be established for the welfare of the people and for peace and goodwill to be present.
To me after reading the words of God welfare means the right of the needy that he has commanded they be given. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 10:48 pm
by Robert Sinclair
Do you not believe that God has given the needy rights that should not be forsaken nor gone a whoring away from?
The Mother of Harlots and Abominations has forsaken the poor and needy among us.
Join not with her forces. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 10:54 pm
by Ezra
Robert Sinclair wrote:Where in the constitution is it written business only shall be taxed and not individuals?
And personal interpretation of the United States Constitution I see different.
I see the start of it saying perfectly that it is to be established for the welfare of the people and for peace and goodwill to be present.
To me after reading the words of God welfare means the right of the needy that he has commanded they be given. ♡
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It's not its in the federalist papers which are the founding fathers essays on what the intent of the constitution and deffinitions of it are.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 10:59 pm
by Robert Sinclair
If you became President of the United States of America would you say it is not our role to care for the welfare of the poor and needy among us?
Would you say of those seniors of little or no means or those born into poor families and not wealthy, they have brought upon themselves their own misery?
And stay the hand of government from helping these poor and needy among us?
Would you say then government has no role helping these needy among us?
Please consider the consequences of rejecting the celestial law given of God, to be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly for food and for raiment for houses and for lands in whatsoever circumstances the Lord has placed you. ♡
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You will be glad you did. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 11:02 pm
by Robert Sinclair
The federalist papers sound exactly like what is written that Ephraim shall say and do that will end up perverting all equity by the heads of Jacob and princes of the house of Israel.
I would be careful to weigh them perfectly on the scales of justice with the words of God. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 11:24 pm
by Ezra
Robert Sinclair wrote:Do you not believe that God has given the needy rights that should not be forsaken nor gone a whoring away from?
The Mother of Harlots and Abominations has forsaken the poor and needy among us.
Join not with her forces. ♡
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Sounds like your accusing me of being on satans side.
Are you even reading my posts?
If so do I give to the poor?
Did I say the poor have no rights?
Robert define in plan English who the poor are?
To me it is the wordly rich people are who are poor. Poor in spirit and knowledge of God. Why because they don't know God. They are not humble they are wordly. And thy don't give to the less fortunate.
The less fortunate are rich. As they are more humble. They live simply. They are more likly to know God as they are not as concerned with the things of the world. Some are concerned with the things of the world And those who are are truly poor
2 nephi 9: 30 But wo unto the rich, (worldy rich) who are rich as to the things of the world. For because they are rich they despise the poor, and they persecute the meek, and their hearts are upon their treasures; wherefore, their treasure is their god. And behold, their treasure shall perish with them also.
D&c 6: 7 Seek not for riches but for wisdom, and behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you, and then shall you be made rich. Behold, he that hath eternal life is rich.
Rich is knowledge of God to gain salvation. Poor is worldly material wealth and damnation.
And yes poor can also be defined as unwealthy. But they are already a leg up on those who are rich in the things of the world.
My buddy living in the woods of Oregon is a perfect example.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 11:27 pm
by Ezra
If you were president would you take all money from everyone and distribute it equally by force? Satans plan.
Or would you allow people to have As much money as they could by not taxing them so they could take care of the poor on there own? Gods plan.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 11:30 pm
by Ezra
Robert Sinclair wrote:The federalist papers sound exactly like what is written that Ephraim shall say and do that will end up perverting all equity by the heads of Jacob and princes of the house of Israel.
I would be careful to weigh them perfectly on the scales of justice with the words of God. ♡
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We were advised to read and study the federalis papers by our prophet in confrence. Along with the constitution.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 22nd, 2015, 11:37 pm
by Ezra
Robert Sinclair wrote:If you became President of the United States of America would you say it is not our role to care for the welfare of the poor and needy among us?
Would you say of those seniors of little or no means or those born into poor families and not wealthy, they have brought upon themselves their own misery?
And stay the hand of government from helping these poor and needy among us?
Would you say then government has no role helping these needy among us?
Please consider the consequences of rejecting the celestial law given of God, to be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly for food and for raiment for houses and for lands in whatsoever circumstances the Lord has placed you. ♡
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You will be glad you did. ♡
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The government of the USA has no constitutional power to tax individuals and provide a welfare program. The states do in the 10th amendment. This is part of the balance of power. Those closest to us in government where we have the most say makes those kind of laws. Not an all powerful trannical government.
That is how God wanted it.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 12:31 am
by Robert Sinclair
Would you have an immediate stop put to helping all the senior citizens and poor in government housing and being kept fed and off the streets?
That would be very sad to see indeed.
I would hope better of you and of hearing about how you would see to it that there were no poor and suffering among us. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 12:36 am
by Robert Sinclair
And remember some of these seniors live on as little as $600.00 a month and even less in some instances.
Would you take that from them?
I would hope better of you. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 8:36 am
by Ezra
Since we are already forcibly taxed for money to killing baby's we should just continue paying into that?
Since we are not doing as what we were supposed to we should just continue?
Since we have generations into sinning with a forced welfare programs that rob from everyone by force to give to the elderly we should continue because we are already doing it?
If I was president I would give back the money the current elderly put in and as much of the money back to everyone eles who payed into social security by age. Then stop it. And stop the taxation of individuals. And go back to what made America great. I would bring home all troops. I would send out no forgein aid. I would get rid of many many givernemt offices. Tsa cia fbi cut the defence budget. Make it to where the government only income was on from business taxes and on tarrifs of incoming goods. And ran within that budget. I would open up and sell off to citizens the vast tracts of public lands or turn them over to the states. No blm of forest service. The Satates could have the same types of programs if they wanted. And we would be back on a gold silver standard. The federal reserve would be gone. And we would take back that constitutional right to manage and coin our own money.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 8:53 am
by Robert Sinclair
Is it force for God to say pay your tithes and all your surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family or you will not enter into the celestial kingdom of heaven?
Think. Consider. Awaken to the fact that assets collected are what they are.
You are not free to do as you please and escape judgment in the end.
You can either give cooperation and participate in the process of what programs we should fund and give your fair share willingly and your voice in a wise but harmless and helpful manner, or not.
You are where God wants you to be to show what you can do with the nation and the people around you that God has placed you with.
You can choose to seek to do good continually or not.
The reality of what has been and is and is yet to come you should know and labor with your might and voice like Melchizedek and Enoch and especially this one Jesus Christ to do good continually till the end of your life. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 11:19 am
by Ezra
Robert do you see a diffrence between freely giving to the poor as an individual vs the government giving to the poor through taxation or force?
When you involve government they then have to manage the money the collection of money the distribution of money. They have to pay all those people to do that. The administration costs greatly diminish what accually goes to the poor. Not to mention we don't have any say in who or what that money accually goes too. That money that we wanted to go to the poor gets spent on programs that pay for abortions. Or to arm and train our future enimeys. To assassinate people whom our elected officials decide to deem as an enimey.
It's a very currupt system.
Where as we could just keep that money and give it directly to the poor ourselfs or to local or state run programs to help the poor.
Which would you rather see? Which would you have? What problems do you see with that?
You ask if it's force for God to ask us to give our surplus to the poor. No because he asks. He commands but without punishment tell after the test is done.
Whereas if you involve government you get fined and imprisioned If you don't give to the "GOVERNMENT" you could give directly to the poor and it wouldn't matter to them they would still put you in jail because you didn't give to the government directly.
Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 11:40 am
by Robert Sinclair
As I had told you I was not forced to give to the government after they found out that it was all given to the poor and needy.
They allowed me to file bankruptcy.
Possibly you could do the same if you believe it could be done by you as well.
Local and state government programs are still government programs.
Get involved, do what you can do to make this a better world to live in, whether by voted upon taxes or by freewill offerings, it is assets to be used for good or for evil by those in power and authority to so use.
Raise your voice and seek to establish equity and justice and goodwill and peace. ♡
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Re: From 1945, Know Your Constitution, by Bruce R. McConkie
Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 2:22 pm
by freedomforall
Robert Sinclair wrote:Would you have an immediate stop put to helping all the senior citizens and poor in government housing and being kept fed and off the streets?
That would be very sad to see indeed.
I would hope better of you and of hearing about how you would see to it that there were no poor and suffering among us. ♡
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Don't worry Robert, in the near future under the NWO, we're going to have all the free housing we can handle called FEMA camps. Then we can play "ring around the rosies" all day long and beg for food from the armed guards assigned to keep us in check.
How is that for free housing and the government taking care of us? But before that we have a chance to die on our feet, rather than our knees.
A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject,...John R Lott
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