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In the not to distant future Jesus Christ will come to rule, and his government will use the Feast of Tabernacles as the law of the land which requires freewill offerings of "all your surplus wealth" beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family.

Be ready to live this law willingly of your own freewill and hearts.

You will be everlastingly glad you did. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:In the not to distant future Jesus Christ will come to rule, and his government will use the Feast of Tabernacles as the law of the land which requires freewill offerings of "all your surplus wealth" beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family.

Be ready to live this law willingly of your own freewill and hearts.

You will be everlastingly glad you did. ♡ ♡

I'm looking forward to it and excited about it.

His government is not the usa government. The U.S. government is prophesied to be destroyed. Why because satan sits at its head.

Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all
over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is
not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan
himself.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol I


Give to the poor personally. Don't use satans government you will be eternally glad you did. I promise.

For now I give to the poor directly and promote programs that take care of the poor through the common consent vote of the majority.

I asked a Jehovah Witness friend of how he believes not voting is all ok with his fellow congregation, and he told me they just trust in the goodness and goodwill of their fellow citizens until Jehovah comes to reign.

Interesting is it not? ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:For now I give to the poor directly and promote programs that take care of the poor through the common consent vote of the majority.

I asked a Jehovah Witness friend of how he believes not voting is all ok with his fellow congregation, and he told me they just trust in the goodness and goodwill of their fellow citizens until Jehovah comes to reign.

Interesting is it not? ♡ ♡

Democracy is not a constitutional republic. Never will be. Unrightous dominion through a majority vote may keep you out of the celetial kingdom.

Remember
3 nephi 13:

24 No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.

We no longer have the government that God created. We had a constitutional republic. Which went to a democracy and is not a socialistic democracy. And soon we will have communizem. If you took scriptures wrote a bunch more that contradicts And pervers what God said. And pass those scriptures out as truth who do you serve?

Think on this robert. The 3 verses prior to 3nephi 13:24

3 nephi 13:
22 The light of the body is the eye; if, therefore, thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If, therefore, the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

If your drive to give to the poor oversteps the line between gods government(free agency) into satans(forced). If in your eyes that ok. Are you single?
No
your understanding is not complet enough to walk the same path as God.

The eye in the above scriptures is the way we view the world.
If you view the world with the light of God you are single in his will.

If your veiw of the world has darkness in it so do you and you are not doing his works or will as you don't know them.

Again we agree on giving to the poor. But I won't get near or touch using the force of government to do that. You do. And from what I gather correct me if I'm wrong. You see that's ok because christ will come back to rule? Or you think that humanity won't raise up to take care of the poor without some force?

Either way force is used. And either way your vote enslaves those who voted no into doing what you and the majority want.
That is unrightous dominion.

You can't server 2 masters. You can't vote to use the force of one and praise the other.

Either the Constitution of the United States of America is of God which allows you to be taxed or it is not, you decide. ♡ ♡

It is my opinion that the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution, which permits Congress to collect taxes on income regardless of the source of the income, gave Congress an additional power in spite of Article 1, Sections 2, 8, and 9, which forbid direct taxes that are not assessed in proportion to the census, "cometh of evil".

In just the year 1987 alone the Prophet, President Benson, told us that we MUST do all we can to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the way of life it makes possible, to learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and then to abide by its precepts.

I hope you will agree that we generally are clearly not doing these things, and never really have to any great extent. And we are generally not being encouraged or admonished to do so, other than by a scattering of stake and ward firesides and perhaps the occasional sacrament meeting talk on the subject. Did I miss hearing or reading an instruction that we should no longer heed those instructions ?

Robert Sinclair wrote:Either the Constitution of the United States of America is of God which allows you to be taxed or it is not, you decide. ♡ ♡

As I have and lundbaek has pointed out God did not intend "you" or me or any individual to be taxed. And again if you read and understood the federalist papers which we were asked to read in confrence by our prophet. You would also understand that General welfare as stated in the constitution dose not mean a welfare program. It means safty of the people. Defence. God has warned us through our prophets about the welfare state About socializem comunizem. How far do you want to hang off that cliff?

Ezra Taft benson said "that to be on the wrong side of the battle for agency in the preexistence meant eternal damnation. How can you expect to be on the wrong side in this life and escape eternal consequences".

It's not a big surprise that the test that we passed to come to earth we are now tested on again except without the knowledge we had then with the veil. To see is we truly are the lords people and will again choose to activly be on the lords side.

Robert I hope you will choose the lords side. Stay as far from the cliff as possible. Give to the poor. Encourage others to do the same. But don't use satans plan of force through government to do it.

In Tithes and Offerings and the Feast of Tabernacles you have freewill offerings.

In the Constitution of the United States of America you have taxes, except for Indians not taxed per Article 1 section 2.

I don't know where you were taught to understand Law and Contracts and Covenants and Understanding and Agreements, but the way I read the Constitution of the United States of America taxation of all except Indians not taxed, looks to me as the established Constitution.

I believe that the IRS and Government Officials read it the same.

It's a far stretch when it specifically states excluding Indians not taxed to say it does not cover the rest of the citizens of the United States of America.

So taxes are ordained and acceptable to God in this Constitution of the United States of America if set up by him in this manner until he returns to rule as King as I see it.

The facts are on the pages of this Constitution for all to see and read and understand.

Power is granted to lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare of the United States; Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States-

subject of bankruptcies which in my case they allowed me.

It is all there to read and see.

All excluding Indians not taxed.

Like I said either God had his hand upon this document or he did not, you decide.

The general welfare of seniors and helpless American individuals is the responsibility of us all.

Remember the Scriptures written "the right of the needy do they not judge" and consider it deeply.

Be sure with all your heart, might, mind and strength and church and government you first and foremost put God, of the right of the needy that it may be well with you at the judgment bar of Christ. ♡ ♡

Who am I of Manasseh going to listen to Ephraim who it is written shall be given the greater things of his law but go a whoring away from it, or God on high and Jesus Christ whom Moroni testified to Joseph Smith 4 times in less than a 24 hour period, that all must hearken unto or be destroyed?

Ephraim need acknowledge their offence against God speedily, and return to keep the fullness of his gospel of the celestial law given, before it's too late, and the doors have been shut. Yes, even as the days of Noah when few there were that would listen.

There is a reason The Book of Enoch the Prophet has come out since Joseph Smith said it would, declaring that the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds would destroy the blind sheep and they both, would be judged, found guilty, and thrust into the fiery abyss.

I did not write those words, Enoch did.

Why did he write those things and what does it mean?

Are the people of Ephraim all equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly?

Truth is what it is.

Time to awaken speedily.

You will be glad you did. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:In Tithes and Offerings and the Feast of Tabernacles you have freewill offerings.

In the Constitution of the United States of America you have taxes, except for Indians not taxed per Article 1 section 2.

I don't know where you were taught to understand Law and Contracts and Covenants and Understanding and Agreements, but the way I read the Constitution of the United States of America taxation of all except Indians not taxed, looks to me as the established Constitution.

I believe that the IRS and Government Officials read it the same.

It's a far stretch when it specifically states excluding Indians not taxed to say it does not cover the rest of the citizens of the United States of America.

So taxes are ordained and acceptable to God in this Constitution of the United States of America if set up by him in this manner until he returns to rule as King as I see it.

The facts are on the pages of this Constitution for all to see and read and understand.

Power is granted to lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare of the United States; Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States-

subject of bankruptcies which in my case they allowed me.

It is all there to read and see.

All excluding Indians not taxed.

Like I said either God had his hand upon this document or he did not, you decide.

The general welfare of seniors and helpless American individuals is the responsibility of us all.

Remember the Scriptures written "the right of the needy do they not judge" and consider it deeply.

Be sure with all your heart, might, mind and strength and church and government you first and foremost put God, of the right of the needy that it may be well with you at the judgment bar of Christ. ♡ ♡

Maybe you should ask yourself where I get my understanding of the constitution as I have stated it many times.

It's in the darkness of men's own eyes they become lost.

You refuse to see you are using satans plan for forced charity. That veiw makes it easy for "you" to interpret the constitution as you do. As well as others who have that same sinful ideals as to use force.

I know your well intentioned. And I know others are too who have your same views. But that dose not make using satans plan ok no matter how well intentioned you and others are.

I will answer your question again anyways. I get my ideas from the scriptures moden prophets and but doing as our moden prophets have asked. Studying the constitution and the federalist papers to make sure my ideals are in line with our founding fathers Whom God inspired to write the constitution. Those founding fathers wrote there God insprired ideals and gave more insite to the purpose of the constitution in the federalist papers.
I have read and studied what our moden prophets guidelines and the scriptures guidelines for understanding the constitution and how God intended our government to be run. By scriptures and by the words of our prophets.

I know you have studied Nd done a book report on our need to succor the poor. As have I.

It's time you do a book report on the constitution. The federalist papers. The scriptures Book of Mormon and D&c about the constitution and gods political views. And also study what every moden prophet has had to say in guiding us to be walking that line. There has been tons and tons that have been a said.

If you would like I can send you all that I have compiled. And point you in the right direction to find more on your own.

A good start is by reading the books our modems prophets asked us to read in confrence regarding this topic. Do you know what those books are and what prophets asked us to read them?

Thus you have testified that from modern day prophets you have your interpretation.

And thus it is.

The right of the needy do they not judge and in their temporal things they are not all equal with their flocks as God has commanded.

They teach for doctrine that for two meals plus a full tithe are those who have billions and millions of dollars in assets worthy to partake of the sacrament each week.

When never has Jesus Christ said this.

Jesus Christ has commanded that a Tithe plus "all" of one's surplus beyond that needed for the support of their families is required to be worthy of partaking of the sacrament each week.

Truth is what it is.

No where has Jesus Christ said two meals save that was "all" your surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family.

All of your surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family after being fully Tithed is his celestial law given and that you be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly, for food and for raiment, for houses and for lands, in whatsoever circumstances the Lord has placed you.

Hearken unto his voice. ♡ ♡

So your not interested in the guidance of our moden prophets or from God?? As they speak for him.

I hope you realize that our moden prophets the close we get to the lords return the less and less the spirit allows them to say. Because of the wickedness of the members of this church.

Don't blame God for the wickness of this people. 2 nephi 28:30 says that God gives knowledge line upon line. Those who want more will recive it. Those who say we have enough it will be taken away.
Many times in the scriptures have our prophets been restrained from speeking more freely.

If you follow the prophets back through history to joseph smith you find that they have close we get to the second comming the more and more restrained are our modern prophets in what they are allowed to say. They spoke so much more and they spoke more boldly as you go back in time.

The guidance is all there. Truth is universal. It's the same in scripture as with the spoken words. Yes it's spoken through imperfect men. But the truth of their words is the truth of God. And those truths are always universal and the same. Do they always speak the words of God. To there understanding they do. And they are well intentioned in what they do. Just like you.

Force is satans way. God set up a government and constitution which only worked if we were rightious people. It protected prople agency and property. Satan has currupted both the people and our government to serve his purpose. The constitution and government no longer protect people's freedoms or property. Because they have been changed perverted and currupted.

Working within that currupt system that satan is at the head of is just plain and simple dangerous to your salvation.
That is why I fight to restor gods government and constitution.

The perversions to the constitution is what you seem to uphold? 16th amendment and individual taxation welfare programs social security. All the forms of socialisem that we have been warned about in the Book of Mormon and by our moden prophets.

Why Robert? Isant it important to you to be on the lord side using his plan when you are trying to succor the poor and needy? Do you know and understand the diffrence between the 2 plans?

And if you do could you explain to me what you understand those differences to be?

Also why do you feel you are justified in using force to compel charity by a majority vote?

All men are supposed to have equal rights. To Be equal. Right?? How is it equal when only a majority have a say in what the other are to do? That is not equality that mob rule. That's 3 wolfs and 2 sheep voting what's for dinner.

We have a majority of wickedness in the country. It's only a few who are truly the lords. When it's majority rule. We become more and more wicked.

Power is granted to lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare of the United States; Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States-- That much is correct. But the wording of the 16th Amendment (which I believe "cometh of evil") makes it clear to me that the money collected from taxes, duties, imposts and excises were intended to pay the debts incurred by the United States, and to provide for the common defense, GENERAL WELFARE of the United States. In later years "case law", or decisions of the Supreme Court (most notably the Butler Case in 1936) opened the flood gates for welfare to individuals, certain groups, and certain areas. In that way (among others) have Americans apostatized from their Constitution.

IMO, to suggest that the FedGov get further involved in welfare to individuals, certain groups, and certain areas, is trifling with more evil.

To help the poor and needy among you is never evil, unless it is done grudgingly or even not at all.

Open your eyes and ears and heart to understand doing good continually, and so do. ♡ ♡

To use government to help the poor and needy is always evil. It is an infringement on the right of control of one's private property.

You go before the judgment seat of Christ and say that and see what will happen to you.

Awaken before it is everlastingly too late. ♡ ♡

I trust the opinions of people like President Benson, President McKay, President Clark, Elder H. Verlan Andersen, Elder Henry D. Moyle, and other prophets and apostles on this subject. I do not trust the opinion to those who would promote redistribution of wealth by government. End of discussion as far as I am concerned. I have tried to be civil and polite in this controversy, but my patience runneth out.

I hope venom has not poured into your very soul, come to understand being wise and harmless.

If venom has been felt understand the spirit whom this comes from perfectly, for it is not Jesus Christ.

And if you would rise up in upsetness and anger beware of these two spirits for they are not of Jesus Christ whatsoever.

This is a nightmare, please wake up. ♡ ♡

Ok, back to the Constitution, I have another question. Why hasn't our current President been tried for treason, or impeached? Is there something under the Constitution that can be done? Has he committed treason? What is treason?

Yes he could be tryed for treason. It is a right we have. but it won't happen because of the curruption in government.

Robert I testify to you that upon the judgment seat I will be there to testify aginst you to say I raised the warning voice to your sinful actions of using force and enslaving your fellow men by your vote to use forced chaity.

And upon my own judgment seat I will happily report that I did all I personally could to help the poor with the means I had.

I force nor enslave no one.

I am only a fellow servant who seeks to succor the poor and the needy in whatsoever circumstances the Lord has placed me. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:To help the poor and needy among you is never evil, unless it is done grudgingly or even not at all.

Open your eyes and ears and heart to understand doing good continually, and so do. ♡ ♡

What's in your wallet?

A copy of the fate of the original Twelve Apostles to remind me of just what might happen to those who would follow this one Jesus Christ. ♡ ♡

Bee Prepared wrote:Ok, back to the Constitution, I have another question. Why hasn't our current President been tried for treason, or impeached?

Maybe because he hasn't committed treason, and has done nothing impeachment worthy.

Bee Prepared wrote:Is there something under the Constitution that can be done?

Sure. He can be removed from office. Anyone can.

Bee Prepared wrote:Has he committed treason?

No.

Bee Prepared wrote: What is treason?

Treason is 1)the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign; 2)a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.