notes from meetings with W. Cleon Skousen in 2005

[historian]

Thanks!

[believer]

Thank you for giving us all this information about the classes Brother Skousen taught. I have been wondering about what he thought about the things going on today.

You told us about the Kennedy assassination: W. Cleon Skousen tidbit - part 4

30 June 2005

I went to another class at W. Cleon Skousen's home. He showed us a great video about the truth of JFK's assassination. It's called "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".

What was in this video? What did Dr. Skousen say about it? Is there any way to get that video?

What was the stories of the plagues associated with the cleansing that starts in the Lord's own house?

What did he say about the Vision of John Taylor?

Thank you for all of this information. It is very interesting.

Believer

[creator]

video about the truth of JFK's assassination. It's called "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". What was in this video? What did Dr. Skousen say about it? Is there any way to get that video? What was the stories of the plagues associated with the cleansing that starts in the Lord's own house? What did he say about the Vision of John Taylor? Thank you for all of this information. It is very interesting.

The video is available, you can also watch it on Google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2242167290
Dr. Skousen believed that the JFK assassination was an 'inside job', that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald.. Dr. Skousen told us that he used to talk about the truth of the JFK assassination but because no one believed it he stopped talking about it. He realized that this group that was meeting at his home in 2005 wanted to hear about these kinds of things, so he talked more frequently about Secret Combinations. He even had Professor Steve Jones give his 9/11 presentation! That was great.

"the plagues associated with the cleansing that starts in the Lord's own house"... I don't remember everything he said, but I believe it comes from D&C 112:23-26.

Dr. Skousen believe this was a vision of John Taylor: read it here. He just described some of what is said in the vision.

[believer]

LDS Conservative,

Thank you for all of that information. I appreciate it.


Believer

[ldsfireguy]

Great thread ... thank you for sharing these notes.

I would give a lot to be able to sit in on lectures with this man.

Scott

[creator]

Wanted to add these notes to this discussion...

Here are some quotes from Cleon Skousen about how bad the Iraq war is...


In some previous discussions, some individuals on this forum tried to cast doubt on my statements that W. Cleon Skousen taught that, based on principle, we should NOT have gone to war in Iraq.

I filmed a meeting in which Dr. Skousen spoke (with his permission) to some of his relatives (me being married into the family of his relatives - Cleon is my wife's Grandpa's first cousin) and they spoke a little bit about the war. These are Dr. Skousen’s exact words:

(This is from a filmed conversation between Dr. W. Cleon Skousen and some of his relatives)

Richard: What are your feelings about the Iraq war?

Dr. Skousen: The Founding Fathers never would have done it. The Founding Fathers said don't ever invade another country to straighten it out. Because it will fail, and all you'll do is drain our blood and treasure out, and it will not succeed. And so, I wanted President Bush to be a success and the next thing I know he's declaring war on Iraq!

Richard: So, do you feel it was kind of an unconstitutional war?

Dr. Skousen: oh ya, ya. I knew that he [W. Bush] had orders from somebody to start that war. Because he announced that we were gonna go in, and it was very unpopular. And we have a controlled press and they just kept hammering "this is the thing to do" and "this is important, we gotta pull Hussein down," and He was, he was just a horrible bruit, BUT! The Founders said don't go into other countries to solve their problem, make them solve it themselves. And let everyone know that they've gotta solve it themselves...


Dr. Skousen: ...they are wicked men, and the ones that ordered the war, which is the International Banking Group.

Richard: They ordered the war?

Dr. Skousen: ya! sure, oh that's where they make money, gotta build planes, gotta build tanks; gotta spend money like it was water. and that's what we've done, going deeper and deeper into debt, and we're not even blinking about it! people say "oh, it's a war so we gotta spend it" that's what these international bankers thrive on.

Richard: So they were the ones that ordered the war.

Dr. Skousen: They always do.


Dr. Skousen: Think of the boys that have died.

Richard: Ya, that makes me sad.

Dr. Skousen: It's unnecessary, It is absolutely unnecessary! because there are two religious groups in Iraq and now that their dictator is gone they can fight again, like they have been for hundreds of years.

Richard: Now it's a civil war.

Dr. Skousen: And each one of them wants to annihilate one another; that's part of their religion. This damnable religion that was dreamed up by Mohammed, uninspired in every respect, it makes murderers out of people and suicide bombers out of people. It's a terrible religion.

(From there Dr. Skousen went on to discuss some very wonderful things about the Church, and the Saints in these lasts days, and Christ…)

[Teancum-Old]

Heard Skousen's position on the Iraq from secondary sources. This is the first time I see it in his own words! Good stuff Brian.

[creator]

Heard Skousen's position on the Iraq from secondary sources. This is the first time I see it in his own words! Good stuff Brian.

And I have the video recording to prove those words.

[lundbaek]

Please, what were the "very wonderful things about the Church, and the Saints in these lasts days, and Christ…)" that Brother Skousen talked about?

[reese]

Skousen spoke on another topic and quoted Spencer W. Kimball, who said, “the day of the gentile is over; it is now the day of the Jew and the Lamanite.”

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Brian, I found this very interesting. So did Cleon say that President Kimball said this to him? Or do you know when he would have said this?

[creator]

Skousen spoke on another topic and quoted Spencer W. Kimball, who said, “the day of the gentile is over; it is now the day of the Jew and the Lamanite.”.

Brian, I found this very interesting. So did Cleon say that President Kimball said this to him? Or do you know when he would have said this?

Ahhh, I forgot that I heard that quote from Cleon Skousen... I've heard various people mention this statement throughout the years but I've never been able to find that actual talk or reference regarding when and where Pres. Kimball said this.

This discussion has more quotes related to the times of the gentile being fulfilled, but I don't see it specifically referencing Pres. Kimball's statement. http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =1&t=15262" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[7cylon7]

Thank you for the information contained in this thread.

I have heard or studied everything listed but it is good to review it again.

@-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild... then it says later on Kings will come to NJ thinking to go to war with us and take our stuff. But from a far off they will see the light and blaze shining forth and the very AWE of it will put fear into the kings and the men that they will turn away saying who can go against them.

I can't wait. I say by 2017 we are rebuilding NJ maybe as soon as some time in 2013 - 2014????

[creator]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

[Jason]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

Thank you!!!

[creator]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

Thank you!!!

By the way, I updated the link to point to a more 'cleaned-up' formatted version of the article.

[Teancum-Old]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

This is a great article. Still going through it.

Wonder why Skousen chose not to include the discussions of Communist Russia's role as the wounded beast, the US role as the First Dictatorship, and the possibility of Latin America overrunning the US in his book, "Cleansing of America?" I don't recall it being in there. Will have to go through that book again too.

[iamse7en]

Heard Skousen's position on the Iraq from secondary sources. This is the first time I see it in his own words! Good stuff Brian.

And I have the video recording to prove those words.

Any way to see this video? Or are you not at liberty to share...

[LukeAir2008]

I've got the whole of this conversation on mp3/mp4. Its a marvellous summary of many of the great man's teachings. Iraq war, the Constitution, International bankers/Secret Combinations, the Atonement, the Cleansing of the Church, Adam etc. etc. Wonderful. Shame Brian pulled it from his site but i understand why.

[LukeAir2008]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

This is a great article. Still going through it.

Wonder why Skousen chose not to include the discussions of Communist Russia's role as the wounded beast, the US role as the First Dictatorship, and the possibility of Latin America overrunning the US in his book, "Cleansing of America?" I don't recall it being in there. Will have to go through that book again too.

He didn't discuss the Lamanites running over America because Pres. Hinckley told him that it wasnt going to happen. :ymsmug:

[Original_Intent]

... @-) My eyes popped out when he said the OCEANS would be TOO violent to let ships pass over them because of Storms. That sound rather bad. It will keep us safe while we build NJ yes but wow I was like so that is how in one way we will be made safe to rebuild...

Read Skousen's "What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty Five Years" article for more details related to that.

Great article - thanks very much for posting it Brian!

[Tribunal]

Brian,

You mentioned in one of your posts that Brother Skousen said Thomas Jefferson knew how to run a ward. Could you provide move information on this? What did Thomas Jefferson say about running a ward? What are the duties according to Thomas Jeffereson?

[LukeAir2008]

He didn't discuss the Lamanites running over America because Pres. Hinckley told him that it wasnt going to happen. :ymsmug:

please elaborate.

Cleon said that Pres. Hinckley told him that after the desolating scourge and plague comes upon the Gentiles in America they will repent.

[iamse7en]

LukeAir, I wish I could send you a private message and ask for this mp3/mp4!

[LukeAir2008]

LukeAir, I wish I could send you a private message and ask for this mp3/mp4!

I know. I was thinking of a way to share it. It's probably too big a file to email? Ive probably got most of his talks on mp3 but that particular talk is amazing and covers a lot of material. Probably Cleon at his most candid, right at the end of his mortal life.

[iamse7en]

Perhaps you could upload it to a file sharing site? Like mediafire or 2shared or 4shared? I think so many of us would appreciate you doing that, if you wouldn't mind.