President Monson's conference talk RE marriage

[ShawnC]

I put in a call on the red line to Pres. Monson suggesting that you dear general be made official "church enforcer". You job duties include but are not limited to...

"Enforcing your perfect view of how everything should be done and how everyone should think upon all members of the church everywhere. Because they are incapable of doing so themselves and we all know that their individual problems and circumstances, although tailored to their abilities and strengths, need to be lumped together into one and they should all be forced to live as you, dear general, think they should. Also the prophets seem to keep missing the boat or leaving things out when they speak, and we all know that these pathetic church members are incapable of using the spirit to be directed in what they need to do individually."

That about cover it?

I'm sure there are other duties, but that one is your first priority.

Shawn, you're a moderator on an LDS 'FREEDOM' forum website - being 'free', are we not entitled to express our opinions? Heaven forbid. I love Pres. Monson and am grateful for his leadership in these latter days, but according to you, I should not have an opinion about one of his talks. 8-|

I love the double speak and selective memory here.

Haven't been a moderator for quite some time.

take care,

[ShawnC]

NO! all voices of opposition or doubt must be silenced, especially on topics so important as 9/11 conspiracy! Any who do not conform should be publicly rebuked and mocked....see what I did there

In all seriousness thou I do agree with you Shawn seems to be having a bad day, he's coming down on people pretty hard.

Nope, just the good General. (

[Jason]

NO! all voices of opposition or doubt must be silenced, especially on topics so important as 9/11 conspiracy! Any who do not conform should be publicly rebuked and mocked....see what I did there

In all seriousness thou I do agree with you Shawn seems to be having a bad day, he's coming down on people pretty hard.

Nope, just the good General. (

Liar...less than an hour ago you were calling reese to repentance for her pride (while looking at the reflection in the mirror).....until (I assume) the moderator wiped the posts out.

[Col. Flagg]

I put in a call on the red line to Pres. Monson suggesting that you dear general be made official "church enforcer". You job duties include but are not limited to...

"Enforcing your perfect view of how everything should be done and how everyone should think upon all members of the church everywhere. Because they are incapable of doing so themselves and we all know that their individual problems and circumstances, although tailored to their abilities and strengths, need to be lumped together into one and they should all be forced to live as you, dear general, think they should. Also the prophets seem to keep missing the boat or leaving things out when they speak, and we all know that these pathetic church members are incapable of using the spirit to be directed in what they need to do individually."

That about cover it?

I'm sure there are other duties, but that one is your first priority.

Shawn, you're a moderator on an LDS 'FREEDOM' forum website - being 'free', are we not entitled to express our opinions? Heaven forbid. I love Pres. Monson and am grateful for his leadership in these latter days, but according to you, I should not have an opinion about one of his talks. 8-|

I love the double speak and selective memory here.

Haven't been a moderator for quite some time.

:ymapplause:

[Col. Flagg]

NO! all voices of opposition or doubt must be silenced, especially on topics so important as 9/11 conspiracy! Any who do not conform should be publicly rebuked and mocked....see what I did there

In all seriousness thou I do agree with you Shawn seems to be having a bad day, he's coming down on people pretty hard.

Nope, just the good General. (

I wish I were a General so I could try and get us out of the middle east and spread a little truth about what really happened on 9/11 and why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wishful thinking though.

[ShawnC]

Same with ShawnC - I've never seen anyone post with such disdain for others like he does - that post of his was judgmental, crass, brash and full of indignation, not to mention ego.

I love it!

Reminds me of somebody.

I didn't know life was all about shopping, eating out for lunch ever day and essentially having a free, fun ride without sacrifice or adversity... give me a break! There are 3 women in my ward who are like this and one of them almost left her husband years ago after he had lost his job and decided to go back to school which left them struggling big time. She even threatened to leave him if their circumstances didn't improve after he finished school and if I were him, I'd have said 'hasta la vista baby'. ) Women like this need to go to the Martin Handcart missionary center in Wyoming and do the 8-16 mile trek with the handcarts so they can experience first hand what the Pioneers went through and how fortunate they are to live in a day and age like this with the technology and comforts we enjoy - might make them think a little work and sacrifice for their husband(s) ain't so bad after all in 2011.

That sounds a lot like what you are talking about.

You know, when people don't agree with me and join me in my negativism, I'm stable enough to look at things from different angles. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm not. To expect others to think like me and see things in my way or the highway type of view, that is simply not healthy.

[ChemtrailWatcher]

Liar...less than an hour ago you were calling reese to repentance for her pride (while looking at the reflection in the mirror).....until (I assume) the moderator wiped the posts out.

Since when was calling people to repentance verboten?

Hey, just continue what you're doing (not speaking to you specifically Jason/Mummy.)! Do what you want! See you at the judgment bar!

[ShawnC]

NO! all voices of opposition or doubt must be silenced, especially on topics so important as 9/11 conspiracy! Any who do not conform should be publicly rebuked and mocked....see what I did there

In all seriousness thou I do agree with you Shawn seems to be having a bad day, he's coming down on people pretty hard.

Nope, just the good General. (

Liar...less than an hour ago you were calling reese to repentance for her pride (while looking at the reflection in the mirror).....until (I assume) the moderator wiped the posts out.

I'm sorry you felt the need to stoop to call me a liar. Apparently birds of a feather flock together.

I do software quality assurance for a living. My job is to be very critical and find what is wrong with software. When I'm not careful, that leaks out into all other aspects of my life, and the criticism and negativity are abundant. I don't like myself at those times and it's so very easy to fall into this negative cycle.

When people like Flagg get extremely critical in that way, I recognize it as an all around bad thing, good to avoid.

Of all the criticism and doubt heaped upon this church and leadership from around the world, to come from within is especially bad IMO.

The posts are gone? Hmmm, how come? Who wiped them?

ciao,

[buffalo_girl]

Perhaps the real issue in a successful marriage is Spiritual Maturity on the part of both the husband and the wife - whether they are younger or older when they marry. It seems to me that we are taught - in the temple - to put the Lord first in our lives. ALL blessings we receive as a Covenant People depend upon our personal relationship with the Lord - first and foremost. If the bride and bridegroom are Spiritually Mature and continue to honor their Covenants by seeking the Lord's Counsel in their individual lives and together in their married relationship - they should grow in their love for each other.

If any of you have the time to watch the movie Arranged on Hulu, I strongly recommend it. It involves two young college graduate women who grew up in Orthodox religions in Brooklyn, NY - in which it is traditional for marriages to be arranged by a third party. Both work as teachers in a public school.

The contrast between these two and the other teachers who have embraced a trashier lifestyle is amazing. These two young women are much more modest in their dress and conduct than most of our young LDS women! They are NOT allowed to date other than 'arranged' dates, nor are they to be 'touched' even in casual greeting with a man. Both sets of parents are not perfect and put painful expectations on them. Nevertheless, each young woman honors her religion, her parents, and seeks answers to her concerns through personal prayer.

Have fun! It's a wonderful story with a surprise ending.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/225023/arranged" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ShawnC]

In all seriousness thou I do agree with you Shawn seems to be having a bad day, he's coming down on people pretty hard.

I think he shared all his food storage and now he's left with an empty pantry. I'd be upset too. Maybe Mark will buy Shawn one of those old hotdogs at the Flying J in Snowville, Idaho (I know it's in Utah, but I'm willing to pay Idaho to take it). That might brighten his day... How about it Mark?? Maybe throw in a 32 oz beverage??

mmmm Flying J hotdogs.

I still have dehydrated hotdogs left in my food storage.

The drink would have to be caffeine free though, WoW you know. Of course if you are one of the special ones, living the WoW means you don't eat refined sugar or cloven hoof animals either. =))

[Jason]

Nope, just the good General. (

Liar...less than an hour ago you were calling reese to repentance for her pride (while looking at the reflection in the mirror).....until (I assume) the moderator wiped the posts out.

I'm sorry you felt the need to stoop to call me a liar. Apparently birds of a feather flock together.

I do software quality assurance for a living. My job is to be very critical and find what is wrong with software. When I'm not careful, that leaks out into all other aspects of my life, and the criticism and negativity are abundant. I don't like myself at those times and it's so very easy to fall into this negative cycle.

When people like Flagg get extremely critical in that way, I recognize it as an all around bad thing, good to avoid.

Of all the criticism and doubt heaped upon this church and leadership from around the world, to come from within is especially bad IMO.

The posts are gone? Hmmm, how come? Who wiped them?

ciao,

Just calling a spade a spade....if that's stooping then I don't know why you apologized. That said, I get that way myself (obviously) and I apologize!

Life is challenging. I support and sustain the leaders as they are righteous and as their counsel is confirmed to me through the Spirit! I fondly recall the overwhelming confirmation that I got that President Thomas Monson was indeed called to be the prophet of the church that conference following the death of President Hinckley. That said there's a reason things like the Glenn L Pace memo exist. Best to tread carefully and stick as close to the Lord as possible!

[ChemtrailWatcher]

Maybe we should ask for the banning of all posts that mention bacon. I recall reading one thread about that recently. Tsk tsk.

[Jason]

Maybe we should ask for the banning of all posts that mention bacon. I recall reading one thread about that recently. Tsk tsk.

LOL.....never specifically said bacon.....but pork was mentioned several times!

[iamse7en]

iamse7en--Are you seventeen? If you are i could see why your faith is as such, once again i point out blind faith. You may think everthing is or will be cherrys and roses if you get married young and fast but i talk through experience not only with myself but i worked with and have known many people who have divorsed because they felt obligated to rush into marriage and only wish they would have taken more time. Sure we should not postpone it until were old, but i believe its better to never get married in this life then to marry someone your not in love with because it will only lead to divorse and possibly adultry for some people. If you date and try your best to find the right person in this life but you dont find someone, the lord will allow you to get sealed in the millinium he knows that many people are not lucky enough to fall in love and to find a spouse in this life. Think spirit of the law and not letter of the law, blind faith always puts letter of the law over the spirit.

You make many statements that I would like to respond to, but I'll keep it to the one topic we have been discussing. Our leaders have instructed us to marry sooner rather than later. They have not instructed us to do so at the expense of marrying someone you'll end up breaking your covenants with. I know of no "letter of the law" when it comes to your age at marriage. There has only been counsel, we are taught the eternal principles, taught to adhere to the Spirit when making such important decisions. It is not merely blind faith to agree with the prophets when they encourage to marry sooner rather than later. When I see the trends, it doesn't make sense to me to say we have increasing divorce rates because the young adults are marrying too soon. As I've said, less LDS are marrying as young as they have in the past, yet, LDS divorce rates are increasing. Everyone has different circumstances, but the prophets have had wise counsel over the years. While you "do not believe that more 'mormons' are postponing marriage," President Monson felt the need to address that too many Mormons are in fact postponing marriage, for whatever reason. I'm sure he has access to more information on this issue than we do.

And it doesn't matter whether I am seven, seventeen, or eighty with fifty grandchildren, I'm merely addressing what our prophets are saying on this issue. I haven't stated my own personal experience to make my point, as you have. But if I must, I am married with multiple children and have many friends and family members who are married, some who have gone through divorce, etc. But personal experience really isn't what I'm trying to stress. It's the general counsel we have been taught by leaders. I concur with their advice that marrying sooner rather than later is a good thing. But not everyone has that luxury. For whatever reason. The Prophet can't speak to everyone's individual circumstances, but he can give general counsel for the body at large.

I think I have gone off of Col. Flagg's original question/discussion. So for that, I apologize. I'm done on the marrying young vs. old debate.

[ChemtrailWatcher]

Aint bacon and pork from the same animal? I say we kill 'em all off. Heck, one of my sons keeps worrying about getting tapeworm.

[Jason]

Aint bacon and pork from the same animal? I say we kill 'em all off.

....now don't be dissin' my bacon!!! Got to have a little of that in the salads or I'll have to resort to eating more meat!

[buffalo_girl]

My gosh! If you have this much time to fight - go watch the movie!!!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/225023/arranged" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[shadow]

I support and sustain the leaders as they are righteous and as their counsel is confirmed to me through the Spirit! I fondly recall the overwhelming confirmation that I got that President Thomas Monson was indeed called to be the prophet of the church that conference following the death of President Hinckley. That said there's a reason things like the Glenn L Pace memo exist. Best to tread carefully and stick as close to the Lord as possible!

+1
We could probably re-post this on a few threads!

[ChelC]

Thank you, Buffalo Girl. You stated it much better than I.

[Col. Flagg]

When people like Flagg get extremely critical in that way, I recognize it as an all around bad thing, good to avoid.

Who's criticizing Shawn? You're going ape over my opinion that Pres. Monson could have said more about marriage and advocated getting to know someone instead of just touting compatability - that is hardly criticism. If I was criticizing, I'd have been taken to the cleaners by most everyone here and I am not about to criticize the prophet. I can have an opinion about a talk given by the mouthpiece of the Lord without being critical of it and that is all I am doing. You, on the other hand, fly off the handle as if you're some angelic judge or something. ) Sheesh. 8-|

[John Locke]

My gosh! If you have this much time to fight - go watch the movie!!!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/225023/arranged" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cant watch hulu at work

[ChemtrailWatcher]

You're going ape over my opinion that Pres. Monson could have said more about marriage and advocated getting to know someone instead of just touting compatability - that is hardly criticism

Really? Maybe we have different dictionaries or something.

[Col. Flagg]

You're going ape over my opinion that Pres. Monson could have said more about marriage and advocated getting to know someone instead of just touting compatability - that is hardly criticism

Really? Maybe we have different dictionaries or something.

Criticizing: I thought President Monson's talk on marriage was in really poor taste - what is he doing proclaiming marriage between two young people as long as they are compatible? He is no expert on the subject and does not have a degree in family science, so why is he making statements like that? He doesn't know what he's talking about and should offer a follow-up talk as soon as possible to correct what he said.

That is not what I said CW. 8-| All I said was that, IMO, he should have included really getting to know someone as part of encouraging marriage instead of just the compatibility aspect.

[ChemtrailWatcher]

Do you suppose there's different degrees of criticism or is your world black and white? Why not take it up with Pres. Monson if you've got issues?

[Rincon]

Removed.