The Rising Generation

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I've had this ?experience? brought to my mind many times in the last week or two as I've talked with friends and responded to posts on the forum, such as "Satan's Counterfeits," and am feeling like I should share my thoughts...

A talk that has been a personal favorite of mine for some time is "Satan's Thrust --Youth" by Benson: http://lds.org/ensign/1971/12/satans-th ... rust+youth

In it he begins by saying:
It has been well said that “there comes a time when the general defilement of a society becomes so great that the rising generation is put under undue pressure and cannot be said to have a fair choice between the Way of Light and the Way of Darkness.” (Hugh Nibley, An Approach to the Book of Mormon, 1957.)
The thoughts that have been running through my head are in relation to this and a talk I heard on the BYU channel about 3-4 years ago. I have no idea who was speaking or where, but it was a man that at the time of the story shared was both a psychiatrist and Stake President. Here's what I remember of the story:

A woman with a loving family, married in the temple, etc, came to him upset about her abusive childhood. I believe she was asking the "Why me" type questions, and talking about having had only boys saying she'd be jealous of a daughter's relationship with her husband (because of her lack of- or abusive- relationship with her own father). This man shared that he felt inspired to tell her that Heavenly Father was aware of her suffering and that she had been placed in that position because of her strength --that she had cleansed her line of that scourge and that because of her, generations would be born without that same suffering she went through.

This talk really touched me and I've been able to apply the principle to many areas of my life. I was not abused, but I can see that through my experiences growing up (especially the negative ones) I have been given both the understanding that something needed to change as well as the drive to make those changes in other "abusive" aspects of my life. In areas of nutrition, education, priorities, false traditions, faith in the arm of flesh, etc, I've been able to "cleanse my line" so to speak, to be a barrier, so that my children can have a fair choice in this life. I'm not saying by any means that we are perfected in any of those areas, but I can see how vastly different their upbringing is...where I am fighting to unlearn and re-learn, they are learning truth and able to put their efforts into the actual fight for right.

I know that the Lord has sent these strong, choice spirits here at this time in preparation for what lies ahead, and that I am here to give them the best start and best fighting chance possible. It is often discouraging to feel alone and like an outcast for making many of the choices we have, to not follow societal norms, but I know that our children will be stronger and more capable to stand at the last day, girded about by the whole armor of God, because of our choices.

President Benson ends his talk by saying:
Yes, “There comes a time when the general defilement of a society becomes so great that the rising generation is put under undue pressure and cannot be said to have a fair choice between the Way of Light and the Way of Darkness.”

God grant that we as parents and leaders of youth may have the power and the good common sense to give them “a fair choice,” I humbly pray in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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This post really resonates with me and I appreciate you sharing it. My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant and I look forward to giving our kids a better chance and (hopefully) a better childhood than the one I had. Heavenly Father loves us and knows us better than we know ourselves. @};-

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Rincon wrote:"Yes, “There comes a time when the general defilement of a society becomes so great that the rising generation is put under undue pressure and cannot be said to have a fair choice between the Way of Light and the Way of Darkness.”


That time is right now. I have thought for a long time that millions of children are born into a situation they will fail to rise above. It's true some exceptional parenting saves some of them, but many get into problems over their heads even in good families. I could give some examples, but they are a little to personal to put in print here.
I respectfully disagree (and so very, very, very respectfully).

I think it's more like being born under an oppressive, tyrannical regime, with pirate neighbors and stuff. There are many areas of the world where children have no choice as they are taught oppression, violence, theft, defilement of women, etc. from day one.

We should bomb the carp out of these places and liberate the oppressed while teaching them new values, not unsimilar to what Brigham Young wanted to do with the Native populations in America.

(Yes, I meant to say carp. That wasn't a typo. Carp are nasty fish that will eat anything and everything, and run off all the good values. I really, really, really wasn't trying to swear in disguise.)

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1984Orwellherenow wrote:We should bomb the carp out of these places and liberate the oppressed while teaching them new values, not unsimilar to what Brigham Young wanted to do with the Native populations in America.
Brigham Young wanted to bomb the native americans!?? Source please.

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BrianM wrote:
1984Orwellherenow wrote:We should bomb the carp out of these places and liberate the oppressed while teaching them new values, not unsimilar to what Brigham Young wanted to do with the Native populations in America.
Brigham Young wanted to bomb the native americans!?? Source please.

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No, silly, the second half. I want to bazooka bomb old Giddyiffy. He wanted to retrain the Native populace to become productive members of an industrial society. I'm not looking it up so delete it if it bothers you too much. I'm sure someone knows where it is though.

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1984Orwellherenow wrote:
Rincon wrote:"Yes, “There comes a time when the general defilement of a society becomes so great that the rising generation is put under undue pressure and cannot be said to have a fair choice between the Way of Light and the Way of Darkness.”


That time is right now. I have thought for a long time that millions of children are born into a situation they will fail to rise above. It's true some exceptional parenting saves some of them, but many get into problems over their heads even in good families. I could give some examples, but they are a little to personal to put in print here.
I respectfully disagree (and so very, very, very respectfully).

I think it's more like being born under an oppressive, tyrannical regime, with pirate neighbors and stuff. There are many areas of the world where children have no choice as they are taught oppression, violence, theft, defilement of women, etc. from day one.

We should bomb the carp out of these places and liberate the oppressed while teaching them new values, not unsimilar to what Brigham Young wanted to do with the Native populations in America.

(Yes, I meant to say carp. That wasn't a typo. Carp are nasty fish that will eat anything and everything, and run off all the good values. I really, really, really wasn't trying to swear in disguise.)
I think you have missed the beautiful point she was trying to make. Of course, I haven't spoken to her, but I am guessing that she shared this to inspire all of us to do what we can to give youth the chance, that have the chance because they live in freedom...youth all over the world. We can not control what happens in the nations where there is extreme oppression, but raising righteous children who have "the light" it will eventually spread to those nations.

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1984Orwellherenow wrote:
BrianM wrote:
1984Orwellherenow wrote:We should bomb the carp out of these places and liberate the oppressed while teaching them new values, not unsimilar to what Brigham Young wanted to do with the Native populations in America.
Brigham Young wanted to bomb the native americans!?? Source please.

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No, silly, the second half. I want to bazooka bomb old Giddyiffy. He wanted to retrain the Native populace to become productive members of an industrial society. I'm not looking it up so delete it if it bothers you too much. I'm sure someone knows where it is though.
Who is Giddyiffy?

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Rincon wrote:Surely everyone knows who Giddyiffy is. :) :)

1984Orwellherenow is helping us lighten things up around here, we need more humor. It's okay.
You are a beautiful lady, Theron. I wish I could sing you a song right now.




I meant Gadflappy.

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Thanks Songbird, somehow this topic went way off track.

Catherine

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Hey guys,

I was just thinking about what has been said regarding the Lord sending the best in the last days. It reminded me of this thread. The kids are alright.

Hey, that's a song by The Who. Does anyone know what it's about? I've never heard it and don't want to jump into the devil's lap with that one. Is it an ok song? Maybe songbird knows...

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I thought that was a song by the Offspring -oh wait thats the kids AREN'T alright. :D

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