Conspiracy or coincidence -- NWO....

[Original_Intent]

The only eugenics that is needed is that the burden of all aspects of rearing children needs to be returned to the parents. That includes educating, feeding, clothing, etc.

You always get more of what you subsidize. So we have more single mom's, more poorly educated children (and adults), more poverty, more idleness.

Quit finanically rewarding single mom's for popping out babies and hold absentee father's financially responsible for their offspring (in or out of wedlock).

Personal accountability, responsibility and liberty will cause survival of the fittest to again be the rule, and will be all the eugenics needed.

And certainly I believe we have an individual responsibility to provide for the SURVIVAL needs of those who are UNABLE to provide for themselves. By the same token, for those who are capable of work, society is within it's rights to expect that capability to be exercised to the degree possible to contribute to each individual's self-sustenance.

The Great Society and the New Deal need to have a wrecking ball taken to them both.

[sixgunsue]

Breeders ( 6 children) like me have no business making HUGE carbon footprints and over burdening the earth!
That is what the "Progressives" think and feel.
It's all about hording all the land and natural resources for their elitist selves. Besides it's much easier to control a smaller population. This is not a new tactic. Just new excuse -SAVE THE PLANET! :ymsick:

[sixgunsue]

The only eugenics that is needed is that the burden of all aspects of rearing children needs to be returned to the parents. That includes educating, feeding, clothing, etc.

You always get more of what you subsidize. So we have more single mom's, more poorly educated children (and adults), more poverty, more idleness.

Quit finanically rewarding single mom's for popping out babies and hold absentee father's financially responsible for their offspring (in or out of wedlock).

Personal accountability, responsibility and liberty will cause survival of the fittest to again be the rule, and will be all the eugenics needed.

And certainly I believe we have an individual responsibility to provide for the SURVIVAL needs of those who are UNABLE to provide for themselves. By the same token, for those who are capable of work, society is within it's rights to expect that capability to be exercised to the degree possible to contribute to each individual's self-sustenance.

The Great Society and the New Deal need to have a wrecking ball taken to them both.

Again, well said, :ymapplause: BRAVO!

[1984Orwellherenow]

Dudettes and Dudes,

Who has access to the NWO playbook? This population control stuff makes no sense to me personally. Why would the Satan man want to destroy the population? I thought the big red feller is all about conversion, man. He wants populations to grow so he has more convertin' the converts opportunities, ya know? If the OWNWO wanted you all dead then they'd really start messing up the vaccines instead of making the good stuff that has boomed the population to over 6 billion. They'd put some bad stuff in them and start leaking stories of the horrors. Then, when you all stop taking the vaccinations and start falling over plumb dead, they start all that laughing and cigar smoking as they get what they want. They aren't doing any of that stuff. So why the stories about population control?

You'd think with all the genocides over the past century it would be obvious. As for eugenics, I didn't realize that was viewed as anything other than historical fact. I mean come on man how can you dismiss something they are not even secretive about? Planned parenthood types of places have ample funding thanks to the elites and that's just one of the prongs of multipronged attack(war, starvation, abortion etc, concentration camps;still going by the way in places such as North Korea/China/Cuba).

You can balk at it all you want, but until you provide substance you're just ranting. Reread the entire thread and you'll find this simple point has already been thoroughly debunked. If you need some help finding applicable material then ask and I'll quote it for you. :ymparty:

[sixgunsue]

I seem to remember something in an important film I've seen many, many times, somewhere very important, that featured Satan ranting about what he planned to do with all the gold and money of the world...
hmmmm...what was it? Something about buying up armies and navies..blahblahblah, oh and something about ruling with blood and horror..etc, etc..
Anyone recall?

[1984Orwellherenow]

Satan didn't try to kill Jesus in the desert. He tempted him. It's a template you should look into.

I loathe putting scripture up here as it tends to be the first thing discarded, but I am forced once again to pull the card. I've never heard or read a single prophet or apostle push this pet eugenics theory, but they have given other insight. I'll take the other insight and leave the imaginative notions where they belong. Trust in the prophets.

2 Nephi 27 "Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself."

You don't choose captivity and death by someone destroying your or all human life. You need life first. First life, then failure, and finally captivity and "death". Death in this sense is not physical death, and, even if it were, the joke would be on old Lucifer cause it's not the way it works. At least not since somewhere around 33 a.d. anyway. If you can show me through scripture how Satan somehow sidesteps these all important steps and goes straight to eugenics then I might give it some thought.

Prophets 1, eugenics 0

[Original_Intent]

So are you saying eugenics is non-existent, or just that Satan is not involved? Or something else?

[1984Orwellherenow]

So are you saying eugenics is non-existent, or just that Satan is not involved? Or something else?

How could I say the idea is non-existent when we're discussing it and I'm dominating with my typical air tight logic and fact based discourses? Of course the idea exists. How do you discuss an idea without the idea?

I guess I have no clue what you're asking. I've already fully covered any meaning to your question I could possibly come up with.

Please reform and resubmit. I won't be back until tomorrow, but I'll send you down the right path then. OK?

[Original_Intent]

Are you saying that eugenics is not PRACTICED or are you saying that Satan is not involved. 8-|

Did I ask if the IDEA of eugenics or the CONCEPT of eugenics exist? No. Was it perfectly clear what I was asking you? Yes. If you want to play lawyer games to try and catch someone in their words, check the story of Zeezrom and consider.

[randont]

[/quote]You can balk at it all you want, but until you provide substance you're just ranting. Reread the entire thread and you'll find this simple point has already been thoroughly debunked. If you need some help finding applicable material then ask and I'll quote it for you. :ymparty:[/quote]

Dude, I can't tell if you're pulling my leg or .... Debunked? =)) , you didn't say anything that even remotely debunks anything =)) . If you're not going to take this serious why comment?

[randont]

So are you saying eugenics is non-existent, or just that Satan is not involved? Or something else?

I guess I have no clue what you're asking. I've already fully covered any meaning to your question I could possibly come up with.

Please reform and resubmit. I won't be back until tomorrow, but I'll send you down the right path then. OK?

That's the problem, you have no clue and you're not going to get it anytime soon, dude. Sorry but I give up, good luck dude, hopefully someone else can come along and explain it in a way you'll understand.

[sixgunsue]

[quote][/quote]"That's the problem, you have no clue and you're not going to get it anytime soon, dude. Sorry but I give up, good luck dude, hopefully someone else can come along and explain it in a way you'll understand.

randont
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=)) =)) =)) =)) =)) Not likely! =)) =)) =)) =))
There's no point in arguing with a narcissist.

[1984Orwellherenow]

So are you saying eugenics is non-existent, or just that Satan is not involved? Or something else?

I guess I have no clue what you're asking. I've already fully covered any meaning to your question I could possibly come up with.

Please reform and resubmit. I won't be back until tomorrow, but I'll send you down the right path then. OK?

That's the problem, you have no clue and you're not going to get it anytime soon, dude. Sorry but I give up, good luck dude, hopefully someone else can come along and explain it in a way you'll understand.

Moderators: This is a blatant violation of multiple rules. Please take action immediately. This a personal attack, bating, and cannot be backed up with facts. I don't deserve to be attacked this way by "Christians".

Also, are you going to enforce the no saying the word I cannot say rule across the board, or are there rules that I have to comply with that others don't? Thank you.

[InfoWarrior82]

Dudettes and Dudes,

Who has access to the NWO playbook? This population control stuff makes no sense to me personally. Why would the Satan man want to destroy the population? I thought the big red feller is all about conversion, man. He wants populations to grow so he has more convertin' the converts opportunities, ya know? If the OWNWO wanted you all dead then they'd really start messing up the vaccines instead of making the good stuff that has boomed the population to over 6 billion. They'd put some bad stuff in them and start leaking stories of the horrors. Then, when you all stop taking the vaccinations and start falling over plumb dead, they start all that laughing and cigar smoking as they get what they want. They aren't doing any of that stuff. So why the stories about population control?

You'd think with all the genocides over the past century it would be obvious. As for eugenics, I didn't realize that was viewed as anything other than historical fact. I mean come on man how can you dismiss something they are not even secretive about? Planned parenthood types of places have ample funding thanks to the elites and that's just one of the prongs of multipronged attack(war, starvation, abortion etc, concentration camps;still going by the way in places such as North Korea/China/Cuba).

You can balk at it all you want, but until you provide substance you're just ranting. Reread the entire thread and you'll find this simple point has already been thoroughly debunked. If you need some help finding applicable material then ask and I'll quote it for you. :ymparty:

Eugenics is explained at the one hour-twenty minute mark. I plead with you to explain where this documentary is wrong on eugenics. Thanks.




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eu·gen·ics   

[yoo-jen-iks]
–noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

[1984Orwellherenow]

Did I ask if the IDEA of eugenics or the CONCEPT of eugenics exist? No. Was it perfectly clear what I was asking you? Yes. If you want to play lawyer games to try and catch someone in their words, check the story of Zeezrom and consider.

I don't see why you're getting up tight with me, comrades. I like to fully understand what you're asking so I can give you a response that shows full respect. How can I give you the attention you properly deserve if I don't understand you fully? In the future I hope you won't take me asking for clarification as some sort of slight. Clarification will strengthen the instruction, will it not?

Are you saying that eugenics is not PRACTICED or are you saying that Satan is not involved. 8-|

Ooh, I'm sure it's practiced by the Planned Parenthood types, LDS parents who murder their children for the free ticket, and the stronger abortion advocates. I'm sure the devil is influencing too. I don't think it's the underground man's master plan. If you believe what the scriptures and prophets tell us then you don't think the devil is trying to wipe the planet clean as we speak. There will be a grand battle in the end, but not before hand. Again, how does the devil tempt you to choose his prison when you're dead?

Nobody is showing any scripture that refutes my scripture. I searched LDS.org for "eugenics" and nothing came up. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Is it a false prophecy that we should be weary of?

Eugenics is explained at the one hour-twenty minute mark. I plead with you to explain where this documentary is wrong on eugenics. Thanks

I'm not interested in sensationalized videos. Scriptures please. Thanks.

[InfoWarrior82]

Of course I knew that you would reply with something pathetic, but you surprise me by saying eugenics can only be proven by the... Scriptures? Do you know how ridiculous you sound right now?

Germs, bacteria, microbiology, and nuclear reactions are all pet theories! No mention of any of these in the scriptures!!! The holocaust never happened! The earth is flat!

Ps Yeah! That documentary sure is sensational isn't it!? I know, I know, lots of facts in the space of not much time tends to make people's brains hurt. Keep at it though.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Of course I knew that you would reply with something pathetic,

You were baiting me? And why in the world are you saying that using the scriptures is pathetic? I'm appalled. Shocked and appalled.

but you surprise me by saying eugenics can only be proven by the... Scriptures? Do you know how ridiculous you sound right now?

Please don't respond if you don't care to read what I said. Hey, what's your purpose here? Are you trolling me? I specifically said eugenics is real. Why are you trying to put words into my mouth that are contrary to what I have written? That in no way, no way whatsoever, promotes the spirit.

Germs, bacteria, microbiology, and nuclear reactions are all pet theories! No mention of any of these in the scriptures!!! The holocaust never happened! The earth is flat!

Ps Yeah! That documentary sure is sensational isn't it!? I know, I know, lots of facts in the space of not much time tends to make people's brains hurt. Keep at it though.

Umm, we are talking about the Gadianton Robbers here, not dirt or water or mars. I think the scriptures are very relevant.

**EDIT** This part has been deleted as a result of a private mandate.**END EDIT** This person is trolling me and baiting, and cannot back up the claims s/he's making about me with documented facts. S/He is specifically misconstruing my words to say the exact opposite of what I said.

[InfoWarrior82]

Here's what I was responding to:

Dudettes and Dudes,

Who has access to the NWO playbook? This population control stuff makes no sense to me personally. Why would the Satan man want to destroy the population? I thought the big red feller is all about conversion, man. He wants populations to grow so he has more convertin' the converts opportunities, ya know? If the OWNWO wanted you all dead then they'd really start messing up the vaccines instead of making the good stuff that has boomed the population to over 6 billion. They'd put some bad stuff in them and start leaking stories of the horrors. Then, when you all stop taking the vaccinations and start falling over plumb dead, they start all that laughing and cigar smoking as they get what they want. They aren't doing any of that stuff. So why the stories about population control?

You'd think with all the genocides over the past century it would be obvious. As for eugenics, I didn't realize that was viewed as anything other than historical fact. I mean come on man how can you dismiss something they are not even secretive about? Planned parenthood types of places have ample funding thanks to the elites and that's just one of the prongs of multipronged attack(war, starvation, abortion etc, concentration camps;still going by the way in places such as North Korea/China/Cuba).

You can balk at it all you want, but until you provide substance you're just ranting. Reread the entire thread and you'll find this simple point has already been thoroughly debunked. If you need some help finding applicable material then ask and I'll quote it for you. :ymparty:

And this:

The way I see this is a play on the words "destruction" and "death". So, yeah, I agree with you, in principle, that he wants to make lives miserable. I don't see how this relates to eugenics or mass destruction or whatever. Like I said before, all the evidence points me toward evil propagation and expansion.

Since you don't like Alex Jones, how about other sources:






How is satan not involved with eugenics?

[randont]

Moderators: This is a blatant violation of multiple rules. Please take action immediately. This a personal attack, bating, and cannot be backed up with facts. I don't deserve to be attacked this way by "Christians".

Also, are you going to enforce the no saying the word I cannot say rule across the board, or are there rules that I have to comply with that others don't? Thank you.

WOW! =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

[InfoWarrior82]

Moderators: This is a blatant violation of multiple rules. Please take action immediately. This a personal attack, bating, and cannot be backed up with facts. I don't deserve to be attacked this way by "Christians".

Also, are you going to enforce the no saying the word I cannot say rule across the board, or are there rules that I have to comply with that others don't? Thank you.

WOW! =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Haha, I just love the "cannot be backed up with facts" part.

[sixgunsue]

(-| sigh.

[randont]

"That's the problem, you have no clue and you're not going to get it anytime soon, dude. Sorry but I give up, good luck dude, hopefully someone else can come along and explain it in a way you'll understand.

randont
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=)) =)) =)) =)) =)) Not likely! =)) =)) =)) =))
There's no point in arguing with a narcissist.

You hit the nail right on the head. I looked this up thought you might like it.

*The following is a list of Red Flag narcissistic behaviors.
*Extreme infatuation with oneself, self-centered, expects to be recognized as superior
*Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited power, success, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
*Sees himself as “special” and should only have to affiliate with others of a similar stature
*Takes advantage of others to achieve his needs
*Demonstrates a constant need for admiration or approval
*Exaggerates personal achievements while minimizing those of others
*Is convinced that he/she is unique
* Feels entitled to special treatment and that rules frequently don’t apply to him
*May propose love and marriage within only a few weeks of starting a relationship
*Very charismatic or charming at first, but can quickly switch from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde without apparent cause
May insist that he know your whereabouts at all times
Demands compliance with his/her expectations
Is unable to demonstrate or understand empathy or compassion
Does not seem to feel real happiness or positive emotions
*Often criticizes and/or puts others down
*Assumes himself to be more knowledgeable than those around him
Panics, cries, begs, and becomes emotional if he anticipates an end to a relationship
* May harass or stalk you if you do break up
Quick to anger or feel insulted or slighted
* Rages with anger or inflicts the “silent treatment” when upset
*Denies he/she has issues to work on – sees himself/herself as nearly perfect
*May often take unnecessary risks
*Frequently humiliates or abuses others, although he/she doesn’t see it as abuse
*Sulks when he/she doesn’t get his/her way
*Nothing is ever his/her fault
*Drives recklessly and/or way too fast
*Exaggerates the truth or blatantly lies
*Rarely treats anyone with respect or kindness
*Doesn’t acknowledge or respect other’s boundaries
*Always wants to be in control
*May drink and drive regularly
*His/her need for attention, time, and space matter – yours do not
* Has difficulty putting himself/herself in another’s shoes
Uses sex as a weapon – through withholding, controlling, or being overly demanding
*Rarely recognizes the accomplishments or abilities of others
*Doesn’t appear to have a conscience
*Does not take criticism well and becomes defensive easily
* Rarely expresses appreciation of others
* Is easily hurt and insulted
*Considers most others in the world “idiots”
*Wins most arguments through the use of rationalizing his/her behavior
*Blames others for all his/her problems
*Frequently complains that whatever you do, it isn’t “good enough”
*Is often paranoid – thinks people are talking about him/her behind his/her back
*Has a hard time accepting the opinions or ideas of others
May attempt to limit loved ones from spending time with others
*Always has to win any argument
*Is often envious of others, or thinks others envy him/her
*May feel entitled to go through your purse, closet, or other personal belongings without your permission
*His/her attitude is generally haughty or arrogant
*Rarely can understand another’s point of view
*Expects you to read his/her mind when he/she wants something
* Hates to stand in line – he/she shouldn’t have to, as his/her time is more valuable than others
*Frequently “forgets” to give birthday and holiday cards and gifts to loved ones
* May ignore you or be indifferent to you for no reason
* Leaves others feeling as though they need to “walk on eggshells” around him
*Hates to be thought of as ordinary or average
*Is desperate to have the biggest house, car, bank account, or title
*Often leaves you feeling guilty, drained, fearful, exhausted, just plain stupid, and most of all, wondering how you got there

[sixgunsue]

Yep. I'm well versed in the signs. I've been surrounded by them my whole life.
My father
brother
first husband
friends I've had to take a walk from
( because they will drain and exhaust you)
Save yourselves people, leave this post like rats off a sinking ship.
This place is for learning and sharing, if someone feels they aren't learning but only teaching, we must be a total bore to them and I wonder why someone of that caliber would ever stick around a place like this?
Just askin...

[1984Orwellherenow]

I hope you two feel very proud of yourselves for openly making fun of me and calling names. I hope you think of me the next time you renew your vows. You are very hurtful and mean. I am saddened this day.

[sixgunsue]

Renew our vows? But.....we're not married. :-\