Conspiracy or coincidence -- NWO....

[Fiannan]

Doesn't Christ say if he did not hasten the day of his coming there would be no flesh left upon the Earth. Sounds like depopulation to me.

Never thought of it that way. You know, one wonders just how many kids died when God nuked Sodom or how many died when the world was flooded. Perhaps when people become wicked beyond a certain point they refuse to have children and so when God destroyed these peoples very few innocents died.

[1984Orwellherenow]

"The BoM is a likeness for our day" is a true statement, so Satan wants to destroy all of humanity like he did the Nephites, Mulikites, and Jaredites.

Destroy all of humanity? Hardly... Let me now craft ingenious, unbreakable logic woven so tight you can't breath through it.

Looky here, listen up, fly straight. You [mod edit] are getting it all wrong. The Lamanites destroyed the Nephites, dudes. Everyone did not die. It's right there in the end of the good book. Go look it up and read it. Done? OK, let's go to step 2, [mod edit] .

If you're into the whole Yucatan peninsula theory, you'd know this idea is silly after realizing that the Mayans had the most dense populations in the history of the world, [mod edit]. More dense than modern Los Angeles even. They grew like wildfire, bred like rabbits, exploded. If that's your take then you're really arguing that Satan/NWO/Gadiantions are for overpopulation. More souls for the devil, ya know [mod edit]?

Orwell For The Win.

I'm never wrong, [mod edit].

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[Fiannan]

Orwell, the NWO types are not some sort of Hollywood version of Satanists. They are worse-- they are Utopians! They have a grand vision of the earth, a paradise...a secular version of the United Order perhaps. Problem is, Utopians like Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler Pol Pot and those who will follow in their footsteps are a dangerous lot that believe in societal development from the top down. So what if that might mean misery for a while when the goal is so bright?

[InfoWarrior82]

I think satan's goal in the end is to destroy free agency for the world's population so they (the 1/3rd of heaven that fell away) can posses the bodies that God created for the children of Adam and Eve. Where have I heard that one before? The name of the game is control. The more manageable the size of the earth's population, the easier it is to control the masses.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Orwell, the NWO types are not some sort of Hollywood version of Satanists. They are worse-- they are Utopians! They have a grand vision of the earth, a paradise...a secular version of the United Order perhaps. Problem is, Utopians like Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler Pol Pot and those who will follow in their footsteps are a dangerous lot that believe in societal development from the top down. So what if that might mean misery for a while when the goal is so bright?

But those guys weren't even Americans...

I watched Bohemian Grove movie by AJ, so Nuh uh, dudes. That stuff right there is totally real satan worship. AJ told me so it must be true dudes.

On a serious note, dudes, does this mean they aren't the gadiantons of old? They aren't going to do exactly what they did in the BofM? What are the implications of what you are saying?

[kathyn]

The real plan is eugenics. Look it up, dude guy.

[Fiannan]

The real plan is eugenics. Look it up, dude guy.

Well, if that were the case at least my family would be okay. B-)

[1984Orwellherenow]

The real plan is eugenics. Look it up, dude guy.

Dudes, I don't believe in hokey pokey pet ideas of someone with a microphone and audience. Thanks though, dudes.

[kathyn]

Actuallly, dudeguy, eugenics has been with us for almost a century. It has had prominent proponents....such as George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, and many of the NWO folks. It's not just the rantings of one person.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Actuallly, dudeguy, eugenics has been with us for almost a century. It has had prominent proponents....such as George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, and many of the NWO folks. It's not just the rantings of one person.

Yeah, dudes, I get that people have pet ideas. I also get that both those dudes are dead. 6 feet under. Pushing up daisy's. Stone cold.

Dudes, I once read this idea that an Egyptian Pharaoh wanted to dig to the center of the earth and release satanic powers. Dudes, do you think that's what they're trying to do with all these sink holes? Haven't you heard of Tesla's secret technology, dudes? They must be using that to blast straight to the core!!! =))

[Fiannan]

Orwell, your attempt to mock those you disagree with does little to contribute to a debate or discussion. Kathyn brings up a point that deserves discussion, not comedy. And while you can mock Alex Jones (Endgame) the fact of the matter is his research is quite good -- if you like you can compare it to the documentary "Homosapiens 1900" in regards to eugenics. And I will admit that while I find most, not all but most, aspects of negative eugenics bad, I feel positive eugenics is something that Brigham Young promoted, especially when advocating the advantages to polygamy. And while I am often a skeptic on many conspiracy theories, I have to admit that it is odd that since 1970 the earth has seen a dramatic change in growth patterns -- especially in European nations, but to a large degree Christian countries -- with little attention paid by so-called leaders in Christian circles. What gives there?

[1984Orwellherenow]

Orwell, your attempt to mock those you disagree with does little to contribute to a debate or discussion. Kathyn brings up a point that deserves discussion, not comedy. And while you can mock Alex Jones (Endgame) the fact of the matter is his research is quite good -- if you like you can compare it to the documentary "Homosapiens 1900" in regards to eugenics. And I will admit that while I find most, not all but most, aspects of negative eugenics bad, I feel positive eugenics is something that Brigham Young promoted, especially when advocating the advantages to polygamy. And while I am often a skeptic on many conspiracy theories, I have to admit that it is odd that since 1970 the earth has seen a dramatic change in growth patterns -- especially in European nations, but to a large degree Christian countries -- with little attention paid by so-called leaders in Christian circles. What gives there?

Alex Jones research is quite good is a fact? What credible publications does he appear in? Any that, say, BYU scientists prefer?

Dudes, I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from on the growth patterns stuff, and, dudes, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Please clarify so I have a chance to "contribute to a debate or discussion". Thanks in advance, dudes.

Now let's all go have some babies!

[Fiannan]

Orwell, you use the word "dude" more than the movie "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" or a "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" marathon.

That said, I have done a lot of research on the population control movement as well as eugenics. That said, While I actually see a lot in eugenics I support, I find the abuses that Jones documents to be quite accurate. If you find anything he points to as inaccurate please share.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Orwell, you use the word "dude" more than the movie "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" or a "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" marathon.

That said, I have done a lot of research on the population control movement as well as eugenics. That said, While I actually see a lot in eugenics I support, I find the abuses that Jones documents to be quite accurate. If you find anything he points to as inaccurate please share.

Wrong. I never say dude. I don't like that word, dudes.

I was asking for clarification. Please share all that valuable research insight. I don't wanna misinterpret what you're sayin', dudes, that's all.

[Fiannan]

Orwell, just watch the documentary Endgame and remember that Jones is accurate in his discussion of the topic of negative eugenics from Galton to how Hitler got most of his ideas on eugenics laws from the United States laws concerning eugenic sterilization. He is also correct that eugenic research in Germany during the late 20s and the early 30s was funded in part by American foundations. The ONLY thing he left out is that some of Darwin's descendants actually did survive. Also, I don't believe he discussed Plato's contributions to eugenic thought through his writings in The Republic.

Now Orwell, care to share something vital to the debate or...?

[InfoWarrior82]

I'm still confused as to how 1920's eugenics is someone's "pet theory". Even Glenn Beck explained eugenics on one of his nightly shows.

[sixgunsue]

I have a question.
Why is everyone arguing with the Orwell-dude? Why do you care what he believes or doesn't believe.
The very rudimentary fact is that Satan has no power to create life. That power which is God given to mankind, that we may someday be like him. Therefor satan's only eternal goal is to destroy life, and he IS, full throttle, in a million diverse ways. He's ever more creative and clever as people become less and less so by his design to dumb them down.
Congratulations to those who refuse to see this. You are helping him a great deal!
Make babies not war!
P.S. I've read alot of great comments on this thread, thank you for those and spread the word.
The NWO's MAIN goal is the destruction of life, AND liberty!
End result, slavery for those left alive who are not of the elite circles.
Take care all, S.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Now Orwell, care to share something vital to the debate or...?

I'm saddened by how cheeky some are when I ask questions and seek clarification. I'm really treated horribly and it hurts my feelings when people get snippy with me for trying to learn. I hope your intentions are not to hurt me. However, I'm getting bad vibes like you are angry and want me to feel bad or something. I still haven't received an answer for clarification of this:

I have to admit that it is odd that since 1970 the earth has seen a dramatic change in growth patterns -- especially in European nations, but to a large degree Christian countries -- with little attention paid by so-called leaders in Christian circles. What gives there?

What is it that you mean and think this implies?

I have a question.
Why is everyone arguing with the Orwell-dude? Why do you care what he believes or doesn't believe.

Because I've changed too many lives for the better, and they really want to understand me before discounting what I say because it's backfired too many times in the past.

The very rudimentary fact is that Satan has no power to create life. That power which is God given to mankind, that we may someday be like him. Therefor satan's only eternal goal is to destroy life, and he IS, full throttle, in a million diverse ways. He's ever more creative and clever as people become less and less so by his design to dumb them down.
Congratulations to those who refuse to see this. You are helping him a great deal!
Make babies not war!
P.S. I've read alot of great comments on this thread, thank you for those and spread the word.
The NWO's MAIN goal is the destruction of life, AND liberty!
End result, slavery for those left alive who are not of the elite circles.
Take care all, S.

Then why does he want teenagers to have premarital sex and married folks to commit adultery? These acts create life.

Satan's goal is to capture as many souls as he can. He cannot create life, but he cannot destroy life either. That is God's power and God's alone. You may not have considered that all humans are resurrected at some point. It's not only the good. The bad guys go to hell, body and all.

These little tidbits are why people argue with me. I untwist minds like upside down marry-go-rounds.

[sixgunsue]

Wow. You think very highly of yourself. Good for you. You don't sound at all like your feelings are hurt.
Ok, the reason he wants kids to (or adults for that matter) to have relations and children out of wedlock is because it destroys many lives in the process. Rarely do these botched families end up happy. Sometimes, but rarely. Yes, he can destroy life.
He can tempt people into self destructive modes and despair to perpetuate more and more destruction. I have witnessed it in my own family.
Take a look around, since people have accepted this "free love" way of life, has society become happier or more depressed?
Angry ? violent? Self destructive? He had the power to nearly stop Joseph Smith physically, while in the grove.
Most people today do not know they can cry out to God for help, thanks to him. Therefor they self destruct or allow him to destroy them. Yes, they will be resurrected, but still destroyed. Live is to progress, to stagnate or be damned is death,
spiritual death. I think as far as destroying or getting us to physically destroy life is just pleasure to him because we then,
in so doing, spiritually destroy ourselves. Too him it's all good.

[sixgunsue]

Also, he knows he will never win against God, so he wants to prevent spirits from coming here to have their chance to choose. Not because he will have a chance at them, but think about it, Satan is an angry, selfish guy. Most of what he does
in the way of destruction or trying to slow Gods plan is just out of pure. jealous malice. Nothing more. He knows he will NEVER win. So he's trying to slow down reproduction on the one hand just to be a pain and speeding up destruction on the other hand, just to gain souls. That's what I see, anyway.

[sixgunsue]

Just to clarify, I do not believe he can actually prevent any spirits that are meant to get here. Just trowing stick in their road to be a menace. God is a million steps ahead of him.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Wow. You think very highly of yourself. Good for you. You don't sound at all like your feelings are hurt.

Huh? Ohh, no, no, no, not at all. I do take an analytical approach to things and believe what the best results tell me. I cannot be bent by that or I would be lying to myself.

Ok, the reason he wants kids to (or adults for that matter) to have relations and children out of wedlock is because it destroys many lives in the process. Rarely do these botched families end up happy. Sometimes, but rarely. Yes, he can destroy life.
He can tempt people into self destructive modes and despair to perpetuate more and more destruction. I have witnessed it in my own family.
Take a look around, since people have accepted this "free love" way of life, has society become happier or more depressed?
Angry ? violent? Self destructive? He had the power to nearly stop Joseph Smith physically, while in the grove.
Most people today do not know they can cry out to God for help, thanks to him. Therefor they self destruct or allow him to destroy them. Yes, they will be resurrected, but still destroyed. Live is to progress, to stagnate or be damned is death,
spiritual death. I think as far as destroying or getting us to physically destroy life is just pleasure to him because we then,
in so doing, spiritually destroy ourselves. Too him it's all good.

That's a very intriguing way of looking at things! Thanks for sharing.

The way I see this is a play on the words "destruction" and "death". So, yeah, I agree with you, in principle, that he wants to make lives miserable. I don't see how this relates to eugenics or mass destruction or whatever. Like I said before, all the evidence points me toward evil propagation and expansion. Again, Lamanites post-Nephite destruction (anecdotally anyway), China, Hindi, Muslim, pre-marital, extra-marital, etc... all centered around propogation which specifically lacks structure conducive to bringing souls back to Heavenly Father. It replaces this with a structure conducive to failure, which is what the devil wanna.

The devil ain't Elmer Fudd. He's the home weckin' wabbit nex doowa.

MODS HELP PLEASE: I'm not trying to run roughshod over my mandate to talk less like me and more like all of you do. Is talking like Elmer Fudd for one sentence immediately after and while using him in a parable a violation of my conformance mandate? That's not similar language as in '(And no more using the word "dude" and/or similar language)' as Brian mandated, is it? If it is then I'm so, so, very sorry. Please accept my apologies in advance. I'm just trying to figure it all out and it's not really clear to me.

[randont]

Dudettes and Dudes,

Who has access to the NWO playbook? This population control stuff makes no sense to me personally. Why would the Satan man want to destroy the population? I thought the big red feller is all about conversion, man. He wants populations to grow so he has more convertin' the converts opportunities, ya know? If the OWNWO wanted you all dead then they'd really start messing up the vaccines instead of making the good stuff that has boomed the population to over 6 billion. They'd put some bad stuff in them and start leaking stories of the horrors. Then, when you all stop taking the vaccinations and start falling over plumb dead, they start all that laughing and cigar smoking as they get what they want. They aren't doing any of that stuff. So why the stories about population control?

You'd think with all the genocides over the past century it would be obvious. As for eugenics, I didn't realize that was viewed as anything other than historical fact. I mean come on man how can you dismiss something they are not even secretive about? Planned parenthood types of places have ample funding thanks to the elites and that's just one of the prongs of multipronged attack(war, starvation, abortion etc, concentration camps;still going by the way in places such as North Korea/China/Cuba).

[Randy]

Unfortunately if you do not belong to the New World Order of the Beast you will be considered an unnecessary eater or at best part of a slave labor force.

Randy in Gunnison

[sixgunsue]

Unfortunately if you do not belong to the New World Order of the Beast you will be considered an unnecessary eater or at best part of a slave labor force.

Randy in Gunnison

That is the best most succint way to describe the "WHY". Thank you! :ymapplause: