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1984Orwellherenow wrote:Dudes, let me help you out some more, dudes:
You are acutely aware of the events of September 11, less than a month ago. Out of that vicious and ugly attack we are plunged into a state of war. It is the first war of the 21st century. The last century has been described as the most war-torn in human history. Now we are off on another dangerous undertaking, the unfolding of which and the end thereof we do not know. For the first time since we became a nation, the United States has been seriously attacked on its mainland soil. But this was not an attack on the United States alone. It was an attack on men and nations of goodwill everywhere. It was well planned, boldly executed, and the results were disastrous. It is estimated that more than 5,000 innocent people died. Among these were many from other nations. It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil.

Recently, in company with a few national religious leaders, I was invited to the White House to meet with the president. In talking to us he was frank and straightforward.

That same evening he spoke to the Congress and the nation in unmistakable language concerning the resolve of America and its friends to hunt down the terrorists who were responsible for the planning of this terrible thing and any who harbored such...

...Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.
Dudes, President Hinckley said, in as plain and clear speech as possible, that American citizens solidly stand with President Bush who had declared war, and support his efforts in ferreting out the terrorists through this war effort! You can twist this and turn this inside out to make it something that it is not, but that takes great effort. If you take this to mean anything other than Prophet Hinckley supporting President Bush in the war on terror, and going overseas to catch the terrorists, then you are openly denying a message sent directly from the Lord's messenger, dudes!
LOL....you are quite insistent on remaining ignorant!
Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.
Who are those forces of evil?

Are you referring to Al Qaeda? The "database" of mujahedin that US military subcontractors have utilized for myriad operations in trouble spots around the world like Serbia and Bosnia?

Are you referring to Osama Bin Laden? The former CIA rep in charge of heroin distribution in Afghanistan? The business partner of Bush family in the Carlyle Group? The man who was already suffering serious health problems (hospitalized several times that year) and most likely died in December of 2001?

The same forces of evil who targeted one of the most difficult areas to hit on the Pentagon.....the offices of the accountants trying to track down $2.3 trillion dollars that was unaccounted for?

The same forces of evil who had access to the World Trade towers and exotic explosives to turn them into a pyroclastic cloud of dust that covered the entire city? Especially World Trade Center Building #7 that had a small fire burning on just a couple floors on one end of the building.....but managed to collapse at free fall speed (the entire building)?

And dare I suppose that YOU have written a letter of clarification? NOT!

This one's for you!
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysi ... fires.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...yep still standing!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dhrb ... -st_people" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and all that heroin flowing out of Afghanistan on US military controlled highways....that's just a mirage......Afghanistan hasn't gone from 75% to 95% of the world's market....just dust blowing in the wind!

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Mummy wrote:
1984Orwellherenow wrote:Dudes, let me help you out some more, dudes:
You are acutely aware of the events of September 11, less than a month ago. Out of that vicious and ugly attack we are plunged into a state of war. It is the first war of the 21st century. The last century has been described as the most war-torn in human history. Now we are off on another dangerous undertaking, the unfolding of which and the end thereof we do not know. For the first time since we became a nation, the United States has been seriously attacked on its mainland soil. But this was not an attack on the United States alone. It was an attack on men and nations of goodwill everywhere. It was well planned, boldly executed, and the results were disastrous. It is estimated that more than 5,000 innocent people died. Among these were many from other nations. It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil.

Recently, in company with a few national religious leaders, I was invited to the White House to meet with the president. In talking to us he was frank and straightforward.

That same evening he spoke to the Congress and the nation in unmistakable language concerning the resolve of America and its friends to hunt down the terrorists who were responsible for the planning of this terrible thing and any who harbored such...

...Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.
Dudes, President Hinckley said, in as plain and clear speech as possible, that American citizens solidly stand with President Bush who had declared war, and support his efforts in ferreting out the terrorists through this war effort! You can twist this and turn this inside out to make it something that it is not, but that takes great effort. If you take this to mean anything other than Prophet Hinckley supporting President Bush in the war on terror, and going overseas to catch the terrorists, then you are openly denying a message sent directly from the Lord's messenger, dudes!
LOL....you are quite insistent on remaining ignorant!
Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.
Who are those forces of evil that President Hinckley was specifically addressing?

Was he referring to Al Qaeda? Yes.

Was he referring to Osama Bin Laden? Yes! The former CIA rep in charge of heroin distribution in Afghanistan? The business partner of Bush family in the Carlyle Group? No. The man who was already suffering serious health problems (hospitalized several times that year) and most likely died in December of 2001? No.

The same forces of evil who targeted one of the most difficult areas to hit on the Pentagon? Yes. ...the offices of the accountants trying to track down $2.3 trillion dollars that was unaccounted for? No.

The same forces of evil who had access to the World Trade towers and exotic explosives to turn them into a pyroclastic cloud of dust that covered the entire city? No, let's not be silly in pretending he mentioned any of this.

Mummy wrote:And dare I suppose that YOU have written a letter of clarification? NOT!
I'm not the one promoting a radical interpretation, well outside the normal reading, which is, in fact, so far outside the standard meaning that, statistically speaking, only an insignificant minority believe it to mean. Doesn't it tell you something when the vast, vast majority, probably 999 out of 1000 vast, read it as I do? Don't write a letter if you don't want to. Ask your bishop for his interpretation, then your stake president when your bishop's answer isn't to your liking, then your regional representative when your stake president's interpretation isn't to your liking. See how far you have to go up the chain before you find out this means exactly what it spells out: radical muslim extremists need to be ferreted out.
Mummy wrote:...and all that heroin flowing out of Afghanistan on US military controlled highways....that's just a mirage......Afghanistan hasn't gone from 75% to 95% of the world's market....just dust blowing in the wind!
What does this have to do with President Hinckley's speech in 2001? (The question is rhetorical)

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1984Orwellherenow wrote:
Mummy wrote:LOL....you are quite insistent on remaining ignorant!
Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.
Who are those forces of evil that President Hinckley was specifically addressing?

Was he referring to Al Qaeda? Yes.

Was he referring to Osama Bin Laden? Yes! The former CIA rep in charge of heroin distribution in Afghanistan? The business partner of Bush family in the Carlyle Group? No. The man who was already suffering serious health problems (hospitalized several times that year) and most likely died in December of 2001? No.

The same forces of evil who targeted one of the most difficult areas to hit on the Pentagon? Yes. ...the offices of the accountants trying to track down $2.3 trillion dollars that was unaccounted for? No.

The same forces of evil who had access to the World Trade towers and exotic explosives to turn them into a pyroclastic cloud of dust that covered the entire city? No, let's not be silly in pretending he mentioned any of this.

Mummy wrote:And dare I suppose that YOU have written a letter of clarification? NOT!
I'm not the one promoting a radical interpretation, well outside the normal reading, which is, in fact, so far outside the standard meaning that, statistically speaking, only an insignificant minority believe it to mean. Doesn't it tell you something when the vast, vast majority, probably 999 out of 1000 vast, read it as I do? Don't write a letter if you don't want to. Ask your bishop for his interpretation, then your stake president when your bishop's answer isn't to your liking, then your regional representative when your stake president's interpretation isn't to your liking. See how far you have to go up the chain before you find out this means exactly what it spells out: radical muslim extremists need to be ferreted out.
Mummy wrote:...and all that heroin flowing out of Afghanistan on US military controlled highways....that's just a mirage......Afghanistan hasn't gone from 75% to 95% of the world's market....just dust blowing in the wind!
What does this have to do with President Hinckley's speech in 2001? (The question is rhetorical)
LOL....that's YOUR interpretation of "normal" reading! ....and your interpretation of "radical".....but truth can be radical in a world of PR....so be it!

hmmm....the majority angle (if everyone else believes this - then it must surely be true).....naw I'll stick with the salt! How many people in the world think Joseph Smith was a crook and a fraud? How many believe he saw God? How many KNOW he saw God?

Since when has it been church leadership's position to educate you as to what's going on in the world?

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Mummy, have you ever seen the movie "They Live" ? There is a scene in that movie that I just feel relates to this thread...I'll see if it is Youtubed... B-)

edit, yeah it is, for anyone who hasn't seen it, I will warn you that this clip has the F word a few times... so watch at your own risk.

Also, if you haven't seen the movie you need to watch this clip first to understand the 2nd clip...also the first clip has no major bad language and is worth watching...(in my opinion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA8drfZw ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and then the one that reminds me of this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZpdUUd ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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It depends on what your goal is. If it's to make people believe in 911 or other specific conspiracy theories, I have no input.

I hate a book that tells me what to think. I hate a book that states opinion as fact, but don't mind an author's opinion if it's stated as such. Don't insult the reader. You don't have to spell everything out for them.

If your goal is to have your reader looking at things in a new way, and to make the case for repentance, I think it can be done without mentioning any specific events. I think you are likely to reach more readers that way. The Spirit can teach them once you get them to that point.

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ChelC wrote:It depends on what your goal is. If it's to make people believe in 911 or other specific conspiracy theories, I have no input.

I hate a book that tells me what to think. I hate a book that states opinion as fact, but don't mind an author's opinion if it's stated as such. Don't insult the reader. You don't have to spell everything out for them.

If your goal is to have your reader looking at things in a new way, and to make the case for repentance, I think it can be done without mentioning any specific events. I think you are likely to reach more readers that way. The Spirit can teach them once you get them to that point.
How's your track record?

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Original_Intent wrote:Mummy, have you ever seen the movie "They Live" ? There is a scene in that movie that I just feel relates to this thread...I'll see if it is Youtubed... B-)

edit, yeah it is, for anyone who hasn't seen it, I will warn you that this clip has the F word a few times... so watch at your own risk.

Also, if you haven't seen the movie you need to watch this clip first to understand the 2nd clip...also the first clip has no major bad language and is worth watching...(in my opinion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA8drfZw ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and then the one that reminds me of this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZpdUUd ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LOL....yeah probably applicable....although force is not an option for most.

Superbly rare events that God uses force (Alma Jr, Saul/Paul, Jonah, etc).....99.9% of the time its "Ask and ye shall receive, Knock and it shall be opened unto you".....and if you don't ask...ya don't receive. If ya don't knock....its not opened.

If you don't investigate and search for the truth....you never find it!

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freedomfighter wrote:
So what is it suppose to be?

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John Locke wrote:
freedomfighter wrote:
So what is it suppose to be?
Usually (my experience) the "truthers" just ask really good questions....and don't claim to have all the answers!

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Mummy wrote:
ChelC wrote:It depends on what your goal is. If it's to make people believe in 911 or other specific conspiracy theories, I have no input.

I hate a book that tells me what to think. I hate a book that states opinion as fact, but don't mind an author's opinion if it's stated as such. Don't insult the reader. You don't have to spell everything out for them.

If your goal is to have your reader looking at things in a new way, and to make the case for repentance, I think it can be done without mentioning any specific events. I think you are likely to reach more readers that way. The Spirit can teach them once you get them to that point.
How's your track record?
Not too good! :))

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ChelC wrote:
Mummy wrote:
ChelC wrote:It depends on what your goal is. If it's to make people believe in 911 or other specific conspiracy theories, I have no input.

I hate a book that tells me what to think. I hate a book that states opinion as fact, but don't mind an author's opinion if it's stated as such. Don't insult the reader. You don't have to spell everything out for them.

If your goal is to have your reader looking at things in a new way, and to make the case for repentance, I think it can be done without mentioning any specific events. I think you are likely to reach more readers that way. The Spirit can teach them once you get them to that point.
How's your track record?
Not too good! :))
LOL....obviously mine isn't either!

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