Looking for input from this forum.

[freedomforall]

Try this as well.

http://www.nccsstore.com/A-Guide-for-Le ... nfo/GUIDE/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also watched the DVD called "The Link" which is extremely educational in learning what to do and how to be actively engaged in promoting our need for, and means of keeping our freedom and liberty. This DVD is also available at NCCS
http://www.nccsstore.com/Link/productinfo/LINK/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another great source for study materials is: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ShawnC]

I have been in discussion with a dear friend that has authored several books over the last couple of years.....you may have heard of them. "Awaking to Our Aweful Situation".........anyways I too am beginning the stages to write a book. I am in the research stages right and find some forum members here very knowledgable and insightful. I pose this question to you.

If you were a member of the Church, but very green when it comes to the secret combinations, and the signs of the times events, what would you want to read that would draw you closer to the Spirit of truth regarding these subjects? I already plan on utilizing the Scriptures and Prophetic warnings from our leaders. I want to help those that believe "all is well in Zion", and help them to change their mindset to be open to see truly what is going on here. I want it to be very fact based, but yet keeping the reader intrigued to keep turning pages. What topics would be the trigger points?

I would read "Awakening to Our Awful Situation".

Really, why spend time writing a book about something you already know about and which others virtually already have libraries to pull from if they so desire? Can't help who doesn't want helped!

Spend that research time in personal growth, increasing your faith and power in the priesthood.

vi ses,
-Shawn-

[Book of Ruth]

I would mention something about googling "secret societies". My "awakening" happened after a Sunday School lesson that talked about Pres. Hinckley's 2001 address after 9/11 and how it was the work of conspiring men. The lesson was taken from the BOM and it was mentioned that the entire book has secret combinations as the fall of society.

So, I went home and googled "secret combinations"- no luck only LDS stuff, and I knew that we were not the conspirer's, so I googled "secret societies" thinking I would find stuff on Al Quiada. Nope, nothing about "extremist's" but a whole slew of stuff on American secret socities. Fortunately, I had someone I could ask a million questions to, and from there you just start linking up with people who are "awake" and start supporting each other so that the world doesn't convince you that you're crazy.

It would be nice to have the facts, agenda's, and some of the key player's explained along with the secret socities of the world today, along with a geopolitical history on how we got where we are. And, finish with why warning our neighbors is the "awaken one's" mission and why we just can't be quiet about it.

[freedomforall]

I would mention something about googling "secret societies". My "awakening" happened after a Sunday School lesson that talked about Pres. Hinckley's 2001 address after 9/11 and how it was the work of conspiring men. The lesson was taken from the BOM and it was mentioned that the entire book has secret combinations as the fall of society.

So, I went home and googled "secret combinations"- no luck only LDS stuff, and I knew that we were not the conspirer's, so I googled "secret societies" thinking I would find stuff on Al Quiada. Nope, nothing about "extremist's" but a whole slew of stuff on American secret socities. Fortunately, I had someone I could ask a million questions to, and from there you just start linking up with people who are "awake" and start supporting each other so that the world doesn't convince you that you're crazy.

It would be nice to have the facts, agenda's, and some of the key player's explained along with the secret socities of the world today, along with a geopolitical history on how we got where we are. And, finish with why warning our neighbors is the "awaken one's" mission and why we just can't be quiet about it.

Is it Mummy? I think so. Anyway I was provided a website filled with books and articles that would boggle anyone's mind. http://yophat.blogspot.com/2010_08_21_archive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also check out: http://inspiredconstitution.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.nccs.net/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AussieOi]

I'm sorry I can't help
I've just come home from seeing The Chemical Brothers
My head hurts.....bad

[1984Orwellherenow]

That is a very good question. I don't know. My wife doesn't like me to talk about conspiracy at all, but since it is sort of a World View that explains much of what happens, its hard not to talk about it with regard to any subject. The wives, of several friends who are partially active in the church don't like me to talk about it with their husbands either. So far these discussions haven't of themselves miraculously inspired them to repent.

Dave can speak for himself, but that was a pretty rude response Orwell, but we all have the "authority"

D&C 93:49 What I say unto one I say unto all;

D&C38:41And let your preaching be the warning voice, every man to his neighbor, in mildness and in meekness.

D&C 88:801Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

D&C 18:14Wherefore, you are called to cry repentance unto this people.

D&C 6:9Say nothing but repentance unto this generation;

I agree, based on D&C 88 (it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor), D&C 18:14 (you are called to cry repentance unto this people), and so MANY other scriptures, and counsel from the prophets, we do all have the authority, and responsibility, to warn our neighbor and the cry repentance.

OK, you guys have me confused. Please help me out.

It seemed like Dan was calling others to repentance based on some personal knowledge and/or revelation. Is this incorrect?

Then, it seemed Mahori was justifying calling others to repentance based on personal revelation and/or interpretation, but then says scriptures aren't for personal interpretation.

So, I don't really get which one you are calling for. Are you calling to repentance to scripture? Or to personal interpretation? And, if this call to repentance is based on personal revelation then what's the point of it being personal? And if it's not personal and should lead us to call others to repentance [to the message inside our personal revelation], then what's the point of having a single prophet? After all, this is saying personal revelations are prophetic warnings and.

If I understood anything incorrectly, or if this was simply a call to repentance based on scripture, then please provide the scripture.

Thanks in advance. I'm very confused here and need help.

[1984Orwellherenow]

My "awakening" happened after a Sunday School lesson that talked about Pres. Hinckley's 2001 address after 9/11 and how it was the work of conspiring men.

Where was this? Wow! This sight is incredible at pulling things out that I miss. You guys are awesome and must be much more dedicated than I try to be!!!

Thanks in advance for the source, Book of Ruth.

[Original_Intent]

My "awakening" happened after a Sunday School lesson that talked about Pres. Hinckley's 2001 address after 9/11 and how it was the work of conspiring men.

Where was this? Wow! This sight is incredible at pulling things out that I miss. You guys are awesome and must be much more dedicated than I try to be!!!

Thanks in advance for the source, Book of Ruth.

It was the Oct General Conference following 9/11.

[1984Orwellherenow]

It was the Oct General Conference following 9/11.

Can you give me the quotes? I can't find them. I'm in a difficult spot for the time being to find such things. Thanks for your generosity.

[EmmaLee]

It was the Oct General Conference following 9/11.

Can you give me the quotes? I can't find them. I'm in a difficult spot for the time being to find such things. Thanks for your generosity.

"We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation."

http://lds.org/general-conference/2001/ ... 1+hinckley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[1984Orwellherenow]

Thanks!!! I wasn't sure if radical Muslim extremists should be considered gadiantions or not, but this is all too clear!

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

It's not often we hear a Prophet be a proponent of a war. This is an incredible piece. Thank you all.

[Jason]

Thanks!!! I wasn't sure if radical Muslim extremists should be considered gadiantions or not, but this is all too clear!

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

It's not often we hear a Prophet be a proponent of a war. This is an incredible piece. Thank you all.

Perhaps you should read it a little more carefully.....he definitely wasn't a proponent for war!

[Mahonri]

OK, you guys have me confused. Please help me out.

It seemed like Dan was calling others to repentance based on some personal knowledge and/or revelation. Is this incorrect? no

Then, it seemed Mahori was justifying calling others to repentance based on personal revelation and/or interpretation, but then says scriptures aren't for personal interpretation. I was saying the scriptures tell us to call people to repentence. The scriptures say they are not for personal interpretation

So, I don't really get which one you are calling for. Are you calling to repentance to scripture? Or to personal interpretation? And, if this call to repentance is based on personal revelation then what's the point of it being personal? And if it's not personal and should lead us to call others to repentance [to the message inside our personal revelation], then what's the point of having a single prophet? After all, this is saying personal revelations are prophetic warnings and.

If I understood anything incorrectly, or if this was simply a call to repentance based on scripture, then please provide the scripture.

Thanks in advance. I'm very confused here and need help.

[Ras922]

Over the years, any time I’ve ever mentioned the words “secret combination” in a dialogue among LDS, inevitably I am asked, “You’re not one of those conspiracy theory nutcases, are you?” This topic appears to be taboo. Why this is, I’m not sure, but it may be due to our desire for acceptance among the mainstream populace. Perhaps it is just the membership in my locality, and yet, in talking with what lDS, who lives in another town, he also comes across the same response.

Try this experiment, if you get a chance. In a conversation with other LDS, ask the group whether anyone thinks there’s a secret combination set up today, and, if so, could they identify it? You’ll probably get responses ranging from “No, there aren’t any” to “Yes, there are. They are organized crime gangs, such as the Mafia, Yakuza and street gangs of all sorts.” It is doubtful that anyone will say that there are secret combinations larger than the Sicilian and Japanese mafias. I’ve found that most LDS are simply not interested in this topic and look at you weird if you broach it. Of course, I find their reaction to the subject even weirder than the subject itself, due to our conspiracy-based scriptures.

Conspiracy-Based Scriptures

That’s right. Our latter-day scriptures, the three non-biblical books, are full of conspiracy theories, which are presented as conspiracy fact.

In the Book of Moses (Pearl of Great Price) we learn that Cain started the first secret combination, becoming the Master Mahan. From that point on, there always existed a secret combination, which had the express purpose of murdering, obtaining riches (through plunder) and power (ruling over men) without consequences. (See Moses 5: 29-31, 51; 6: 15.)

In the Book of Mormon we learn of the Gadianton Robbers, a secret combination started by Gadianton, who received the secret combination plans directly from Satan himself. (See Helaman 6: 26-30.) This band of Gadianton Robbers plagued the Nephites throughout their history, eventually causing their entire destruction. (See Helaman 2: 13; Ether 8: 21.) We also learn that Nephi saw that there would be secret combinations among us in the latter-days. (See 2 Nephi 26: 22.) In addition to the (plural) secret combinations that Nephi saw in vision among us, we learn that Moroni saw that there would be a (singular) great secret combination among us in the latter-days, one that particularly would seek “to overthrow the freedom of all lands” and that “bringeth to pass the destruction of all people.” (See Ether 8: 23, 24.) The Book of Mormon also explains that the Jaredites had a secret combination among them, the plans of which were written in their records and put into action by Akish at the instigation of Jared and his beautiful daughter. (See Ether 8: 7-18.) This jareditish secret combination eventually destroyed the Jaredites. (See Ether 8: 21.)

The Doctrine and Covenants also mention secret combinations. Section 38 explains that “the enemy is combined” (v. 12), that there is a “thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time” (v. 13) and that “the enemy in secret chambers seeketh your lives” (v. 28.) Section 38, in fact, contains instructions on how to “escape the power of the enemy” (v. 31). The law of the church (section 42) was also given “for this cause” (v. 32.) The Word of Wisdom, section 89, was also given “in consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days.” (See D&C 89: 4.) Secret combinations are also mentioned in D&C 42: 64 and in D&C 117: 11 (the Nicolaitane band.) Additionally, Joseph Smith writes in D&C 123: 13 that the LDS should expose all the secret combinations had among us, specifically, his words were that “we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them.”

We have the charge, so why the taboo?

Our latter-day scripture is filled to the brim with details about both ancient and modern secret combinations, what they consist of, how they operate, what their goals are, and how to combat them and Joseph Smith himself gives us the charge to reveal all the secret works, so that they are no longer secret (which is their real power), so why is this such a taboo subject?

[1984Orwellherenow]

Thanks!!! I wasn't sure if radical Muslim extremists should be considered gadiantions or not, but this is all too clear!

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

It's not often we hear a Prophet be a proponent of a war. This is an incredible piece. Thank you all.

Perhaps you should read it a little more carefully.....he definitely wasn't a proponent for war!

This is just a ridiculous comment through and through. I see what you are doing here. I wonder how Prophet Hinckley would feel about a claiming member misconstruing his words to support a personal agenda.

Are you're a proponent of the semantics game or just reading challenged. I didn't say a proponent for war, and you should know better than to suggest I did. He definitely advocated going to war against radical Islam to protect freedom. Any other reading of that passage is nothing more than pure dishonesty and a lousy attempt to skew scriptures to ones own pre-conceived notions. Perhaps you should read and reflect a little more carefully... being honest with ourselves is the first step.

[1984Orwellherenow]

OK, you guys have me confused. Please help me out.

It seemed like Dan was calling others to repentance based on some personal knowledge and/or revelation. Is this incorrect? no

Then, it seemed Mahori was justifying calling others to repentance based on personal revelation and/or interpretation, but then says scriptures aren't for personal interpretation. I was saying the scriptures tell us to call people to repentence. The scriptures say they are not for personal interpretation

So, I don't really get which one you are calling for. Are you calling to repentance to scripture? Or to personal interpretation? And, if this call to repentance is based on personal revelation then what's the point of it being personal? And if it's not personal and should lead us to call others to repentance [to the message inside our personal revelation], then what's the point of having a single prophet? After all, this is saying personal revelations are prophetic warnings and.

If I understood anything incorrectly, or if this was simply a call to repentance based on scripture, then please provide the scripture.

Thanks in advance. I'm very confused here and need help.

That's not a response at all. I was a fan of punt, pass, and kick in highschool... mostly punt though. Can someone else please help me with my questions?

[freedomforall]

Over the years, any time I’ve ever mentioned the words “secret combination” in a dialogue among LDS, inevitably I am asked, “You’re not one of those conspiracy theory nutcases, are you?” This topic appears to be taboo. Why this is, I’m not sure, but it may be due to our desire for acceptance among the mainstream populace. Perhaps it is just the membership in my locality, and yet, in talking with what lDS, who lives in another town, he also comes across the same response.

Try this experiment, if you get a chance. In a conversation with other LDS, ask the group whether anyone thinks there’s a secret combination set up today, and, if so, could they identify it? You’ll probably get responses ranging from “No, there aren’t any” to “Yes, there are. They are organized crime gangs, such as the Mafia, Yakuza and street gangs of all sorts.” It is doubtful that anyone will say that there are secret combinations larger than the Sicilian and Japanese mafias. I’ve found that most LDS are simply not interested in this topic and look at you weird if you broach it. Of course, I find their reaction to the subject even weirder than the subject itself, due to our conspiracy-based scriptures.

Conspiracy-Based Scriptures

That’s right. Our latter-day scriptures, the three non-biblical books, are full of conspiracy theories, which are presented as conspiracy fact.

In the Book of Moses (Pearl of Great Price) we learn that Cain started the first secret combination, becoming the Master Mahan. From that point on, there always existed a secret combination, which had the express purpose of murdering, obtaining riches (through plunder) and power (ruling over men) without consequences. (See Moses 5: 29-31, 51; 6: 15.)

In the Book of Mormon we learn of the Gadianton Robbers, a secret combination started by Gadianton, who received the secret combination plans directly from Satan himself. (See Helaman 6: 26-30.) This band of Gadianton Robbers plagued the Nephites throughout their history, eventually causing their entire destruction. (See Helaman 2: 13; Ether 8: 21.) We also learn that Nephi saw that there would be secret combinations among us in the latter-days. (See 2 Nephi 26: 22.) In addition to the (plural) secret combinations that Nephi saw in vision among us, we learn that Moroni saw that there would be a (singular) great secret combination among us in the latter-days, one that particularly would seek “to overthrow the freedom of all lands” and that “bringeth to pass the destruction of all people.” (See Ether 8: 23, 24.) The Book of Mormon also explains that the Jaredites had a secret combination among them, the plans of which were written in their records and put into action by Akish at the instigation of Jared and his beautiful daughter. (See Ether 8: 7-18.) This jareditish secret combination eventually destroyed the Jaredites. (See Ether 8: 21.)

The Doctrine and Covenants also mention secret combinations. Section 38 explains that “the enemy is combined” (v. 12), that there is a “thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time” (v. 13) and that “the enemy in secret chambers seeketh your lives” (v. 28.) Section 38, in fact, contains instructions on how to “escape the power of the enemy” (v. 31). The law of the church (section 42) was also given “for this cause” (v. 32.) The Word of Wisdom, section 89, was also given “in consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days.” (See D&C 89: 4.) Secret combinations are also mentioned in D&C 42: 64 and in D&C 117: 11 (the Nicolaitane band.) Additionally, Joseph Smith writes in D&C 123: 13 that the LDS should expose all the secret combinations had among us, specifically, his words were that “we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them.”

We have the charge, so why the taboo?

Our latter-day scripture is filled to the brim with details about both ancient and modern secret combinations, what they consist of, how they operate, what their goals are, and how to combat them and Joseph Smith himself gives us the charge to reveal all the secret works, so that they are no longer secret (which is their real power), so why is this such a taboo subject?

Hang in there. It is those people that don't want to know about the conspiracies that President Benson referred to as being "asleep and apathetic." Don't worry to much about them, they may find out the hard way. It's the same thing for missionaries finding potential prospects, some will listen while others slam the door shut.
You're on the right track.

[Jason]

Thanks!!! I wasn't sure if radical Muslim extremists should be considered gadiantions or not, but this is all too clear!

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

It's not often we hear a Prophet be a proponent of a war. This is an incredible piece. Thank you all.

Perhaps you should read it a little more carefully.....he definitely wasn't a proponent for war!

This is just a ridiculous comment through and through. I see what you are doing here. I wonder how Prophet Hinckley would feel about a claiming member misconstruing his words to support a personal agenda.

Are you're a proponent of the semantics game or just reading challenged. I didn't say a proponent for war, and you should know better than to suggest I did. He definitely advocated going to war against radical Islam to protect freedom. Any other reading of that passage is nothing more than pure dishonesty and a lousy attempt to skew scriptures to ones own pre-conceived notions. Perhaps you should read and reflect a little more carefully... being honest with ourselves is the first step.

LOL....sure just specify where he stated "radical Islam"....if not....then take what you just said and repeat it again to the man in the mirror!

[Mahonri]

That's not a response at all. I was a fan of punt, pass, and kick in highschool... mostly punt though. Can someone else please help me with my questions?

how was that not an answer? Instead of spouting insults, try clarifying if someone doesn't answer the question to your satisfaction

[Original_Intent]

Actually if we go thru what President Hinckley said, I believe we can discern a few things that you might have missed on a first reading. Let our agenda be seeking the truth of what I assume were some very carefully chosen words of our prophet at this time.

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. (He makes it clear here that this is not to become a war based on religion.) I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent.(think about what that entails - certainly he was plainly saying that sancions against populations or widespread attacks with civilian massive civilian causalties was not to be supported) Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation. Read and re-read those last two sentences, until you comprehend that "the Islamofacsists" did NOTHING to "woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society". And yet President Hinckley clearly states "We see the same thing in the current situation." You accuse Mummy of twisting words to fit an agenda, I am of the opinion that he spoke to those who had ears to hear!)
We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

President Hinckley condemned "the terrorists". Certainly those who carried out 9/11 fit that description as also would anyone who would carry out a campaign entitled "Shock and Awe". If you do not understand, look up the definition of hte word terrorist - it is someone who seeks to bring about political change thru inciting terror in the population. Does not "Shock and Awe" clearly define terror as the means to the end?

President Hinkckley stated that the terrorist organizations needed to be "ferretted out and brought down." The definition of "ferreted out";

To uncover and bring to light by searching.

So the terrorist organization needed to be brought to light and exposed. Have we been "friendly, helpful, protective and supportive" of the Iraqi and Afghan people?

Now am I going to try and convince you that 9/11 was an inside job or anything else of the sort? NO! But I will say that President Hinckley gave some very clear and carefully worded advice that was largely NOT FOLLOWED, and I don't think anyone could argue otherwise.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Actually if we go thru what President Hinckley said, I believe we can discern a few things that you might have missed on a first reading. Let our agenda be seeking the truth of what I assume were some very carefully chosen words of our prophet at this time.

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. (He makes it clear here that this is not to become a war based on religion.) I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent.(think about what that entails - certainly he was plainly saying that sancions against populations or widespread attacks with civilian massive civilian causalties was not to be supported) Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation. Read and re-read those last two sentences, until you comprehend that "the Islamofacsists" did NOTHING to "woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society". And yet President Hinckley clearly states "We see the same thing in the current situation." You accuse Mummy of twisting words to fit an agenda, I am of the opinion that he spoke to those who had ears to hear!)
We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

President Hinckley condemned "the terrorists". Certainly those who carried out 9/11 fit that description as also would anyone who would carry out a campaign entitled "Shock and Awe". If you do not understand, look up the definition of hte word terrorist - it is someone who seeks to bring about political change thru inciting terror in the population. Does not "Shock and Awe" clearly define terror as the means to the end?

President Hinkckley stated that the terrorist organizations needed to be "ferretted out and brought down." The definition of "ferreted out";

To uncover and bring to light by searching.

So the terrorist organization needed to be brought to light and exposed. Have we been "friendly, helpful, protective and supportive" of the Iraqi and Afghan people?

Now am I going to try and convince you that 9/11 was an inside job or anything else of the sort? NO! But I will say that President Hinckley gave some very clear and carefully worded advice that was largely NOT FOLLOWED, and I don't think anyone could argue otherwise.

Ooh my! I didn't know some of you have actually twisted the words of the prophet to support some internal agenda. Christianity's interpretations of the Bible are vast and numerous. Mormanity's interpretations of the words of the Lord's servants are just as radically altered... My, my, my!

[1984Orwellherenow]

Actually if we go thru what President Hinckley said, I believe we can discern a few things that you might have missed on a first reading. Let our agenda be seeking the truth of what I assume were some very carefully chosen words of our prophet at this time.

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. (He makes it clear here that this is not to become a war based on religion.) I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent.(think about what that entails - certainly he was plainly saying that sancions against populations or widespread attacks with civilian massive civilian causalties was not to be supported) Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation. Read and re-read those last two sentences, until you comprehend that "the Islamofacsists" did NOTHING to "woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society". And yet President Hinckley clearly states "We see the same thing in the current situation." You accuse Mummy of twisting words to fit an agenda, I am of the opinion that he spoke to those who had ears to hear!)
We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

President Hinckley condemned "the terrorists". Certainly those who carried out 9/11 fit that description as also would anyone who would carry out a campaign entitled "Shock and Awe". If you do not understand, look up the definition of hte word terrorist - it is someone who seeks to bring about political change thru inciting terror in the population. Does not "Shock and Awe" clearly define terror as the means to the end?

President Hinkckley stated that the terrorist organizations needed to be "ferretted out and brought down." The definition of "ferreted out";

To uncover and bring to light by searching.

So the terrorist organization needed to be brought to light and exposed. Have we been "friendly, helpful, protective and supportive" of the Iraqi and Afghan people?

Now am I going to try and convince you that 9/11 was an inside job or anything else of the sort? NO! But I will say that President Hinckley gave some very clear and carefully worded advice that was largely NOT FOLLOWED, and I don't think anyone could argue otherwise.

You should write a letter to the General Office and ask for clarification. You really need some clarification here.

[Jason]

Actually if we go thru what President Hinckley said, I believe we can discern a few things that you might have missed on a first reading. Let our agenda be seeking the truth of what I assume were some very carefully chosen words of our prophet at this time.

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. (He makes it clear here that this is not to become a war based on religion.) I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent.(think about what that entails - certainly he was plainly saying that sancions against populations or widespread attacks with civilian massive civilian causalties was not to be supported) Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation. Read and re-read those last two sentences, until you comprehend that "the Islamofacsists" did NOTHING to "woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society". And yet President Hinckley clearly states "We see the same thing in the current situation." You accuse Mummy of twisting words to fit an agenda, I am of the opinion that he spoke to those who had ears to hear!)
We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

President Hinckley condemned "the terrorists". Certainly those who carried out 9/11 fit that description as also would anyone who would carry out a campaign entitled "Shock and Awe". If you do not understand, look up the definition of hte word terrorist - it is someone who seeks to bring about political change thru inciting terror in the population. Does not "Shock and Awe" clearly define terror as the means to the end?

President Hinkckley stated that the terrorist organizations needed to be "ferretted out and brought down." The definition of "ferreted out";

To uncover and bring to light by searching.

So the terrorist organization needed to be brought to light and exposed. Have we been "friendly, helpful, protective and supportive" of the Iraqi and Afghan people?

Now am I going to try and convince you that 9/11 was an inside job or anything else of the sort? NO! But I will say that President Hinckley gave some very clear and carefully worded advice that was largely NOT FOLLOWED, and I don't think anyone could argue otherwise.

You should write a letter to the General Office and ask for clarification. You really need some clarification here.

Have you found where he stated "radical Islam" yet????

[1984Orwellherenow]

Have you found where he stated "radical Islam" yet????

Dudes, I don't play semantics games, dudes. Whaddyawannacallem then? He was talking about radical muslim extremists and could not have been more clear.

Seriously, dudes, write a letter asking for clarification. The answer you receive will be challenging, but it will bless your lives, dudes, as you internalize it and support the prophetic message.

[1984Orwellherenow]

Dudes, let me help you out some more, dudes:

You are acutely aware of the events of September 11, less than a month ago. Out of that vicious and ugly attack we are plunged into a state of war. It is the first war of the 21st century. The last century has been described as the most war-torn in human history. Now we are off on another dangerous undertaking, the unfolding of which and the end thereof we do not know. For the first time since we became a nation, the United States has been seriously attacked on its mainland soil. But this was not an attack on the United States alone. It was an attack on men and nations of goodwill everywhere. It was well planned, boldly executed, and the results were disastrous. It is estimated that more than 5,000 innocent people died. Among these were many from other nations. It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil.

Recently, in company with a few national religious leaders, I was invited to the White House to meet with the president. In talking to us he was frank and straightforward.

That same evening he spoke to the Congress and the nation in unmistakable language concerning the resolve of America and its friends to hunt down the terrorists who were responsible for the planning of this terrible thing and any who harbored such...

...Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions.

Dudes, President Hinckley said, in as plain and clear speech as possible, that American citizens solidly stand with President Bush who had declared war, and support his efforts in ferreting out the terrorists through this war effort! You can twist this and turn this inside out to make it something that it is not, but that takes great effort. If you take this to mean anything other than Prophet Hinckley supporting President Bush in the war on terror, and going overseas to catch the terrorists, then you are openly denying a message sent directly from the Lord's messenger, dudes!