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How well do you cope with your knowledge that there will be some significant changes to our living conditions in the near future. Can you adjust to the thought and be happy, or does it cause you to toss and turn in your bed at night? Personally I am having a struggle adjusting to the idea of what I think the next ten years will be like. Give me the 1950s back please.

That depends on where your treasures lie. As long as my wife and kids are well and safe I'll find happiness without much of anything else.

What bothers you about it? No SUV? No more Netflix? No more WalMart?

I'll take the 1850's myself. :ymapplause:

Gimme the 80's with the new wave! B-)

Ehh, I just want things to be over already. Bring it!

I stress about it a lot. I feel like I have done a good job on the physical preps, my spiriituality I have only really seriously been filling my lamp for about a year. I still struggle with a LOT of things such as concerns about how much I will be willing to share, possibly my own family starving if I share too much, worry that I cannot learn enough about home production to be self sufficient in the time we have left, &c.

Every now and then I get a glimmer that the Lord is pleased with my efforts, that everything is going to be all right, yes we have some tough times ahead but beyond that things are going to be better than we can imagine - so we just need to endure and look forward to the good part.

I know that my power in the priesthood is nowhere near where it needs to be. I have some great promises in my P.B. but of course they are conditional upon my worthiness - and although I am far ahead of where I was 18 months ago, I am still extremely selfish and not service oriented in my life. I'm still very focussed on "taking care of number 1". I'm still not overall a happy person, which tells me that I still have a lot of work to do and need to refocus and rededicate.

I really need to work on self pity. I don;t show that side of myself much here on the forums, but I tend to feel that I am always getting screwed out of raises, never getting credit, etc. I really need to let go of a lot of that baggage and work on building Zion and know that there is a perfect record being kept and just have faith, and worry more aobut the mercy that I NEED in my life and less about the justice, which, as with all of us, justice is really NOT what I want. But I gotta quit thinkning that life isn;t fair and have the attitude of gratitude - something that I really struggle with (depression and anxiety make that difficult, but not impossible).

Original_Intent wrote:I stress about it a lot. I feel like I have done a good job on the physical preps, my spiriituality I have only really seriously been filling my lamp for about a year. I still struggle with a LOT of things such as concerns about how much I will be willing to share, possibly my own family starving if I share too much, worry that I cannot learn enough about home production to be self sufficient in the time we have left, &c.

Every now and then I get a glimmer that the Lord is pleased with my efforts, that everything is going to be all right, yes we have some tough times ahead but beyond that things are going to be better than we can imagine - so we just need to endure and look forward to the good part.

I know that my power in the priesthood is nowhere near where it needs to be. I have some great promises in my P.B. but of course they are conditional upon my worthiness - and although I am far ahead of where I was 18 months ago, I am still extremely selfish and not service oriented in my life. I'm still very focussed on "taking care of number 1". I'm still not overall a happy person, which tells me that I still have a lot of work to do and need to refocus and rededicate.

I really need to work on self pity. I don;t show that side of myself much here on the forums, but I tend to feel that I am always getting screwed out of raises, never getting credit, etc. I really need to let go of a lot of that baggage and work on building Zion and know that there is a perfect record being kept and just have faith, and worry more aobut the mercy that I NEED in my life and less about the justice, which, as with all of us, justice is really NOT what I want. But I gotta quit thinkning that life isn;t fair and have the attitude of gratitude - something that I really struggle with (depression and anxiety make that difficult, but not impossible).

Thanks for the honest post. It's nice to know I don't struggle alone. Some of my extended family have no clue what is ahead, and they are quite happy and upbeat. Truly ignorance can be bliss.

I fret about it a great deal. It was easier when my wife was alive, we worked and counseled together. Now, I try to keep it up but it knaws at me that it isn't enough, that I haven't done the right things to prepare. Between work, kids, household chores (we used to share), garden, temple work, canning, yadda, yadda, yadda.....anyway it's frustrating to not have enough hours in the day to accomplished all the preparation work that needs to be done. Bah! Humbug! ( I know, whine, whine, whine.......sigh @-) .

I do worry that I'm not prepared enough, but still I'm taking it one day at a time. I can only do what I can do. I truly believe that if we are doing all we can to prepare, the Lord will help us with those things we weren't able to do. My main worry is for my children and grandchildren, because some of them don't have the gospel in their lives and that scares me. Nevertheless, I do what I can and then leave the rest to the Lord.

Interestingly enough, even though I know I could do far more to prepare both temporally and spiritually (which I work on day by day, most of the time), I am quite at peace about the upcoming calamities. What I am more worried about is what I am doing with time in between. I almost feel like it's harder to be where I need to be when I have so much. I am always worried that I am not serving enough, that I am not giving enough, that I am not humble enough. I worry that the great destructions that will humble a good number of us will not come soon enough, that maybe they are still farther out than I expect them to be and in the mean time I can buy all that junk from Wal-mart, eat out far too often, fill my house full of the latest technology all with the knowledge that people in some other corner of the world are suffering and I don't know what in the world I can do about it. I want to just be grateful that I have so much, but sometimes I feel like I waste a lot of what I have and there is more I could / should be doing. That being said, I am the mother of young children with another on the way, so I feel like my time and energy are stretched pretty thin as is. Anyone else feel that way?

I vacillate between being paralyzed to being frantic with activity. Last week with all that was going on, I was sure we were not going to make it through the week. This week, I feel like some have mentioned, I need to work on my spiritual prep more.

I'd be a liar though to say I wasn't worried...I mean, I am prepared temporally, and I study the scriptures daily, but I feel so weak in so many areas.

I also watch programs or movies on the net to help me "forget".

All that said though, the thing I love is coming here and "keeping in touch" with the things that come up on the threads during the day. I love that many post news stories and others post things on finance, gardening, health, support, and then there are always the absurd things...I try to let those go. But this helps me with my sanity. God knows, that if it weren't for the things I have learned on this site, I would not be where I am today. Thanks to many of you! :ymapplause:

Readily accessable money has been our salvation a couple of times in the past. Or biggest dilemma is whether to put more money into preparedness (we have a year's supply as it is), especially for our kids who are not there yet, or to keep more than what may to some to be seem enough funds readily available.

So you understand better, I know of members who have had to sell retreat properties because of unexpected financial needs.

Looking forward to the fall of babylon. Been through lots of tribulations all my life and I know they will be much worse in the future. But one thing I have learned from my past and current troubles is that adversity can bring out the best in people so I'm also looking forward to the refining fire.

I actually swing back and forth between whether I am too focused on preparedness or not enough. We have our year supply in everything except money to pay the bills for a year. We have enough seeds for two years. I think I worry too much about what is going on around me in the world. I do believe things are going to take much longer to happen than we think. Otherwise there wouldn't be the scripture of people saying the Lord delayeth his coming. I worry that I am not enjoying the small things while I am raising my children.

Nan wrote:I actually swing back and forth between whether I am too focused on preparedness or not enough. We have our year supply in everything except money to pay the bills for a year. We have enough seeds for two years. I think I worry too much about what is going on around me in the world. I do believe things are going to take much longer to happen than we think. Otherwise there wouldn't be the scripture of people saying the Lord delayeth his coming. I worry that I am not enjoying the small things while I am raising my children.

But, in the strictest sense, does your post not say "the Lord delayeth His coming" ? I am not being critical of you in any way, I am trying to point out to you - a LOT of people feel and say exactly this way - so isn't that fulfillment? :-B

And just so you know, I agree with you. I have often felt that we could be another 40-60 years away (or even more!) So much has happened within jsut the last couple of years it is hard not to get a sense of urgency and that we are at the brink. Again, even if wrong, I think that it is a good thing because many of us tend to procrastinate unless we have that sense of impending crisis - maybe 40 years of that is the wilderness we need to wander before we are ready for the promised land.

I will admit, I probably put too much weight in the Palmoni scrolls. I don;t copnsider them scripture, but I do consider them very scholarly and well researched and it makes sense to me. And until I see evidence to the otherwise, that is pretty much the "paradigm" that I am working from - hence the sense of urgency. But if they turn out to be wrong, it is not going to be a trial of my faith or anything of the sort.

The more prepared I am the better I feel. The part that I am most worried about is the unknown. The waiting is the hardest part. B-)

Sometimes I am at calm and know that this must happen and feel that the Lord is guiding all these events to allow the saints to rebuild zion. Some wounds hurt when they are cleaned out but the end result is a whole body. Other times I am like why can't we all just get along. I like my air condition and heating and comfy bed. I really don't want to be in a tent for 2 to 3 years which I image will be the case until we rebuild power plants, factories, farms, housing and ect...

I know it is near and like others BABYLON must fall and once the wicked are outed I can't imagine how better everyone's lives will be. All the suffering in the areas of the world where the TPTB have total control could be eliminated. Most of those people just need good clean water and half the diseases they suffer though would be eliminated. With today's technology there should not be one person hungry or one person homeless unless they choose to be. All those billions of Gold going to waist.

Original_Intent wrote: I will admit, I probably put too much weight in the Palmoni scrolls. I don;t copnsider them scripture, but I do consider them very scholarly and well researched and it makes sense to me. And until I see evidence to the otherwise, that is pretty much the "paradigm" that I am working from - hence the sense of urgency. But if they turn out to be wrong, it is not going to be a trial of my faith or anything of the sort.

Any chance you could elaborate? I'm not sure I know what you are talking about here.

As for me, I worry for other reasons. I don't overly worry about my self, rather my wife. If things really did go down quickly. I would not last long. I have health conditions that are just not conducive to economic crashes. Meaning being without my meds, and or a transplant i'll be taking the next step before too long. That being said I worry about my wife having enough, and having to do it alone. Also on that note it is what is making me/us hesitant to have children...hard to decide to have a child, knowing I may not be there to see my child turn 1-2 and leave my wife to handle that responsibility alone....So you see it isn't merely "where your heart is" that causes you to toss and turn over things as some on here would like to make us believe. Some of us have legitimate concerns that go beyond money, or comfort objects....although too be honest i'd be pretty upset about losing Netflix as well

I've had my share of worry about this. Short of winning the lottery and having a few hundred million to spend, I don't think I'll ever be able to be as thorough in my preparations as I would like. There is always something more that I want to do. Lately though, I've tried to focus more on the end result and why the crash is necessary. The world today is a mess, the Gadiantons are running rampant and I'm tired of it all. I try to keep that in mind and compare it to what we know about the world during the millenium and its been helping me stress less. From that perspective, I say bring it; I'm more than ready for a change, whether I personally survive it or not.

I don't think the "cleansing" will be anytime soon. Suffering, tribulation and want may come anytime soon, but I expect more time will yet be given us for search and rescue.

7cylon7 wrote:The more prepared I am the better I feel. The part that I am most worried about is the unknown. The waiting is the hardest part. B-)

I figured with the smiley that this is a Tom Petty reference, just wanted to let you know that if it was, SOMEONE appreciated it!

Original_Intent wrote:I will admit, I probably put too much weight in the Palmoni scrolls. I don;t copnsider them scripture, but I do consider them very scholarly and well researched and it makes sense to me. And until I see evidence to the otherwise, that is pretty much the "paradigm" that I am working from - hence the sense of urgency. But if they turn out to be wrong, it is not going to be a trial of my faith or anything of the sort.

Amen...until I get further light and knowledge that's the paradigm I'm anticipating as well!

I worry at times....but mostly about whether I am doing the things RIGHT NOW that I should be doing? As others have said - I could win the lottery and spend it on a concrete dome house in Alaska with several acres of gardens and not feel prepared enough. What will be will be.....but am I doing all that is within the capability of what I have been blessed with to be a wise steward????

As for the future....what will happen will happen in whatever timing the Lord desires. Let the chips fall where they may!

John Locke wrote:

Original_Intent wrote: I will admit, I probably put too much weight in the Palmoni scrolls. I don;t copnsider them scripture, but I do consider them very scholarly and well researched and it makes sense to me. And until I see evidence to the otherwise, that is pretty much the "paradigm" that I am working from - hence the sense of urgency. But if they turn out to be wrong, it is not going to be a trial of my faith or anything of the sort.

Any chance you could elaborate? I'm not sure I know what you are talking about here.

As for me, I worry for other reasons. I don't overly worry about my self, rather my wife. If things really did go down quickly. I would not last long. I have health conditions that are just not conducive to economic crashes. Meaning being without my meds, and or a transplant i'll be taking the next step before too long. That being said I worry about my wife having enough, and having to do it alone. Also on that note it is what is making me/us hesitant to have children...hard to decide to have a child, knowing I may not be there to see my child turn 1-2 and leave my wife to handle that responsibility alone....So you see it isn't merely "where your heart is" that causes you to toss and turn over things as some on here would like to make us believe. Some of us have legitimate concerns that go beyond money, or comfort objects....although too be honest i'd be pretty upset about losing Netflix as well

While I share most of the sentiments here, I have great faith that all will come out good. Because we all know who wins. John as you decide whether or not to have a child, I feel that should not be a great concern. I know the scripture well that says "wo until those heavy laden with child..." We too have been contemplating this. We have decided that whatever the Lord sees fit to bless us with is sufficient for us. I personally would like more children, my wife not so much. I am not the one who carries the child, nor the one with great medical problems. But I look forward to the trials as they only increase my faith/knowledge of the Lord and his goodness. I have 5 Children now and am not sure I could protect them all. My fears lay in, not being home for my family when something happens as I work 100 miles away from my family. I am not prepared. I am a convert of the church and as I grew in faith and understanding I started to understand the importance of it. I did not have the family as an example for mine. My local leaders may have refernced these things but I don't feel they were urgent in their pleadings enough to motivate me. Now the I finally realize the importance of it all I feel woe-fully behind the curve. I do however know the Lord will take care of my family. I can see how the Lord has prepared us in other ways. 5 years ago I started into real estate investing. Though that experience didn't work out for me financially, I increased my abilities immensely. I can see how Heavenly Father works in mysterious ways to prepare us even when we don't realize it. In hindsight I have seen this pattern repeated over and over again in my life.

John I hope Father heals you sufficient for you to see the glory of children in your family. To me my joy revolves around my children and their relationship with their Heavenly Father. I hope everyone gets this opportunity. Children have a way of making even the most grim of situations seem ... well easy. They don't know and better.

Now to get the physical things in order.

20... Courage, brethren; and on, on to the victory! Let your hearts rejoice, and be exceedingly glad. Let the earth break forth into bsinging. Let the dead speak forth anthems of eternal praise to the King Immanuel, who hath ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison; for the prisoners shall go free.

23Let the mountains shout for joy, and all ye valleys cry aloud; and all ye seas and dry lands tell the wonders of your Eternal King! And ye rivers, and brooks, and rills, flow down with gladness. Let the woods and all the trees of the field praise the Lord; and ye solid brocks weep for joy! And let the sun, moon, and the morning stars sing together, and let all the sons of God shout for joy! And let the eternal creations declare his name forever and ever! And again I say, how glorious is the voice we hear from heaven, proclaiming in our ears, glory, and salvation, and honor, and immortality, and eternal life; kingdoms, principalities, and powers!

24Behold, the great day of the Lord is at hand; and who can abide the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appeareth? For he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fuller’s soap; and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he shall purify the sons of fLevi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. Let us, therefore, as a church and a people, and as Latter-day Saints, offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness; and let us present in his holy temple, when it is finished, a book containing the records of our dead, which shall be worthy of all acceptation.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad I only have been "awake" for the last year. Before I finished my schooling and could do much about preparation and paying debt, I was blissfully ignorant, listened to Sean Hannity and considered myself a Reagan Conservative.

Now that I am gainfully employed, I could begin to feel the oppression of the Matrix for the first time. This feeling got me studying and let me to Dr. Jones 911 Lectures which really woke me up big time. I was aware of these lectures from the beginning, but never gave them serious attention.

Wow, after being convinced by Dr. Jones I really was stressed for a few months there after realizing the extent of the corruption. I wasn't used to all the false alarm doom predictions either. I admit taking MRE's with me on a family vacation last summer. Anyways, I feel more a peace with things now. I am getting out of debt and have made good strides in my preparation and am active in my church callings and home teaching.

I have to admit, my wife and I have not been completely equally yoked on this. She is comes from a very strong LDS family, and so far has done as well as I probably can expect. She has been fine with year supply and getting out of debt, but other preparations like materials to sew clothing, and some extra propane she is not as enthusiastic about. Fortunately a relative died recently and left me money, so I have been able to spend that on prep.

But, I can understand, I was blind to it all for many years, and I grew up with David H Horne as a neighbor who got me Ham Radio certified when I was 10. So, there was a bit of conspiracy theory paranoia around me from an early age even though I was unaware of the George A Smith vision until just a couple weeks ago.

No joke, I have a geiger counter, dosimeter, and manual on how to manage a nuclear fallout shelter in my closet right now given to me by Bro. Horne at seminars featuring speakers like Sharon Packer from 20 years ago.

I may be young but I have my food/water/weapons/ammo/seeds ect. ect. ect...

If its any consolation, I will be serving an honorable full time mission (somewhere) fighting the good fight in a few months? What better thing than that could there be to help our cause? I hope it will give us that much more time to prepare temporally and spiritually. When I return, I hope things will still be afloat so i can better prepare the needs of my future family!! I have been blessed to have a relative pay for a large part of my mission which has helped me immensely