LDS Freedom Forum

When my stake president was asked about the whole "eat meat sparingly" thing, he explained how refrigeration allows us to eat meat and keep it all year long with little consequence. Whereas in the past, it would just go to waste if you can't keep it cold. Just a thought.

As far as killing for the sake of killing. Well that's flat out immoral. If people are hunting/fishing for sport, I don't see what's terrible about it. I don't do it, I don't plan on doing it either. If people are killing for the intent of satisfying their thirst for animal murder, that's wrong. I don't see how anyone could dispute that. If they are hunting because they enjoy the peace in the wilderness with the challenge of conquering an animal, well so be it. When the economy goes to crap, I'm going to rely on my neighbors and ask for advice from those who are hunters. Perhaps I should prepare myself now?

As long as the food is used as food and not just left there, I see no problem with it.

I thought the natives conquered the "no refrigeration" thing well with pemmican. Even today we have Slim Jims.

If the economy goes bad why would anybody climb over their food storage to get their gun and go hunting?

Sheesh, you don't want to hunt, eat meat, then don't! But you'll rue the day you didn't learn to hunt, fish and how to prepare the meat. Also, it would seem with some we must not look at studying wild food books, no guns, no weapons, spending you life afraid of what life is going to deliver around the next corner---

I'm amazed with some of you folks, plants are living things also, that obviously means its barbaric to kill the plants for food. I guess then we're left with eating dirt---but then, aren't there "living things" in dirt?? Worms, insects, bacteria-- I once heard the recipe that won a worm cooking contest, the name of the prize winning recipe---Pineapple Upside Down "SURPRISE cake! I suspect, we'll be reduced to eating each other if things get this ridicules. Where do we draw the line with killing and eating the living things God placed on the earth---to eat! Was it not He who supplied the ancient Israelites with--- quail? Ya think they just needed the feathers?

Are you guys aware that the Church owns and runs large cattle ranches and feed lots, there's one three miles from my home! Your not aware that Church run BYU raises tons of pork and chickens in their Spanish Fork Utah part of campus? Are you aware that the animals killed for food for Bishops Storehouses "and" feeding students at BYU are "killed" on campus property, in the Animal Science Building, just West of University Ave in Provo? Why, if you go there, you can watch! AND, you can purchase the meat, "meat" from animals just recently "KILLED!"

People, Beef steak is nothing more than processed salad!

Bob

bobhenstra wrote:Sheesh, you don't want to hunt, eat meat, then don't! But you'll rue the day you didn't learn to hunt, fish and how to prepare the meat. Also, it would seem with some we must not look at studying wild food books, no guns, no weapons, spending you life afraid of what life is going to deliver around the next corner---

I'm amazed with some of you folks, plants are living things also, that obviously means its barbaric to kill the plants for food. I guess then we're left with eating dirt---but then, aren't there "living things" in dirt?? Worms, insects, bacteria-- I once heard the recipe that won a worm cooking contest, the name of the prize winning recipe---Pineapple Upside Down "SURPRISE cake! I suspect, we'll be reduced to eating each other if things get this ridicules. Where do we draw the line with killing and eating the living things God placed on the earth---to eat! Was it not He who supplied the ancient Israelites with--- quail? Ya think they just needed the feathers?

Are you guys aware that the Church owns and runs large cattle ranches and feed lots, there's one three miles from my home! Your not aware that Church run BYU raises tons of pork and chickens in their Spanish Fork Utah part of campus? Are you aware that the animals killed for food for Bishops Storehouses "and" feeding students at BYU are "killed" on campus property, in the Animal Science Building, just West of University Ave in Provo? Why, if you go there, you can watch! AND, you can purchase the meat, "meat" from animals just recently "KILLED!"

People, Beef steak is nothing more than processed salad!

Bob

.....as long as you eat it!

...and in my opinion....the defense of food.

Its when we kill to satisfy other appetites that we get in trouble.....

M249Gunner wrote:Sometimes rabbits can over populate themselves and become a plague (like locusts). I have heard of it being so bad in Idaho that the farmers would get online with clubs and walk through fields and club them. If they didn't, they would have no crops. While on my mission, while sitting in a barber shop, I read an article about a plague of rabbits in Australia that were demolishing crops. It only took a handfull of rabbits to wipe out an acre. I don't remember the exact number, though it didn't seem like much. I know my granddad, who was a farmer, had trouble with magpies stealing all his fruit. The birds wipe out the cherries in my Mom's tree before they can be harvested. Animals do need to be controlled for us to survive.

They're not indigenous to Australia, and as is often the case with introduced species, they easily overrun the place without the natural competition that's in place "back at home". It's not a rabbit rule everywhere. Although, everywhere they dwell, those love puppies have a nasty reputation of getting a little out of control in their underground festivities and all. Watch out on a fox down cycle!

I feel so full of knowledge sometimes and can't believe I know so much about so many different things. Rabbits? Come on Orwell!!!

Moss Man wrote:Men hunt animals because the animals have already done all of the work for them. The animals have already eaten the gathered nuts, seeds, grass and berries that men are too lazy to gather. Men steal the animals' work from them by taking their lives.

I think it's interesting that meat-eaters take offense when their lifestyle is questioned but what's offensive is that the meat-eaters "dominion", or authority, is exercised in dedicating vast quantities of corn, soy, GMOs, hormones, etc. to be forced on animals that are born into captivity, live in cruelty and die in agonizing fear. Imagine being pregnant and having your baby stolen, then getting pregnant again just to have your baby stolen. Your babies are taken off to a small cell where they become veal.

How's that for PC!

Men steal from animals who have stolen from the plants! Perfect justice!

I have a little jingle:

Go, go, GMO
Feed the world, make it grow
Throw some phosphate if you dare
and club the heads of nasty hares

Water water water water
water more as it gets hotter

monsanto roundup works the best
to kill all those pesky pests
DDT free is not for me
I go sterile and need no bees

combine combine
chop down all mine
pack it, rack it, or stack it
feed more, more, more bovine

Hey, OI, can this go into your poems thread, eh comrades?

Moss Man wrote:I thought the natives conquered the "no refrigeration" thing well with pemmican. Even today we have Slim Jims.

If the economy goes bad why would anybody climb over their food storage to get their gun and go hunting?

Because my lot is way to small for any meaningful farming and I'd get too board sitting inside with my comrades. I'd be like "hey comrades, let's grab them guns and go do us some bird poppin' or something". I'm just saying that's one reason.

1984Orwellherenow wrote:

Moss Man wrote:I thought the natives conquered the "no refrigeration" thing well with pemmican. Even today we have Slim Jims.

If the economy goes bad why would anybody climb over their food storage to get their gun and go hunting?

Because my lot is way to small for any meaningful farming and I'd get too board sitting inside with my comrades. I'd be like "hey comrades, let's grab them guns and go do us some bird poppin' or something". I'm just saying that's one reason.

Glad to see you are running with it!

Sheesh, you don't want to hunt, eat meat, then don't! But you'll rue the day you didn't learn to hunt, fish and how to prepare the meat. Also, it would seem with some we must not look at studying wild food books, no guns, no weapons, spending you life afraid of what life is going to deliver around the next corner---

Here that might apply, but how many good fishermen spend a day fishing and get skunked or only get 1 or two? Same deal deer/elk/bear/... hunting. It is ridiculous calculus that leads one to the conclusion that fish will live past the first month of untreated sewage and thousands of trot-lines. Meat critters will be very scarce very quick. Rabbit snares might do you some good but fish and big game will be gone in the first month. As to prep, any meat can be sliced thin and dried, nothing much to learn except to do it in a light cold smoke (you want dried not kippered).

I second the wild native plants. Yucca and cattails are wonder foods, not to mention the many and varied other useful plants.

In the end though food storage will make all the difference.

How many people do you know that can live in Utah off the land year round survival style now (let alone in a manic shoot everything hordes of starving polluting people mad max environment), there are many pretenders, but not many that could really go a whole year without the store. Of course you could find a field with thousands of rabbits and a good water source and camp on it for a year eating rabbits, but in the end that won't prove much.

Anyone that thinks otherwise should prove otherwise (to themselves, not to me, I frankly don't care). For most everyone the answer is, of course, the one given day in and day out by the prophets.

And for the record, I don't see anyone telling anyone not to eat meat here, rather to only kill for food when necessary. But then it was the prophets saying it, so perhaps the wrath should be directed at them.

Proper preparation is being prepared in every needful thing. I don't get skunked on the lake, I'm smarter than the fish---

Bob

1984Orwellherenow wrote:

Moss Man wrote:Men hunt animals because the animals have already done all of the work for them. The animals have already eaten the gathered nuts, seeds, grass and berries that men are too lazy to gather. Men steal the animals' work from them by taking their lives.

I think it's interesting that meat-eaters take offense when their lifestyle is questioned but what's offensive is that the meat-eaters "dominion", or authority, is exercised in dedicating vast quantities of corn, soy, GMOs, hormones, etc. to be forced on animals that are born into captivity, live in cruelty and die in agonizing fear. Imagine being pregnant and having your baby stolen, then getting pregnant again just to have your baby stolen. Your babies are taken off to a small cell where they become veal.

How's that for PC!

Men steal from animals who have stolen from the plants! Perfect justice!

I have a little jingle:

Go, go, GMO
Feed the world, make it grow
Throw some phosphate if you dare
and club the heads of nasty hares

Water water water water
water more as it gets hotter

monsanto roundup works the best
to kill all those pesky pests
DDT free is not for me
I go sterile and need no bees

combine combine
chop down all mine
pack it, rack it, or stack it
feed more, more, more bovine

Hey, OI, can this go into your poems thread, eh comrades?

That jingle sounded more like a flat tuba. :ymapplause:

Moss Man wrote:That jingle sounded more like a flat tuba. :ymapplause:

Ehh, I'm more of a air instruments type. Air tuba's don't look cool. I mean, could you imagine jamming out on your air tuba while going through the peep screens at the airport? No, right. Now imagine it with an air electric guitar. Totally!

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Bob, I can't resist since you set yourself up for it...
The other day fellow posters Bob walked in and caught me with my hand in the fishtank. Surprised, Bob asked what the heck I was doing. "I'm imposing my will on the fish," I said, "watch." Soon the fish were swimming in circles and jumping up in the air, in short whatever I asked them to do, they did it.
"How on earth?" Bob stated, startled at the exhibition.
"Well, because I am more intelligent than they are, I am able to impose my will upon the fish."
"Wow! That's really neat," Bob said and I left.

Well this morning I walked in and caught Bob with his hand in the fish tank. I was the startled one when Bob turned and waved his arms making like flippers and made fish lips at me (it seems the fish had imposed their will upon him!).

Smarter than the fish? To quote "A River Runs Through It," "only take three more years to think like a fish!"

Lol, my fish tank is called Utah Lake, thats where I keep my fish fresh. I seriously doubt you've seen me there, I have a secret place! Crappie and white bass are my favorite food fish, and they're pretty easy to catch---"if" your smarter than the fish!

Are you???

Bob

Those that know me know the answer to that well enough.

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:Those that know me know the answer to that well enough.

I thought not!

Bob

bobhenstra wrote:Lol, my fish tank is called Utah Lake, thats where I keep my fish fresh. I seriously doubt you've seen me there, I have a secret place! Crappie and white bass are my favorite food fish, and they're pretty easy to catch---"if" your smarter than the fish!

Are you???

Bob

The white bass practically jump into your lap, but crappie? Hmmm... Yummmm.... You keep talking crappie, Bob, and I'ma start stalking you. I need to figure them out. Tasty little buggers, they are. Tasty and little.