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here it is... as Alex says ... we are at V2.


If your going to buy something or go travel someplace do it now.

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Sure do agree with what he says about Glenn Beck in that link - didn't see anything about Willaims (Lindsay I assume?)

edit: ah nm I found the video you were referring to (I think, watching it now)

Feels like spin....

This explains what is happen in the middle east right now!!!! @-)

Folks it is here. @-)

it will get worse and worse each month to the final collapse in 2012. wow

Mummy wrote:Feels like spin....

only time will tell... .I hope it is just spin.

7cylon7 wrote:

Mummy wrote:Feels like spin....

only time will tell... .I hope it is just spin.

Have you seen any efforts to get internal oil production going as of late???

They won't do this UNTIL the crisis hits it' s peak. Then domestic oil will be open.

7cylon7 wrote:They won't do this UNTIL the crisis hits it' s peak. Then domestic oil will be open.

I'll believe it when I see it! Everything I've seen and know....is just the opposite!

What Lindsey is describing sounds like a plan to where they can continually perpetuate the robbing of the wealth of this country for another good 50+ years. I really doubt that it will even get to that point. I see it falling through if they attempt this. I would agree that we should get our homes in order though. It's kind of interesting that he urges people to get a six month to a years worth of food storage. Sound familiar?

Don't put your trust in flesh and be disappointed if the final collapse doesn't come in 2012. That is all.

iamse7en wrote:Don't put your trust in flesh and be disappointed if the final collapse doesn't come in 2012. That is all.

LOL....or be surprised if it happens prior....like the end of 2011!

The fundamentals of crude oil are that we are as a world hopelessly oversupplied and under delivered. There is more oil than we could use up at whatever rate.

Mummy wrote:

7cylon7 wrote:

Mummy wrote:Feels like spin....

only time will tell... .I hope it is just spin.

Have you seen any efforts to get internal oil production going as of late???

That's the whole point Mummy....that's why Obama has suspended any domestic drilling...they want to control who gets what, and America has had it too good for too long. So, now, we will have to live like the rest of the world...in poverty. Global governance..spread the wealth globally.

iamse7en wrote:Don't put your trust in flesh and be disappointed if the final collapse doesn't come in 2012. That is all.

I don't think this is straight from DEITY!!! #:-s This is just a possible outcome. So far he as been right. I keep all my option open. I hope it does not happen. It will give me more time to prepare... I have a few more items I would really like to get in place. But I will have my minimum of Food ready to go. Working on other survival gear. and I don't have a shot gun yet for protection O:-) . So I still have a few things to get done.

Skousen think no sooner than 2015 to 2020. That would be fine with me but I think it will happen sooner.

waking wrote: That's the whole point Mummy....that's why Obama has suspended any domestic drilling...they want to control who gets what, and America has had it too good for too long. So, now, we will have to live like the rest of the world...in poverty. Global governance..spread the wealth globally.

So true waking. These folks do not believe in American exceptionalism. They are utopian global citizens for global governance. Kind of like the tax the rich crowd in a way. Bring those dirty SOB's down and redistribute their wealth. Useful idiots for the cause of global dictatorship. China and Russia want a New World (Communist) Order. Lets see how these western useful idiots fair in that global order of things. I'm betting a bullet in the head will be their reward. 8-|

Not trying to bag on Williams, and he may be right in this case, but after his claims didn't pan out of having inside information that the Gulf Oil crisis would result in a massive underwater oil volcano exploding killing millions, I've take every thing he says with a huge grain of salt.

Seems to me to be a lot of Smoke... Not much fire

I listened to see what he had to say about Beck... must have missed it... didn't hear it

This is what I never got get about conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones and friends. OK, I don't know whether his secret sources are right or not about whether or not our government made a secret deal with the Arabs about not drilling here for them to buy up our government debt or not... So what...

Most of these guys seem to believe that somehow exposing secrets (some of which may be true, many of which probably are not) will some how get the people’s attention and I don't know .. maybe the perpetrators will be exposed and perp walked by an enraged population. I think this is ineffective, and if anything marginalizes those who are hoping to be a clarion call and wastes energy getting people hyped up about conspiracies.

There are many in both high and low places that are pursuing destructive policies. They are not a homogeneous lot. They have a variety motives from true believers of false principles, to self serving rent seekers, to those searching to do as the Brain always end up telling Pinky... Conquer the word!.. So what!

We need to engage these guys in the arena of ideas; we need to stop the blocking drilling of oil wherever in the US it can be found. We need to persuade the public that destroying the economy through radical environmental laws is terrible to families and individuals. We need to persuade people that trying to get something from the government for free is evil. We need to convince people that spending money one doesn't have is destructive whether and individual, a company or a government, and that many other satanic ideas are bad.

I see this endless ranting over who is evil or deceptive because they believe in one conspiracy, but not in another as divisive. Think of the bitterness that has been expressed on this board by one member who slanders another because they don’t accept the conspiracy theory of another.

Alma had the right idea. When the Nephites started having trouble with rebellious communities, and wars from Lamanites aided by conspiring Nephites, he gave up his position as Chief Judge and devoted himself to missionary work to change the hearts of the people.

I think we need to focus on the bad practices that are being promoted, and spend less time foaming at the mouth over possible back room conspiracies that may or may not have happened.

Regards,

George Clay

Gclayjr


To late for that. I wish we could do that. But the secret combinations have total power and control. It would take an entire new congress full of all honest and principled people to turn this around. Your talk is to late. If you can do it go ahead. Get elected and spread your message. Good luck.

Revelations was written for a reason. This is going to happen and you can either just hope all day long that it won't or we can get prepared. I like to stay informed as much as possible. If it is bad intel then we can deal with that later. However, for years now he has not been wrong yet as far as I know.

This started back in 1773 and they have been getting stronger every single year until today. They hope to have this all wrapped up very soon. Those that have opposed them have been eliminated and never heard of again. Only now at the very end is some of the truth finally getting out.

You need to read some books because you need to get this information to help you make informed decisions.

pawns in the game. Red cloak over america, non dare call it conspiracy, common sense, naked communist, naked capitalist just to name a few.

7cyclon7

While aguing the futility of doing something positive to change the hearts of your fellow man ( and your arguement consists of little more than your asertion that this is so.. nothing more).

You, like all of the fringe conspiracy folks, still haven't made any reasonable arguement for what you expect to accomplish.

In other words, what positive good do expect to come from these rants?

Regards,

George Clay

waking wrote:

Mummy wrote:

7cylon7 wrote: only time will tell... .I hope it is just spin.

Have you seen any efforts to get internal oil production going as of late???

That's the whole point Mummy....that's why Obama has suspended any domestic drilling...they want to control who gets what, and America has had it too good for too long. So, now, we will have to live like the rest of the world...in poverty. Global governance..spread the wealth globally.

That's my point....it won't be us!

Canada is cranking it out, or rather has the proven ability to.

gclayjr wrote:7cyclon7

While aguing the futility of doing something positive to change the hearts of your fellow man ( and your arguement consists of little more than your asertion that this is so.. nothing more).

You, like all of the fringe conspiracy folks, still haven't made any reasonable arguement for what you expect to accomplish.

In other words, what positive good do expect to come from these rants?

Regards,

George Clay

Hey George,


I think you meant to post in a different thread. This thread is about Lindsey Williams appearing on Alex Jones. He predicted this crisis over 6 months ago. It is happening right now. That is a fact not a conspiracy theory. The Brotherhood is spreading its influence all over the middle east. The very least will be the resulting oil crisis for real this time. $200 a barrow of oil will make lots of poor Americans use all their money just to get to work and back and have little left over for food. Ezra Taft Benson a prophet of the lord say that it is not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy FACT. He said that every one should read "Non Dare Call it Conspiracy". Have you read this book? yes or no? It sounds like to me you have not. I would recommend reading "Pawns in the Game". A really good book that will give you some history was to why we are where we are at today. It is a great summary of why there are three WW planned and have been planned since 1776.

I do agree with your Alma statement, The word had more effect on the people than anything else even the sword in turning the people's hearts back to G*d. The gospel is the only thing that could save this world from the predicted ruin (nuclear) that Ezekiel, Danial, Malachi and John and oh Mathew and hold on the DC and hold on John Taylor, Brigham Young ...ect.... have said would come. How is our missionary work going? 16 million member world wide (1/2 may be inactive, I know in my ward 150 families on the rolls about 80 come regularly.) So yes, the best course of action would be to do your missionary work. But with 6.7 BILLION our little flock of 16 million is not enough to make a huge difference in the battle against the secret combonations that exist.

As they say we should plan for the worst but hope for the best. I will continue to do what I can to change the hearts and minds of my fellow man yet I know that it will not be enough. This is going down before our very eyes. I hope this is only a small bump. I hope Mr. Williams is misinformed and nothing happens yet, from what I know this information has always been right and for 35 years now.

What do I hope to accomplish? Well, I hope to be informed and the more informed you are the better you are able to make decisions. This information should motivate anyone who might of been on the fridge to action. Follow the prophet and get your food supply now, Get out of debt and prepare yourself spiritually to follow the spirit. How can that be bad?

I guess the prophet was on the fridge of conspiracy theories like me. I think you need to do some more studying. See J Rueben Clark, See Ezra Taft Benson, See David O McKay and could go on. This is not a fridge idea Clay. I think that maybe you are just not as informed about your situation yet.

7cylon7,

I read None Dare call it Conspiracy, years ago. I am also quite familiar with the writings and lectures of Cleon Skousen ... Naked Communist...Capitalist...etc (Compare Cleon Skousen to his son Joel...quite a difference). I am a big admirer of Ezra Taft Benson, and J Ruben Clark, and many others.

You may misunderstand me. I know there are many conspiracies out there. The scriptres are clear about it. I just don't believe every rumor or assetion of a conspiracy is real. Many people are fooled both ways. I'm sure that some of the conspiracies are real, but some are insane, such as multiple shooters of Kennedy, or empty Jets colliding into Sky Scrapers which are actually brought down by government sabateurs.

My point is that the focus on looking into every corner to discover and analyze and argue about every consiracy asserted by someone is a distraction and may create endless arguements, but are not usefull.

We know there are consipacies, we know that the world is charging into a disaster following "false Gods".

Rather than argue nit picking one consiracy or another, Use our energies to convice people of true principles.

It doesn't matter whether there was a secret deal between the U.S. governemtn and the Saudis, the fact of the matter we have pursued distructive energy policies. Use our energy to expose the poor policies and convince people to follow correct principles rather than ruminate over whether or not the government made some secret deal to not drill.

Regards,

George Clay

gclayjr wrote:7cylon7,

I read None Dare call it Conspiracy, years ago. I am also quite familiar with the writings and lectures of Cleon Skousen ... Naked Communist...Capitalist...etc (Compare Cleon Skousen to his son Joel...quite a difference). I am a big admirer of Ezra Taft Benson, and J Ruben Clark, and many others.

You may misunderstand me. I know there are many conspiracies out there. The scriptres are clear about it. I just don't believe every rumor or assetion of a conspiracy is real. Many people are fooled both ways. I'm sure that some of the conspiracies are real, but some are insane, such as multiple shooters of Kennedy, or empty Jets colliding into Sky Scrapers which are actually brought down by government sabateurs.

My point is that the focus on looking into every corner to discover and analyze and argue about every consiracy asserted by someone is a distraction and may create endless arguements, but are not usefull.

We know there are consipacies, we know that the world is charging into a disaster following "false Gods".

Rather than argue nit picking one consiracy or another, Use our energies to convice people of true principles.

It doesn't matter whether there was a secret deal between the U.S. governemtn and the Saudis, the fact of the matter we have pursued distructive energy policies. Use our energy to expose the poor policies and convince people to follow correct principles rather than ruminate over whether or not the government made some secret deal to not drill.

Regards,

George Clay

LOL.....yeah its so much more believable for barely "marksman" Oswald to shoot someone 5 stories below him while moving away from him at varying speeds with a dilapidated rifle with loose scope mounts.....or that Bld 5 went down at free fall from a small fire in one side of the building while the completely burned out shattered remains of Bld's #6 and #7 had to be "pulled" down.....etc etc etc.

....but yeah let's try and teach correct principles to ignorant people who can't even understand the basic laws of physics and what happens directly in front of their own eyes!

Regards,
Mummy
Semper Fi