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Teancum wrote:Jenedele has still not responded to any specific criticisms against Bro Mitt. Some points that require Pro Mitt believerss response are listed below
(from http://www.awakeandarise.org/blog/wp-co ... jCx4aTrA: ):
1. He supported a woman's complete freedom to abort babies

“Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney
declared: ‘I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have
since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US
Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years
we should sustain and support it.’ "
(NOTE: Romney has supported abortion since before the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling!)
- Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

2. He supported gay rights more than the most liberal Democrat possibly could (Ted Kennedy) and supports indoctrination of grade school children with the gay right mentality.

“In seeking the support of the Log Cabin Republican Club, Romney wrote them a
letter promising that ‘as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and
lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent.’ ”
[His opponent at the time was Sen. Ted Kennedy, perhaps the foremost advocate of
homosexual rights in the U.S. Senate.]
- Boston Globe, 10/17/1994

Despite the over 2,500 pedophilia cases now on record involving homosexual scout
leaders, Romney stated, "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in
the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." In the same article, a BSA
official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy.
- Boston Globe, 10/27/1994

The 2002 Olympics – run by Mitt Romney – was the only Olympics that restricted
the Boy Scouts from participating. According to news reports, this was apparently
because of pressure from homosexual activists. (But also, according to reports,
homosexual groups participated fairly prominently.) Romney would not respond to
reporters’ questions about that action. - NewsMax.com, Dec. 18, 2000

3. He was instrumental in creating the first government takeover over of healthcare in the US, only to be seen now as the model for Obamacare (universal healthcare).

In 2006, Romney introduced a universal health care bill (which passed the Legislature
in a slightly amended version) which has been criticized by conservatives as being
socialistic.
Republican Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney is trying to accomplish in his
final year in office what Democrats can only dream of these days: boosting
government spending on and regulation of health care and requiring individuals to
purchase government-designed policies. Romney’s plan, which is backed by
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such liberals as Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, Mass.), is being pitched as a compact
between citizens and the state.
- National Review Online, 1/26/2006

4. He supports the use of lethal FORCE in order to impose "democracy" or FREEDOM on foreign countries (no different than Satan's plan in premortality).

"Romney supported the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq and backs Bush's current troop increase" (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5007252.html

5. He belittles the Second Amendment

"He [Romney] is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban."
- Romney 2002 campaign website

5. He believes in raising taxes or "fees" instead of slashing government borrowing and spending

"His first budget, presented under a cloud of a $2 billion deficit, balanced the budget
with some spending cuts, but a $500 million increase in various fees was the largest
component of the budget fix." Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card -
America's Governors, 2004. Romney was rated a "C" overall by Cato.
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6. He does little to curb sexual vice and actually helped promote it at Mariott

"Romney has criticized what he calls the "cesspool" of pornography. However, in July 2007, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, the president of the American Family Foundation, and Daniel Weiss, media analyst for James Dobson's Focus on the Family said Romney had not prevented Marriott Hotels from making pornography available in its hotel rooms when he served on the hotel chain's board from 1992 to 2001." WNBC. 2007-07-02. http://www.wnbc.com/politics/13629915/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
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His political record (or fruits) is one full of compromising away morality and agency in exchange for political advancement.

I kindly ask you to please respond directly to each of these points (point by point without mentioning his LDS affiliation). Then, please explain how Bro Mitt's LDS affiliation overrides his anti-Christian, anti-Freedom political history, shown above.

I remind you: threads on a forum are for discussion. Please address the points above.

lundbaek wrote:If Mitt Romney is so brilliant, why, pray tell, does he not use his strengths to rally Latter-day Saints and lead the charge in preparation of a people who will want to live under the principles of the U.S. Constitution that the American Founding Fathers and the Lord intended us to live under ?

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:

Then it would be just as right to create a forum or thread supporting Lucifer or Obama on this Forum.

Hard to fathom, but I believe that yes, it would. Not that I would, but I believe in freedom of speech. A pro-Obama person has just as much right to be on here, as well as some New-Ager who worships Lucifer (even though I shudder at the thought).

Still guys, you're grasping at straws when you have to bring up the concept of a pro-Satan thread to make your point.

Wow -- Mahonri. I, one of the few non-Americans on this site claiming to know something about free speech! Fancy that.... Please spare your ridiculous insults.

On further thought: I am going to stop using the term "American." I happen to be every bit as much of an "American" as all you citizens of the U.S.

And this Anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, (and the law could have no hold upon him) began to preach unto the people that there should be no Christ. And after this manner did he preach, saying:

O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye yoke yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For no man can know of anything which is to come.

Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers.

How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.

Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.

And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof.

Now this man went over to the land of Jershon also, to preach these things among the people of Ammon, who were once the people of the Lamanites.

But behold they were more wise than many of the Nephites; for they took him, and bound him, and carried him before Ammon, who was a high priest over that people.

And it came to pass that he caused that he should be carried out of the land.

5tev3 wrote:

lundbaek wrote:If only Mitt Romney could use his strengths to rally Latter-day Saints and lead the charge in preparation of a people who will want to live under the principles of the U.S. Constitution that the American Founding Fathers and the Lord intended us to live under. Is there any evidence that he is doing this as Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin have been doing ?

+1 I voted for Chuck!

lundbaek wrote:For at least the 3rd time, If Mitt Romney is so brilliant, why does he not use his strengths to rally Latter-day Saints and lead the charge in preparation of a people who will want to live under the principles of the U.S. Constitution that the American Founding Fathers and the Lord intended us to live under ? He would not need to be a Prophet nor an Apostle. He would only have to abide by their teachings.

11For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man’s belief; therefore, a man was punished only for the crimes which he had done; therefore all men were on equal grounds.

Janadele wrote:Why not do so yourself lundbaek, no need to wait for someone else to do it for you.

Janadele wrote:This is a Pro MITT thread. Yankee rebels who struggle to understand proper English are hereby once again informed that this means anti Mitt posts and other nonsense are OFF TOPIC. Off Topic posts are against the Terms of Service of any responsible Forum. As a consequence, all rebels are instructed to go play in another thread. :-H

Janadele wrote:

Janadele wrote:This is a Pro MITT thread. Yankee rebels who struggle to understand proper English are hereby once again informed that this means anti Mitt posts and other nonsense are OFF TOPIC. Off Topic posts are against the Terms of Service of any responsible Forum. As a consequence, all rebels are instructed to go play in another thread. :-H

Janadele wrote:Take your OFF TOPIC posts to your own thread Mummy... or should that be Dummy

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:Mummy, perhaps YOU should read your scriptures a little more carefully:

Alma 30:11

11For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man’s belief; therefore, a man was punished only for the crimes which he had done; therefore all men were on equal grounds.

I have more to say about this, but do not have the time at the moment.

And this Anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, (and the law could have no hold upon him) began to preach unto the people that there should be no Christ. And after this manner did he preach, saying:

O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye yoke yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For no man can know of anything which is to come.

Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers.

How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.

Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.

And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof.

Now this man went over to the land of Jershon also, to preach these things among the people of Ammon, who were once the people of the Lamanites.

But behold they were more wise than many of the Nephites; for they took him, and bound him, and carried him before Ammon, who was a high priest over that people.

And it came to pass that he caused that he should be carried out of the land.

mattctr wrote: I actually found something I like about Mitt. His PAC website is pretty nice. He's apparently hired some great designers. My only negative feedback on the site http://freestrongamerica.com/ has to do with his logo. I personally have nothing against it, but it does prominently feature an upside-down star using the valley in the "M" as the tip of the star. While, an upside-down star has various symbolic meanings, some good and some evil, I'm afraid this leaves Mitt vulnerable to nonsensical attacks from the Christian right who might see it as a diabolical symbol, "proving" (in their own minds but absent of reason) that Mitt (and probably Mormons) are evil... You would think a politician like Mitt would be super sensitive not to use any symbols that might be labeled "occult" in his logo.... I hope no one makes a stink about it, but it is a potential liability among anti-Mormons who are looking to defeat Mitt based on his professed faith.