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I would like to thank the person that suggested the book, The Second Comforter:: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil. It is a wonderful book and I am learning a lot from it. So thank you whoever you are.

If you liked that book I think you will also like this one.

The Triumph of Zion-our Personal Quest for the New Jerusalem

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Thank you for the heads up! Just starting into the 1st one though based on recommendation from reese.....

Nan, The Second Comforter by Snuffer is indeed a very spiritual journey. I need to reread it soon.

Have any of you read his other books?

Nan I have read all of his books, I assume your talking about Denver Snuffer. I recommend them all, but be prepared to come face to face with some inconvient truths. They are all great, but "The 2nd comforter" is best.

reese wrote:Nan I have read all of his books, I assume your talking about Denver Snuffer. I recommend them all, but

be prepared to come face to face with some inconvient truths

. They are all great, but "The 2nd comforter" is best.

....that's the understatement of the year.....and I'm just getting started in it!

We have to face that we are not okay the way we are. That we must continually grow and change. And that God needs to shatter what we think about him and what we think we know about him over and over again until we do know him. Most people do not want to face the truth about themselves. It is hard to face.
I am really enjoying the book. I have had wonderful insights and learned much from it so far. And he was right about working on one thing at a time. And that I would know what that one thing should be.

The Second Comforter is definitely the best religious book, outside of the scriptures, that I have ever read. It is totally life-changing. I finished the book about 6 months ago and I am still working on that first one thing. It's a big one, but you've got to start somewhere. You can also check out his blog: denversnuffer.blogspot.com . He doesn't post there much anymore, but he used to post multiple times a day and it was always a highlight of my day to read it. He's turning those writings into a book, but if you don't want to wait go check it out. I recommend starting at the beginning and reading it all through. Lots of golden nuggets of wisdom and he's always pointing us back to Christ.

"The Second Comforter" is one of my favorite books after the scriptures as well. Another I would suggest is "Following the Light of Christ into His Presence" by John Pontius. He also has a great blog at http://www.unblogmysoul.wordpress.com.

As members of the church, sometimes we think that after we have been sealed in the temple we are done and just simply endure, but to me that is just the beginning of our journey. On average, we make all the generally available covenants in the first third of our lives and then spend the next two thirds of our lives keeping those covenants. Seeking the face of the Savior (D&C 93:1) to receive the second comforter should be the goal of every latter-day saint.

Mummy wrote:

reese wrote:Nan I have read all of his books, I assume your talking about Denver Snuffer. I recommend them all, but

be prepared to come face to face with some inconvient truths

. They are all great, but "The 2nd comforter" is best.

....that's the understatement of the year.....and I'm just getting started in it!

) Be prepared to open the door into a place that you never knew existed. It is amazing.

reese wrote: ) Be prepared to open the door into a place that you never knew existed. It is amazing.

I'm still heavily reflecting on how bad I want to open the door....the 1st 20 pages or so of wise warnings have rested heavy on my mind.

You need to open that door. It is the door we are all supposed to open if we want eternal life.

Nan wrote:You need to open that door. It is the door we are all supposed to open if we want eternal life.

Yes that is true....but it can also mean eternal damnation! Along the lines of "be careful what you pray for"....or "don't make a promise that you can't keep"....and especially "don't make a promise that you don't intend to keep"....

Of course as I was working my way back after years of inactivity during my stint in the Marine Corps and going astray....my wise bishop responded to arguments about delaying my return to the temple with "you already made those promises" to which I responded "but I don't remember them" to which he responded "but they are still binding".

I have also really enjoyed the Second Comforter and have read it twice. I agree there is also some great stuff on his blog. Many of his posts I have read more than once. His "Nephi's Isaiah" and "Eighteen Verses" were ok but I really enjoyed his "Come, Let us Adore Him." That is a powerful book with a unique perspective on Christ that I haven't found in any other LDS author. I highly recommend it.

Mummy wrote:

Nan wrote:You need to open that door. It is the door we are all supposed to open if we want eternal life.

Yes that is true....but it can also mean eternal damnation! Along the lines of "be careful what you pray for"....or "don't make a promise that you can't keep"....and especially "don't make a promise that you don't intend to keep"....

Of course as I was working my way back after years of inactivity during my stint in the Marine Corps and going astray....my wise bishop responded to arguments about delaying my return to the temple with "you already made those promises" to which I responded "but I don't remember them" to which he responded "but they are still binding".

I understand where you are coming from. I agree with your bishop. I think we have already come to far...where much is given, much is required. It is a bit frightening. I copied something from the newspaper a few weeks ago. It was an article by Brad Wilcox,and he was talking about the latest Narnia movie coming out. He said something about the boy in this story responding to Aslan(who represents Christ). It pretty much sums up my feelings on this topic.

"Though he feels a sense of fear, the beckoning Lion is impossible to resist, and he begins to follow."

I love this line. I feel the same way. I am compelled to follow this path through to its end, how can I resist the Lord?

reese wrote:

Mummy wrote:

Nan wrote:You need to open that door. It is the door we are all supposed to open if we want eternal life.

Yes that is true....but it can also mean eternal damnation! Along the lines of "be careful what you pray for"....or "don't make a promise that you can't keep"....and especially "don't make a promise that you don't intend to keep"....

Of course as I was working my way back after years of inactivity during my stint in the Marine Corps and going astray....my wise bishop responded to arguments about delaying my return to the temple with "you already made those promises" to which I responded "but I don't remember them" to which he responded "but they are still binding".

I understand where you are coming from. I agree with your bishop. I think we have already come to far...where much is given, much is required. It is a bit frightening. I copied something from the newspaper a few weeks ago. It was an article by Brad Wilcox,and he was talking about the latest Narnia movie coming out. He said something about the boy in this story responding to Aslan(who represents Christ). It pretty much sums up my feelings on this topic.

"Though he feels a sense of fear, the beckoning Lion is impossible to resist, and he begins to follow."

I love this line. I feel the same way. I am compelled to follow this path through to its end, how can I resist the Lord?

True....and He paid the purchase price to obtain the keys to death and hell as only a perfect one can do.....for which we are eternally indebted....then to top it off we are given our free agency to choose whether or not to follow. The weight of my inadequacy bears heavy at the thoughts....

How many times (over and over) have I fallen short of the mark...failed to live up to the knowledge.....yet I also, like you, feel a beckoning to follow....for how could anyone resist such pure sweet love? I pray I have the opportunity to kiss the feet of He who tread the wine press alone. Let the chips fall where they may at judgment.

Please don't take this is an attack, but I'd like a little insight here as I'm always a bit cautious when I hear people speaking with such adoration about someone who has revealed such supposedly deep and profound doctrinal mysteries, when that person appears is operating outside the priesthood "chain of command" so to speak. I don't think that truth only comes from the 1st Pres. but something of this nature seems to me to probably within their purview

I also have a hard time with someone who supposed has had their call and election made sure, write a book and profit from such a profound experience.

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Scarecrow wrote:Please don't take this is an attack, but I'd like a little insight here as I'm always a bit cautious when I hear people speaking with such adoration about someone who has revealed such supposedly deep and profound doctrinal mysteries, when that person appears is operating outside the priesthood "chain of command" so to speak. I don't think that truth only comes from the 1st Pres. but something of this nature seems to me to probably within their purview

I also have a hard time with someone who supposed has had their call and election made sure, write a book and profit from such a profound experience.

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If you call writing 500 pages and selling 2500 copies (via word of mouth - zero advertising - versus after conference propaganda for others)....a profit. Even at $10 a book (more like a dollar or two) you are only talking $25k for a year or two worth of work. Might ask Jack Monnett how rich he's gotten off of his books....which I think have sold in substantially more volume.

Get the book and read it! Well read the first 10 or 15 pages...then decide whether you are game to continue.

Scarecrow wrote:Please don't take this is an attack, but I'd like a little insight here as I'm always a bit cautious when I hear people speaking with such adoration about someone who has revealed such supposedly deep and profound doctrinal mysteries, when that person appears is operating outside the priesthood "chain of command" so to speak. I don't think that truth only comes from the 1st Pres. but something of this nature seems to me to probably within their purview

I also have a hard time with someone who supposed has had their call and election made sure, write a book and profit from such a profound experience.

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The adoration is of the Lord. Not Denver Snuffer. Snuffer is not teaching anything that cannot be found in the scriptures. He is teaching us to seek Christ, in this life. I have a hard time believing that anyone in the 1st Pres. would have a problem with that.
Also, the book is not at all about his experience. There is exactly one line with 7 words in which he describes his experience. The book is mostly about Nephi's experience and how Nephi is teaching us to seek our own.
One more thing, surely he can't be any worse than any of the twelve, or 1st Pres. who sell numerous books about their experiences.

Scarecrow, you really need to read The Second Comforter before you remark about Snuffer's motives. It's not at all what you suggest. He was asked to write the book; he didn't really want to. His approach is very humble.

Nan wrote:I would like to thank the person that suggested the book, The Second Comforter:: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil. It is a wonderful book and I am learning a lot from it. So thank you whoever you are.

Nan-

"Come Let Us Adore Him" is equally as good by Snuffer, read that next.


njb

kathyn wrote:He was asked to write the book; he didn't really want to.

Who asked him to write it? Thanks in advance!

StuckInIowa wrote:

kathyn wrote:He was asked to write the book; he didn't really want to.

Who asked him to write it? Thanks in advance!

This is what he says at the end of his book:

I have not written this book to call attention to myself but to call attention to these teachings and this part of the restored doctrines of Christ's gospel and to bear testimony of the truth of these things. I am irrelevant except insofar as I can testify to what He does for us. It is the Lord and His promises which are relevant. I have been asked by Him to write this and have done so because of that request. The request has been a trial and fearsome to undertake. But who am I to withstand Him? If it pleases Him to have this written, then my personal discomfort in writing about it is unimportant.