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Joined the Church in 1970. Moved from Texas to Salt Lake City in 1971 and lived there for ten years. Wrote and published The Great Conspiracy, later published as The Coming of World War III. Wrote articles for the Utah Independent newspaper. Ran for State Rep on the American Party ticket. Returned to Texas in 1981. I'm still here.

Glad to be a member of this forum. Hope I can contribute to the cause in some way.

rto

Glad to have you, welcome. Seeing your name listed on the bottom of the page, I clicked your web page link and have to say that I had never really considered the jewish death toll in WWII. After a quick calculation though at 1 a minute killed it would take 12 yrs to reach 6 million!!! The entire casualty count for WWII in all theaters is like 400,000. So...you contributed something to me already, thanks. I don't discount that a lot of jews died in WWII, but certainly nowhere near 6 million!

Welcome!

I briefly perused your website. Racial "purity" seems to be the predominant theme. Do you believe that mixed race marriages and/or adoptions are wrong?

ETA: You have the Protocols of Zion link displayed prominently. My understanding is that it was a hoax.

I had the same reservations about your site as jbalm. That and your comment about Skousen lead me to believe you might be an anti semite... please correct me if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I jumped to conclusions.

The protocols is not a hoax. After the discovery and exposure of the Illuminati, the plans of Amschel Rothschild of 1773 were also uncovered. Rothschild addressed a body of Jewish bankers and revealed his plans for conquest through control of national and international finance. These plans were published as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

A hoax is the Jew holocaust story. Pure fiction. The Jewish population of Germany was only 550,000 and most of them left.

Being anti-Jewish does not make one an anti-semite. As Israelites, we are descendents of Shem (Sem). Most of what the world calls Jews are Ashkenazim. They are a mix of Turk and Finnish blood, the ancient Khazars of Russia.

If by Jew you mean Judahite, they are assimilated amongst the other Israelites of Europe and Britain.

Holocaust pure fiction? So the "actors" starved themselves for the photo ops and for the troops that liberated the summer camps? Or did your hero hitler invent photoshop?

Holocaust pure fiction? So the "actors" starved themselves for the photo ops and for the troops that liberated the summer camps? Or did your hero hitler invent photoshop?

Come on, can not the man voice his opinion.
In my opinion, he is saying that the actual numbers do not add up to the "official story". Or the actual numbers add up to less than what the "official story" is taught us in the public school system.[/quote]

Actually, the above comments were made after ascertaining his position, not in ignorance.

After exchanging PM's etc... I can say that it is a fair characterization.

I know Ephraim mixed in heavily among the North countries, but Nordics are not wholly of Shem, Abraham, and Jacob. Even Abraham married a Japhethite, as well as a Hamite and Shemite. Joseph, who leaders of the modern Church claim to be predominantly of, married a Egyptian pagan named after a Syrian (northwest Semitic) goddess.

Japheth's tribe had the lightest skins of the tribes of Noah's family, and probably the progenitor of Europeans and lighter-skinned east Asians (Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, to name a few). Japheth means "to enlarge" ("I will enlarge Japheth". etc.) so he is likely the most widespread progenitor of the human family. Indo-European tongues spread across the globe.

Ashkenazi Jews call themselves that because Germany was called Ashkenaz by Jewish people, which was Gomer's son, who was in turn Japheth's son. The north countries were predominantly Gomer and Tiras to the west and Magog and Meshech to the east; with Javan taking the Mediterranean lands of Spain, Greece, and Italy; and the Indo-Aryans from Madai.

I don't know how accurate this is, but heres a list of Indo-Europeans connected to Japheth:

1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Croatians)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)

This is from
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGham.htm

Another one is found here:
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0110.htm

Meshech may be who the ancient city of Moscow is named after.

Interesting excerpt from Wikipedia on Tiras:

"Some have suggested that Tiras was worshipped by his descendants as Thuras, or Thor, the god of thunder. The earliest Norse sagas name Thor as an ancestral chieftain, and trace his origins to Thrace."

There are many similarities between the so called ancestral gods and names listed in the patriarchs of the Bible. Since they lived very long lives and evidently had some superior capabilities, added to the fact that they most likely believed in exaltation of human ancestors, it was probably only natural it would morph into treating them as gods.

Obviously some tribes mixed. Moses 8 says that Shem and Japheth had the same mother and father (Noah), so there probably was little difference between original Semites and Japhethites genetically. Ham is mentioned as marrying "Egyptus", and his mother is mysteriously not given in Moses 8. There is also a strange 42-year gap between Japheth and Shem, while only a 8 year gap between Ham and Shem. Did Noah have sons (or more likely, daughters) that were not mentioned, but went on the Ark? Hindus claim the flood patriarch had well more that 3 sons.

While some claim the flood wasn't global, it surely spread across the earth in the form of ancient tradition:
http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... e_Land.htm

(the last link says the Himalayas, not the Caucasus, were the mountains Noah's Ark landed on.)