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Great post. I just started bees this past year. I just did one hive to test out the hobby and it substantially increased our garden and fruit tree harvest. I found I enjoyed it so much that I have purchased 3 more hives and will take delivery in April on 3 more "sets" of bees to introduce into those hives. The effort is not a great deal more for one hive or four once you are suited up. It is cool when the sweet taste of honey on your bread came from the sweet fruit jam also used on the bread. The effort is not all that much and it is rewarding to watch them work away and build the hive. My little farm with our garden and bee's is a 2nd home I get away to each week when I can and just paying attention to them a handful of times a year is all that is needed. For anyone interested, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is very helpful and informative. Some of the other learning just comes from trial and error. I had the added bonus of missing out on a bee sting my first year. I am sure in time my vigilance will slacken and one of them will get me, but overall they are quite docile.dennis wrote:excellent ! Production Skills, much more important then dead food stored in a room. There are many skills to develop besides just gardening, for food production. Bee Keeping is one that I am excited about. Growing cultures is fasinating! Also foraging and gathering in the wild. Aqua culture. Quail raising for egg production. Small animals like rabbits and goats. Growing trees for fire wood. there are multiple ways to learn and practice self and group survival skills. Your friend might never get into gardening but he might enjoy other areas of production
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Recommendations on sources, equipment, etc.?Servant wrote:Great post. I just started bees this past year. I just did one hive to test out the hobby and it substantially increased our garden and fruit tree harvest. I found I enjoyed it so much that I have purchased 3 more hives and will take delivery in April on 3 more "sets" of bees to introduce into those hives. The effort is not a great deal more for one hive or four once you are suited up. It is cool when the sweet taste of honey on your bread came from the sweet fruit jam also used on the bread. The effort is not all that much and it is rewarding to watch them work away and build the hive. My little farm with our garden and bee's is a 2nd home I get away to each week when I can and just paying attention to them a handful of times a year is all that is needed. For anyone interested, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is very helpful and informative. Some of the other learning just comes from trial and error. I had the added bonus of missing out on a bee sting my first year. I am sure in time my vigilance will slacken and one of them will get me, but overall they are quite docile.dennis wrote:excellent ! Production Skills, much more important then dead food stored in a room. There are many skills to develop besides just gardening, for food production. Bee Keeping is one that I am excited about. Growing cultures is fasinating! Also foraging and gathering in the wild. Aqua culture. Quail raising for egg production. Small animals like rabbits and goats. Growing trees for fire wood. there are multiple ways to learn and practice self and group survival skills. Your friend might never get into gardening but he might enjoy other areas of production
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Yes. Got my bee's from Rossman Apiaries in GA. http://www.gabees.com/home.htm
The problem with them is they may not be taking any more reservations for bees this spring. I did check their site and it said May delivery still available, but if you are interested I would act quickly. Had a friend who decided to do bees last year and they lost out at Rossman because they waited and got bees locally. Needless to say theirs are gone and mine are thriving. I am sure there are many places locally that would be great, I just don't know who they are and was referred to Rossman from someone in the know. They also sell hives and equipment and packages of hives and equipment to start up. Their prices are roughly in line with others out there so you may order all from them if you choose. I would make sure I do Cypress wood and the hives made out of it do cost a little more so make sure you compare apples if you shop. My hives had to be assembled. Not a big deal, but takes an hour or two. If you want information on that let me know. One suggestion I would make is use a pneumatic staple gun instead of the nails they provide. That will save you hours and make the assembley much stronger to boot.
I ordered my queen marked so I could recognize her, but now I have been through a year probably would've found her anyway. My three sets ordered for this spring I had the queen marked as well just so I could quickly identify her. Sometimes a queen will be rejected, so you have to look in on them after the first few days to make sure she and the hiving are starting to thrive. If they reject her she is disposed of in natures way. The UPS guy about had a fit when he delivered them to my wife. Wish I wouldn't have been at the office. This year I think I will stay home that day just so I can watch him freak out about 20,000 bee's in a screened cage all buzzing away. The queen is also in the cage in her own little pod. You put her in the hive with the bees and they eat her out of her cage through a little hole filled with candy. Again, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is a must unless you have an expeienced mentor! I didn't have a mentor, so the book combined with lots of research online got me going.
The problem with them is they may not be taking any more reservations for bees this spring. I did check their site and it said May delivery still available, but if you are interested I would act quickly. Had a friend who decided to do bees last year and they lost out at Rossman because they waited and got bees locally. Needless to say theirs are gone and mine are thriving. I am sure there are many places locally that would be great, I just don't know who they are and was referred to Rossman from someone in the know. They also sell hives and equipment and packages of hives and equipment to start up. Their prices are roughly in line with others out there so you may order all from them if you choose. I would make sure I do Cypress wood and the hives made out of it do cost a little more so make sure you compare apples if you shop. My hives had to be assembled. Not a big deal, but takes an hour or two. If you want information on that let me know. One suggestion I would make is use a pneumatic staple gun instead of the nails they provide. That will save you hours and make the assembley much stronger to boot.
I ordered my queen marked so I could recognize her, but now I have been through a year probably would've found her anyway. My three sets ordered for this spring I had the queen marked as well just so I could quickly identify her. Sometimes a queen will be rejected, so you have to look in on them after the first few days to make sure she and the hiving are starting to thrive. If they reject her she is disposed of in natures way. The UPS guy about had a fit when he delivered them to my wife. Wish I wouldn't have been at the office. This year I think I will stay home that day just so I can watch him freak out about 20,000 bee's in a screened cage all buzzing away. The queen is also in the cage in her own little pod. You put her in the hive with the bees and they eat her out of her cage through a little hole filled with candy. Again, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is a must unless you have an expeienced mentor! I didn't have a mentor, so the book combined with lots of research online got me going.
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Servant
There are several of us here in Iowa that want to start a hive. I know where I could get the "stuff" but would they survive the extreme cold?
There are several of us here in Iowa that want to start a hive. I know where I could get the "stuff" but would they survive the extreme cold?
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We have had some pretty cold weather in Utah the past few weeks. Maybe not like IA, but sub zero nights and single digit days. I was down at my little farm last week (West Central Utah, much colder than SLC the past month) and worried about them due to the extreme cold, so I checked in on them. A few were dead around the inside of the hive, but overall they were doing great. You either need to feed them with sugar water or make sure there is enough honey left in the hive for them to survive the winter. I left most of my honey in this year just in case. They rotate themselves in a ball from the center to the outside to stay warm and eat...anyway that is my long answer to I am sure if they had enough food to keep them nourished they would survive the cold of Iowa. Due to your colder temps they may need more "food" to keep through the winter, but I am sure they would be fine.Songbird wrote:Servant
There are several of us here in Iowa that want to start a hive. I know where I could get the "stuff" but would they survive the extreme cold?
The one thing I kind of mentioned in my first post is the yield of our garden and fruit trees was amazing. That was the added bonus I hadn't factored in. With no exaggeration, I would say our garden and fruit yield was more than double in the past!
The other thing is, I found I loved the darn little things. It is such an amazing thing to watch them do so little individually, yet make so much collectively. Kind of gives you an eternal view of our value to the Lord. Anyway, those little gals are called worker bees for a reason. They are simply amazing. This is one of the most rewarding hobbies I have ever tried. Funny thing is there are people who transport their bees to CA or other places in the winter, get paid to take them to a farmers field and make a decent living. All so these bees will pollinate their crops. Not sure Almond honey is my favorite, but the beekeepers then sell the honey to boot. I am not interested in a new business as a beekeeper and the inherent stress I am sure they feel, but as a hobby it is really fun.
Sorry to ramble. As you might discern I have had fun with it.
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Thank you very much for the information....I'm probably a year out on trying that....my plate is full this year and it probably wouldn't fly at my current location. I am interested in learning lots more about it as well as gathering information on resources.Servant wrote:Yes. Got my bee's from Rossman Apiaries in GA. http://www.gabees.com/home.htm
The problem with them is they may not be taking any more reservations for bees this spring. I did check their site and it said May delivery still available, but if you are interested I would act quickly. Had a friend who decided to do bees last year and they lost out at Rossman because they waited and got bees locally. Needless to say theirs are gone and mine are thriving. I am sure there are many places locally that would be great, I just don't know who they are and was referred to Rossman from someone in the know. They also sell hives and equipment and packages of hives and equipment to start up. Their prices are roughly in line with others out there so you may order all from them if you choose. I would make sure I do Cypress wood and the hives made out of it do cost a little more so make sure you compare apples if you shop. My hives had to be assembled. Not a big deal, but takes an hour or two. If you want information on that let me know. One suggestion I would make is use a pneumatic staple gun instead of the nails they provide. That will save you hours and make the assembley much stronger to boot.
I ordered my queen marked so I could recognize her, but now I have been through a year probably would've found her anyway. My three sets ordered for this spring I had the queen marked as well just so I could quickly identify her. Sometimes a queen will be rejected, so you have to look in on them after the first few days to make sure she and the hiving are starting to thrive. If they reject her she is disposed of in natures way. The UPS guy about had a fit when he delivered them to my wife. Wish I wouldn't have been at the office. This year I think I will stay home that day just so I can watch him freak out about 20,000 bee's in a screened cage all buzzing away. The queen is also in the cage in her own little pod. You put her in the hive with the bees and they eat her out of her cage through a little hole filled with candy. Again, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is a must unless you have an expeienced mentor! I didn't have a mentor, so the book combined with lots of research online got me going.
- ChelC
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I finally talked Seth into bees, but I think they'll have to wait until 2012, darn it.
I actually feel much less foreboding than I have. I think it's because I made a purposeful decision to focus more on things I can do, and I pay less attention to the news. I feel more peace all the time. That's not to suggest that I look forward to the hardships that are coming, or that I deny they are coming. I get it. I just don't dwell as much on it.
I actually feel much less foreboding than I have. I think it's because I made a purposeful decision to focus more on things I can do, and I pay less attention to the news. I feel more peace all the time. That's not to suggest that I look forward to the hardships that are coming, or that I deny they are coming. I get it. I just don't dwell as much on it.
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I pose a statement and a question.
Concerning everyone in the church who has some type of food and/or staples in storage. Everyone has a different kind of supply, some have wheat, some have canned goods, and so on.
Is it possible that our faith will be tested even further through a request (to put it lightly) for everyone with any type of storage, whatever it may be, to be taken to a Bishops storehouse to be distributed from there? Just like the "plan of salvation", there will be those who run across the finish line, and there will be those who crawl across it, but all get the prize because of their efforts.
Think about it, everyone that takes their storage, small or large, to a storehouse would eat better, and for a longer period of time, than those who retain theirs. Thus, men, women and children who have taken what they have and put it in the storehouse would ultimately eat better, have blankets, toiletries and so on. It could fall under the law of consecration. And by taking all storage to a safer place, one does not have to worry about one's neighbor coming to rob or plunder, nor would one have to worry about the neighbors who have nothing. This responsibilty would fall on the Bishop.
My wife and I have little space to store a lot of goods, but we are striving to reach a years supply the best we can. I would take all I have to a storehouse in a flash if called upon to do so.
Just a thought!
Concerning everyone in the church who has some type of food and/or staples in storage. Everyone has a different kind of supply, some have wheat, some have canned goods, and so on.
Is it possible that our faith will be tested even further through a request (to put it lightly) for everyone with any type of storage, whatever it may be, to be taken to a Bishops storehouse to be distributed from there? Just like the "plan of salvation", there will be those who run across the finish line, and there will be those who crawl across it, but all get the prize because of their efforts.
Think about it, everyone that takes their storage, small or large, to a storehouse would eat better, and for a longer period of time, than those who retain theirs. Thus, men, women and children who have taken what they have and put it in the storehouse would ultimately eat better, have blankets, toiletries and so on. It could fall under the law of consecration. And by taking all storage to a safer place, one does not have to worry about one's neighbor coming to rob or plunder, nor would one have to worry about the neighbors who have nothing. This responsibilty would fall on the Bishop.
My wife and I have little space to store a lot of goods, but we are striving to reach a years supply the best we can. I would take all I have to a storehouse in a flash if called upon to do so.
Just a thought!
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Thank you for this Davedan...I have signed up...waiting for approval...davedan wrote:The place to go with Bee question is the Bee Source Forum
http://www.beesource.com/forums/index.php
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I am certainly not a pro, but happy to answer any questions based on my experience. Maybe this skill will help with a S(stuff)HTF scenario, but either way it is a lot of fun. There are a lot of things that I do for a hobby that will also help in a SHTF situation and many of them are my most enjoyable hobbies. I kind of try to incorporate these types of things, as hobbies, into what could also help if it all falls apart. Buy or check-out from a library "Beekeeping for Dummies". I have a few other books, but that is the best and easiest to understand. There are also tons of online resources. Do a Google search and you will find more than you can ingest.Mummy wrote:Thank you very much for the information....I'm probably a year out on trying that....my plate is full this year and it probably wouldn't fly at my current location. I am interested in learning lots more about it as well as gathering information on resources.Servant wrote:Yes. Got my bee's from Rossman Apiaries in GA. http://www.gabees.com/home.htm
The problem with them is they may not be taking any more reservations for bees this spring. I did check their site and it said May delivery still available, but if you are interested I would act quickly. Had a friend who decided to do bees last year and they lost out at Rossman because they waited and got bees locally. Needless to say theirs are gone and mine are thriving. I am sure there are many places locally that would be great, I just don't know who they are and was referred to Rossman from someone in the know. They also sell hives and equipment and packages of hives and equipment to start up. Their prices are roughly in line with others out there so you may order all from them if you choose. I would make sure I do Cypress wood and the hives made out of it do cost a little more so make sure you compare apples if you shop. My hives had to be assembled. Not a big deal, but takes an hour or two. If you want information on that let me know. One suggestion I would make is use a pneumatic staple gun instead of the nails they provide. That will save you hours and make the assembley much stronger to boot.
I ordered my queen marked so I could recognize her, but now I have been through a year probably would've found her anyway. My three sets ordered for this spring I had the queen marked as well just so I could quickly identify her. Sometimes a queen will be rejected, so you have to look in on them after the first few days to make sure she and the hiving are starting to thrive. If they reject her she is disposed of in natures way. The UPS guy about had a fit when he delivered them to my wife. Wish I wouldn't have been at the office. This year I think I will stay home that day just so I can watch him freak out about 20,000 bee's in a screened cage all buzzing away. The queen is also in the cage in her own little pod. You put her in the hive with the bees and they eat her out of her cage through a little hole filled with candy. Again, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is a must unless you have an expeienced mentor! I didn't have a mentor, so the book combined with lots of research online got me going.
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Thank you!!!Servant wrote:I am certainly not a pro, but happy to answer any questions based on my experience. Maybe this skill will help with a S(stuff)HTF scenario, but either way it is a lot of fun. There are a lot of things that I do for a hobby that will also help in a SHTF situation and many of them are my most enjoyable hobbies. I kind of try to incorporate these types of things, as hobbies, into what could also help if it all falls apart. Buy or check-out from a library "Beekeeping for Dummies". I have a few other books, but that is the best and easiest to understand. There are also tons of online resources. Do a Google search and you will find more than you can ingest.Mummy wrote:Thank you very much for the information....I'm probably a year out on trying that....my plate is full this year and it probably wouldn't fly at my current location. I am interested in learning lots more about it as well as gathering information on resources.Servant wrote:Yes. Got my bee's from Rossman Apiaries in GA. http://www.gabees.com/home.htm
The problem with them is they may not be taking any more reservations for bees this spring. I did check their site and it said May delivery still available, but if you are interested I would act quickly. Had a friend who decided to do bees last year and they lost out at Rossman because they waited and got bees locally. Needless to say theirs are gone and mine are thriving. I am sure there are many places locally that would be great, I just don't know who they are and was referred to Rossman from someone in the know. They also sell hives and equipment and packages of hives and equipment to start up. Their prices are roughly in line with others out there so you may order all from them if you choose. I would make sure I do Cypress wood and the hives made out of it do cost a little more so make sure you compare apples if you shop. My hives had to be assembled. Not a big deal, but takes an hour or two. If you want information on that let me know. One suggestion I would make is use a pneumatic staple gun instead of the nails they provide. That will save you hours and make the assembley much stronger to boot.
I ordered my queen marked so I could recognize her, but now I have been through a year probably would've found her anyway. My three sets ordered for this spring I had the queen marked as well just so I could quickly identify her. Sometimes a queen will be rejected, so you have to look in on them after the first few days to make sure she and the hiving are starting to thrive. If they reject her she is disposed of in natures way. The UPS guy about had a fit when he delivered them to my wife. Wish I wouldn't have been at the office. This year I think I will stay home that day just so I can watch him freak out about 20,000 bee's in a screened cage all buzzing away. The queen is also in the cage in her own little pod. You put her in the hive with the bees and they eat her out of her cage through a little hole filled with candy. Again, "Beekeeping for Dummies" is a must unless you have an expeienced mentor! I didn't have a mentor, so the book combined with lots of research online got me going.
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OI,Original_Intent wrote:Lost ark,
It's all well and good to say "If you share your food with others and starve yourself, well 'Greater love hath no man than this..." well in my opinion that is not inspired, that is "feel good gospel doctrine". Many of the saints crossing the plains slept on their food to keep it from being stolen by their fellow saints who were starving....
Now I will join you in being berated for my selfishness. I will say, if it were just myself, I;d actually be more inclined to share, but I have a family that is my primary responsibility.
Thank you for your positive remarks. And I agree, if it were just myself, I also would be much more inclined to share it all until it's gone. But I've got five children here with me. The oldest is 21, but the youngest is 6. What kind of a parent would I be to starve myself and leave her and her sisters without my guidance and protection?
FWIW, I think there will be a bit of sharing and trading going on. I don't have all the skills I need. I will gladly trade some of the extra food I have stored for what I need. Even the most prepared among us will forget to store something, or store enough of something, or be unable to find what we know we have stored.
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Share, work together, help each other, to me that is something to do today, Why Wait for a disaster?
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The whole share or not to share thing with food storage is kind of stupid. In fact, I think that food storage becomes a source of pride, "it's not sufficient for our needs", "it's more food storage than you" kind of thinking that is going to get people killed. Can you imagine not sharing with our neighbors and thousands's or perhaps millions of Russian, Chinese, or gadianton soliders are knocking at our doors, and our reponse is I have my years supply?
I'm not saying that it is not important to have a years supply, but maybe just maybe the sharing of food shows the Lord that the Satan does not control us, his policy is; me and mine, no love, no loyality, do not love of neighbors as ourselves all these exactly contradicting the Lords commandments. We let someone starve, we turn our heads, we loose much more than our humanity. We win when we show love regardless of our neighbors circumstances. The commandment is love our neighbors as ourselves. The commandment is not for our neighbors it is for us, can we live the commandment?
I think that Pres. Monson gave us the antidote of pride when he told us to have gratitude. In the end anyone with pride dies.
I'm not saying that it is not important to have a years supply, but maybe just maybe the sharing of food shows the Lord that the Satan does not control us, his policy is; me and mine, no love, no loyality, do not love of neighbors as ourselves all these exactly contradicting the Lords commandments. We let someone starve, we turn our heads, we loose much more than our humanity. We win when we show love regardless of our neighbors circumstances. The commandment is love our neighbors as ourselves. The commandment is not for our neighbors it is for us, can we live the commandment?
I think that Pres. Monson gave us the antidote of pride when he told us to have gratitude. In the end anyone with pride dies.
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Fine. Time to let the good times roll, and enjoy some of the toys everyone else has. I can depend on my neighbors taking care of me, right? I've had it with this holier than thou attitude, talk is cheap - certainly in our current situation it is easy to say you would do it. We'lll see if you can walk the walk - there's people starving in the world right now. Get out there and get sharing, you should not worry about preparing for the future, there are people in the world that are going to starve to death tonight - get out there and walk the walk.Book of Ruth wrote:The whole share or not to share thing with food storage is kind of stupid. In fact, I think that food storage becomes a source of pride, "it's not sufficient for our needs", "it's more food storage than you" kind of thinking that is going to get people killed. Can you imagine not sharing with our neighbors and thousands's or perhaps millions of Russian, Chinese, or gadianton soliders are knocking at our doors, and our reponse is I have my years supply?
I'm not saying that it is not important to have a years supply, but maybe just maybe the sharing of food shows the Lord that the Satan does not control us, his policy is; me and mine, no love, no loyality, do not love of neighbors as ourselves all these exactly contradicting the Lords commandments. We let someone starve, we turn our heads, we loose much more than our humanity. We win when we show love regardless of our neighbors circumstances. The commandment is love our neighbors as ourselves. The commandment is not for our neighbors it is for us, can we live the commandment?
I think that Pres. Monson gave us the antidote of pride when he told us to have gratitude. In the end anyone with pride dies.
As for me I will do as the spirit directs, but you folks that think it is going to be everyone bring your food storage to the chapel for distribution by the bishop have no clue of consecration or stewardship. It doesn't work that way. These people who laugh and say well I'll be over to your house if things go bad...lol, whatever. Anyone that has that as their survival plan - won't.
An people can act shocked about my attitude, go ahead, take your best shot. Mostly I see such things as posturing, make yourself look good on an internet forum - well, get out there and save the starving - or are things just not "bad enough" yet, you have to wait until the feathers hit the fan. I see.
- Zowieink
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We will continue to put up canning and storage. However, Book of Ruth, I agree with you that I will share with my neighbors and help them as much as possible. I have lived in the same house with the same neighbors for 25 years. We have all had our bad times, our grab for material goods, the "I'm better than them, they only drive a Suburban, while I drive an Escalade". But as we have gotten older we have matured and those things don't matter. Now, my neighbors and ward, if you were looking from the outside, would see a prosperous well knit ward doing good works...50 to 80 members attend ward them night consistantly, 95 to 100 percent home teaching, consistantly...95% recommend holders, blah, blah, blah. So, I tell you this that you may know that even with doing our best, we still have unemployment and underemployment. Many of my neighbors are using their food storage to live on. If things don't turn around then many will then have very little left. I don't think I should spurn them, because they don't have food storage. These are the people we have laughed with, cried with, help them bury children and spouses.
Original Intent I know you are probably talking about those that spend their money on TOYS. But, many, many member families have been obedient to the call of the prophet to be physically and spiritually prepared. It's not their fault that circumstances have caused them to utilitized that which the prophet told them to get....food storage and may be left without when the stuff really hits the fan. I really believe that the Church will initiate a communial attitude with the sharing of substance. In fact that may initiate the requirements of the Law of Consecration.
As for me and my house we will share.
Original Intent I know you are probably talking about those that spend their money on TOYS. But, many, many member families have been obedient to the call of the prophet to be physically and spiritually prepared. It's not their fault that circumstances have caused them to utilitized that which the prophet told them to get....food storage and may be left without when the stuff really hits the fan. I really believe that the Church will initiate a communial attitude with the sharing of substance. In fact that may initiate the requirements of the Law of Consecration.
As for me and my house we will share.
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As for me, OI and Book of Ruth, I think you're both right, and both wrong. OI, you would take the shirt off your back and give it to who ever the Prophet asked you to. And BofR, OI has a point. If you would share it all, why aren't you now. Yet, the truth is you will share and have a wonderful heart.
To say ahead of the circumstance what you will do/would do in such and such a scenario is a little short sighted. I think you are both saints and we are all trying to become such. And as a result of that, you will do what is right.
Bottom line, each of you will do what the Spirit asks of you when the moment comes. I think that is our goal.
To say ahead of the circumstance what you will do/would do in such and such a scenario is a little short sighted. I think you are both saints and we are all trying to become such. And as a result of that, you will do what is right.
Bottom line, each of you will do what the Spirit asks of you when the moment comes. I think that is our goal.
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Re: Foreboding
Zowie,
In all honesty, I am not that far from where you are: I have two friends, one was our EQ president when we moved into this ward. Hard worker, humble and just a great, great guy. They have had some financial difficulties over the last 18 months, and if even worst times hit and they needed anything I had, I would give it to them. My other friend is from a wealthy family - family business does millions per year in profit (his father is half owner) he is making close to six figures himself. Lives in a $250,000 house, $50,000 hybrid, $5,000 TV and also makes it very clear to everyone that he has the "best that money can buy" and yes, even with his friends, if you buy something, he compares it to his better version.
Now despite all this, he has about $50,000 in CC debt, and jas, probably at best, a month or two of food storage. I've warned him constantly about debt and food storage, but I think he feels that even in a worse case scenario that he can go to his father and everything will be all right (probably true). But if it wasn't, even though he and his family are friends for many years, I would have a hard, HARD time sharing with him if doing so put my own family at risk. I would also have a very difficult time sharing until I saw that he was truly humbled and had changed some of his views. (i.e. he has flatly said that most poor people are pretty much a waste of space, he definitely feels himself to be a cut above most of humanity, and their family perspective on the business is they feel that they are doing mankind a service by providing employment to so many people, without ever acknowledging that their family wealth was largely built upon being one of the cheapest as far as paying a fair wage or benefits - I worked for them for almost ten years, and trust me, it wasn't a sweat shop, but they were definitely very much about building the family wealth and paying skilled employees the bare minimum that they soulc get away with.
Anyway, as you can see I have some issues. I would not let his family starve either, but they would earn every grain of wheat or rice they got from me, and I would see to it that his attitudes towards those less fortunate changed.
And Rand - thank you very much for not judging. I am indeed not quite the selfish @#$ I make myself out to be in that last post. And I admit that many of my attitudes displayed in that last post do need some serious adjusting. But for those who have had the warnings and the opportunity, I simply cannot believe that it will be or should be as simple as driving down to the bishop's storehouse and picking up their food storage.
edit: I also want to say, my wealthy friend has a lot of good qualities. Aside from his elitist attitudes he is in fact a great guy, and though it doesn't show I love him about as much as I love anyone. But I do feel that if the feathers hit the fan, there are some lessons that he needs to learn.
In all honesty, I am not that far from where you are: I have two friends, one was our EQ president when we moved into this ward. Hard worker, humble and just a great, great guy. They have had some financial difficulties over the last 18 months, and if even worst times hit and they needed anything I had, I would give it to them. My other friend is from a wealthy family - family business does millions per year in profit (his father is half owner) he is making close to six figures himself. Lives in a $250,000 house, $50,000 hybrid, $5,000 TV and also makes it very clear to everyone that he has the "best that money can buy" and yes, even with his friends, if you buy something, he compares it to his better version.
Now despite all this, he has about $50,000 in CC debt, and jas, probably at best, a month or two of food storage. I've warned him constantly about debt and food storage, but I think he feels that even in a worse case scenario that he can go to his father and everything will be all right (probably true). But if it wasn't, even though he and his family are friends for many years, I would have a hard, HARD time sharing with him if doing so put my own family at risk. I would also have a very difficult time sharing until I saw that he was truly humbled and had changed some of his views. (i.e. he has flatly said that most poor people are pretty much a waste of space, he definitely feels himself to be a cut above most of humanity, and their family perspective on the business is they feel that they are doing mankind a service by providing employment to so many people, without ever acknowledging that their family wealth was largely built upon being one of the cheapest as far as paying a fair wage or benefits - I worked for them for almost ten years, and trust me, it wasn't a sweat shop, but they were definitely very much about building the family wealth and paying skilled employees the bare minimum that they soulc get away with.
Anyway, as you can see I have some issues. I would not let his family starve either, but they would earn every grain of wheat or rice they got from me, and I would see to it that his attitudes towards those less fortunate changed.
And Rand - thank you very much for not judging. I am indeed not quite the selfish @#$ I make myself out to be in that last post. And I admit that many of my attitudes displayed in that last post do need some serious adjusting. But for those who have had the warnings and the opportunity, I simply cannot believe that it will be or should be as simple as driving down to the bishop's storehouse and picking up their food storage.
edit: I also want to say, my wealthy friend has a lot of good qualities. Aside from his elitist attitudes he is in fact a great guy, and though it doesn't show I love him about as much as I love anyone. But I do feel that if the feathers hit the fan, there are some lessons that he needs to learn.
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pritchet1
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Re: Foreboding
It may seem difficult to remain positive while crocodiles are focussing on you for a good meal, when you are neck-deep in the swamp you are supposed to help drain.
I expect a lot to be said about December 2012 (confluence of Mayan, Chinese and Hebrew calendars) and north/south pole flipping and $trillions of debt imposed recently by government edict (each man, woman and child in the USSA now owes $47K annually in government debt). (See recent IRS auditing and property confiscation activities.)
42 million on food stamps in the USSA. Over 1/2 of those now collecting payroll cheques, work for the government at some level (not including contractors) and unemployment is actually climbing, not decreasing (pay not attention to the so-called "statistics").
A little while ago, I was unemployed, but currently, I am employed. I closed down all my personal businesses per direction from God, so at the moment, I'm more of a producer than a "consumer" and "bottom-feeder".
Loans being paid (check), house not in danger of foreclosure yet (check). Health benefits beginning to queue up at the new job (check). A long list of temple-ready cards in the queue to be processed and getting done (check). Our children still come by to visit (check).
I expect a lot to be said about December 2012 (confluence of Mayan, Chinese and Hebrew calendars) and north/south pole flipping and $trillions of debt imposed recently by government edict (each man, woman and child in the USSA now owes $47K annually in government debt). (See recent IRS auditing and property confiscation activities.)
42 million on food stamps in the USSA. Over 1/2 of those now collecting payroll cheques, work for the government at some level (not including contractors) and unemployment is actually climbing, not decreasing (pay not attention to the so-called "statistics").
A little while ago, I was unemployed, but currently, I am employed. I closed down all my personal businesses per direction from God, so at the moment, I'm more of a producer than a "consumer" and "bottom-feeder".
Loans being paid (check), house not in danger of foreclosure yet (check). Health benefits beginning to queue up at the new job (check). A long list of temple-ready cards in the queue to be processed and getting done (check). Our children still come by to visit (check).
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Wooly Hat
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Re: Foreboding
Hey ChelC! i need to ask you a question about one of your posts from a while back. are you still reading this thread?
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freedomforall
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Re: Foreboding
Exactly my thinking, as stated in an earlier post.Zowieink wrote:We will continue to put up canning and storage. However, Book of Ruth, I agree with you that I will share with my neighbors and help them as much as possible. I have lived in the same house with the same neighbors for 25 years. We have all had our bad times, our grab for material goods, the "I'm better than them, they only drive a Suburban, while I drive an Escalade". But as we have gotten older we have matured and those things don't matter. Now, my neighbors and ward, if you were looking from the outside, would see a prosperous well knit ward doing good works...50 to 80 members attend ward them night consistantly, 95 to 100 percent home teaching, consistantly...95% recommend holders, blah, blah, blah. So, I tell you this that you may know that even with doing our best, we still have unemployment and underemployment. Many of my neighbors are using their food storage to live on. If things don't turn around then many will then have very little left. I don't think I should spurn them, because they don't have food storage. These are the people we have laughed with, cried with, help them bury children and spouses.
Original Intent I know you are probably talking about those that spend their money on TOYS. But, many, many member families have been obedient to the call of the prophet to be physically and spiritually prepared. It's not their fault that circumstances have caused them to utilitized that which the prophet told them to get....food storage and may be left without when the stuff really hits the fan. I really believe that the Church will initiate a communial attitude with the sharing of substance. In fact that may initiate the requirements of the Law of Consecration.
As for me and my house we will share.
Concerning everyone in the church who has some type of food and/or staples in storage. Everyone has a different kind of supply, some have wheat, some have canned goods, and so on.
Is it possible that our faith will be tested even further through a request (to put it lightly) for everyone with any type of storage, whatever it may be, to be taken to a Bishops storehouse to be distributed from there? Just like the "plan of salvation", there will be those who run across the finish line, and there will be those who crawl across it, but all get the prize because of their efforts.
Think about it, everyone that takes their storage, small or large, to a storehouse would eat better, and for a longer period of time, than those who retain theirs. Thus, men, women and children who have taken what they have and put it in the storehouse would ultimately eat better, have blankets, toiletries and so on. It could fall under the law of consecration. And by taking all storage to a safer place, one does not have to worry about one's neighbor coming to rob or plunder, nor would one have to worry about the neighbors who have nothing. This responsibilty would fall on the Bishop.
