Foreboding

[Songbird]

I was just curious if anyone else around here has a feeling of foreboding for this year like I do?

[Jason]

I was just curious if anyone else around here has a feeling of foreboding for this year like I do?

that would definitely be an affirmative!!!

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Yep, mixed with personal excitement and optimism of course. What that means however...

[patriotsaint]

I've had a feeling of foreboding for a couple of years now. For me it's nothing specific to this year, but the handwriting is on the wall so to speak.

[Jason]

Yep, mixed with personal excitement and optimism of course. What that means however...

yes indeed....there is one major big bright light at the end of the tunnel!!! ...its just getting through the tunnel as quickly as possible!

[davedan]

Yes, I feel it. I keep on quietly wanting for the ball to get rolling already. Is this bad? I figure, there is no avoiding it, and the sooner what is going to happen, happens, the sooner Zion awaits us on the other side.

[dennis]

foreboding - an unfavorable omen
Good or Bad : just how one percieves it
shadow - a premonition of something adverse; "a shadow over his happiness"
Yesterday was on of my best days in quite a while, woke up before 5: AM . Felt like I was 21 again. Bring on the Gadiantons! Anticipation is worse than realization. They are abunch of wimps. Rise up oh men of God. The future is in our hands. Break the chains of tyranny! Hurl defiance upon the enemy. Adelante Hermanos. I have heard enough whining already. Songbird will sing again.. Just lost too many winged friends. And to think Mark thought, "I "was paranoid. ...Any way started a new business selling TFH Especially designed to over come a feeling of forboding

[Original_Intent]

I was just curious if anyone else around here has a feeling of foreboding for this year like I do?

that would definitely be an affirmative!!!

me too. In fact today in particular I have just felt like quitting paying my mortgage, squat until I get kicked out, use the money saved to buy 5 acres somewhere remote and build a compound. Or perhaps a tent would fit my budget better.

[Jason]

I was just curious if anyone else around here has a feeling of foreboding for this year like I do?

that would definitely be an affirmative!!!

me too. In fact today in particular I have just felt like quitting paying my mortgage, squat until I get kicked out, use the money saved to buy 5 acres somewhere remote and build a compound. Or perhaps a tent would fit my budget better.

why not buy a really nice tent and supplies....and just squat on some government land you've been paying taxes for....stay mobile

[Rand]

I would say yes for several years, but the more prepared I am personally, the less I feel any anxiety and the more of President Monson's comment; "The future is as bright as our faith" plays on my mind and in my heart. It will be another year of transition for sure. Stay close to the prophets and the Temple. Cheers!

[Original_Intent]

me too. In fact today in particular I have just felt like quitting paying my mortgage, squat until I get kicked out, use the money saved to buy 5 acres somewhere remote and build a compound. Or perhaps a tent would fit my budget better.

why not buy a really nice tent and supplies....and just squat on some government land you've been paying taxes for....stay mobile

If things go REALLY bad, I'm screwed. I have a wife who is as tough as nails, but she has had severe nerve damage, is in constant pain (for almost three years now), and there is no "keeping mobile". If I can't bunker down, not sure what we will do, but I know that seriously, living in a tent, especially during winter, is flat out something we could not survive.

On the plus side, I don't think it iwll get that bad. Here's hoping anyway.

[Songbird]

I suppose I feel it based on the lame duck session in congress that just ended....I agree that to keep close to the prophets and the scriptures and the Temple, that is the way to be prepared. I am not afraid per se as much as I am worried about withstanding the unfairness of all that appears to be coming down the pike. I don't do well when things are unfair, but I am mindful of my obligation to uphold the laws of the land...plus something sticks in my mind that we have been told that no matter how strange things seem, we are to follow the prophet...I am prepared and I am preparing temporally, I have read and I am reading the scriptures and living the commandments as best as I am able, attending the Temple and fulfilling my callings. I think about these spiritual things a lot so I can plan my reactions so I am in accordance with the ways of the Lord, but this is one thing I worry about: my spiritual strength when the rubber hits the road....

[Jason]

why not buy a really nice tent and supplies....and just squat on some government land you've been paying taxes for....stay mobile

If things go REALLY bad, I'm screwed. I have a wife who is as tough as nails, but she has had severe nerve damage, is in constant pain (for almost three years now), and there is no "keeping mobile". If I can't bunker down, not sure what we will do, but I know that seriously, living in a tent, especially during winter, is flat out something we could not survive.

On the plus side, I don't think it iwll get that bad. Here's hoping anyway.

yeah I can't stray far from insulin.....family in same boat though worse off than I.

[gkearney]

I have to say that this foreboding you speak of would seem to be an American issue. I have not heard any such talk here in Australia that I can think of. As a rule Australian saints speak little of such things. Politics is seldom if ever mentioned in church and most people do not connect natural events, such as the Queensland floods, with end times, rather it is just a bad flood and an example of why you need a 72 hour emergency kit.

Australian saints also seldom discuss things like moving back to Independence and so on. To us the whole Americanness found in the Church in the U.S. seems rather out of place. We are rather disconnected from it. We hear of it but seldom does it seem to enter into our religious life the way it seems to in America.

[Scarecrow]

I have to say that this foreboding you speak of would seem to be an American issue. I have not heard any such talk here in Australia that I can think of. As a rule Australian saints speak little of such things. Politics is seldom if ever mentioned in church and most people do not connect natural events, such as the Queensland floods, with end times, rather it is just a bad flood and an example of why you need a 72 hour emergency kit.

Australian saints also seldom discuss things like moving back to Independence and so on. To us the whole Americanness found in the Church in the U.S. seems rath0oer out of place. We are rather disconnected from it. We hear of it but seldom does it seem to enter into our religious life the way it seems to in America.

You make an interesting point. The “Americaness” of the foreboding may have something to do with the fact that we know that “among my house shall it begin,” which could explain why the foreboding feeling may be greater in Utah and to a larger extent America. Also, much of the prophecies of the prophets indicate that America (the US) will play a major role in both the gathering of the last days as well as being on the receiving end of much of the wrath of an angry God.

I’ve felt a growing foreboding over the past couple of years, but whether it will come to a head this year or not, I cannot say.

[durangout]

I have to say that this foreboding you speak of would seem to be an American issue. I have not heard any such talk here in Australia that I can think of. As a rule Australian saints speak little of such things. Politics is seldom if ever mentioned in church and most people do not connect natural events, such as the Queensland floods, with end times, rather it is just a bad flood and an example of why you need a 72 hour emergency kit.

Australian saints also seldom discuss things like moving back to Independence and so on. To us the whole Americanness found in the Church in the U.S. seems rather out of place. We are rather disconnected from it. We hear of it but seldom does it seem to enter into our religious life the way it seems to in America.

Thanks for your imput.

You must remember that this forum is a VERY small sampling and IMO represents the opinions of a very small minority of The Church in America. Therefore don't get too worked up over much of what is said here

[Original_Intent]

If you had heard President Packer at the last regional conference, I think you would have to be comatose not to feel a sense of foreboding.

[patriotsaint]

If you had heard President Packer at the last regional conference, I think you would have to be comatose not to feel a sense of foreboding.

Can you elaborate at all OI? I'd be interested in any additional info you could share.

[Songbird]

If you had heard President Packer at the last regional conference, I think you would have to be comatose not to feel a sense of foreboding.

I am not in that region and did not hear what he said...was it quoted here somewhere about 2 months ago? I thought this conversation was had somewhere on this forum? If so, does anyone know where? If not, can someone quote his remarks who was at the regional conference?

[Scarecrow]

If you had heard President Packer at the last regional conference, I think you would have to be comatose not to feel a sense of foreboding.

I am not in that region and did not hear what he said...was it quoted here somewhere about 2 months ago? I thought this conversation was had somewhere on this forum? If so, does anyone know where? If not, can someone quote his remarks who was at the regional conference?

Here's the thread: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =2&t=14000

Having attended the conference, it was somewhat noteworthy that on two or three occasions Pres. Packer said that the pioneers had the easy part compared to what we will have to endure.

[Original_Intent]

yes there was a thread on it, thanks for posting that holyhabanero.

I am not sure the written word could convey the soberness and seriousness of President Packer's demeanor. But the gist of the message was that he told stories of two different pioneers and some of the amazing hardships that they went thru, and then said that they had it easy compared to what we were going to be called upon to endure. And it is important that this was not at General Conference, was not directed to the church as a whole, but it was directed to a good portion of the Utah LDS.

[dennis]

And who, Might I ask, Is looking for the Easy way out? Come on guys. WE win, I meant the ones on the right side win. Whose side are you on? Of all the threads I have read , This one is one of the worst. Being aware of the opposition ,and what they really are enboldens me. They are wimps. Cant any one else remember the wimp factor. Adelante Hermanos!

[kathyn]

I'm with Songbird...the more prepared I am, the less anxiety I feel. Since I'm taking care of my very aged father, and a semi-invalid husband, living in a tent somewhere is not an option. So I plan on hunkering down the best I can. (We live in the Salt Lake valley.....hope that works to our favor when things fall apart.)

That being said, I do have a sense that this year will be interesting.

[Songbird]

If you had heard President Packer at the last regional conference, I think you would have to be comatose not to feel a sense of foreboding.

I am not in that region and did not hear what he said...was it quoted here somewhere about 2 months ago? I thought this conversation was had somewhere on this forum? If so, does anyone know where? If not, can someone quote his remarks who was at the regional conference?

Here's the thread: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =2&t=14000

Having attended the conference, it was somewhat noteworthy that on two or three occasions Pres. Packer said that the pioneers had the easy part compared to what we will have to endure.

thanks for posting this thread.

[dennis]

Prepardness is a state of Being. It is a quality of heart and mind. It is not having a ton of canned dead food in a room. Waking up is not capitulating.