The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

[LoveIsTruth]

put names to the fragments by matching them with DNA traces discovered at the terrorists' hideouts."

What makes you believe that we can trust the DNA chain of custody of the government that is blatantly lying about controlled demolitions of three WTC towers?

Ah, yes, yet another conspiracy: conspiracy upon conspiracy upon conspiracy. . . . Have they no end? What will the Truther mind incant next?

One government lie requires many others to cover the first. Is it so hard to believe?

[LoveIsTruth]

BM5, you have been taken to the cleaners so many times, you should be the cleanest man alive, but it doesn't seem to help you. You find more and more fallacies to paddle.

Would that require a row boat?

For you probably yes, because you continue to both paddle and peddle fallacies galore. And we have proved it again and again.

[LoveIsTruth]

Yes, Mark...especially since the administration of BYU also consists of its' Board of Directors...and we all know who they are.

Did everyone overlook the fact that the Board of Directors:

• a) did not fire Jones but sent him to early honorable retirement
  b) allow him keep his title of BYU professor
  c) allow Jones to keep an official BYU web-page
  d) allow Jones to maintain an office on campus
  e) allow Jones to use very expensive electron microscope and other equipment in his continued research into 9-11
  f) allow other BYU faculty and staff to support Jones in his continued research (including 9-11).

If the board "fired him for his view of 9-11" that is a very strange list, indeed. It looks more like they support the research rather than oppose it.

[natasha]

LIT...there you go again expanding what I said to cover everything you wanted it to cover. I was commenting on your calling BYU's administration corrupt...which administration includes the Board of Directors who are WHO???

[LoveIsTruth]

LIT...there you go again expanding what I said to cover everything you wanted it to cover. I was commenting on your calling BYU's administration corrupt...which administration includes the Board of Directors who are WHO???

Get your quotes straight, I didn't say a word about BYU administration being corrupt.

[Fairminded]

On the subject of the BYU administration being corrupt, don't put words in my mouth. Corrupt is not the same as evil. Corrupt is not even the same as willingly malign. Corruption tends to spread in any organization, even though the majority of people within it are good.

But let's look at BYU. After they fired Dr. Jones (and don't let their allowing continued use of facilities fool you, being fired is still a big deal and one I doubt he takes lightly) they then proceeded to bring in a parade of neocons and NWO cronies, allowing them to speak at BYU functions and openly honoring them for their wickedness. War criminals and traitors like Cheney were given honorary Doctorates and greeted with handshakes all around, while key members of the BYU administration introduced their speaking with lavish praise.

There IS corruption at BYU, or they wouldn't be honoring traitors to our nation!

[LoveIsTruth]

I agree with that. In their defense, they are probably ignorant of the crimes of these people, whom they honored. (I almost threw up when I first heard it!) Sad, but true. But again, I hope they were ignorant of WHO they gave honorary PhD's to. It is certainly a blemish on BYU, I am sad to say. But over all, BYU is the best school in the world, in my view!

[Col. Flagg]

On the subject of the BYU administration being corrupt, don't put words in my mouth. Corrupt is not the same as evil. Corrupt is not even the same as willingly malign. Corruption tends to spread in any organization, even though the majority of people within it are good.

But let's look at BYU. After they fired Dr. Jones (and don't let their allowing continued use of facilities fool you, being fired is still a big deal and one I doubt he takes lightly) they then proceeded to bring in a parade of neocons and NWO cronies, allowing them to speak at BYU functions and openly honoring them for their wickedness. War criminals and traitors like Cheney were given honorary Doctorates and greeted with handshakes all around, while key members of the BYU administration introduced their speaking with lavish praise.

There IS corruption at BYU, or they wouldn't be honoring traitors to our nation!

This is the same sentiment and position I have held for quite some time RE this issue, but have since softened it a bit as it appears as though BYU and the church have made the conscious decision not to pull the tail of the beast right now in an effort to prevent any kind of backlash or interference from the federal government in hindering or threatening the work of the church, especially its financial well-being. Joseph Smith did say once that sometimes it was wiser to knowingly succumb to the wiles of scheming individuals and evil in order to give the appearance that knowledge of said evil is limited, if not non-existent as a way to keep the work of the Lord moving forward without impediment. But I would hope that his servants would want to challenge evil instead of going along with it and trusting in the Lord to protect the church from the consequences for standing for what's right?

[InfoWarrior82]

I agree that it was probably ignorance to honor LDGS at BYU. Even the apostles themselves can be ignorant about politics... medicine, fashion, automotive, business, truck driving.... etc.

Who knows, maybe it's like Col. said. "Not wanting to tweak the tail of the beast."

[LoveIsTruth]

What would Jesus do. Would he give honorary PhD to murderer, traitor and thief? I think it was ignorance.

[BlueMoon5]

On the subject of the BYU administration being corrupt, don't put words in my mouth. Corrupt is not the same as evil.

In fact, as an adjective (which is how you used it in your post), corrupt is a synonym for evil. My 2,662-page Webster's Third New International Dictionary Unabridged states: "corrupt adj 1 a: DEPRAVED, EVIL: perverted into a state of moral weakness or wickedness. b: of debased political morality, characterized by bribery, the selling of political favors, or other improper or legal transactions or arrangements. 3 a: adulterated or debased by change from an original condition of purity or excellence : debased or contaminated by the addition of undesirable elements."

: But let's look at BYU. After they fired Dr. Jones (and don't let their allowing continued use of facilities fool you, being fired is still a big deal and one I doubt he takes lightly) they then proceeded to bring in a parade of neocons and NWO cronies, allowing them to speak at BYU functions and openly honoring them for their wickedness. War criminals and traitors like Cheney were given honorary Doctorates and greeted with handshakes all around, while key members of the BYU administration introduced their speaking with lavish praise. . . . There IS corruption at BYU, or they wouldn't be honoring traitors to our nation!

Fairminded: Do you think there's a possibility that you may be so "far out" that there's no way to come back?

[Col. Flagg]

Fairminded: Do you think there's a possibility that you may be so "far out" that there's no way to come back?

BM, you might want to look in the mirror. :ymblushing:

[BlueMoon5]

What would Jesus do. Would he give honorary PhD to murderer, traitor and thief? I think it was ignorance.

How did Jesus treat the woman taken in adultery?

BTW, your characterization of our former vice president affirms anew your upside-down legal principle (based on your previous posts) that citizens are guilty until proven innocent.

[jonesde]

Fairminded: Do you think there's a possibility that you may be so "far out" that there's no way to come back?

I don't know about Fairminded, but I know for certain that I am definitely so "far out" that there's no way back. And what's more, I'm proud of it, and working on getting further and further out.

Are we not taught to come out of Babylon the Great?

[jonesde]

What would Jesus do. Would he give honorary PhD to murderer, traitor and thief? I think it was ignorance.

How did Jesus treat the woman taken in adultery?

BTW, your characterization of our former vice president affirms anew your upside-down legal principle (based on your previous posts) that citizens are guilty until proven innocent.

Maybe a better question is: How did Jesus treat the liars and murderers who accused the woman taken in adultery?

How did they know she was guilty of adultery? Only one way: those among them participated in and witnessed the adultery and then used it as an excuse to murder the woman.

If only BYU would treat Cheney the same for doing very similar things.

[Fairminded]

BM, how would you know anything about guilt or innocence when you refuse to look at the evidence provided? Although I notice you don't hesitate to leap to false judgments about others.

Maybe you should change your name to Pot.

[LoveIsTruth]

What would Jesus do. Would he give honorary PhD to murderer, traitor and thief? I think it was ignorance.

How did Jesus treat the woman taken in adultery?

BTW, your characterization of our former vice president affirms anew your upside-down legal principle (based on your previous posts) that citizens are guilty until proven innocent.

Actually, he has been convicted as war criminal in many countries, and therefore doesn't travel outside of US for fear of being arrested and tried.


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[BlueMoon5]

Yes, Mark...especially since the administration of BYU also consists of its' Board of Directors...and we all know who they are.

Did everyone overlook the fact that the Board of Directors:

• a) did not fire Jones but sent him to early honorable retirement
  b) allow him keep his title of BYU professor
  c) allow Jones to keep an official BYU web-page
  d) allow Jones to maintain an office on campus
  e) allow Jones to use very expensive electron microscope and other equipment in his continued research into 9-11
  f) allow other BYU faculty and staff to support Jones in his continued research (including 9-11).

If the board "fired him for his view of 9-11" that is a very strange list, indeed. It looks more like they support the research rather than oppose it.

The primary role of a professor is to profess. Is Dr. Jones allowed to teach?

[LoveIsTruth]

Yes, Mark...especially since the administration of BYU also consists of its' Board of Directors...and we all know who they are.

Did everyone overlook the fact that the Board of Directors:

• a) did not fire Jones but sent him to early honorable retirement
  b) allow him keep his title of BYU professor
  c) allow Jones to keep an official BYU web-page
  d) allow Jones to maintain an office on campus
  e) allow Jones to use very expensive electron microscope and other equipment in his continued research into 9-11
  f) allow other BYU faculty and staff to support Jones in his continued research (including 9-11).

If the board "fired him for his view of 9-11" that is a very strange list, indeed. It looks more like they support the research rather than oppose it.

The primary role of a professor is to profess. Is Dr. Jones allowed to teach?

He taught you a thing or two

[Col. Flagg]

Yes, Mark...especially since the administration of BYU also consists of its' Board of Directors...and we all know who they are.

Did everyone overlook the fact that the Board of Directors:

• a) did not fire Jones but sent him to early honorable retirement
  b) allow him keep his title of BYU professor
  c) allow Jones to keep an official BYU web-page
  d) allow Jones to maintain an office on campus
  e) allow Jones to use very expensive electron microscope and other equipment in his continued research into 9-11
  f) allow other BYU faculty and staff to support Jones in his continued research (including 9-11).

If the board "fired him for his view of 9-11" that is a very strange list, indeed. It looks more like they support the research rather than oppose it.

The primary role of a professor is to profess. Is Dr. Jones allowed to teach?

What do you think could have happened to BYU and what message would it have sent to the feds had they allowed Dr. Jones to continue teaching there while exposing the real truth and the big lie with his scientific research, eventual concrete evidence and conclusions? See the motive in forcing him into retirement - he wasn't totally hung out to dry based upon the terms of his retirement and BYU prevented some nasty repercussions from the feds. Still doesn't make it right though what they did.

[BlueMoon5]

: Actually, he [Dick Cheney] has been convicted as war criminal in many countries, and therefore doesn't travel outside of US for fear of being arrested and tried.

The following may be of interest: "The chance that Dick Cheney will be tried as a war criminal is vanishingly small. Yes, Human Rights Watch did issue a report in July urging that President Obama investigate former President George W. Bush, Cheney, and other top ex-administration officials for allegedly ordering abuse of detainees that amounted to torture. . . . But the Obama administration has declined to conduct a probe of the legality of interrogation policies authorized by the Bush White House. [What about] other countries acting, if the US doesn't? For that to have any actual consequence, it would have to involve snatching Dick Cheney off the streets and spiriting him away to, say, the International Criminal Court in the Hague. That's almost certainly not going to happen." (The Christian Science Monitor, August 31, 2011)

Hmmm. . .I don't find any reference in that article to Cheney or Bush or "other top ex-administration officials" being "guilty" of murdering people on 9/11.

[LoveIsTruth]

: Actually, he [Dick Cheney] has been convicted as war criminal in many countries, and therefore doesn't travel outside of US for fear of being arrested and tried.

The following may be of interest: "The chance that Dick Cheney will be tried as a war criminal is vanishingly small. Yes, Human Rights Watch did issue a report in July urging that President Obama investigate former President George W. Bush, Cheney, and other top ex-administration officials for allegedly ordering abuse of detainees that amounted to torture. . . . But the Obama administration has declined to conduct a probe of the legality of interrogation policies authorized by the Bush White House. [What about] other countries acting, if the US doesn't? For that to have any actual consequence, it would have to involve snatching Dick Cheney off the streets and spiriting him away to, say, the International Criminal Court in the Hague. That's almost certainly not going to happen." (The Christian Science Monitor, August 31, 2011)

Hmmm. . .I don't find any reference in that article to Cheney or Bush or "other top ex-administration officials" being "guilty" of murdering people on 9/11.

Cheney and Bush facilitated the attacks of 9-11. The blood of the people killed at Pentagon, in NY and elsewhere due to 9-11 will be required at their hands, unless they repent. Again, neither was the master mind, but both are guilty of high treason.

[BlueMoon5]

I pray regarding anything of importance in my life. . . .

LIT: Example: "Were the three WTC buildings destroyed by pre-planted explosives/incendiaries?" The answer should always be the same: either Yes, every time (or No, every time). I wonder what answer did Natasha get on this SPECIFIC question.[/quote]

Bluemoon5: You still imagine that the three WTC buildings were destroyed by pre-planted explosives/incendiaries, and you have the word of God on that. Uh-huh. Truthers are fond of pointing to WTC7 as a "smoking gun" for their position. In an insightful article by Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer your CD theory is splendidly disassembled. Thomas writes: "We're told that it wasn't hit by a plane and was subjected to just a few 'small office fires.' Yet it collapsed anyway, late in the afternoon of September 11, 'falling neatly into its own footprint at freefall acceleration, just like a normal controlled demolition.' . . .Truthers point to a brief period of freefall (2.25 seconds) that was confirmed by NIST in its WTC7 final report. . . . However, WTC7. . .fails to prove 9/11 was an 'inside job': 1) What is often conveniently left out of the story are actual reports from NYFD firefighters at the scene, which describe huge, raging, unfought fires on many floors at once and visible, audible deformations and creaking of the building prior to its collapse. . . .[Tower 7] was struck by a 110-story flaming skyscraper, the North Tower. The fires raged for hours, and they essentially caused a critical column (#79) to fail because of thermal expansion; NIST determined that this column was crucial to the building and could even be considered a design flaw. Its failure would have collapsed the building even without the other structural damage from WTC1's collapse and the fires. [Note that there was a 20-story long gash in one side of the building.] 2) [Truthers like to claim that] the freefall of WTC7, admitted by NIST, 'proves it was a controlled demolition.' The problem is that this is a straw man argument. NIST found the collapse occurred in three stages. The first stage, which lasted 1.75 seconds, is when the 58 perimeter columns were buckled; during this interval, the rooftop actually fell only about seven feet. This is because the breaking of columns saps speed, indeed making the collapse slower than freefall. In the second stage, which lasted 2.25 seconds, the already-buckled columns provided negligible support, and the north face of the structure free-fell about eight stories. . . . The third stage described by NIST, which lasted 1.4 seconds, was again less-than-free fall, as the structure fell another 130 feet as it impacted more non-buckled structures toward the bottom of the building. 3) The other half of the equation is that WTC7 resembles a 'classic controlled demolition' because it supposedly 'imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint' (Gage 2011). In actuality, it twisted and tilted over to one side as it fell, and parts of the building severely damaged two neighboring buildings (Verizon and Fiterman Hall). When challenged with the obvious fact that WTC7 spilled outside its footprint, however, Truthers will often change their tune and start saying that any resemblance to a natural collapse is part of the cover-up." (Skeptical Inquirer, July/August, 2011)

Pre-planted explosives? Hardly.

[Col. Flagg]

Pre-planted explosives? Hardly.

You're right... nothing odd here... =))

[LoveIsTruth]

In the second stage, which lasted 2.25 seconds, the already-buckled columns provided negligible support, and the north face of the structure free-fell about eight stories. . . .

First of all not just the "north face of the structure free-fell" but the entire building: i.e. all faces of the structure, including the roof. Secondly, the support should not just be "negligible," it must not be there at all for FREE FALL or over 8 or 9 stories, that was witnessed, to occur. ALL supporting columns in the building must have COMPLETELY failed (AS IN SEVERED), across the entire cross-section of the building, and for 8 or 9 stories high, to account for 9 story free fall of the structure. And it must have happened in almost perfect symmetry, to account for almost perfect symmetry of the collapse observed. The buckling scenario does not explain the observed REALITY. So this analysis of yours is another lie for the simple minded and the ignorant.

[Note that there was a 20-story long gash in one side of the building.]

Where is the photographic evidence of the 20-story gash, and it better be perfectly in the middle, because the collapse was largely symmetrical. The only "gash" visible is some damage to one of the corners, and it didn't look like 20 stories to me at all. Besides it was on a CORNER, therefore it could not be the reason for the collapse because the collapse was almost perfectly symmetrical.

In actuality, it twisted and tilted over to one side as it fell

During the free fall there was no twisting my friend. Watch it again: