Gospel Gentiles-Jews-Heathens

[hedgehog]

Mentioned this in a comment here a few years ago, thought I would try and bring more attention to what I think is a common blindspot. Appreciate if anyone can constructively add or take away from it, these are my conclusions thus far.

-Don't most people even among us "enthusiasts" try and shoehorn gospel to all the earth etc.. etc.. etc... into the time-frame before the mount of Olives? That is how I have always heard it spoken of.

-I am not terribly worried about the Second Coming. For Mormon Americans it is well after our serious tribulations whatever percent of us even make it that late in the game.

D&C, 90:9-10
The gospel will go to the Gentiles first, then the Jews. Then the arm of the Lord will convince the nations, heathens and the Ten Tribes of the gospel.
9 That through your administration they may receive the word, and through their administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews.
10 And then cometh the day when the arm of the Lord shall be revealed in power in convincing the nations, the heathen nations, the house of Joseph, of the gospel of their salvation.

-I wonder if worrying about the second coming for Americans is like fretting about an expected earthquake while your house is on fire. The earthquake is a few years later when everyone else loses their houses, long after you have moved far away and rebuilt.

-Between the mount of olives and the second coming it could easily fit scripture as being anywhere from 3-20 years or more. In line with this scripture that period will be when the gospel is properly taken to the whole earth etc... I think those years are when much of the prophecies will physically happen which people are falsely expecting to happen before they will worry.

-I think there may be far fewer prophecies and events between us now and the 2nd civil war/invasion/depopulation of America then almost any of us have been considering.

-I am pretty certain the fall and rebuilding of America in Missouri happens before mount of olives.

[pjbrownie]

I completely agree. Most people I talk to try to shoehorn it before the cleansing of America and redemption of Zion even. Not a single calamity can happen until temples are in every capital city in every political nation.

[NoGreaterLove]

HH
I am not sure what you are saying. I am not familiar with the term shoehorn. Sorry I am a little slow on this one.

[hedgehog]

Shoehorn was like a piece of plastic or wood that was used try and slide a large foot into a small shoe.
Often used to describe when people try and force things to fit where they dont belong for their own usually vain/delusional reasons.

@PJB I knew I couldn't be the only one. If I am right about this we may be much closer in America then otherwise might appear.

I would also mention that 1Nephi 14 Nephi (the end game 14 chapters/28 pages in? must have been very important) sees the saints who are small in number attacked by the mother whore of the gentiles and then the whore thrown down. Then after that is when Nephi says he sees John and says he will write the rest pertaining to the end of the world. If that is at all chronological as it appears then Americas collapse may be before the book of revelations even starts. I know that is not what even the saints are watching for.

I have noticed this pattern where the Lord knowing when people would apostatize and have no new revelation for 2-4k years the revelations they received at the time would reveal their most important parts in the last days. Arabs got their last days prophecies before they split with the Jews who got their Torah/old testament prophecies about Israels last days (knowing they wouldn't believe the new testament) European/Mediterranean gentiles have new testament describing what happens to them in that area. (knowing they wouldn't believe the BOM) We have the BOM and DC about what happens in North and South America. Sorry Australians and other such places not directly covered but that is what prophets are for until we get the lost records.

Other then what Nephi said I really couldn't name anymore prophecies that are expected to take place between now and when America is destroyed from within like 3Nephi Jacobugath who I see as a disturbingly accurate parallel of the modern political class. I am just saying if you are waiting for trumpets or the moon to turn to blood or Israels temple before you worry about American danger you are probably seeing it backwards.

I guess I am saying I feel a little nervous as other then a false religion attacking N-S American saints I dont have any idea what prophecies to be watching to get a sense of time and movement. Everything else we knew of has already happened.

[NoGreaterLove]

Thanks HH. I was having a senior moment.

I am looking for my Savior to come very soon! But............before that day...........all hell is going to break loose! The cleansing of America and the Saints has to happen to prepare us for His return. As far as the Middle East is concerned, the only thing I am interested in, is, how does that particular event further the cleansing of America? The Jews and Jerusalem will get theirs too, but it is a long time coming for them. Not something I am concerned about.
By the time Christ comes to the Mount of Olives, I plan on being a pillar in the temple in the New Jerusalem. Of course that is my wish, maybe not God's plan. But that is where I want to be.

[pjbrownie]

Shoehorn was like a piece of plastic or wood that was used try and slide a large foot into a small shoe.
Often used to describe when people try and force things to fit where they dont belong for their own usually vain/delusional reasons.

@PJB I knew I couldn't be the only one. If I am right about this we may be much closer in America then otherwise might appear.

I would also mention that 1Nephi 14 Nephi (the end game 14 chapters/28 pages in? must have been very important) sees the saints who are small in number attacked by the mother whore of the gentiles and then the whore thrown down. Then after that is when Nephi says he sees John and says he will write the rest pertaining to the end of the world. If that is at all chronological as it appears then Americas collapse may be before the book of revelations even starts. I know that is not what even the saints are watching for.

I have noticed this pattern where the Lord knowing when people would apostatize and have no new revelation for 2-4k years the revelations they received at the time would reveal their most important parts in the last days. Arabs got their last days prophecies before they split with the Jews who got their Torah/old testament prophecies about Israels last days (knowing they wouldn't believe the new testament) European/Mediterranean gentiles have new testament describing what happens to them in that area. (knowing they wouldn't believe the BOM) We have the BOM and DC about what happens in North and South America. Sorry Australians and other such places not directly covered but that is what prophets are for until we get the lost records.

Other then what Nephi said I really couldn't name anymore prophecies that are expected to take place between now and when America is destroyed from within like 3Nephi Jacobugath who I see as a disturbingly accurate parallel of the modern political class. I am just saying if you are waiting for trumpets or the moon to turn to blood or Israels temple before you worry about American danger you are probably seeing it backwards.

I guess I am saying I feel a little nervous as other then a false religion attacking N-S American saints I dont have any idea what prophecies to be watching to get a sense of time and movement. Everything else we knew of has already happened.

I've concluded that if you want to know what is in store for the Latter-day Saints, look to the Book of Mormon and Isaiah. If you want to know what will happen to the lost of Israel and the Jews, look to the Bible, Revelations.

[kathyn]

I am pretty certain the fall and rebuilding of America in Missouri happens before mount of olives.

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I so totally agree with the above statements. I think we tend to follow what's happening in the Middle East and the possibility of Armageddon without realizing our (American's) prophecies are different and we will have our own prophecies happening here. The Christian world, at large, looks at Armageddon as the final winding up scene, but truly the Lord coming in His Glory will be sometime after that. We've been told that all gov'ts will fall. Even here, Zion can't rise unless our corrupt gov't has fallen. I can't imagine that we can last even two more years with all of the economic troubles on the horizon. And too often, war is the solution to depression and recession.

I've concluded that if you want to know what is in store for the Latter-day Saints, look to the Book of Mormon and Isaiah. If you want to know what will happen to the lost of Israel and the Jews, look to the Bible, Revelations.
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[Inspire]

Try replacing "Gentiles" with "members of the Church" in the Book of Mormon. See how that ups the ante and the urgency of coming to Christ (yes, in this life).

[pjbrownie]

Ephraim is often another synonym. Ephraim is the only house associated with Gentiles (Manasseh is associate with Jews typically). In reality, we have transitioned party to the times of Israel, the lost tribes. Our outreach to Manasseh is amazing. In this way the Jews are beginning to accept the gospel.

When I think of the times of the Gentiles, however, I see it as the church not organized into tribes, but led by Ephraim, the gentiles. When the gentiles fail to repent, the church will then be organized by tribes. Ephraim will then lead as a tribe, and not as a group of gentiles.

[LV Architect]

Not a single calamity can happen until temples are in every capital city in every political nation.

TPJS pp 160-161

The last revelation says, Ye shall not have time to have gone over the earth, until these things come. It will come as did the cholera, war, fires, and earthquakes; one pestilence after another, until the Ancient of Days comes, then judgment will be given to the Saints.

And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. TPJS 17

The mission of the 144,000 from the lost tribes is to preach the gospel in every nation after the tribulations but before the 2nd coming (Mount of Olives). D&C 77. Our mission will be cut short of that. The prophecy of the Gospel entering every nation prior to the 2nd coming is correct however it will not happen prior to the judgements being poured out. Many will be greatly deceived when the judgements come and the false 2nd coming of the anti-christ happen prior to the Gospel preached in every nation. And it will happen as a whirlwind.

[pjbrownie]

Thanks for that quote; I need to put that in my collection. It just goes to prove that the 144,000 are not necessarily part of the current or past missionary efforts--they are for the future, AFTER America is cleansed.

Gentiles - 5th and 6th Seal until the end of the 6th seal signaled by massive calamities and judgments
Jews (Israel) - Beginning of the 7th seal after the 6th seal calamities, half hour of silence, 7th seal calamities
Heathen - After 7th seal calamities and judgments, prior to the coming in glory