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Newsmax.com: military coup against Obama?

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http://www.rense.com/general91/axed.htm
Here is the full text of John L. Perry's column on Newsmax which suggests that a military coup to "resolve the Obama problem" is becoming more possible and is not "unrealistic." Perry also writes that a coup, while not "ideal," may be preferable to "Obama's radical ideal" -- and would "restore and defend the Constitution." Newsmax has since removed the column from its website.

Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
By John L. Perry
Via TalkingPointsMemo.com
8-19-10


There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

# Officers swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to "obey the orders of the president of the United States."

# Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.

# They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

# They can see that the economy -- ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation -- is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.

# They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.

# They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America's troop strength is allowed to sag.

# They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.

# They can see the nation's safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.

So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan's arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran's nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, "I'm not interested in victory") that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America's military leadership is lost in a fool's fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.
So... what would be the pros and cons of a military coup? Thing is, how and why is a coup against Obama necessary, but it wasn't against George W. Bush? :lol: These guys are both equally criminally corrupt (although Obama may have a slight upper hand).

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imo fwiw....ain't gonna happen!!! Trained to follow orders and the top brass have been screened and promoted up through the ranks by the PTB. Look at Eisenhower's meteoric rise through the ranks to become head cheese while never personally commanding a combat unit during a time of war.

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Or if it does happen it would be planned as the final strike on our constitution, not it's salvation.

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Jason wrote:imo fwiw....ain't gonna happen!!! Trained to follow orders and the top brass have been screened and promoted up through the ranks by the PTB. Look at Eisenhower's meteoric rise through the ranks to become head cheese while never personally commanding a combat unit during a time of war.
This is my opinion as well. If it was going to happen, it already would have. The top brass have too much at stake financially to stage a coup against their masters.

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SmallFarm wrote:Or if it does happen it would be planned as the final strike on our constitution, not it's salvation.
Good point SmallFarm... I think this could be a factor as well.

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Col. Flagg wrote:So... what would be the pros and cons of a military coup?
The big problem I see is that the very moment military leadership starts to try and "organize" some effort against Obama and his Admin before they can even get to him, the word will get out, they will be charged with treason, and that will shut down anyone else from organizing. Some liberal in the military will leak it.

Thus, I think all they can hope for is that the next Admin will be a better and get things back on track.

Another issue is that frankly while I do believe most of the Military is Conservative, likely 75%, I don't think most really follow politics that closely. I think they are like most of the American population in which likely only about 25% of either side has any real strong knowledge of the issues. Thus, if the military population at large isn't really as informed as they should be, there will likely never really be able to be a strong movement against it.

Thus, really, for the military to ever get tired enough to get involved, things will have to be really bad, and done openly. Not half of the country loving it, and doing it mostly in "secret" rather than in the open. When you have half the country being ignorant liberals thinking Obama & Admin are doing nothing wrong, because they speak out of one mouth to the public and out of another in private and in their pasts and current associations, it's going to be hard for liberals to think the military isn't doing something wrong to be against Obama.
Thing is, how and why is a coup against Obama necessary, but it wasn't against George W. Bush? :lol:
These guys are both equally criminally corrupt (although Obama may have a slight upper hand).
They aren't at all the same, and I find people who believe such to be incredibly ignorant and clearly brainwashed by people like the Jones Brothers (Alex & Dr. Jones). Bush was about 95% Conservative through and through, and only about 5% Liberal. While Obama is like 99% Liberal and only maybe 1% Conservative. How you can compare the two as being the same or "close" simply fascinates me. Yes, Bush did a couple more liberal things with the Prescription Drug thing, and with the first Bail-out. But, those are reasonable things, not perfectly conservative, but reasonable still. He wouldn't have gone any further, because he understands conservatism economically. Everything else about him is fully conservative. The Wars and the Patriot Act IS Conservative, whether you people like it or not, and the only reason you don't think they are, is because you as willing accomplices fall for the Liberal LIES on those issues. You people are just as "Liberal" as you think Bush is, but in different areas.

Anyway, bottom line is his being slightly liberal (which he did tell us you know with his "Social Conservative" claim), is know-where the same as Obama, who is almost ALL Liberal.

You all need to stop bearing false witness of other conservatives/republicans by your lumping them with liberals. Many of the other things you blame Bush for was actually the Liberals in Congress causing the problems, even when Bush and other conservatives tried to stop the problems from occurring (such as the current economy meltdown) and to fix other problems. It's the DEMS in Congress that stop Conservatives..... So, stop blaming the conservatives! You all look at whos President and can't seem to use your brains to look any further into the issues.

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Yes, Lee, secret combinations are exclusive to the Democratic Party. Bush was conservative ON PAPER. I think it's you who are brainwashed by Sean Hannity. Even Glenn Beck would disagree with your rosy assessment. Vote GOP, God's party, right? It's not about being conservative, it's about being classically liberal. Chew on that for a bit.

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pjbrownie wrote:Yes, Lee, secret combinations are exclusive to the Democratic Party. Bush was conservative ON PAPER. I think it's you who are brainwashed by Sean Hannity. Even Glenn Beck would disagree with your rosy assessment. Vote GOP, God's party, right? It's not about being conservative, it's about being classically liberal. Chew on that for a bit.
1. You only show how little you know about Sean Hannity and other Conservatives. We were against the "non-conservative" things Bush did.

2. Classical Liberalism is almost exactly the same as Conservatism. Conservatism only differs in believing that for an organized and civilized society there must be "some" reasonable controls in place. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights is a "Conservative" document, because it indicates "controls", and then gives States the right for additional controls. Thus, people that call themselves "libertarian" are really "conservatives", they just don't think they are because they have fallen for the liberal lie that conservatives/republicans ALSO helped destroy this country, and that is simply not true. It's Dem's in Congress and Dem Presidents that have. Of course, there are liberal republicans, and republicans who are liberal on an issue or two, but 95% of Republicans are Conservatives/Libertarians.

I absolutely despise those who "paint with a broad brush" making everyone the "bad guys" save the Alex Jones and Ron Paulers. It's shameful!!! Take Alex Jones attacks on Conservatives.... It's shameful!!! Why??? Because he's bearing false witness first of all, and second WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE!!!

People who aren't "nuts" know how to be diplomatic and get along with people, not demonizing them. And don't say "I'm" actually doing that, I'm not. I'm demonizing the demonizers, the same way I demonize anti-mormons and liberals. You do wrong and bad, bearing false witness, you will get my wrath! I hate bully's! I was always the one who stood against bully's, in Secondary, in College, and in the Marine Corps. So, get with the program!

3. Bush was a "social conservative", which means he was more liberal on social issues, such as Drugs for old folks, immigration, etc. Hey, we didn't like his liberal leanings, and we called him on them. But, unlike you all, we know better than to throw the baby out with the bath water. Your all demonizing of Conservatives that might be slightly liberal on a thing or two, when THEY are out Representatives that we have to choose from, doesn't help the Conservative cause.

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leeuniverse wrote:
pjbrownie wrote:Yes, Lee, secret combinations are exclusive to the Democratic Party. Bush was conservative ON PAPER. I think it's you who are brainwashed by Sean Hannity. Even Glenn Beck would disagree with your rosy assessment. Vote GOP, God's party, right? It's not about being conservative, it's about being classically liberal. Chew on that for a bit.
1. You only show how little you know about Sean Hannity and other Conservatives. We were against the "non-conservative" things Bush did.

2. Classical Liberalism is almost exactly the same as Conservatism. Conservatism only differs in believing that for an organized and civilized society there must be "some" reasonable controls in place. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights is a "Conservative" document, because it indicates "controls", and then gives States the right for additional controls. Thus, people that call themselves "libertarian" are really "conservatives", they just don't think they are because they have fallen for the liberal lie that conservatives/republicans ALSO helped destroy this country, and that is simply not true. It's Dem's in Congress and Dem Presidents that have. Of course, there are liberal republicans, and republicans who are liberal on an issue or two, but 95% of Republicans are Conservatives/Libertarians.

I absolutely despise those who "paint with a broad brush" making everyone the "bad guys" save the Alex Jones and Ron Paulers. It's shameful!!! Take Alex Jones attacks on Conservatives.... It's shameful!!! Why??? Because he's bearing false witness first of all, and second WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE!!!

People who aren't "nuts" know how to be diplomatic and get along with people, not demonizing them. And don't say "I'm" actually doing that, I'm not. I'm demonizing the demonizers, the same way I demonize anti-mormons and liberals. You do wrong and bad, bearing false witness, you will get my wrath! I hate bully's! I was always the one who stood against bully's, in Secondary, in College, and in the Marine Corps. So, get with the program!

3. Bush was a "social conservative", which means he was more liberal on social issues, such as Drugs for old folks, immigration, etc. Hey, we didn't like his liberal leanings, and we called him on them. But, unlike you all, we know better than to throw the baby out with the bath water. Your all demonizing of Conservatives that might be slightly liberal on a thing or two, when THEY are out Representatives that we have to choose from, doesn't help the Conservative cause.
I'm curious....what was your MOS in the Marines?

For stating you don't follow politics much.....you sure have the left vs. right paradigm down pat!

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