Private discussion area

[ithink]

I like to say that today's conservative is yesterday's communist. In other words, there has been a slide in the general thinking and principles of that conservative mindset. That being said, I've noticed that on this forum that topics which were mainstream items 25 years ago, like birth control, are now relegated to the private discussion area of this forum. I totally disagree with this, and I call it a form of censorship. I agree that Brian owns the forum, but I don't agree with this private discussion area. In an age of the internet, with everything being shouted from the rooftops, it is a moot point anyway.

[shadow]

Then don't participate in the private forum

[NoGreaterLove]

Ithink

I respect your right to express your opinion. But I like the idea of the private forum. Thanks Brian.

[armedtotheteeth]

As Brian has pointed out, a good deal of what is discussed does not fall in line with his websites mission statement, and instead of banning all of the private conversations out right, by his good means, he has established the private area. See it for what it is……..

+1 on Shadows post.

[creator]

8)

[ithink]

As Brian has pointed out, a good deal of what is discussed does not fall in line with his websites mission statement, and instead of banning all of the private conversations out right, by his good means, he has established the private area. See it for what it is……..

+1 on Shadows post.

I think you are all missing my point. I have no control over whether any of my posts will be suddenly marked private, nor do I have any idea who the private members are. That is the first point.

The second point is what other judge to be "deep doctrine", was just a few years ago mainstream conference material. I'm saying we're slipping, and marking things for private conversation isn't helping.

Brian can do what he likes with his site, and we all thank him for what he does, but if it wasn't for everyone who frequents this forum, it would be rather dull indeed, would it not?

Not to mention if we donate to the site, we help perpetuate it and become a part of it. Otherwise, I'm not sure I want to donate anymore and I'm not sure I want to make any posts if they get tagged as private.

[Mahonri]

I think this topic should be moved to the private area



I agree that it is sad that certain things are now considered taboo in the mainstream of the Church, but I much prefer a separate area to discuss these things than banning them completely.

A private area makes it so it doesn't slip as fast. It is still there. If it was banned all together, that would be causing us to slip as you say even faster.

[BroJones]

I agree that it is sad that certain things are now considered taboo in the mainstream of the Church, but I much prefer a separate area to discuss these things than banning them completely.

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Is there a list of taboo things "in the mainstream of the Church"?

Also, how does one define "the mainstream of the Church"? For example, if one has a year's supply of food, is this considered "mainstream" when less than 20% have a year's storage? How about debt -- is NOT having debt mainstream?
How about the wife NOT working?-- mainstream, or not?

--puzzled but not totally muzzled yet

[Mahonri]

Is there a list of taboo things "in the mainstream of the Church"?

--puzzled but not totally muzzled yet

I guess I would define it as anything that is clearly taught, but openly rejected by the plurality of members.

mothers working
freedom
birth control
welfare
etc

[Amore Vero]

Is there a list of taboo things "in the mainstream of the Church"?

--puzzled but not totally muzzled yet

I guess I would define it as anything that is clearly taught, but openly rejected by the plurality of members.

mothers working
freedom
birth control
welfare
etc

That is a good starter list. 'Divorce' is another subject for this list of 'too controversial to talk about' because most people believe in these things now. Freedom is controversial because most members seem to believe in & vote for Socialism & Communism today. It's amazing how many things that most all members 50 years ago knew were the worst of sins, except in rare cases, are now accepted by them as OK in almost all cases.

If 'mainstream' means stay with what the 'majority of the members believe, than that is not a safe stance to have anymore. We need to stay with what the Prophets have said, even if it seems we are the only one who's following them anymore.

For how true it is that.... First we abhor, then tolerate, then embrace.

[ithink]

Is there a list of taboo things "in the mainstream of the Church"?

--puzzled but not totally muzzled yet

I guess I would define it as anything that is clearly taught, but openly rejected by the plurality of members.

mothers working
freedom
birth control
welfare
etc

That is a good starter list. 'Divorce' is another subject for this list of 'too controversial to talk about' because most people believe in these things now. Freedom is controversial because most members seem to believe in & vote for Socialism & Communism today. It's amazing how many things that most all members 50 years ago knew were the worst of sins, except in rare cases, are now accepted by them as OK in almost all cases.

If 'mainstream' means stay with what the 'majority of the members believe, than that is not a safe stance to have anymore. We need to stay with what the Prophets have said, even if it seems we are the only one who's following them anymore.

For how true it is that.... First we abhor, then tolerate, then embrace.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

[armedtotheteeth]

Not to mention if we donate to the site, we help perpetuate it and become a part of it. Otherwise, I'm not sure I want to donate anymore and I'm not sure I want to make any posts if they get tagged as private.

I like to say that today's conservative is yesterday's communist.

Who sounds like a commie now!?
You have no entitlements here.
Just because you donate does not give you any right here. I cant pay for my food at a restaurant, then say "I am part of this outfit, I am going to cook my own burger!"
I can choose not to give the restaurant my $$, sure, but that's about it.

You donate out of free will and choice, and you can leave in the same fashion.

That would be a shame if you left the forum or quit donating because of this.

[buffalo_girl]

Just speculating here, but maybe the private area is to keep the conversations among members who wish to discuss deeper doctrine and filter out those who would take the opportunity to trash the church in those discussions and ruin the whole thread....??

I echo Shadow and NoGreaterLove.

There's nothing quite so fine as being able to confirm one's opinion by those selected few who share it.

Alma 31
15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; and also thou hast made it known unto us that cthere shall be no Christ.
17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God.
18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen.

[shadow]

Just speculating here, but maybe the private area is to keep the conversations among members who wish to discuss deeper doctrine and filter out those who would take the opportunity to trash the church in those discussions and ruin the whole thread....??

I echo Shadow and NoGreaterLove.

There's nothing quite so fine as being able to confirm one's opinion by those selected few who share it.

Alma 31
15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; and also thou hast made it known unto us that cthere shall be no Christ.
17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God.
18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen.

Reminds me of the song Twist and Shout
Are we privy to conversations the brethren have? Why not? Are we privy to information discussed in PEC meetings? Why not? This isn't rocket science. Ever heard of the term milk before meat? It's in the scriptures, you should study it a bit. How about line upon line?? Do you know what that means? Boy, this is fun trying to use the scriptures to belittle people I love riding high horses, the view is awesome...

[ithink]

I'm lost. I have no idea what the last few posts are about. I didn't sign up for a moderated private forum because you never know who will be impressed by you never know what. Does anyone understand? In using censorship of this fashion, this forum becomes what it preaches against, and as I said, today's conservative is yesterday's communist.

And don't give me that garbage that this is "Brian's forum". Of course it is his brainchild, god bless him for it, but god bless every one of the hundreds of others who make fill it in on a regular basis also. But to ignore the concerns of those who fill the site and make it worthwhile to visit (thanks to it's writers and readers), and also to snub those who help pay the bills is a bit much.

I'm saying that if the moderator censors anything except filth and trash talk, then I'm not into that censorship.

[creator]

In using censorship of this fashion, this forum becomes what it preaches against, and as I said, today's conservative is yesterday's communist.

Actually I'm simply exercising my property rights, and right to association and discrimination. I'm also using my freedom to pursue happiness, and to promote liberty... and not violating anyone's rights in the process. If anything, where this forum lacks in upholding Liberty, as defined by the Lord, is in it being too lenient. Liberty is not license... True Liberty only comes through righteousness. If anyone wants to deny me those rights they are the communist.

The public area of this forum has a different purpose than the private area of the forum. There are certain things that are not appropriate for public discussion. In fact, it's rather silly to claim censorship now - with the private forum I'm actually being more lenient, there are things being discussed on there which would have previously been deleted or locked.

...if the moderator censors anything except filth and trash talk, then I'm not into that censorship.

Since when was upholding a standard considered censorship... I am simply doing what, in my judgment, based on the years of this forums existence and the various complaints and suggestions that have come to me, what I feel will facilitate the best experience for the most amount of people... and more important to facilitate a better experience for those who are investigating and/or in the process of waking up to all of this. You are free to think that I am taking the wrong approach in achieving the goal, and I welcome your input, but this is what has been decided for now.

[serenitylala]

I'm just curious how I got access to the private forum... I'm grateful and feel very honored, but I'm confused as to how a troublemaker like me got in.

Anyway, for the record, even if I hadn't been allowed to read the private discussion posts, I still would agree that you should be allowed to have a private forum, if you want one.

[creator]

I'm just curious how I got access to the private forum

I gave you access to the forum because you had been participating in one of the discussions that was moved into the private area. At this point almost anyone can get access to it. But only logged in users know it exists. Guests who are reading the forum and have not registered and logged in won't even know the private area is there.

[serenitylala]

I'm just curious how I got access to the private forum

I gave you access to the forum because you had been participating in one of the discussions that was moved into the private area. At this point almost anyone can get access to it. But only logged in users know it exists. Guests who are reading the forum and have not registered and logged in won't even know the private area is there.

Only guests don't see it? See. That is another reason why there should be a private discussion forum. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, personally.

[Mahonri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY

[leeuniverse]

I like to say that today's conservative is yesterday's communist. In other words, there has been a slide in the general thinking and principles of that conservative mindset. That being said, I've noticed that on this forum that topics which were mainstream items 25 years ago, like birth control, are now relegated to the private discussion area of this forum. I totally disagree with this, and I call it a form of censorship. I agree that Brian owns the forum, but I don't agree with this private discussion area. In an age of the internet, with everything being shouted from the rooftops, it is a moot point anyway.

1. You have that wrong.... Today's LIBERAL/Democrat is yesterdays Communist. Today's Conservative is still the same as it's always been.

2. You are correct in one way. There is a nutball segment of Conservatism that has emerged that is very much Liberal/Communist, and most of this forum sadly is made up of them. They are those who follow what I call the Jones Brothers (Alex Jones & Dr. Jones). While these two individuals are mostly conservative, they have become radical nuts and certainly NOT Conservative in some of their significant views, such as their anti-war views, their 9/11 and other conspiracy theory's, and their bearing false witness of FULL Conservatives such as I, Rush, Glenn, Malkin, Hannity, etc.

3. You are also right in that this forum can be fascist. If you say anything negative about the Jones Brothers, you are warned and threatened with banning, even though they are public figures which anything should be allowed within reason to be said about them, and even though one of them posts here, such SHOULD NOT MATTER. We can be negative about everything and everyone else, thus just because many here "love" those two individuals, doesn't mean our speech should be banned. Otherwise, this is not really a "Freedom Forum". It's a if you don't agree with me we will ban you forum, which is a LIBERAL/Fascist tactic.

4. As to the "Private Forum", I'm not active enough to know or care what's going on with that. Just wanted to address the above related to your statement issues.

[Mahonri]

Lee,
I dislike AJ as much as the next sane person, however what you say about him and Steven is actually what you are accusing them of doing (bearing false witness) which is a liberal tactic.

I have never seen you back up your claims before.

[Original_Intent]

I like to say that today's conservative is yesterday's communist. In other words, there has been a slide in the general thinking and principles of that conservative mindset. That being said, I've noticed that on this forum that topics which were mainstream items 25 years ago, like birth control, are now relegated to the private discussion area of this forum. I totally disagree with this, and I call it a form of censorship. I agree that Brian owns the forum, but I don't agree with this private discussion area. In an age of the internet, with everything being shouted from the rooftops, it is a moot point anyway.

1. You have that wrong.... Today's LIBERAL/Democrat is yesterdays Communist. Today's Conservative is still the same as it's always been. You are mistaken here, Lee, and only illustrate that you are still living in the Left/Right paradigm that our Overseers want us to live in.

2. You are correct in one way. There is a nutball segment of Conservatism that has emerged that is very much Liberal/Communist, and most of this forum sadly is made up of them. They are those who follow what I call the Jones Brothers (Alex Jones & Dr. Jones). While these two individuals are mostly conservative, they have become radical nuts and certainly NOT Conservative in some of their significant views, such as their anti-war views, their 9/11 and other conspiracy theory's, and their bearing false witness of FULL Conservatives such as I, Rush, Glenn, Malkin, Hannity, etc.
Ah being anti-war is NOT a conservative view. Thanks for that. Seems like in the Book of Mormon one group of people was described as "war-like" and one group of people "did not delight in the shedding of blood" and only reluctantly took up the sword when it was a necessity to preserve their lives and liberty, when they had been INVADED. So which group fits your qualification of Conservative? Show me an example of righteous PRE-EMPTIVE war in the Book of Mormon - oh, wait, IT ISN'T THERE.

3. You are also right in that this forum can be fascist. If you say anything negative about the Jones Brothers, you are warned and threatened with banning, even though they are public figures which anything should be allowed within reason to be said about them, and even though one of them posts here, such SHOULD NOT MATTER. We can be negative about everything and everyone else, thus just because many here "love" those two individuals, doesn't mean our speech should be banned. Otherwise, this is not really a "Freedom Forum". It's a if you don't agree with me we will ban you forum, which is a LIBERAL/Fascist tactic. Back up your claims rather than making baseless, libelous attacks on individuals. You make outrageous claims, provide no evidence other than it is your "point of view" and when pressed for evidence, you disappear. You practice the tactics that you accuse others of. Slander and innuendo are your tools, and then you complain when you are called on it.

4. As to the "Private Forum", I'm not active enough to know or care what's going on with that. Just wanted to address the above related to your statement issues.

[NoGreaterLove]

I guess I have departed from looking at things from a liberal-conservative viewpoint. I tend to no longer divide things into these categories. I lean more towards a God-Satan division. It clarifies things and makes it easier to distinguish which path to choose.
I find that both conservative and liberal so called views have both a God and Satan philosophy in them. So it just makes more sense to me to keep with the God and Satan view division.
It sure eliminates a lot of heated discussion about who is conservative and who is liberal.
It is so much easier to determine what is evil and what is good because we have the standard works and our modern day prophets as guides.

Ask me if I am republican or democrat. I will tell you I am a child of God.

[creator]

...There is a nutball segment of Conservatism that has emerged that is very much Liberal/Communist, and most of this forum sadly is made up of them. They are those who follow what I call the Jones Brothers (Alex Jones & Dr. Jones). While these two individuals are mostly conservative, they have become radical nuts and certainly NOT Conservative in some of their significant views, such as their anti-war views, their 9/11 and other conspiracy theory's, and their bearing false witness of FULL Conservatives such as I, Rush, Glenn, Malkin, Hannity, etc.

3. You are also right in that this forum can be fascist. If you say anything negative about the Jones Brothers, you are warned and threatened with banning, even though they are public figures which anything should be allowed within reason to be said about them, and even though one of them posts here, such SHOULD NOT MATTER. We can be negative about everything and everyone else, thus just because many here "love" those two individuals, doesn't mean our speech should be banned. Otherwise, this is not really a "Freedom Forum". It's a if you don't agree with me we will ban you forum, which is a LIBERAL/Fascist tactic.

Leeuniverse,

Seeing that you have publicly slandered Dr. Jones, I expect that you publicly apologize on this forum to him. You don't have to agree with Dr. Jones but don't attack his character.

I also expect that you apologize for your false accusations that majority on this forum are part of a "nutball segment of Conservatism". I don't imagine any of us has 100% truth at this point, but there's no good reason to attack people in such a manner.

I'll definitely allow you to continue to have incorrect, false and ignorant views on war, secret combinations, and the principles of freedom - and I won't ban you for that... What I will ban you for is your personal attacks on others.