Glenn Beck on Gay Marriage & Abortion

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[pjbrownie]

I loved his response. The only bone I have to pick is that the gay marriage fight is a slippery slope--the jurisprudence of gay marriage being a right opens up gay from the "right to be discriminated against." Look at judge walker's ruling carefully. Since our country follows case law and not the Constitution, this is key. It will open up the way for these types of Swedish/Canadian rulings on hate speech laws. It's not fear-mongering when there's precedent.

On the other hand, if we don't fight the big picture, as Beck says, what does it matter about case law. The New World Order could just wave a dictatorial law and outlaw religion and make these other discussions moot.

[tribrac]

The only bone I have to pick is that the gay marriage fight is a slippery slope

Might I suggest that the real issue is not about anything gay. Its about something much bigger. A federal judge just ruled that a vote can be invalidated if a judge suspects the voter was influenced by Religious Motivation. As a LD Saint, as a Christian have you ever been influenced by your religious views when you voted? If so your vote was not valid. The implications are staggering.


Read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/0 ... 74053.html
and this: http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/01/29/ ... -on-trial/

and then read what Neal A. Maxwell said in 1978: http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=909

We are now entering a period of incredible ironies. Let us cite but one of these ironies which is yet in its subtle stages: we shall see in our time a maximum if indirect effort made to establish irreligion as the state religion. It is actually a new form of paganism that uses the carefully preserved and cultivated freedoms of Western civilization to shrink freedom even as it rejects the value essence of our rich Judeo-Christian heritage.

What the secularists are increasingly demanding, in their disingenuous way, is that religious people, when they act politically, act only on secularist grounds. They are trying to equate acting on religion with establishing religion. And--I repeat--the consequence of such logic is really to establish secularism. It is in fact, to force the religious to internalize the major premise of secularism: that religion has no proper bearing on public affairs. [Human Life Review, Summer 1978, pp. 51–52, 60–61]

Brothers and sisters, irreligion as the state religion would be the worst of all combinations. Its orthodoxy would be insistent and its inquisitors inevitable. Its paid ministry would be numerous beyond belief. Its Caesars would be insufferably condescending. Its majorities--when faced with clear alternatives--would make the Barabbas choice, as did a mob centuries ago when Pilate confronted them with the need to decide.

Your discipleship may see the time come when religious convictions are heavily discounted.

ps- I don't read or listen to Mr. Beck, sorry if he already said any of this.

[pjbrownie]

I don't think Mr. Beck is saying that he doesn't support the Proposition 8 position--but that he has other fish to fry. I would agree with only on principle--the ruling by Judge Walker has been treated as a complete fiat--and the case law he has created has essentially established a new right--the right not to be discriminated against. Very slippery slope. But if Glenn wants to keep his sights on the FED and the economy and the socialist puppets, applause would be coming his way.

[Mosby]

It's obivious that O'Reilly is trying to set Beck up here in this interview, and Beck doesn't allow himself to be set up. -Beck is very good at speaking and is very skilled in stepping around issues.

I love it when O'Reilly asks him if he thinks that "gay marriage" is a threat to America- Beck makes a joke - to sidestep the question and then quotes Jefferson to the effect of "if it doesn't hurt me- then it's ok" well.......that mindset on gay marriage is naive - and it puts Beck at odds with the Church, because the brethren definetly believe that gay marriage is a threat to not only America - but the entire world!

Beck says that he "has bigger fish to fry" than gay marriage- I would love to see how covering finianical matters and history are more important than morality. I think that Glenn doesn't "cover gay rights and abortion" because he is handled by foxnews- and he knows that if he really wants some vicious enemies that could hurt him in the wallet- then he should address the "gay" issue.

Beck has done a good job of turning people on to some great books and ideas- but he is dead wrong if he thinks that we have a "bigger issue" than morality. Immorality will destroy a country faster than a corrupt government ( actually immorality LEADS to corrupt government).
Glenn wants folks to "go back to church" -yet he doesn't weigh in on gay marriage- he doesn't even address it, not even to say what the brethren have said- that "marriage is between a man and a women"- you have to ask youself why?
Glenn missed this great opportunity to testify to the world that marriage is the bedrock of society and if it fails - society fails.
Yet - Glenn still throws out "Van Jones" as if he is larger than the wholesale destruction of the fabric of society through the undermining of the traditional family and mockery of God's sacred union.

What's a "bigger fish" than that Glenn?

Only two things are destroying America:
False educational ideas and Immorality.

You have to deal with both head-on if you want to turn it around, Glenn is doing ok on one of these- but ignores the other

[p51-mustang]

It's obivious that O'Reilly is trying to set Beck up here in this interview, and Beck doesn't allow himself to be set up. -Beck is very good at speaking and is very skilled in stepping around issues.

I love it when O'Reilly asks him if he thinks that "gay marriage" is a threat to America- Beck makes a joke - to sidestep the question and then quotes Jefferson to the effect of "if it doesn't hurt me- then it's ok" well.......that mindset on gay marriage is naive - and it puts Beck at odds with the Church, because the brethren definetly believe that gay marriage is a threat to not only America - but the entire world!

Beck says that he "has bigger fish to fry" than gay marriage- I would love to see how covering finianical matters and history are more important than morality. I think that Glenn doesn't "cover gay rights and abortion" because he is handled by foxnews- and he knows that if he really wants some vicious enemies that could hurt him in the wallet- then he should address the "gay" issue.

Beck has done a good job of turning people on to some great books and ideas- but he is dead wrong if he thinks that we have a "bigger issue" than morality. Immorality will destroy a country faster than a corrupt government ( actually immorality LEADS to corrupt government).
Glenn wants folks to "go back to church" -yet he doesn't weigh in on gay marriage- he doesn't even address it, not even to say what the brethren have said- that "marriage is between a man and a women"- you have to ask youself why?
Glenn missed this great opportunity to testify to the world that marriage is the bedrock of society and if it fails - society fails.
Yet - Glenn still throws out "Van Jones" as if he is larger than the wholesale destruction of the fabric of society through the undermining of the traditional family and mockery of God's sacred union.

What's a "bigger fish" than that Glenn?

Only two things are destroying America:
False educational ideas and Immorality.

You have to deal with both head-on if you want to turn it around, Glenn is doing ok on one of these- but ignores the other

Mosby nails it again! The founders taught that the constitution was only for a moral and religious people and was unsuited to any other. So the lesson here is that the constitution enforces our freedom, but maintaining the constitution requires a religious and moral people. So when a nation stops beleiving in God, or they believe in a God that approves of immorality, then that nation will lose its freedoms. Too bad Glenn doesnt get that.

Rush Limbaugh lost his hearing, now Glenn is losing his eyesight. I wonder if that is some sort of curse for the Both of them selling out for money and intentionally keeping the people from the truth. Only the Lord knows.

[pjbrownie]

It's obivious that O'Reilly is trying to set Beck up here in this interview, and Beck doesn't allow himself to be set up. -Beck is very good at speaking and is very skilled in stepping around issues.

I love it when O'Reilly asks him if he thinks that "gay marriage" is a threat to America- Beck makes a joke - to sidestep the question and then quotes Jefferson to the effect of "if it doesn't hurt me- then it's ok" well.......that mindset on gay marriage is naive - and it puts Beck at odds with the Church, because the brethren definetly believe that gay marriage is a threat to not only America - but the entire world!

Beck says that he "has bigger fish to fry" than gay marriage- I would love to see how covering finianical matters and history are more important than morality. I think that Glenn doesn't "cover gay rights and abortion" because he is handled by foxnews- and he knows that if he really wants some vicious enemies that could hurt him in the wallet- then he should address the "gay" issue.

Beck has done a good job of turning people on to some great books and ideas- but he is dead wrong if he thinks that we have a "bigger issue" than morality. Immorality will destroy a country faster than a corrupt government ( actually immorality LEADS to corrupt government).
Glenn wants folks to "go back to church" -yet he doesn't weigh in on gay marriage- he doesn't even address it, not even to say what the brethren have said- that "marriage is between a man and a women"- you have to ask youself why?
Glenn missed this great opportunity to testify to the world that marriage is the bedrock of society and if it fails - society fails.
Yet - Glenn still throws out "Van Jones" as if he is larger than the wholesale destruction of the fabric of society through the undermining of the traditional family and mockery of God's sacred union.

What's a "bigger fish" than that Glenn?

Only two things are destroying America:
False educational ideas and Immorality.

You have to deal with both head-on if you want to turn it around, Glenn is doing ok on one of these- but ignores the other

Mosby, am I hearing you right that morality issues are more important than exposing secret combinations?

[Shimdidly]

I agree that a chance to take a stand regardless of the circumstances was missed by Beck. I mainly listen to Alex Jones who doesn't like him at all. I generally reserve judgement since I'm human just like him. Sometimes I wonder though if he does more harm than good. A lot of people are waking up and Glenn kinda seems like the Gatekeeper for these people looking a little further and going all the way for freedom and truth.

Honestly though, anyone with a strong message can be a gatekeeper; of no fault of their own. It's always easier to latch onto someone we believe in and stop thinking for ourselves

[JoeSwiss]

Only two things are destroying America:
False educational ideas and Immorality.

Hey, I recognize this one! Thanks Mosby, pulling it all back to first principles.

There's a third one, flattery of prominent men in the world.

Here's the quote from Pres. Joseph F. Smith:

(In Teachings manual for Joseph F. Smith, Ch. 6)
“There are at least three dangers that threaten the Church within, and the authorities need to awaken to the fact that the people should be warned unceasingly against them. As I see these, they are flattery of prominent men in the world, false educational ideas, and sexual impurity. . .

“. . . The third subject mentioned—personal purity, is perhaps of greater importance than either of the other two. We believe in one standard of morality for men and women. If purity of life is neglected, all other dangers set in upon us like the rivers of waters when the flood gates are opened” (“Three Threatening Dangers, Improvement Era, Mar. 1914, 476–77)

The flattery of prominent men in the world -- great topic in itself.

People should be warned unceasingly.

[Mosby]

Mosby, am I hearing you right that morality issues are more important than exposing secret combinations?

Absolutely- because if you have a moral society, you don't have any secret combinations.


Joeswiss- great quote! You are correct, I missed the third one!

[pjbrownie]

Mosby, am I hearing you right that morality issues are more important than exposing secret combinations?

Absolutely- because if you have a moral society, you don't have any secret combinations.


Joeswiss- great quote! You are correct, I missed the third one!

Well then by all means, lets take this forum in that direction and stop all of this diatribe against the New World Order. I expect to see hundreds of posts of the evils of gay marriage in the coming days.

[pjbrownie]

I agree that a chance to take a stand regardless of the circumstances was missed by Beck. I mainly listen to Alex Jones who doesn't like him at all. I generally reserve judgement since I'm human just like him. Sometimes I wonder though if he does more harm than good. A lot of people are waking up and Glenn kinda seems like the Gatekeeper for these people looking a little further and going all the way for freedom and truth.

Honestly though, anyone with a strong message can be a gatekeeper; of no fault of their own. It's always easier to latch onto someone we believe in and stop thinking for ourselves

Yes, and how much time does Alex Jones give on his program to saving marriage?

[Mosby]

Pj- its not me vs Glenn Beck or me vs. You.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, I'm just saying that Glenn missed a golden opportunity to testify of and for a sacred principle. I'm not trying to drag him down or you as well.

[pjbrownie]

Pj- its not me vs Glenn Beck or me vs. You.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, I'm just saying that Glenn missed a golden opportunity to testify of and for a sacred principle. I'm not trying to drag him down or you as well.

Well, yes, he did miss an opportunity.

[keeprunning]

I haven't heard Glenn Beck in a while, so I liked hearing where his focus is right now. It makes total sense to me. Don't take on gay 'marriage' and abortion-get back to faith and let your churches preach to you about it. Leave the government out of it and get back to your faith and religion.

[ndjili]

Um why is it whenever I read about the evils of the world from church materials, abortion comes up usually first and what about the proclamation of the family. I think that both things ARe very big parts of the evils tearing apart the world...tear apart the family...tear apart the world. All the social engineering world wouldnt make the impact it's making if the family was intact. great article

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

Abortion is one evil practice that has become socially accepted in the United States and, indeed, in much of the world. Many of today’s politicians claim not to favor abortion but oppose government intervention in a woman’s right to choose an abortion.

During a prayer breakfast in Washington, D.C., on 3 February 1994, Mother Teresa gave the most honest and powerful proclamation of truth on this subject I have ever heard. She is the 84-year-old Yugoslavian nun who has cared for the poorest of the poor in India for years. She is now aged .and physically frail, but courageous, with immense spiritual strength. Mother Teresa delivered a message that cut to the very heart and soul of the social ills afflicting America, which traditionally has given generously to the peoples of the earth but now has become selfish. She stated that the greatest proof of that selfishness is abortion. It was reported that Mother Teresa had tied abortion to growing violence and murder in the streets by saying, “If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other? … Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.” 11

Then she alluded to the concern that has been shown for orphan children in India and elsewhere in the world, for which she expressed gratitude. But she continued: “These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions who are being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is what is the greatest destroyer of peace today—abortion, which brings people to such blindness.” 12 Commenting on this powerful message, columnist Cal Thomas asked: “Why should people or nations regard human life as noble or dignified if abortion flourishes? Why agonize about indiscriminate death in Bosnia when babies are being killed far more efficiently and out of the sight of television cameras?” 13

In conclusion Mother Teresa pled for pregnant women who don’t want their children to give them to her. She said, “I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child and be loved by the child.” 14 What consummate spiritual courage this remarkable aged woman demonstrated! How the devil must have been offended! Her remarkable declaration, however, was not generally picked up by the press or the editorial writers. Perhaps they felt more comfortable being politically or socially correct. After all, they can justify their stance by asserting that everyone does it or that it is legal. Fortunately the scriptures and the message of the prophets cannot be so revised.

[Geeswell]

I think that he was pretty correct in saying that gay marriage is a smaller fish that getting people to observe their religions, or convert to a religion of some sort that promotes the moral ideals such as what the Church promotes and teaches.

it is pretty hard to argue what is wrong with gay marriage without bringing God or morals into it. yes, there are some valid points, but in the end it all comes back to God. So in order to turn that around and make Gay marriage and gay acts wrong or unacceptable again is by creating in the people a sense of disdain for it. not the unfortunate complacency most have with it. When people understand The bigger picture that God has, and what doesn't work in accordance to those laws, it will be bold-faced to people that such things are abominable.

so yes, getting the people to fear God and turn to him IS indeed a bigger fish to fry.

I had chills go up my spine when oreily says that it would take something big to get people go get back to the churches. scary! haha

it makes perfect sense to me what he is saying. i don't think he discounted either issues at all.

I respect him for saying what he did. who else is speaking about going to church and finding God? that is speaking out against gay marriage and abortions. He is still testifying.

[jimmy k]

wE SHOULD WASTE AND WARE OUT OUR LIVES IN BRINGING TO LIGHT ALL THE HIDDEN THINGS OF DARKNESS, WERE IN WE KNOW THEM AND THEY ARE TRUELY MANIFESTED IN HEAVEN.

WE HAVE THE PREISTHOOD AND IF GOD BE WITH US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US.
LETS TAKE THE SCRIPTURES LITTERALLY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

[John Locke]

John Locke has noticed a trend on this forum that no matter what Mr Beck says some members here will bash him simply because he doesn't think 100% as they do. John Locke think Mr Beck does more good than bad. John Locke wonders if your prophet Ron Paul has spoken up and tesitifed against gay marriage as well as you would like?

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John Locke wonders if your prophet Ron Paul has spoken up and tesitifed against gay marriage as well as you would like?

My Prophet is Thomas S. Monson. Here is what Ron Paul has said:

[John Locke]

Mazal, John Locke would like to apoligize he realizes his comment about "the prophet" could be taken as a stab at you. John Locke assures you it is not, and was not ment so. John Locke was more trying to draw a comparison that those who hate on beck here, are the one's who think any who deny 9/11 truthers are "woefully ignorant." John Locke simply does not agree that because of one issue someone should be the object of so much scorn, however John Locke recognizes the poor choice of words he used in his haste.

edit- Thanks for that video clip John Locke really liked it. Ron Paul is great "its already in the dictioanry."

Also John Locke does support Ron Paul on most issues.