LDS Freedom Forum

Mullenite wrote:... JOY WILL ESCAPE AT THAT TIME... IT WILL BE A TIME TO FLEE, TO ESCAPE."
I also heard that the next President "WILL BE THE END." I heard these exact words ... "WITHIN 48 MONTHS WILL BE THE END!" [4 years] (That was the timeframe I heard at the time that I had the dream, in April 2002 [that is, 48 months from this point is April, 2006].)

M249Gunner wrote:

Mullenite wrote:... JOY WILL ESCAPE AT THAT TIME... IT WILL BE A TIME TO FLEE, TO ESCAPE."
I also heard that the next President "WILL BE THE END." I heard these exact words ... "WITHIN 48 MONTHS WILL BE THE END!" [4 years] (That was the timeframe I heard at the time that I had the dream, in April 2002 [that is, 48 months from this point is April, 2006].)

Sounds like a false warning and a false prophet. The end obviously didn't arrive in April 2006.

Jason wrote:

M249Gunner wrote:

Mullenite wrote:... JOY WILL ESCAPE AT THAT TIME... IT WILL BE A TIME TO FLEE, TO ESCAPE."
I also heard that the next President "WILL BE THE END." I heard these exact words ... "WITHIN 48 MONTHS WILL BE THE END!" [4 years] (That was the timeframe I heard at the time that I had the dream, in April 2002 [that is, 48 months from this point is April, 2006].)

Sounds like a false warning and a false prophet. The end obviously didn't arrive in April 2006.

Unless the 48 months is referring to the election of Obama.....

Raindrop wrote:Why is my post at the top?

Mullenite wrote:http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=EZGocFy_T ... re=related

Wolfgram Prophecy

QUOTE:THE LAST U.S. PRESIDENT - A TIME TO FLEE


THE LAST U.S. PRESIDENT - A TIME TO FLEE
Angel Dahilig.
Released August 17, 2003

On the early morning of April 21st, 2002, I believe the Lord spoke to me in a dream.
I saw myself inside of the White House of the United States of America. I knew that President Bush had just moved out and the next President was to move in. I heard or knew that President Bush's presidency was represented by the color "yellow" (seems like I saw a pale yellow). I heard..."The tribulation has already begun, but some haven't recognized it as having begun yet."
I also heard, "Some have wondered if President Bush is the anti-Christ, but he is NOT." and "President Bush will complete out his term." The next President was yet to move in, and I saw that his color was a drab bluish-grey, yet I was perplexed because if the new President hadn't actually moved in yet, why was I seeing the White House walls painted in this drab gray color already? While I was in the White House, I had the feeling of dread in my heart and I just wanted to get out of there and run, and I heard these words about the next President or Leader... "HE WILL BE DREADFUL AND FEARFUL... JOY WILL ESCAPE AT THAT TIME... IT WILL BE A TIME TO FLEE, TO ESCAPE."
I also heard that the next President "WILL BE THE END." I heard these exact words ... "WITHIN 48 MONTHS WILL BE THE END!" [4 years] (That was the timeframe I heard at the time that I had the dream, in April 2002 [that is, 48 months from this point is April, 2006].) But then I heard these reassurances from The Lord... "BUT, THOSE WHO LOOK TO ME, I WILL EXALT, I WILL KEEP."
I saw correlations of what I heard in my dream and what is written in this passage of scripture. My eyes were opened with this passage:
Isaiah 16:13-14 -- This is the word the Lord has already spoken
concerning Moab. But now the Lord says: "WITHIN THREE YEARS, as a
servant is bound by contract would count them, Moab's splendor and
all her many people will be despised, and her survivors will be very
few and feeble."
I was praying about this dream in Sept 2002, when I released a first draft to a handful of people. That same week, I saw the headlines read "Thousands FLEE Isadora". Also, that same week, my 8 year old son brought me a book to read to him called The Trail of Tears, which is about the American Indians being forced to flee from their homes and land to reservations set aside for them by the American government. (He then fell asleep after I started reading it to him, and has never brought it to me again.) However, when the Lord showed me Isaiah 15-16, and specifically Isaiah 16:13-14, I learned that God does speak warnings with timeframes, in one particular circumstance.
What is the one circumstance found, in scripture, in which God gives a warning with a timeframe attached to it? ... BEFORE HE BRINGS DESTRUCTION AND DESOLATION*, TO GIVE WARNING TO THOSE WHO WILL LISTEN.
Other examples of scriptures, where the Lord has spoken TIMEFRAMES BEFORE JUDGEMENT AND DESOLATION*:
Isaiah 7:9b... "Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be too
shattered to be a people."
Isaiah 21:16 - This is what the Lord says to me: "Within one year,
as a servant bound by contract would count it, all the pomp of Kedar
will come to an end.

DrJones wrote:

Mullenite wrote:http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=EZGocFy_T ... re=related

Wolfgram Prophecy

QUOTE:THE LAST U.S. PRESIDENT - A TIME TO FLEE


THE LAST U.S. PRESIDENT - A TIME TO FLEE
Angel Dahilig.
Released August 17, 2003

On the early morning of April 21st, 2002, I believe the Lord spoke to me in a dream.
I saw myself inside of the White House of the United States of America. I knew that President Bush had just moved out and the next President was to move in. I heard or knew that President Bush's presidency was represented by the color "yellow" (seems like I saw a pale yellow). I heard..."The tribulation has already begun, but some haven't recognized it as having begun yet."
I also heard, "Some have wondered if President Bush is the anti-Christ, but he is NOT." and "President Bush will complete out his term." The next President was yet to move in, and I saw that his color was a drab bluish-grey, yet I was perplexed because if the new President hadn't actually moved in yet, why was I seeing the White House walls painted in this drab gray color already? While I was in the White House, I had the feeling of dread in my heart and I just wanted to get out of there and run, and I heard these words about the next President or Leader... "HE WILL BE DREADFUL AND FEARFUL... JOY WILL ESCAPE AT THAT TIME... IT WILL BE A TIME TO FLEE, TO ESCAPE."
I also heard that the next President "WILL BE THE END." I heard these exact words ... "WITHIN 48 MONTHS WILL BE THE END!" [4 years] (That was the timeframe I heard at the time that I had the dream, in April 2002 [that is, 48 months from this point is April, 2006].) But then I heard these reassurances from The Lord... "BUT, THOSE WHO LOOK TO ME, I WILL EXALT, I WILL KEEP."
I saw correlations of what I heard in my dream and what is written in this passage of scripture. My eyes were opened with this passage:
Isaiah 16:13-14 -- This is the word the Lord has already spoken
concerning Moab. But now the Lord says: "WITHIN THREE YEARS, as a
servant is bound by contract would count them, Moab's splendor and
all her many people will be despised, and her survivors will be very
few and feeble."
I was praying about this dream in Sept 2002, when I released a first draft to a handful of people. That same week, I saw the headlines read "Thousands FLEE Isadora". Also, that same week, my 8 year old son brought me a book to read to him called The Trail of Tears, which is about the American Indians being forced to flee from their homes and land to reservations set aside for them by the American government. (He then fell asleep after I started reading it to him, and has never brought it to me again.) However, when the Lord showed me Isaiah 15-16, and specifically Isaiah 16:13-14, I learned that God does speak warnings with timeframes, in one particular circumstance.
What is the one circumstance found, in scripture, in which God gives a warning with a timeframe attached to it? ... BEFORE HE BRINGS DESTRUCTION AND DESOLATION*, TO GIVE WARNING TO THOSE WHO WILL LISTEN.
Other examples of scriptures, where the Lord has spoken TIMEFRAMES BEFORE JUDGEMENT AND DESOLATION*:
Isaiah 7:9b... "Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be too
shattered to be a people."
Isaiah 21:16 - This is what the Lord says to me: "Within one year,
as a servant bound by contract would count it, all the pomp of Kedar
will come to an end.

This is a very confusing thread == is the above "dream" ascribed to Bro. Wolfgramm, or NOT?

I have never before seen the date of April 2002 ascribed to bro. Wolfgramm... indeed, when did he pass away?

18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

serenitylala wrote:
Now it makes you wonder who this vile person is, especially if this person is considered more vile than Obama by the Lord?

Personally, I hadn't ever thought anyone could be more vile, but oh well.

M249Gunner wrote:

Jason wrote:

M249Gunner wrote:Sounds like a false warning and a false prophet. The end obviously didn't arrive in April 2006.

Unless the 48 months is referring to the election of Obama.....

That wasn't within 48 months of April 2002. Unless the statement is inferring that the end would be within a 48 month period at some time in the future. That almost extends indefinitely when "THE END" can happen. I don't think I buy that. Maybe some of the warning could be true. If that is the case, then the rest is false and the source is dubious.

loquaciousmomma wrote:

serenitylala wrote:
Now it makes you wonder who this vile person is, especially if this person is considered more vile than Obama by the Lord?

Personally, I hadn't ever thought anyone could be more vile, but oh well.

I am not a fan of Obama, and did not vote for him. I don't think he is terribly vile, though. Remember, history has provided us with examples of pretty vile leaders. Stalin, Hitler, these were vile men who ended the lives of millions. Obama has not done so thus far. He may yet (I pray he won't.), but until then, I will think of him as the puppet of power hungry oligarchs who are dismantling our nation to further their own agenda.

I think things can get so much worse than we have experienced. That scripture makes perfect sense to me, if Obama is indeed the second leader it refers to, the horrors that can be unleashed upon our people by another president are almost limitless. (Think predator drones. Has anyone read accounts of people during the most recent attack on Gaza in which predator drones killed civilians walking down the street? Our police departments are quietly acquiring them in the guise of fighting the drug war now.)

Rather than flee, I think it is a time to "stand in Holy Places and be not moved". We need the power and protection of the Lord as things are developing quickly, and it is only with His help that we can face what is to come.

kathyn wrote:I second what loquaciousmomma said. I think those pulling Obama's strings are the truly vile ones. He's a useful puppet. He's a narcissitic personality who can be manipulated by powerful individuals who feed his vanity.

(And welcome, loquaciousmomma.)