Gail Smith disturbing visions of the future of America...

[Mullenite]

The following is some information provided by of Utah, who claim to have recieved some disturbing visions of the future of America...
Gail has stated that she has had dreams/visions of what may be destined to be the greatest military ground battle in the history of the world, which will take place in the NEVADA DESERT between Eastern and Western military forces, following a MASSIVE invasion force from the Pacific Ocean which will totally devastate California, and also other forces moving in from Alaska and Mexico. So, according to many different sources who have had dreams and visions, the sequence of events will be something like this: 1) The U.S. ships troops to Korea, possibly to fight a Communist re-insurgance there into South Korea; 2) An October Wall Street economic collapse (2006?); 3) A long-lasting earthquake ten days later in Utah and the western Rockies; 4) A devastating quake that will raise the floor of Lake Michigan fiften days following the first quake in the west, emptying the contents of the lake and flooding surrounding cities; 5) Within days of the second quake the Chinese will nuke west coast cities from submarines, while the Russians nuke east coast cities from subs also; 6) The Chinese forces will invade the west coast in droves and destroy most of California, and engage U.S. forces in the Nevada desert... perhaps the greatest military ground battle in the history of the world, and the Red Chinese forces will eventually be halted near the Sierra Nevada mountains - with more than a little help from 'divine intervention' due to the prayers of Americans who have realized that this battle will not be won on their feet, but on their knees... since the physical war will be a mere reflexion of the REAL war taking place between the standing and fallen angellic forces; 7) The Russians (and and other East block countries) will invade the east coast following the nuclear attack on the east coastal cities, and will plow a path of destruction through the eastern states, however they will eventually be halted near the Missouri River by U.S. forces...
Many visions state that the halting of the Chinese in the west and the Russians in the east will mostly be the result of divine intervention.
Many who have been shown the invasion of the US have seen that the invading forces, after accomplishing great destruction, will be stopped by divine intervention and themselves destroyed and/or driven back. One man was told that the invasion would occur after the US ships troops to Korea.
(Note: Another source confirms that many if not most of our U.S. troops will be involved in a foreign war: The following, from the Yahoo Group 'FAB Codes', seems to suggest that one of the men behind this impending invasion of America is the 'Black Pope' of Rome [See: http://www.chick.com - which confirms that Communism was secretly created by the Jesuits] - This Jesuit General intends to destroy Protestant America from the face of the earth, using the Jesuit's puppets of Russia and China, and other European countries under it's control. Here is some information from the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fab_Codes/ describing the working of this evil society: According to Phelps [author on a book about the Black Pope], the battle lines are clearly drawn in 2006 as nuclear war in Iran is looming on the horizon. He also claims the American military, mired in Iraq, will be stretched to the limit when the war expands in the Middle East, culminating in the invasion of foreign troops on American soil with no defense.)
Americans must be honest with themselves... occultism, abortion, greed, homosexuality, willful decieption, etc., have provoked God's WRATH and removed His PROTECTIVE SHIELD from around the United States. There are many Godly people in America, yes, but also many who have sold out to the ways of Babylon. So the removal of God's protecting hand because of America's wickedness, due to these apostates, will ALLOW her enemies to come in...
One visionary who saw the Russians moving west, saw that they made it to the Missouri River before being stopped by divine intervention. He also saw the Chinese moving east through California and being stopped near the Sierra Nevada mountains after devastating much of the state of California... and many others have also had similar visions... this halting of enemy forces was also due to divine intervention.
It would not be the American military alone who stops the invasion, nor psychological warfare, but the SPIRITUAL WARFARE of those prayer-warriors who get on their knees and bind the demonic powers that are motivating the enemy, and plead for the intervention of the angellic warriors. This is a combined spiritual, mental, and physical warfare... with the importance of the battlefields being in that order: spiritual, mental, and physical.
George Washington saw in his vision that there will be a time of enemy invasion happen BEFORE the ANGELIC INVASION occurs, which probably means that by the time the angellic invasion occurs, humbled American prayer-warriors will have fought great battles in the spiritual realm.
"American" is not a racial state or term, but an ideological one, since America is a composite of freedom-lovers from all over the world and from every racial identity... These prayer warriors will have faught their spiritual battles to the point where the Angelic forces at last break through as the light of a thousand suns piercing the darkness, as General George Washington observed in his vision.
Some people have seen in visons that eventually near the end of the war, Russia and China will blame each other for their losses and attack each other, and their respective empires will fall, as their political power-centers collapse. ["Evil shall slay the wicked." - Psalm 34:21].
However some have actually 'seen' this invasion of America, and the aftermath, involving the collapse of the Chinese and Russian empires... and have stated that God will not be through with those two countries, but will pour out His spirit on their remnants (mostly the women and the young children) and will raise up lights in the midst of the darkness of chaos and anarchy that will grip those countries following their collapse, and great revivals will break out once the demonized governments have fallen and collapsed -- just as the 'reptilian' demonic-Illuminati elements within the American government will have been purged away by the war -- and that the missionaries who will rise up as the result of these revivals will spread throughout the whole earth, and lead multitudes to Christ, the source of all LIFE...
(According to some, this will also be due to the FALL of the last Roman 'emperor' - also known as the 'Antichrist' - who will lead a 10 nation European alliance that will ally itself with Russia and China and support the invasion of America)
Another who recieved words of prophecy for America stated that on the West coast, Chinese forces will advance from the beaches of the State of Washington to Olympia, Washington, moving due south to Portland, Oregon, and from there to Pendleton, Oregon and to Boise, Idaho. The Chinese - Japanese forces landing on the Baja California (Mexico) area will move over the border to Los Angeles, California, and from there east to Phoenix, Arizona, to Tucson, Arizona; to Las Cruces, New Mexico, to El Paso, Texas. The Chinese will send another force from Los Angeles up the coast to San Francisco, and advance from there to Reno, Nevada; to Winnemucca, Nevada - to Salt Lake City, Utah; to Rock Springs, Wyoming to Cheyenne, Wyoming, to North Platte, Nebraska, to Grand Island, Nebraska.
These are the main fighting zones. By checking a Road Atlas, you can quickly see the main highways they will follow, and whether or not your dwellings are in a fighting zone or a by-passed zone. Although there will be others, these are the major lines along which most of the battles will take place. No nuclear weapons will fall in the areas devastated by the earthquake.
(Note: As for Colorado and Utah - and the western Rockies - based on certain 'revelations' it seems that the Chinese may reach parts of this area, however great natural disasters - such as earthquakes and the breaking of resevoir dams - will devastate much of this area, so the incursion of enemy forces may not be complete, as they may consider that the natural disasters are doing most of the work for them...)

[bobhenstra]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

[Nan]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

Thank you. I find it amazing that so many people on here will put more into other people's dreams than in what the prophets and apostles are saying or NOT saying as the case may be. Other people's dreams are not for our lives and frankly if they are from God, they are not to be shared this way. Why are we as members of the church so willing to follow people who are not in our priesthood line of authority and are not in our family line of authority and can receive NO revelation for us? Is it because it is exciting and sensational? Revelation from God does not feel like excitement. Revelation from Satan feels exciting and sensational. Revelation from God requires growth from us. Revelation from Satan requires no such growth and you sit around getting all excited again.

[Squally]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

Thank you. I find it amazing that so many people on here will put more into other people's dreams than in what the prophets and apostles are saying or NOT saying as the case may be. Other people's dreams are not for our lives and frankly if they are from God, they are not to be shared this way. Why are we as members of the church so willing to follow people who are not in our priesthood line of authority and are not in our family line of authority and can receive NO revelation for us? Is it because it is exciting and sensational? Revelation from God does not feel like excitement. Revelation from Satan feels exciting and sensational. Revelation from God requires growth from us. Revelation from Satan requires no such growth and you sit around getting all excited again.

I find it exciting and wonderful to get these dreams from others. Thanks! (I know I know, if its exciting it is of the devil, if its boring its of God.)

[DOZ]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

why even ask the questions??? we know these people who share their dreams or visions are not called prophets.

[DOZ]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

Thank you. I find it amazing that so many people on here will put more into other people's dreams than in what the prophets and apostles are saying or NOT saying as the case may be. Who here on this site is doing that????? never read that someone was paying more attention to these visions more then the prophet.Poeple on this site are not stupid. Other people's dreams are not for our lives and frankly if they are from God, they are not to be shared this way. But if they want to share ???is that not their free agency??? Why are we as members of the church so willing to follow people who are not in our priesthood line of authority and are not in our family line of authority and can receive NO revelation for us? Where do you get "so willing "from??? Is it because it is exciting and sensational? Revelation from God does not feel like excitement. Revelation from Satan feels exciting and sensational. Revelation from God requires growth from us. Revelation from Satan requires no such growth and you sit around getting all excited again.

Is it wrong to enjoy reading a vision or a dream from someone with no authority???
It's what we do with such visions that matters...IMHO

[p51-mustang]

And these prophets were called, set apart and sustained when??

Bob

Do you really think the brethren would share something like this publicly? They can only share so much with us publicly. Why do you think Isaiah is written in code? It foretels these same events but only those who pay the price to learn it have the meaning of it revealed.

[Geeswell]

uhgn! wall of text!!!! it makes my eyes burn!!!! so i didnt read it sorry.

eheh.

anyway, I agree that it is interesting to read, but, honestly, don't alter your life plans one bit from them. I've heard people say over the pulpit at church that bad things would happen come [insert time within a year here] and it never did. and they said they saw it in a vision.

i think that people can read all these visions and dreams from prophets and others alike and think on them so much that they have a dream of their own, but it is a working of their subconscious. Maybe my opinion, but that's what i believe a lot of these are.

[Raindrop]

There's that 2006 again. What the heck.

As an aside (sort of)... I think putting up visions/revelations from non-LDS leader sources makes people nervous. And ultimately I see this as a huge problem. Why are they nervous? What makes them uncomfortable? Why don't people just ignore the thread but rather choose to condemn others for going off on strange roads and finding uncertain (though interesting) things? I believe they are not confident in their own ability to spirtually discern. So... anything off the established line of authority is a real threat to them spiritually. They don't have the confidence to know if it is truth or not, so they put forth their umbrella condemnation of anything not out of Salt Lake, reviewed by the correlation committee and Ensign-ready. Wasn't it Brigham who said we embrace ALL truth, no matter the source. Some just don't have that ability, I guess. And furthermore, they do not desire it. They want to be led in all things, told what to believe and not worry about being responsible for their own spiritual growth on a personal level. They're good at getting in line, but if no one is there to lead, maybe not so good.

[pjbrownie]

2 Chronicles 32: Also cross-reference with Isaiah 37-38

1 After these things, and the establishment thereof, Sennacherib king of Assyria (Russians and Chinese) came, and entered into Judah (The righteous left in America in the Mountain West after the wicked are cut off), and encamped against the fenced cities, and thought to win them for himself.
2 And when Hezekiah saw that Sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem,
3 He took counsel with his princes and his mighty men to stop the waters of the fountains which were without the city: and they did help him. (They cut off all of the water and reservoirs in the West).
4 So there was gathered much people together, who stopped all the fountains, and the brook that ran through the midst of the land, saying, Why should the kings of Assyria come, and find much water?
5 Also he strengthened himself, and built up all the wall that was broken, and raised it up to the towers, and another wall without, and repaired Millo in the city of David, and made darts and shields in abundance. (Troops and defenses are raised to defend the Mountain West).
6 And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying,
7 Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: (We should trust in God, not in alliances.)

It's in the scriptures, so I would surmise that this dream is true for the most part. But I would place more stock in the scriptures than the dreamer--just to be on the safe side.
8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the Lord our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah.
9 ¶ After this did Sennacherib king of Assyria send his servants to Jerusalem (perhaps Salt Lake City), (but he himself laid siege against Lachish (which could be Provo or Ogden or some other large city in the Mountain West, perhaps Las Vegas or Boise), and all his power with him,) unto Hezekiah king of Judah, and unto all Judah that were at Jerusalem, saying,
10 Thus saith Sennacherib king of Assyria, Whereon do ye trust, that ye abide in the siege in Jerusalem?
11 Doth not Hezekiah persuade you to give over yourselves to die by famine and by thirst, saying, The Lord our God shall deliver us out of the hand of the king of Assyria? (We will not yield to the New World Order of the Beast)
12 Hath not the same Hezekiah taken away his high places and his altars, and commanded Judah and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall worship before one altar, and burn incense upon it? (People will have repented and only worship Jesus Christ and believe in the restored gospel and quit worshiping upon the altars of modern Babylon by this time).
13 Know ye not what I and my fathers have done unto all the people of other lands? were the gods of the nations of those lands any ways able to deliver their lands out of mine hand? (Look what they did to the other lands of America).
14 Who was there among all the gods of those nations that my fathers utterly destroyed, that could deliver his people out of mine hand, that your God should be able to deliver you out of mine hand? (Christianity so far will not have been able to stop them).
15 Now therefore let not Hezekiah deceive you, nor persuade you on this manner, neither yet believe him: for no god of any nation or kingdom was able to deliver his people out of mine hand, and out of the hand of my fathers: how much less shall your God deliver you out of mine hand?
16 And his servants spake yet more against the Lord God, and against his servant Hezekiah.
17 He wrote also letters to rail on the Lord God of Israel, and to speak against him, saying, As the gods of the nations of other lands have not delivered their people out of mine hand, so shall not the God of Hezekiah deliver his people out of mine hand. (The Russians and Chinese will mock the Church and God).
18 Then they cried with a loud voice in the Jews’ speech unto the people of Jerusalem that were on the wall, to affright them, and to trouble them; that they might take the city.
19 And they spake against the God of Jerusalem, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.
20 And for this cause Hezekiah the king, and the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz, prayed and cried to heaven.
21 ¶ And the Lord sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valour, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. (The Lord will destroy the armies of the Russians and Chinese) So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he was come into the house of his god, they that came forth of his own bowels slew him there with the sword. (The first Beast is destroyed).
22 Thus the Lord saved Hezekiah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib the king of Assyria, and from the hand of all other, and guided them on every side.
23 And many brought gifts unto the Lord to Jerusalem, and presents to Hezekiah king of Judah: so that he was magnified in the sight of all nations from thenceforth. (Hezekiah is a type for Christ or the prophet who leads the people like unto Moses in the last days to the New Jerusalem. He is a type for the Messiah).
24 ¶ In those days Hezekiah was sick to the death, and prayed unto the Lord: and he spake unto him, and he gave him a sign.
25 But Hezekiah rendered not again according to the benefit done unto him; for his heart was lifted up: therefore there was wrath upon him, and upon Judah and Jerusalem.
26 Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, both he and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the Lord came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah.
27 ¶ And Hezekiah had exceeding much riches and honour: and he made himself treasuries for silver, and for gold, and for precious stones, and for spices, and for shields, and for all manner of pleasant jewels;
28 Storehouses also for the increase of corn, and wine, and oil; and stalls for all manner of beasts, and cotes for flocks. (The survivors become rich indeed and Zion prospers).
29 Moreover he provided him cities, and possessions of flocks and herds in abundance: for God had given him substance very much.
30 This same Hezekiah also stopped the upper watercourse of Gihon, and brought it straight down to the west side of the city of David. And Hezekiah prospered in all his works.
31 ¶ Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to enquire of the wonder that was done in the land, God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart. (The rest of the Gentile world will marvel at this miracle).
32 ¶ Now the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and his goodness, behold, they are written in the vision of Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, and in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel.
33 And Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the chiefest of the sepulchres of the sons of David: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honour at his death. And Manasseh his son reigned in his stead

It's in the scriptures, so it must be true, but the point is that I don't need Gail Smith's dream--I can find it in the words of Isaiah or in the Old Testament.

[tsc]

Joel 2: 28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2: 17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

[bobhenstra]

Joel 2: 28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2: 17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And all those dreams and prophecies are for themselves and their families. "We" follow the prophet! I'm an old man, I have had those dreams.

I'm in the process of adding to my "swords" and related items, I'm doing it because of a dream and inspiration. But I'm not out telling everybody in the church they should be doing the same thing. I'm preparing myself and my family for the major unrest that is about to befall our country. I'm preparing my version of todays "swords, as Nephi did, defending himself and his people from his wicked brothers. Todays "Swords" are a bit different than they were in Nephi's day, they go bang, not clang----

But I follow the Prophet! Were he to ask me for all my preparations, he would get them!

Bob

[p51-mustang]

2 Chronicles 32: Also cross-reference with Isaiah 37-38

1 After these things, and the establishment thereof, Sennacherib king of Assyria (Russians and Chinese) came, and entered into Judah (The righteous left in America in the Mountain West after the wicked are cut off), and encamped against the fenced cities, and thought to win them for himself.
2 And when Hezekiah saw that Sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem,
3 He took counsel with his princes and his mighty men to stop the waters of the fountains which were without the city: and they did help him. (They cut off all of the water and reservoirs in the West).
4 So there was gathered much people together, who stopped all the fountains, and the brook that ran through the midst of the land, saying, Why should the kings of Assyria come, and find much water?
5 Also he strengthened himself, and built up all the wall that was broken, and raised it up to the towers, and another wall without, and repaired Millo in the city of David, and made darts and shields in abundance. (Troops and defenses are raised to defend the Mountain West).
6 And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying,
7 Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: (We should trust in God, not in alliances.)

It's in the scriptures, so I would surmise that this dream is true for the most part. But I would place more stock in the scriptures than the dreamer--just to be on the safe side.
8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the Lord our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah.
9 ¶ After this did Sennacherib king of Assyria send his servants to Jerusalem (perhaps Salt Lake City), (but he himself laid siege against Lachish (which could be Provo or Ogden or some other large city in the Mountain West, perhaps Las Vegas or Boise), and all his power with him,) unto Hezekiah king of Judah, and unto all Judah that were at Jerusalem, saying,
10 Thus saith Sennacherib king of Assyria, Whereon do ye trust, that ye abide in the siege in Jerusalem?
11 Doth not Hezekiah persuade you to give over yourselves to die by famine and by thirst, saying, The Lord our God shall deliver us out of the hand of the king of Assyria? (We will not yield to the New World Order of the Beast)
12 Hath not the same Hezekiah taken away his high places and his altars, and commanded Judah and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall worship before one altar, and burn incense upon it? (People will have repented and only worship Jesus Christ and believe in the restored gospel and quit worshiping upon the altars of modern Babylon by this time).
13 Know ye not what I and my fathers have done unto all the people of other lands? were the gods of the nations of those lands any ways able to deliver their lands out of mine hand? (Look what they did to the other lands of America).
14 Who was there among all the gods of those nations that my fathers utterly destroyed, that could deliver his people out of mine hand, that your God should be able to deliver you out of mine hand? (Christianity so far will not have been able to stop them).
15 Now therefore let not Hezekiah deceive you, nor persuade you on this manner, neither yet believe him: for no god of any nation or kingdom was able to deliver his people out of mine hand, and out of the hand of my fathers: how much less shall your God deliver you out of mine hand?
16 And his servants spake yet more against the Lord God, and against his servant Hezekiah.
17 He wrote also letters to rail on the Lord God of Israel, and to speak against him, saying, As the gods of the nations of other lands have not delivered their people out of mine hand, so shall not the God of Hezekiah deliver his people out of mine hand. (The Russians and Chinese will mock the Church and God).
18 Then they cried with a loud voice in the Jews’ speech unto the people of Jerusalem that were on the wall, to affright them, and to trouble them; that they might take the city.
19 And they spake against the God of Jerusalem, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.
20 And for this cause Hezekiah the king, and the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz, prayed and cried to heaven.
21 ¶ And the Lord sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valour, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. (The Lord will destroy the armies of the Russians and Chinese) So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he was come into the house of his god, they that came forth of his own bowels slew him there with the sword. (The first Beast is destroyed).
22 Thus the Lord saved Hezekiah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib the king of Assyria, and from the hand of all other, and guided them on every side.
23 And many brought gifts unto the Lord to Jerusalem, and presents to Hezekiah king of Judah: so that he was magnified in the sight of all nations from thenceforth. (Hezekiah is a type for Christ or the prophet who leads the people like unto Moses in the last days to the New Jerusalem. He is a type for the Messiah).
24 ¶ In those days Hezekiah was sick to the death, and prayed unto the Lord: and he spake unto him, and he gave him a sign.
25 But Hezekiah rendered not again according to the benefit done unto him; for his heart was lifted up: therefore there was wrath upon him, and upon Judah and Jerusalem.
26 Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, both he and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the Lord came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah.
27 ¶ And Hezekiah had exceeding much riches and honour: and he made himself treasuries for silver, and for gold, and for precious stones, and for spices, and for shields, and for all manner of pleasant jewels;
28 Storehouses also for the increase of corn, and wine, and oil; and stalls for all manner of beasts, and cotes for flocks. (The survivors become rich indeed and Zion prospers).
29 Moreover he provided him cities, and possessions of flocks and herds in abundance: for God had given him substance very much.
30 This same Hezekiah also stopped the upper watercourse of Gihon, and brought it straight down to the west side of the city of David. And Hezekiah prospered in all his works.
31 ¶ Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to enquire of the wonder that was done in the land, God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart. (The rest of the Gentile world will marvel at this miracle).
32 ¶ Now the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and his goodness, behold, they are written in the vision of Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, and in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel.
33 And Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the chiefest of the sepulchres of the sons of David: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honour at his death. And Manasseh his son reigned in his stead

It's in the scriptures, so it must be true, but the point is that I don't need Gail Smith's dream--I can find it in the words of Isaiah or in the Old Testament.

Nice analysis PJ. We studied these chapters in Sunday School today but did not talk about the implications of future events.

[Nan]

There's that 2006 again. What the heck.

As an aside (sort of)... I think putting up visions/revelations from non-LDS leader sources makes people nervous. And ultimately I see this as a huge problem. Why are they nervous? What makes them uncomfortable? Why don't people just ignore the thread but rather choose to condemn others for going off on strange roads and finding uncertain (though interesting) things? I believe they are not confident in their own ability to spirtually discern. So... anything off the established line of authority is a real threat to them spiritually. They don't have the confidence to know if it is truth or not, so they put forth their umbrella condemnation of anything not out of Salt Lake, reviewed by the correlation committee and Ensign-ready. Wasn't it Brigham who said we embrace ALL truth, no matter the source. Some just don't have that ability, I guess. And furthermore, they do not desire it. They want to be led in all things, told what to believe and not worry about being responsible for their own spiritual growth on a personal level. They're good at getting in line, but if no one is there to lead, maybe not so good.

When I see people following other people and not the prophet, they are on strange paths. When I see people not doing what the prophet and apostles have asked us to do, but instead criticize them for not saying enough about latter day gadiantons you can bet it makes me nervous. Frankly, if we want to hear something different at general conference maybe we should all be following what they are asking us to do. They are having to tell us over and over the same things because we aren't listening. How is our personal study of the scriptures? How about prayer, going to the temple, helping the poor, holding Family Home Evening. What about not looking at porn. How many of you are being obedient to that? Are you paying your tithing and offerings? I personally think the brethren are telling us what we need to be doing. But as a people, we are ignoring it and the weakness on this forum is to go after dreams that can't be verified, revelation not from the prophet because it is more exciting to think about and takes less work than doing the things we have been asked to do.

[durangout]

There's that 2006 again. What the heck.

As an aside (sort of)... I think putting up visions/revelations from non-LDS leader sources makes people nervous. And ultimately I see this as a huge problem. Why are they nervous? What makes them uncomfortable? Why don't people just ignore the thread but rather choose to condemn others for going off on strange roads and finding uncertain (though interesting) things? I believe they are not confident in their own ability to spirtually discern. So... anything off the established line of authority is a real threat to them spiritually. They don't have the confidence to know if it is truth or not, so they put forth their umbrella condemnation of anything not out of Salt Lake, reviewed by the correlation committee and Ensign-ready. Wasn't it Brigham who said we embrace ALL truth, no matter the source. Some just don't have that ability, I guess. And furthermore, they do not desire it. They want to be led in all things, told what to believe and not worry about being responsible for their own spiritual growth on a personal level. They're good at getting in line, but if no one is there to lead, maybe not so good.

When I see people following other people and not the prophet, they are on strange paths. When I see people not doing what the prophet and apostles have asked us to do, but instead criticize them for not saying enough about latter day gadiantons you can bet it makes me nervous. Frankly, if we want to hear something different at general conference maybe we should all be following what they are asking us to do. They are having to tell us over and over the same things because we aren't listening. How is our personal study of the scriptures? How about prayer, going to the temple, helping the poor, holding Family Home Evening. What about not looking at porn. How many of you are being obedient to that? Are you paying your tithing and offerings? I personally think the brethren are telling us what we need to be doing. But as a people, we are ignoring it and the weakness on this forum is to go after dreams that can't be verified, revelation not from the prophet because it is more exciting to think about and takes less work than doing the things we have been asked to do.

Thank you!

[Raindrop]

When I see people following other people and not the prophet, they are on strange paths. When I see people not doing what the prophet and apostles have asked us to do, but instead criticize them for not saying enough about latter day gadiantons you can bet it makes me nervous. Frankly, if we want to hear something different at general conference maybe we should all be following what they are asking us to do. They are having to tell us over and over the same things because we aren't listening. How is our personal study of the scriptures? How about prayer, going to the temple, helping the poor, holding Family Home Evening. What about not looking at porn. How many of you are being obedient to that? Are you paying your tithing and offerings? I personally think the brethren are telling us what we need to be doing. But as a people, we are ignoring it and the weakness on this forum is to go after dreams that can't be verified, revelation not from the prophet because it is more exciting to think about and takes less work than doing the things we have been asked to do.

I don't know who you know from the forum or why you assume no one is "following the Prophet" or reading their scriptures. (I've read the BOM 4 times so far this year, but why should I care to tell you? I bet you haven't.) Yes, the brethren are telling us what we need to be doing... seeking a testimony of Jesus Christ. The Church AIDS us in that effort. And what do you consider "verified" revelation? Who are you waiting for to do the verifying? Boy, we'd better not hope for an EMP cuz we might just be cut off from our Ensign subscriptions for a while and not have GenConf on TV... what might the Saints look like after 6 months or a year of that? I guess we'd find out who stands where.

[hedgehog]

Joel 2: 28

But I follow the Prophet! Were he to ask me for all my preparations, he would get them!

Bob

That is a good guard rail to hold onto. Would you hand over all of your preparations in your greatest hour of need? That would be a test in type of Abraham.

Side note
In my modest exposure to church history there used to be a lot more of those sorts of tests. It was not always the Prophet. What if a Bishop or an uppity Elders quorum president you did not trust or care for asked for them. I would find that a harder decision to make.

[Original_Intent]

Yesterday at church I was thinking about preparedness and it came to my mind that giving it to the church may be the only loophole we have to not be considered hoarders - i.e. we donated it to the community, therefore it cannot be considered hoarding. I am not claiming it was inspiration, it was just a thought I had. (I was having a very difficult time feeling the spirit yesterday for some reason.)

[Raindrop]

Interesting scenario, OI. First, the call to give all your supplies to your local bishop "for redistribution to the needy" or what have you. Followed by the law where all "hoarders" are then stripped of their hoards.

[pjbrownie]

There's that 2006 again. What the heck.

As an aside (sort of)... I think putting up visions/revelations from non-LDS leader sources makes people nervous. And ultimately I see this as a huge problem. Why are they nervous? What makes them uncomfortable? Why don't people just ignore the thread but rather choose to condemn others for going off on strange roads and finding uncertain (though interesting) things? I believe they are not confident in their own ability to spirtually discern. So... anything off the established line of authority is a real threat to them spiritually. They don't have the confidence to know if it is truth or not, so they put forth their umbrella condemnation of anything not out of Salt Lake, reviewed by the correlation committee and Ensign-ready. Wasn't it Brigham who said we embrace ALL truth, no matter the source. Some just don't have that ability, I guess. And furthermore, they do not desire it. They want to be led in all things, told what to believe and not worry about being responsible for their own spiritual growth on a personal level. They're good at getting in line, but if no one is there to lead, maybe not so good.

When I see people following other people and not the prophet, they are on strange paths. When I see people not doing what the prophet and apostles have asked us to do, but instead criticize them for not saying enough about latter day gadiantons you can bet it makes me nervous. Frankly, if we want to hear something different at general conference maybe we should all be following what they are asking us to do. They are having to tell us over and over the same things because we aren't listening. How is our personal study of the scriptures? How about prayer, going to the temple, helping the poor, holding Family Home Evening. What about not looking at porn. How many of you are being obedient to that? Are you paying your tithing and offerings? I personally think the brethren are telling us what we need to be doing. But as a people, we are ignoring it and the weakness on this forum is to go after dreams that can't be verified, revelation not from the prophet because it is more exciting to think about and takes less work than doing the things we have been asked to do.

Nan, I understand your concern, but you can in no way implicate that people on this forum are not studying the words of the prophets and/or not reading their scriptures. I just showed how the dream mentioned correlates pretty closely with the Isaiah prophecies using Assyria as a type for the cleansing of Zion. I'm not the only one. True Mullenite likes to spend alot of time on modern dreamers--I welcome that on this forum--it adds some diversity. No Greater Love and myself like to use the scriptures and modern prophets to analyze the signs of the times. You need to take a deep breath and not be so judgmental.

[Nan]

I find it funny that you think I am judgmental. Especially with the judging that goes on here about "SHEEPLE" and how much some of the members here look down on those they say aren't "awake" or don't believe in the exact conspiracy they do. I will stand up for following the prophet. Personal revelation will not go against the counsel of the Prophet. I will stand against following others that are not the Prophet or Apostles instead of following the Prophet or Apostles.

[DOZ]

Thank you Pjbrownie! I could not agree more with you

[Rensai]

I find it funny that you think I am judgmental. Especially with the judging that goes on here about "SHEEPLE" and how much some of the members here look down on those they say aren't "awake" or don't believe in the exact conspiracy they do. I will stand up for following the prophet. Personal revelation will not go against the counsel of the Prophet. I will stand against following others that are not the Prophet or Apostles instead of following the Prophet or Apostles.

We all have our hot buttons and I think we all get judgemental at times. It seems to be a universal human weakness. Perhaps that is why the Lord has always stressed humility and charity towards others. My question is, why did this push your button? This vision has nothing to with going against the prophet or apostles. It is simply a vision someone claims to have had about a future battle. True or not, how does it go against the Prophet? It does not require anyone to do anything, let alone go against the prophets. I don't see how this warranted the accusations in your post.

[Squally]

Let us follow the spirit in these matters and not blanket views. We should all be worthy and able to recieve revelation and confirmations of the spirit. I believe in seeking things and learning truth. How ignorant to assume that no one else can recieve anything or share anything of God (even outside the church). I'll follow the spirit (a member of the Godhead, all wise, all knowing, perfect, all loving etc etc) above all else. If you follow the spirit perfectly you will not be lead astray. My testimony is bedrocked in the spirit, and everything I know (my testimony) has been confirmed through the spirit. I will trust the Prophet through the confirmations of the spirit. I will trust truth by the confirmation of the spirit, whereever I might find truth.
Trust in the Arm of God, test everything by the spirit of the Holy Ghost.

[hedgehog]

I also find it surprising how many of these dreams or visions overlap. I lend a little more weight to ones that happened a few years ago before all these started being consolidated like this on the internet. At this point someone could just take a list like Mullenite made embellish it call and call it their own.

Here is my core criteria as long as the "dreams or visions"

-dont contradict the scripture or official teachings


I also look for other affirming type vibes like:

- It has made them respect the our church leaders more and maybe even be more understanding of them now from better understanding the great pressures they are under.