Quote of the decade?

[bobhenstra]

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY? ... MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENIUM!


Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.


"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency .It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

Bob

[moonwhim]

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY? ... MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENIUM!


Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.


"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency .It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

Bob

Excellent quote.

[mchlwise]

I don't entirely agree with the quote.

It indicates that everyone who voted for Obama is some kind of fool (which I don't believe) and that his election is a reflection of the populace (which I DO believe, to a certain extent).

Sure, there are plenty of people in our country who "bought" every bit of what he was selling, and the number of people who did is appalling. BUT, there are others (myself included) who didn't believe that the other alternative was much if any better. Remember that Obama has only expanded the two wars that Bush started, and built on the bailout programs and Patriot Act which Bush pushed through, and continued the porous borders Bush left open, as you consider whether things would have been dramatically better with President McCain.

More than the voters who put him in office, I blame a system which has - for many years now - forced the country to choose between "terrible" and "worse", as I continue to wonder who is really behind these people and who is really in charge of this country.

[JerL]

...there are plenty of people in our country who "bought" every bit of what he was selling, and the number of people who did is appalling. BUT, there are others (myself included) who didn't believe that the other alternative was much if any better. Remember that Obama has only expanded the two wars that Bush started, and built on the bailout programs and Patriot Act which Bush pushed through, and continued the porous borders Bush left open, as you consider whether things would have been dramatically better with President McCain.

More than the voters who put him in office, I blame a system which has - for many years now - forced the country to choose between "terrible" and "worse", as I continue to wonder who is really behind these people and who is really in charge of this country.

Obama is a symptom of a greater problem in this country. The original quote got it right. That being said I could not bring myself to vote for McCain either, but I in no way could vote for Obama. I don't know about your ballot, but mine included many other candidates for President. I chose one of them and do not regret it one bit. Some say that is throwing away your vote, why is that? Is it because the vast majority of voters don't, won't, or can't vote their conscience? Again the Quote seems to be proven correct. There have always been good candidates in each election (Ross Perot and Ron Paul), but because of the perception of the voter whether influenced by the media or others, they are seen as weird, unelectable, radical etc., and thus seen as a wasted vote. So tell me how have all those electable mainstream candidates worked out so far?

Now Mr. Henstra, I would like the reference of who said it, when it was said and where, if at all possible.

[Original_Intent]

That is indeed an excellent quote and a lot of truth for one paragraph.

[Shimdidly]

I would point out as well that a choice between bad and worse is also a symptom of a depraved, ignorant electorate. Anyone that is compelled to vote for the lesser of two evils has bought into mainstream propaganda and is stuck in the left-right paradigm.

[ithink]

I don't entirely agree with the quote.

Then you also are a fool -- with my apologies for saying so.

[fps.sledge]

I don't entirely agree with the quote.

It indicates that everyone who voted for Obama is some kind of fool (which I don't believe) and that his election is a reflection of the populace (which I DO believe, to a certain extent).

That's not true. It does imply that SOME people are fools but not everyone. The quote does in fact fit in with true doctrine from what I've been reading and praying about in the Book of Mormon. What people are doing is electing a "King". The part of the quote I don't like is that it's specifying Obama, rather than simply the position of "President". People are wanting a president to fix problems for everyone. Most news we are exposed to (mainstream media) only exposes faults of the president. How often to they talk about a local Governor or someone alike? This is the problem. America is under this impression that electing a president will fix the world. It's not anyone's fault in particular, as much as it is the culture that we've flowed into.

As far as Obama in particular, some people are going to be voting for Obama for the wrong reasons. They are the fools. That is, if they're voting for Obama to "fix" this country or whatever. Expecting him to fulfill the position of a King, rather than the position of president. Then again, you can always argue about their level of understanding.

[ithink]

I would point out as well that a choice between bad and worse is also a symptom of a depraved, ignorant electorate. Anyone that is compelled to vote for the lesser of two evils has bought into mainstream propaganda and is stuck in the left-right paradigm.

But it's not just America. On this forum also, there are probably no more than a handful of people that understand what the real problem is and how to fix it. Some of the rest deny it when it is told to them, others couldn't accept it if they wanted to. I don't understand why this is, nor do I really care. The slate is due to be wiped clean, and I care not except that I not be wiped when it is. That is pretty good motivation for me. What's yours?

And my apologies to all those who feel I'm referring to them when I say they cannot understand, but blowing smoke should score no points with anyone interested in the truth.

[bobhenstra]

So why are you so concerned about fixing it when you know the slate is going to be "wiped clean" (your quote) thereby fixing the problem! What does it matter how?

Good thing we're prepared!

Bob

I don't know who made the quote, I'd like to take responsibility for it, but it was passed onto to me. Just a lot of truth in it, but the same truth was in the election of Bush.

[dennis]

Laws have no value except when they are administered in righteousness and justice , and they cannot be so administered if dishonest men occupy government offices. However it is not enough to choose good leaders. Citizens MUST follow true principles themselves. A righteous citizenry is the best safeguard to peace and happiness. For Zion to be established, the saints must forsake ALL EVIL. [Has anyone else noticed How the media of today replaced the word: Citizen with the word: CONSUMER?] Are we American citizens or consumers.? How about CONSUMING FOOLS?

[fps.sledge]

Well one problem that America, or any lasting civilization has is it's number of laws. Let's just say there were maybe 100,000 different laws in America 10 years ago. Well America was still functioning. Some laws lead us into catastrophe (and apparently a bad economy) but we still function. What if we stopped making laws in the last 10 years? Would we still be able to function.

I'm not saying that America has 100,000 laws, but it's taken over two centuries to get where we are. If there were 100,000, lets say in another century we obtain another 50,000 laws. That means there needs to me 50% more lawyers to help us fuction in society. Right? That may not be an exact statement, but I hope you are all coming to the conclusion I am. Many people want to put up more and more road signs and directions to "help" us on the roads. I can promise you more signs will not help me. I sure they won't really help anyone else, either. I've never heard anyone talk about how we aren't doing anything to get rid of road signs. Or rather, I've heard only few people talk about the need to rid ourselves of laws. We DO need to backtrack.

I'm writing this in regards to the phrase "wipe the slate". I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. It's not the best idea. There is certainly a better way to fixing problems. But wiping the slate may be a refreshment to America. Once quoted by Thomas Jefferson "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

[Chip45]

thought provoking quote and close to the truth, however, we did have a third choice, Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. We did not have to choose between just (the bad), Obama, or (the ugly) McCain, we coulda picked, (the good), Chuck Baldwin. Some few did so. We have no excuse.

[dennis]

The problem is much bigger than just those who supported Obama. WE have to include those who voted for Bush in the last election. they were fooled twice and also those who did not vote at all. And of course those who voted for McCain. Making a gran multitude of fools.

[p51-mustang]

I dont know that people are so much fools as they are ignorant of the truth. And why are they ignorant? Because they dont take the time to study ponder and pray on things political. The BOM of course gives us great detail and warning about these things but most do not catch it. When I start telling peopl about parallels in the BOM related to our day they just draw a blank stare.

[ithink]

So why are you so concerned about fixing it when you know the slate is going to be "wiped clean" (your quote) thereby fixing the problem! What does it matter how?

Good thing we're prepared!

Bob

I don't know who made the quote, I'd like to take responsibility for it, but it was passed onto to me. Just a lot of truth in it, but the same truth was in the election of Bush.

Did I say I was concerned? You say you're prepared, then you say you'll vote for Romney. You sir, are not prepared, and the reason is not because you aren't, it is because you say you are.

[oneClimbs]

Law is essential, but as the wise Darren noted, "to a holy people, there is only one law and one sin." that's right people, only one law is necessary. This fact is summed up by the spirit of another quote by a woman whose name I cannot recall: "when mores are sufficient, laws are unnecessary but when mores are insufficient, laws are unnenforcable". The number of laws we have increases in proportion to the standing of our mores or, really, virtue as a people. So using our laws that increase as rapidly as our deficits, both monitary and morally, as a guage, you can say that our state is quite awful indeed.

Now as to the original quote, it's both flawed and prophetic. The flaw is that it assumes that President Barry was elected by the citizens of America. All three branches of the US government are compartmentalized pawns of a global combination that we collectively failed to keep from growing to fruition. And like a neglected weed, it has fixed itself into a place of security in our garden to where the only solution is to save what's savable and burn the rest.

The prophetic aspect has to do with the idea that the problems in our country lie not with our laws and elected officials but with the citizens who allowed each blow of the axe to be laid to our roots. If you removed every corrupt combination and politician and fixed the laws overnight, you would not be fixing the problem, only covering the manifestation of the problem. The problem is all of us collectively. But the tares are growing among the wheat and the time will come when the great sieve will do the necessary dividing and Zion will be purified in the wilderness while the Lord cleanses his vineyard.

[bobhenstra]

Law is essential, but as the wise Darren noted, "to a holy people, there is only one law and one sin." that's right people, only one law is necessary. This fact is summed up by the spirit of another quote by a woman whose name I cannot recall: "when mores are sufficient, laws are unnecessary but when mores are insufficient, laws are unnenforcable". The number of laws we have increases in proportion to the standing of our mores or, really, virtue as a people. So using our laws that increase as rapidly as our deficits, both monitary and morally, as a guage, you can say that our state is quite awful indeed.

Now as to the original quote, it's both flawed and prophetic. The flaw is that it assumes that President Barry was elected by the citizens of America. All three branches of the US government are compartmentalized pawns of a global combination that we collectively failed to keep from growing to fruition. And like a neglected weed, it has fixed itself into a place of security in our garden to where the only solution is to save what's savable and burn the rest.

The prophetic aspect has to do with the idea that the problems in our country lie not with our laws and elected officials but with the citizens who allowed each blow of the axe to be laid to our roots. If you removed every corrupt combination and politician and fixed the laws overnight, you would not be fixing the problem, only covering the manifestation of the problem. The problem is all of us collectively. But the tares are growing among the wheat and the time will come when the great sieve will do the necessary dividing and Zion will be purified in the wilderness while the Lord cleanses his vineyard.

There ya go! Removing the bad guys won't do it, as a country, we have the leadership we deserve! It won't get better until "we the people" repent!

Bob