If you want to know how psychology is used by corporations and the US government to control the masses don't go to Goebbles -- go to the man that Goebbles went to: Edward Bernays. This documentary by BBC is probably the best that has been developed on propaganda and mind control:
Goebbles used the work "Propaganda" published in 1928 to create his machine. Bernays got his ideas from his uncle, Sigmund Freud, on how to really manipulate human behavior. If you don't understand these principles you cannot fully understand modern American society.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 30th, 2010, 11:24 am
by LoveIsTruth
Good one, Fiannan! I'll watch it...
Thanks.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 30th, 2010, 12:10 pm
by Jason
Fiannan wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:Propaganda - Lessons from History
If you want to know how psychology is used by corporations and the US government to control the masses don't go to Goebbles -- go to the man that Goebbles went to: Edward Bernays. This documentary by BBC is probably the best that has been developed on propaganda and mind control:
Goebbles used the work "Propaganda" published in 1928 to create his machine. Bernays got his ideas from his uncle, Sigmund Freud, on how to really manipulate human behavior. If you don't understand these principles you cannot fully understand modern American society.
Sigmund Freud was hogtied into the Tavistock Institute which has then paved the way for socio-technical instruments of the security agencies around the world.....and is still the leader!
Yes, and if you do not know the implications of Freud's work, you cannot understand the nature of modern western society. That is why I STRONGLY recommend the BBC documentary series.
Ok, I watched it. A lot of good information, but I didn't like their final conclusions.
Still educational. Thanks.
I particularly like how part 3 deals with how the whole sexual revolution and counterculture thing was far from being spontaneous. Of course, #4 honestly shows how emotions govern how people will vote. I am sure there will be people who will vote Republican this year because they perceive Obama taxing tanning beds as racist. I know, maybe not the biggest issue around, but it is in many people's minds.
You know, if the Democrats put the 10% tax on tanning beds to offset skin cancer costs (ignoring the fact that exposure to the sun reduces colin, breast and prostate cancer) then why not place a tax on...all films and TV programs made in Hollywood? The #1 factor associated with increases in childhood obesity is the amount of TV a child watches. The rate of STDs are probably higher with young people who watch a lot of TV as well -- since Hollywood entices people to watch with sex.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 9:23 am
by LoveIsTruth
Fiannan wrote:why not place a tax on...all films and TV programs made in Hollywood?
He is a bad role model. His goal is enslaving the world for the elites.
In Part 1 of the video I did like how Goebbels, the minister of propaganda of Nazi Germany was praising Roosevelt and his New Deal. Of course, these are fundamentally the same philosophies of collectivism and totalitarianism, the opposites of Freedom and Liberty, no wonder Goebbels liked it so much, it was what Nazis were doing as well!
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 12:32 pm
by dennis
This is from Joseph Goebbels:::"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from...consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the TRUTH is the MORTAL enemy of the LIE, and thus by extension the TRUTH becomes the greatest Enemy of the State" [or govermemt] To me this explains a lot. Like when I am explaining about the conspiracy, and someone says "Ya but what can we do about it, Nothing" The answer is Know the truth because the truth is the greatest enemy of the lie. If more people know the truth the liars have no power.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 1:06 pm
by dennis
If I remember right kissinger's spy name or code name is Bor. Definitely a supporter of the other side! I read some of what he says because he gives out clues as to what the combinations are plotting.For instance;;After planning and carring out some great castrophy like 911 or the great economic depression Number 2 we are presently in,,he then explains "It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from "this great evil" The one thing that every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this "senario" individual rights will be willing relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government" End quote Now I see a pattern in this. they cause a crisis. Then they present a solution, which is written before hand. their solution is always more power, money, and or control for them and less freedom for us. This is one way our freedoms are lost as per Ether 8. This is how we got Patriot Act Homeland Insecurity, Fed Reserve, so called financial reform, etc. and how we loose every other freedom we have lost.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 1:09 pm
by LoveIsTruth
dennis wrote:This is from Joseph Goebbels:::"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from...consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the TRUTH is the MORTAL enemy of the LIE, and thus by extension the TRUTH becomes the greatest Enemy of the State" [or govermemt] To me this explains a lot. Like when I am explaining about the conspiracy, and someone says "Ya but what can we do about it, Nothing" The answer is Know the truth because the truth is the greatest enemy of the lie. If more people know the truth the liars have no power.
Brilliant! The Truth shall make you free!
Also, Truth is the unconquerable opponent, you can never prevail against it, it will always come out in the end to your everlasting shame!
It is a horrible state to make the Truth your enemy, because you will lose as surely as God lives!
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 1:28 pm
by LoveIsTruth
dennis wrote:If I remember right kissinger's spy name or code name is Bor. Definitely a supporter of the other side! I read some of what he says because he gives out clues as to what the combinations are plotting.For instance;;After planning and carring out some great castrophy like 911 or the great economic depression Number 2 we are presently in,,he then explains "It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from "this great evil" The one thing that every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this "senario" individual rights will be willing relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government" End quote Now I see a pattern in this. they cause a crisis. Then they present a solution, which is written before hand. their solution is always more power, money, and or control for them and less freedom for us. This is one way our freedoms are lost
David Icke - PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION - Catchy Tune!
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 1:47 pm
by dennis
The great enemy of the Truth is very often Not the Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the MYTH, Persistent, Persuasive and unrealistic. JFK The truth cannot set people free, if it is never told. That is the essence of the american tragedy. [I dont have the author of that one.] Galileo "all truths are easy to understand once they are discovered. The point is to discover them." George Orwell said :in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution ary act. I guess we both just cant get enough of it {the Truth that is}gotta love It! Now for another tip from D Rockefeller " We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the new world order." My opinion :since they control the money, I think the major crisis will include among other things, a continuation of this great depression No. 2 we are presently in.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: July 31st, 2010, 2:29 pm
by LoveIsTruth
dennis wrote:The great enemy of the Truth is very often Not the Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the MYTH, Persistent, Persuasive and unrealistic. JFK The truth cannot set people free, if it is never told.
The MYTH is very carefully crafted and planted by those who committed the crime, therefore it is "a Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest." According to recent polls 75% percent do not believe the official JFK lie, and interestingly 75% do not believe the official 911 lie either.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: August 1st, 2010, 7:19 am
by britjas
This morning The Spirit prompted me to watch Fox News, and so I did. They were talking about DC being unprepared for a terrorist attack. These thoughts entered my mind in rapid succession.
What about the chemtrails we have been breathing for over a decade.
What about the toxins that we eat every day in our food such as aspartame, sucralose, high fructose corn syrup, and MSG?
What about the deliberate poisoning of the waters of the world in several places of the world by not only the oil, but by the dispersants that are killing the wildlife and soft-killing the populace.
My point is that we are under a constant barrage of propaganda. Every one of the things I talked about are modern acts of terrorism against we the people of the world. I simply can't watch Fox any more. I am fully awake to the awful situation we are facing, and can't stomach their propaganda any longer.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: August 1st, 2010, 7:31 am
by p51-mustang
LoveIsTruth wrote:
dennis wrote:The great enemy of the Truth is very often Not the Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the MYTH, Persistent, Persuasive and unrealistic. JFK The truth cannot set people free, if it is never told.
The MYTH is very carefully crafted and planted by those who committed the crime, therefore it is "a Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest." According to recent polls 75% percent do not believe the official JFK lie, and interestingly 75% do not believe the official 911 lie either.
When will the 25% on this forum wake up to the lie that is 9-11? They must love drinking the koolaid too much to put it down!
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: August 1st, 2010, 12:49 pm
by durangout
p51-mustang wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:
dennis wrote:The great enemy of the Truth is very often Not the Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the MYTH, Persistent, Persuasive and unrealistic. JFK The truth cannot set people free, if it is never told.
The MYTH is very carefully crafted and planted by those who committed the crime, therefore it is "a Lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest." According to recent polls 75% percent do not believe the official JFK lie, and interestingly 75% do not believe the official 911 lie either.
When will the 25% on this forum wake up to the lie that is 9-11? They must love drinking the koolaid too much to put it down!
Because the "evidence" that I'be seen on this site and others about 911 is well... let me just say weak. If you have some proof, I'd lvoe to see it. It's not that I don't think they WOULD do it; it's that I don't think they they COULD do it.
Please in all incerity list the strongest evidences that you know of.
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: August 1st, 2010, 3:36 pm
by LoveIsTruth
durangout wrote:Because the "evidence" that I'be seen on this site and others about 911 is well... let me just say weak. If you have some proof, I'd lvoe to see it. It's not that I don't think they WOULD do it; it's that I don't think they they COULD do it.
Please in all incerity list the strongest evidences that you know of.
The strongest evidence showing that the official story of 9/11 is false are the laws of physics that had to be suspended to make the official story true, plus eyewitness testimony of numerous firefighters and first responders.
Let's list the strongest evidence:
1) The two towers fell in under 10 seconds each, which happens to be the time of free fall for objects dropped from this height meeting no resistance except empty air, (hence the name "free fall"). It is physical impossibility for the upper floors of the building to fall through thousands of tons of structural steel, and steel-reinforced concrete as easily and as quickly as through empty air, unless explosives were used to remove lower floors before they had a chance to slow down the upper floors. So the Free Fall time of the towers is one of the strongest and indisputable evidence that explosives were used.
2) Particles on nano-thermite and thermate where found in abundance in the dust of the ruin of the towers. Nano-thermite and thermate are used by the military to cut through structural steel as a hot knife through butter.
3) Pools of molten steel were found in the basements of all three towers that fell on that day. And according to the official accounts, there was nothing in those three towers to produce fire hot enough to liquify steel, not even close! Nano-Thermite and thermate, on the other hand, do produce molten iron as a byproduct, and are hot enough not only to liquify, but to vaporize steel!
Richard Gage on FOX 26 Fresno, CA Summarizes Some of the Key Evidence
4) Multiple explosion were witnessed in the subbasements of, and throughout the towers BEFORE and after the airplane impact at the top.
William Rodriguez received Congressional Medal of Honor from Bush himself for saving multiple people out of the rubble of the towers. Listen to his eyewitness testimony:
William Rodriguez Eyewitness explosions in the SUB-BASEMENTS BEFORE and after airplane impact.
Add to that all the other evidence about stand down orders given to the air force, plus everything else.
The bottom line is that the evidence that exist in public domain, constitute an IRREFUTABLE mountain of evidence that the official story is a boldfaced lie, and that 9-11 was an inside job.
Here is a very good summary of the best scientific evidence. After watching this any honest person will have to accept the truth. How The Towers Fell - Richard Gage, 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2753292874#
First the burden of proof rests with the side:: the airplane knocked the building down ....there is NO evidence at all . There were two airplanes. and Three buildings imploded. There was never any explanation given for the downing of the third building. What brought the Third Building down? Dah! A much better Question is "Why did they take the third building down?? What is the answer?
Re: Propaganda - Lessons from History
Posted: August 1st, 2010, 6:11 pm
by LoveIsTruth
dennis wrote:First the burden of proof rests with the side:: the airplane knocked the building down ....there is NO evidence at all . There were two airplanes. and Three buildings imploded. There was never any explanation given for the downing of the third building. What brought the Third Building down? Dah! A much better Question is "Why did they take the third building down?? What is the answer?
durangout wrote:Because the "evidence" that I'be seen on this site and others about 911 is well... let me just say weak. If you have some proof, I'd lvoe to see it. It's not that I don't think they WOULD do it; it's that I don't think they they COULD do it.
Please in all incerity list the strongest evidences that you know of.
There are hundreds if not thousands of pieces of evidence against the official 911 story. I don't understand what you and other's with a similar attitude are looking for. Ask yourself what evidence is enough? Do you require a signed confession? This goes way beyond any reasonable level of skepticism. Well beyond what is required by a court of law. We are talking about a very serious crime here with a deliberate cover-up. We are lucky we have as much evidence as we do.
2 Corinthians 13:1 wrote:
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
With regards to 911, we have several witnesses that say a plane did NOT hit the pentagon.
We have several people who were inside the buildings willing to testify that they heard and felt explosions below them before the planes hit above.
We have witnesses about the black boxes being found, even though the government claims that for the first time ever, they were not found.
We have scientists willing to give expert testimony who have conducted the experiments to prove the jet fuel could never melt the steel beams.
All told, we have hundreds of eye-witness accounts against the official 911 story. For the most part, these are good reliable citizens and there is no reason to doubt their testimony.
That would be enough for any fair court of law. It's beyond a prosecutors fondest dreams to have so many witnesses. Our justice system routinely relies on a witness or two to establish a case, yet with 911 no criminal investigation has ever been conducted. In fact, just the opposite. The crime scene was cleaned up and purged extremely fast. Why? Who has the power to prevent an investigation?? The answer is pretty obvious to me; clearly at least some high level government officials are involved in this event.
You can either believe that all the witnesses with no reason whatsoever, somehow all decided to lie and all their lies more or less fit together, or you can believe that the official story is a lie. It's that simple.
