'Circles of Quiet'

[natasha]

Thank you, ChelC....because my eyes were beginning to cross!!!

[ChildWise]

What rings true and might tilt my ear is if/when '7000 seeds' are planted from lds source with no controlling strings attached to wave the lds flag. . ( as in the lds left hand not telling the lds right hand it's good deed for the day) .....'7000 seeds' to acquire 7 acres, in advance of the global storm on the horizon to plant 'heirloom' strawberries, plantains, corn beans, potatoes..... for hungry tummies, the core of the Gospel, Salvation Army style perhaps with a passionate Latin cultural flavor...

How would it possibly tilt your ear? You wouldn't know about it. I've personally witnessed countless situations in my life of anonymous service... from people of all religions who seek to serve their God.


Like the Buddhist monk who visited my home recently who proved the 'Sermon on the Mount' far better than any Christian I've encountered. Will tilt my ear to hear two people walking closer in friendship regardless of the chasmly divided Jesus claims that seem un-reconcilable........so can we drop verbal volley & do the stuff (Isa 58) & keep my lips sealed shut when my human tendancies surface it's ugly head........rather score higher I must with closet prayers and tears based in Gen 6:6 grief broken heart of The Father....not Adam btw Joseph....

I'm sorry you are offended by the way the LDS run things. I'm sorry if our missionaries have offended you... we have no paid clergy and I assure you their hearts are in the right place.


I've met more lds missionary 'right' placed hearts, more than the other kind ChelC No matter though, there are doctrinal chasms and Jesus 'defns' that seem irreconcilable...I am more 'offended' by the Angel of Light who perpetrates highly intricate heresies.....and HE, the one from Revelation who says: "be Hot or Cold cause lukewarm I'll spit out of my mouth" is He not hotly displeased with those 'in the house', especially those outside lds parameters who have mishandled the anointing that never vanished from the earth to reappear now through late day gatekeepers.thus this mishandling/failure gave/gives way to 'gold pills' and 'special goggles' to fill the gap with great dilusion.

Perhaps you feel slighted as a missionary there and this is turning into a competition for souls?


If you knew me you would know that 'a competition for souls' is not a perhaps. No...Chelc, 'HIS' is the Harvest. ...... In this instance I went for haircut and the shop was full, so I ended up at a fruit stand to enjoy culture and passionate locals....I was not aware of the Ward up the road.

I have no idea of anything other than that you like to come to this LDS board and release a few insults and then leave again.


I 'left' the lds board and all other blogs, not just 'ldsfreedom' etc, for months. I come because I believe Truth calls, calls us all to greater levels of humility and submission...... Above all, deceptive 'cults' enrages the prophetic tendencies because of their heavy use of Christian, Judaic and Biblical terms, totally changing proven, original meanings/defns to apply them to their personal lives AND public thrust, while claiming superiority at the same time....(this is my perspective, my opinion based on my view of Scriptures and personal experience with Faith and Knowing God /Truth )

You certainly come and plant seeds of your faith here, but when asked direct questions by missionaries there, you see those questions as clever and cloaked.


'Innocently deceived', not intentionally 'clever and cloaked' would be more accurate ChelC.......so then, is the 'warfare' not with human white shirted ones nor with those outside the enlightened supreme authorized lds revelation, but rather is not the battle with the Enemy of all humans, Satan? Ephesian 6: [/color]

Where you look for offense, you are sure to find it, so I'm sure our church will continue to let you down. The gospel won't let you down though, and I hope you'll be able to see it through the imperfections of our people.

'The Gospel' has never let anyone down. Human pride downs and continue to isolate and exclude.

[ndjili]

Ah more snythesizing the eastern philosophy with Christianity. i.e. New Age, New Thought and Metaphysics. All religions of Satan. Remember Satans plan involved forced righteousness and not free agency. Kind of reminds me of this crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC8RP09WmL0

I counter with this

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

[Epistemology]

your missing the point ChildWise. Nothing else matters but what God asks us to do. I can quote and reference scriptures about not killing all day long, but if God asks Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, he does it. End of story. If God wants a temple built and wants it in a certain manner, then that's what is done. Your quote that the temple of God is not bricks is like me quoting thou shalt not kill and then providing counter points to that commandment in other scriptures.

[ChildWise]

Ah more snythesizing the eastern philosophy with Christianity. i.e. New Age, New Thought and Metaphysics. All religions of Satan. Remember Satans plan involved forced righteousness and not free agency. Kind of reminds me of this crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC8RP09WmL0


Interesting, first time I’ve ever heard of Antichrist Maitreya.
Totally agree with you 'ndjili.' this youtube link/theme is synthesizing deceptive ‘c--p’.......You are 'reminded' in error though, o falta conocimiento to arrive at a solid accurate opinion/understanding of 'Circles of Quiet' theme/s .


I counter with this

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

“Jesus, by the exercise of his agency, rose to be the second member of the Godhead. Lucifer, by the exercise of his agency, sank to Hades.” Quote from lds link above

I sit on the counter with you next to pleasant fire with cup of coffee and cigar: This statement above 'rings'. HE rose yes, but Was/Is He not always the second member of the Trinity/Godhead?

[ChildWise]

your missing the point ChildWise. Nothing else matters but what God asks us to do. I can quote and reference scriptures about not killing all day long, but if God asks Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, he does it. End of story.
If God wants a temple built and wants it in a certain manner, then that's what is done. Your quote that the temple of God is not bricks is like me quoting thou shalt not kill and then providing counter points to that commandment in other scriptures.

Was not the end of story that Issac was not executed on the woodpile? Did God know in advance that Issac would not be sacrificed, that an innocent substitute was to be in the bushes? Was not Ab's experience also a test in obedience and trust of Loving Father even though Ab perhaps quite likely knew what HE was asking seemed out of HIS character?......."regardless I'll obey, I trust you" is Ab's response.

May we all go deeper and keep up caring for the poor motivated by pure love only, as the recent 'ndjili''s lds text link exhorts.

So might we turn it closer to home now? What of our current & upcoming tests of patience and hopefully choice of obedience on the path were Pride, Power and Pleasures are tamed/redeemed by Humility, Submission and Sanctification' all through the Blood of Messiah Jesus Christ?




Clairvaux Manifesto, bottom of 103

(quote)

It wasn’t enough that Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. While they waited (not-so-patiently) in the desert, in-between Egypt and their Promised Land, Moses ascended 7,500 feet up a stark mountainside to meet face-to-face with God (for forty days), where he received the creed of creeds. Pointing towards Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, those ten commands given to Moses were clear, credible, and creedal statements, written by the very finger of God (Ex 31:18; Dt 9:10).

In circles of quiet and abbeys of prayer and work, we realize doxology leads to orthodoxy leads to orthopraxy: the process of doxopraxy. Doxa means glory; Ortho means straight; Praxis means practice. Whoever gives God glory will be set straight. Beyond clarity, credibility, and creed, Moses was a straightforward worshiper.

(unquote)

[ChildWise]

Are too many billions spent on countless wards and temples surrounded by high walls and chain-linked barbed wire fences while innocent wet cheeks huddle in damp corners as hungry tummies grumble on?

Just for fun. Point out one example of a temple surrounded by a chain-linked barbwire fence.

Refer to photo below.

Second, you're pre-supposing that the Church spending money on Temples and Wards doesn't actually produce a higher rate of charitable out-going spending on the needy. The LDS Church spends a tremendous amount of money of humanitarian efforts around the world directly, on top of all the local volunteering, service missionaries and aid packages the Church is responsible for the production of.

[ChildWise]

Clearer view

[Hyrcanus]

That looks like a chapel as opposed to a temple. Where is that at?

[ChildWise]

That looks like a chapel as opposed to a temple. Where is that at?

Snapped these photos today while waiting for son's haircut at new barber shop we found near our house.

Chapels. Wards. All look like prisons here...... while neighbors (depending on neighborhood) live in shacks without barbed wire. Where? Tegucigalpa.

Fancy expensive 'wood hay and stubble' temple coming soon by airport.

[Hyrcanus]

That looks like a chapel as opposed to a temple. Where is that at?

Snapped these photos today while waiting for son's haircut at new barber shop we found near our house.

Chapels. Wards. All look like prisons here...... while neighbors (depending on neighborhood) live in shacks without barbed wire. Where? Tegucigalpa.

Fancy expensive 'wood hay and stubble' temple coming soon by airport.

I asked if you had an example of a temple surrounded by barb wire. Do you have one?

Again, you still haven't addressed the broader issue that building chapels and temples may be more beneficial to those living near by then simply handing out the equivalent value in cash and direct services. You can think of them in some sense as an endowment (pun intended) that might be given to a charity or school. A sum of perpetual value that isn't spent directly, but proceeds it's use generates can be used to fund many more projects over a period of time then just pouring out the original sum ever could have produced.

You're going to need to think carefully through your arguments before you argue against God's ordained purposes.

[NoGreaterLove]

These places you talk about Childwise house meetings in which I have participated in for my entire life. For your information, all of these meetings address the needs of the community and how to best address them with charitable means. So your philosophy is ungrounded. More charity comes from one of these buildings than all of your community efforts combined.

[ChelC]

Childwise - why don't you go ask why the barbed wire is there and get back to us. Or you could spend less time tearing down our religion and more time living your own.

[ChildWise]

These places you talk about Childwise house meetings in which I have participated in for my entire life. For your information, all of these meetings address the needs of the community and how to best address them with charitable means. So your philosophy is ungrounded. More charity comes from one of these buildings than all of your community efforts combined.

Not denied are the many works offered to/for the community via such places.


In the Marriott hotel here there’s a large statue of ‘Micheal’ (‘Adam’ lie from Lucifer) with his spear in Lucifer’s head.

'M' is not The Adam and Jesus is/was not same level ‘brother.’ Adam did not impregnate Mary in the way natural to all men that have been born…

Is this correct ldsers? : I understand from sources like 'Doctrine and Covenants' and 'The Pearl' that founding prophets 'without' prophetic & doctrinal error, LDS fathers, Young, Smith...believed God was/is always a resurrected man who attained the highest degree within the Celestial Kingdom from a previous world. Until he actually creates a new world and peoples it, he is called a “Michael.” He then condescends to re assume mortality by coming down in the form of an “Adam,” to start the world off with physical beings. His spiritual children will inhabit their bodies.

For example: The God of this world was a “Michael” (which is the name of an office or position). In the pre-mortal world, he and his plural wives procreated, and produced many spiritual offspring. Then, he came down to earth and temporarily assumed the role of Adam. According to Brigham Young, he brought Eve one of his Celestial wives with him. Together, they procreated and start producing physical bodies, which their spiritual children will come down and inhabit. (“Adam,” as is “Eve,” is also a title for this function.) When he and Eve were through physically procreating, they partook of the Tree of Life, shed their mortality and reassumed their immortality and went back to the celestial, pre-mortal world. Centuries later, he came to Mary and impregnated her. His (God’s) first born spirit child in the pre-mortal world, entered the physical body of Mary’s baby.

Heresy or not ?

The Blood of ‘Lamb/Lion’ Messiah is THE cornerstone upon all righteousness is freely given, received, walked out.

As I snapped the photos on a public street a Latin blooded English speaking Bishop walked out of his house across the street behind me wanted to know what/why I was talking pictures for!! Told him for a lds Freedom Forum. I could comment on hidden motivations mixed in there behind the eyes with nice sounding words on top of "I know' with a burning that Joseph is true and Micheal is Adam" that prerecorded sounded from the verbal play button....... along with countless other claims that makes smiling Lucifer Prince of the Power of the Air grin at his intricately weaved web to confuse God’s sons away from Savior's Blood covenant: Gift, faith, works...

'Good' works is not the point irreconcilable.

“Away from me I never knew you” will sadly be uttered to many.

God Loves you all. Go deeper into the Mystery. Stop having to understand and explain God away as if you were God, little god's he calls you/us yes. " Satan, listen, your time is short!"

Alas , says I to myself, did not HE say such great delusions would come to deceive if it were possible the very elect? So on your way, spend time wisely for the gift of time sands run low down Hour Glass Man http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =2&t=13597 mixed with blood and water, priceless, so spend it prudently.......while LDS 'hold's the keys', superior way with honest good intentions.... as mounting temples twomanabound...The Superior Way is paved through Faith in Blood of Christ as life is walked out in Love, obedience.....

Continue as you do, build temples by the I-5's and airports of public life and in the End God of the universe will settle all with in Mercy & Justice based under The Blood or not.

In the mean time some prisoners escape the great delusion with active UTAH Bishop's approval.

It is time now to talk/type less about doctrine and live philosophy best emanating from, & bathed in the likes of Isa 58, John 14-17, James 1:29.

As you were or metamorphic action transpire or not.[/size]

[ChildWise]

Childwise - why don't you go ask why the barbed wire is there and get back to us. Or you could spend less time tearing down our religion and more time living your own.

Hi Chocolate Lover , (Gheradehli, Toblerone, Dark, White....?

The barbed wire is there due to the great chasm of social status.

Without the prison wires, precious things would 'disappear,' but experience says things would not disappear if Gringos did not come here with their 'agendas' and 'correct superior doctrine' stolen from existing Truth sadly & greatly mishandled by many if not most 'Christians', (still, authority never disappeared to reappear lately, this is un-debatable regardless of the visions, Joe goggles, burning bosoms real experiences, but rather walked as Jesus & disciples walked in sandals with no place to lay one's head....

WHS Temples are not Gods' plan for today with masonic style secrets and roots,.... diverse forms of same rooted abbey example fits The Heart-Beat higher. If you need a 'Thus says the Lord' then there it is.

Time to go watch a movie:
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[ChildWise]

I asked if you had an example of a temple surrounded by barb wire. Do you have one?

I'll let you know when the first temple monument is erected.....but maybe not.... for as ChelC the wise one (no pun offered, just spoken or written as C appears to me) uttered, I should spend precious time with prudence & be careful where one lays their pearls.

[NoGreaterLove]

Childwise
I would suggest getting back to the basics of the atonement of Christ: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost by those having authority. Once you have established the truth of these four principles, then you will begin to understand the rest.
The bottom line is either Joseph Smith is a prophet of God or he is not. If he is, then all he did under the direction of Christ himself is true. If he is not then it is all false. It is you responsibility to come to the truth, not mine to prove it to you. The truth only comes from God, not some man. Get it from him, just like Joseph Smith did and just like every other faithful Latter Day Saint does.

[Hyrcanus]

As you were or metamorphic action transpire.

You've apparently been reading anti-mormon websites and have believed what they've written without reading/studying it yourself. This is apparent because while you're doggedly assaulting our faith, it is clear you haven't read the source material itself. I appreciate that you felt it necessary to go on the offensive after you backed yourself into a corner without your thoughtless ranting about building chapels and temples.

If you have honest questions about our faith, feel free to ask. If you just want to flail about spouting the things you've read online, realize that you're poisoning your hope for success of ministering to us by demonstrating you've spent next to no time understanding what we actually believe.

[ChildWise]

nogreaterlove wrote:

The bottom line is either Joseph Smith is a prophet of God or he is not. If he is, then all he did under the direction of Christ himself is true. If he is not then it is all false. It is you responsibility to come to the truth, not mine to prove it to you. The truth only comes from God, not some man. Get it from HIM, just like Joseph Smith did and just like every other faithful Latter Day Saint does.




Hyrcanus wrote:

This is apparent because while you're doggedly assaulting our faith, it is clear you haven't read the source material itself.





Source material example of truth or heresy:

Did they get this from HIM?

Brigham Young said,

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit,"

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

Bruce McConkie stated:

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547).

"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).


Who today in LDS (you for example) believe/adhere to these examples of source material from founding prophets mostly?

[ChildWise]

[quote="NoGreaterLove"]Childwise
I would suggest getting back to the basics of the atonement of Christ: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost by those having authority. Once you have established the truth of these four principles, then you will begin to understand the rest.

All of these items you've mentioned are included in my personal experience along with many other Saints throughout history.....so much more to say but restraint is better.....better my flesh not speak and I shut up.

[Hyrcanus]

nogreaterlove wrote:

The bottom line is either Joseph Smith is a prophet of God or he is not. If he is, then all he did under the direction of Christ himself is true. If he is not then it is all false. It is you responsibility to come to the truth, not mine to prove it to you. The truth only comes from God, not some man. Get it from HIM, just like Joseph Smith did and just like every other faithful Latter Day Saint does.




Hyrcanus wrote:

This is apparent because while you're doggedly assaulting our faith, it is clear you haven't read the source material itself.





Source material example of truth or heresy:

Did they get this from HIM?

Brigham Young said,

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit,"

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

Bruce McConkie stated:

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547).

"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).


Who today in LDS (you for example) believe/adhere to these examples of source material from founding prophets mostly?

I appreciate that you can copy and paste quotes, but again, it is clear you haven't read the source material. You're citing snippets and quotes of our beliefs without any understanding of the broader context they fit into. Ironically your ignorant fervor was common among early Christian persecution at the hand of Roman pagans 2,000 years ago.

On the off chance you're capable of changing your tactic and care to actually understand our position. You can re-read the first few chapters of Genesis to confirm our relationship to God. He created Adam in his likeness and image, and later Adam creates Seth (his flesh and blood child) in his likeness and image. What reason do we have to believe that Genesis doesn't mean exactly what it says here?

[ChildWise]

I appreciate that you can copy and paste quotes, but again, it is clear you haven't read the source material. You're citing snippets and quotes of our beliefs without any understanding of the broader context they fit into. Ironically your ignorant fervor was common among early Christian persecution at the hand of Roman pagans 2,000 years ago.

On the off chance you're capable of changing your tactic and care to actually understand our position. You can re-read the first few chapters of Genesis to confirm our relationship to God. He created Adam in his likeness and image, and later Adam creates Seth (his flesh and blood child) in his likeness and image. What reason do we have to believe that Genesis doesn't mean exactly what it says here?[/quote]



Genesis 6:6 Grief. Broken Heart of Father.


Hi 'H',

My wife's family are LDS. Generations..

My friend in the HN abbey, all of his family is LDS. 5 years ago he quietly renounced all to do with the lds faith though still is close to his family. They respect him and look to him for council, prayer advice, etc. Unlike me he 'shut up' and testifies by action and service.

As for my personality, it is of the excitable and prophetic type. On a daily basis I deal with street gangs-gunhandlers, police of all types, prostitutes, those under the direct influence demonic strongholds, etc.

My anger is not so much pointed at lds humans, but pointed at Lucifer/Satan/and lukewarm Christians outside lds circles.
Please forgive me when I lash out or 'dig' in a way God would not approve of nor would do Himself......It's just, the attacking started when Satan through men (JFS) took all the elements of God and His Word and turned them upside down claiming ultimate authority. LDS started the fight if you will (“so don't receive in your mind and thank god white shirted young ‘Elder’ missionary -- who won't give me his first name--- that you are being ‘persecuted’ by me and my words for the sake of THE Gospel….you have NO idea what real persecution is trust me…. ”....)....see there I go again H ........but there is really no fight for it is His to make known Truth, and for little old me to do and serve in my real face to face world that lies for the most part outside internet relationships.

Prior to my severe leg break experience a couple years ago (broke under a Viargo 535 Yamaha due to pride) where I was literally laid up in this chair for 5 months, I did not visit any web sites or forums of any sort. Many challenges afoot these day. Time to trust deeper.

Even my wife has told me repeated me in the last few days that I should spend time more wisely for she has noted me here typing on the Freedom Forum.

Hey, if you ever make it to Honduras, you know how to reach me. I won't attack you or your faith in person. I love cigars with good wine or a fizzy drink and soaking in my homemade outdoor steam room and jacuzzi by the river.

‘H’, would you like to receive our most recent missions newsletter? It is for friends. Confidential. Would need a direct email for that.

Lorne.

[NoGreaterLove]

Thanks for the more human and honest response Childwise. I would suggest you alter your tactics a little on this forum if you want to remain though. LDS bashing or bashing our prophets will get you banned in a heartbeat. Sincere educated discussions without name calling or bashing will get you further. Go ahead, try to convince me that my Heavenly Father has not spoken to me through the Holy Ghost and witnessed to me that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. I welcome it, but not out of hate, but out of love. Keep it civilized and honest and we can talk all you want.

[ChildWise]

Thanks for the more human and honest response Childwise. I would suggest you alter your tactics a little on this forum if you want to remain though. LDS bashing or bashing our prophets will get you banned in a heartbeat. Sincere educated discussions without name calling or bashing will get you further. Go ahead, try to convince me that my Heavenly Father has not spoken to me through the Holy Ghost and witnessed to me that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. I welcome it, but not out of hate, but out of love. Keep it civilized and honest and we can talk all you want.

H, here's a few good ole boys from my hometown St John's Newfoundland. “It’s the ‘End of the World’ as we know and I feel fine” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OENjixZd_Oo At the end they are walking towards a house on Cabot st my dad sold a few years ago .



These are from a couple I've met.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn8VxUktrYo&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=HRMjkJG ... re=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raJVcoO44ak


People yet to meet:

Phil Keaggy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8864424672#


Celtic woman http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=faKFcfy ... re=related


‘Cat Stevens’ ‘Yusuf Islam’ http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Fy_mytE ... re=related

[AngelPalmoni]

I just finished reading the part of the book that was free... It's a shame he wants money for the whole book. I watched a few videos. I like the guy. I could probably learn a lot from him and I would really enjoy a conversation with him. I am glad to see he tries to follow the spirit as that is what matters. Hope God continues to use him to help people... as long as he doesn't get to puffed up.