Americans Speak 2010 - Video Survey

[OK MMX]

Americans Speak 2010 ~ PRIMER

Click on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvigp7XcbdU

[fps.sledge]

It's not hard to find people that don't know the answers to some of these questions.

I will say that the financial/economical struggle the country is facing is probably motivating people to learn how to restore our freedoms more than any other single issue. Many freedoms are being eliminated. They only affect particular groups of people. The economy just about affects everyone.

[Jason]

It's not hard to find people that don't know the answers to some of these questions.

I will say that the financial/economical struggle the country is facing is probably motivating people to learn how to restore our freedoms more than any other single issue. Many freedoms are being eliminated. They only affect particular groups of people. The economy just about affects everyone.

Ahh but you point out that economics move people more than anything else.....and the video above points out the degree of ignorance.

So in tough economic times (Deflation - declining dollars and increasing debt loads).....will the people beg for socialism (money out of others pockets)....or cut off the hand that feeds them???? Not to mention gross wickedness (selfishness) that covers the land....

The reality is the money supply is contracting and will continue to contract. The federal government with access to the federal reserve with access to the printing press will gain more and more power as deflation progresses. Everyone will beg for more and more handouts.

I see a few business leaders (some tea party folks) stepping up to the plate realizing that we can't spend our way to success....but most if not all of the ones I've talked to fail to take into account the inherent monetary design (money created by debt) for a complete monetary deflationary collapse. So that's fine....cut spending.....that just plays right into their hands too!

I haven't seen anyone try to cut the head off the beast.....and the reality is that will take divine intervention!

In terms of strategy....the best one (imo - fwiw) is the counsel we've been given - food storage, water, get/stay out of debt, cash for rainy day, essentials....and focus on production (food, farm, garden, machinery & equipment, etc.).....and stay close to the Spirit - magnify your callings, HT, missionary work, temple work, etc.

[fps.sledge]

I see what you're saying. You've raised a good point.

My brother said something the other day that went along with it a little bit. He said "From our perspective, we should be liberals/socialists. We're poor. We're living hand-to-mouth. From our perspective, the gov't taking from the rich and giving to us poor is a great idea. I know morally that's an incorrect philosphy, so I don't follow it. If I didn't understand some basic concepts of business (he runs a small business) then I might be one of those people that supports socialist ideals."

From my perspective, I've seen some "libertarian" economics promoted more in the mainstream media. I'm not saying it's succeeding, I've saying I'm seeing it more. The principle of a free market seems to be a principle that's more successful that other principles of freedom.

[Jason]

I see what you're saying. You've raised a good point.

My brother said something the other day that went along with it a little bit. He said "From our perspective, we should be liberals/socialists. We're poor. We're living hand-to-mouth. From our perspective, the gov't taking from the rich and giving to us poor is a great idea. I know morally that's an incorrect philosphy, so I don't follow it. If I didn't understand some basic concepts of business (he runs a small business) then I might be one of those people that supports socialist ideals."

From my perspective, I've seen some "libertarian" economics promoted more in the mainstream media. I'm not saying it's succeeding, I've saying I'm seeing it more. The principle of a free market seems to be a principle that's more successful that other principles of freedom.

Yes there are certainly some dividing points that are getting sharper with the economic pain.....but will that result in success or just divide the people further? Arizona's immigration law for example?

Its so so easy to divide this group of people on this forum.....and that's with people of same faith, similar ideology, etc etc etc....

We need unity and purpose if we are ever to pull off a Captain Moroni moment - and that requires vision, dedication, and most likely blood (sacrifice or selflessness).....and I don't see that happening in today's mostly wicked society.

[fps.sledge]

We need unity and purpose if we are ever to pull off a Captain Moroni moment - and that requires vision, dedication, and most likely blood (sacrifice or selflessness).....and I don't see that happening in today's mostly wicked society.

Well I sure hope it doesn't come down to blood. I will concur with the statement on sacrifice, though. My civil rights that have been violated are not worth anything to anyone. It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight the gov't at times. The gov't has millions at their disposal, and experienced, proven attorneys who's single duty is to prosecute citizens. They're experienced. It's hard to find a civil rights attorney who will do something pro-bono, (no costs unless they win). All they care about is money. They might claim to be a patriot, but they aren't. So many experienced, knowledgable attorney's aren't willing to fight to gov't regarding civil rights. If you pay them, they will. But patriotism isn't the motivation, money is. It's very unfortunate. So yes, people won't even make any sacrifices for liberty. There are the few, many the bulk don't really care or have the resources to do anything about it.

[OK MMX]

I am curious to hear peoples' opinions about where this video survey was shot (filmed). Anyone care to speculate about locations, etc.?

[Jason]

We need unity and purpose if we are ever to pull off a Captain Moroni moment - and that requires vision, dedication, and most likely blood (sacrifice or selflessness).....and I don't see that happening in today's mostly wicked society.

Well I sure hope it doesn't come down to blood. I will concur with the statement on sacrifice, though. My civil rights that have been violated are not worth anything to anyone. It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight the gov't at times. The gov't has millions at their disposal, and experienced, proven attorneys who's single duty is to prosecute citizens. They're experienced. It's hard to find a civil rights attorney who will do something pro-bono, (no costs unless they win). All they care about is money. They might claim to be a patriot, but they aren't. So many experienced, knowledgable attorney's aren't willing to fight to gov't regarding civil rights. If you pay them, they will. But patriotism isn't the motivation, money is. It's very unfortunate. So yes, people won't even make any sacrifices for liberty. There are the few, many the bulk don't really care or have the resources to do anything about it.

....is it realistic and fair to lay all the financial burden at the foot of a civil rights lawyer? They have to make a living too.

That's the point.....we are crippled financially and it will only get worse as time goes on. We are also crippled via the media (although alternative is making a serious dent - until they turn the internet off).....and virtually everything we do and say is recorded in a computer somewhere for analysis and action. Ultimately, we are crippled internally as you point out by a majority of the people who don't care and want only what they perceive to be in their best interest - screw the neighbor.

The devil has the upper hand at the moment.....that said, his house is built on the sand. Socialism never works. Control never works. Wickedness never was happiness. imo - we just need to be patient and prepare until the time is right.

[tmac]

....is it realistic and fair to lay all the financial burden at the foot of a civil rights lawyer? They have to make a living too.

That's the point.....we are crippled financially and it will only get worse as time goes on. We are also crippled via the media (although alternative is making a serious dent - until they turn the internet off).....and virtually everything we do and say is recorded in a computer somewhere for analysis and action. Ultimately, we are crippled internally as you point out by a majority of the people who don't care and want only what they perceive to be in their best interest - screw the neighbor.

The devil has the upper hand at the moment.....that said, his house is built on the sand. Socialism never works. Control never works. Wickedness never was happiness. imo - we just need to be patient and prepare until the time is right.

Jason, as usual, you're right on the money . . . on all counts (at least on this issue).

And you're right about civil rights lawyers too. Although the legal profession is -- especially private civil practice -- is driven almost entirely by greed, there are a few attorney who try to stick their necks out to help others, mostly as a matter of principle, without having money be the primary driving force. When they do, their door is beat down, and everyone wants them to do everything for nothing. It becomes completely overwhelming. Believe me, I'm not speculating or citing hearsay here. A good lawyer could work his fingers to the bone and starve both himself and his family completely to death trying to address all the injustices that exist. The problems go much deeper than that, and it's way beyond the capacity of any one lawyer to fix. Our legal system is just a microcosm of essentially all the other conditions that exist in our country at this point.

I am curious to hear peoples' opinions about where this video survey was shot (filmed). Anyone care to speculate about locations, etc.?

Not sure on location(s), but I hear a twang here and there in people's voices that I'm trying to put a finger on. I'm guessing Colorado.

[Jason]

Yeah the voices were indeed interesting! I'd venture Lake Powell for a couple of the shots.....

[tmac]

Yeah, they kinda do look like Powell don't they?

[blakwatch]

Some of the lake shots definitely look like Lake Powell, but I can't place the others.

[happy@life]

I am curious to hear peoples' opinions about where this video survey was shot (filmed). Anyone care to speculate about locations, etc.?

I observed Hurricane shirts, and a Utah licence plate!

[creator]

I am curious to hear peoples' opinions about where this video survey was shot (filmed). Anyone care to speculate about locations, etc.?

Location, I have no idea.

The voice of the interviewer sounds familiar to me.

[ready2prepare]

I haven't seen anyone try to cut the head off the beast
.....and the reality is that will take divine intervention!

I vote for divine intervention. And
when I'm not voting, I'll be praying!

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

[Toto]

I haven't seen anyone try to cut the head off the beast.....and the reality is that will take divine intervention!

A couple of relevant quotes here…

DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE CHURCH Volume V, Ch. XVI
[JOSEPH SMITH IN THE NAUVOO CITY COUNCIL, FEB. 4, 1843.]
GOLD AND SILVER ALONE MADE LEGAL TENDER IN NAUVOO.

In reply to some of the councilors, who thought it impolitic to stop circulating bank notes as currency at once, I replied, I would use a figure, and talk like some foolish fathers do to their children. If you want to kill a serpent, don't cut off his head, for fear he will bite you; but cut off his tail, piece by piece, and perhaps you won't get bit. It is the same with this bill. I say, if paper currency is an evil, put it down at once.
When councilors get up here, I want them to speak sense. Great God, where is common sense and reason? Is there none on the earth? Why have the canker remaining any longer to sap our life? If you get hold of a $5 bill, you can get nothing with it:. There is no one who dares to touch it, fearing it to be a counterfeit, or the note of a broken bank.

I wish you had my soul long enough to know how good it feels., I say it is expedient when you strike at an enemy, to strike the most deadly blow possible.

Councilor Hyde asked me what an editor should do. I told him, advertise in your next paper to your agents to send you gold and silver, as paper will no longer be taken as pay.


The ordinance regulating currency in the city passed by a unanimous vote, as follows:--

ORDINANCE.

Sec. 1. Be it ordained by the City Council of the city of Nauvoo, that, from and after the passage of this bill, gold and silver coin only can be received a lawful tender in payment of city taxes and of debts, and also of fines imposed under the ordinances of the city.
Sec. 2. That city scrip shall not hereafter be emitted as monied currency; provided, however, that nothing in this bill shall be so construed as to prevent the redemption of previous emissions.
Sec. 3. That any person passing counterfeit gold, or silver, or copper coin, or counterfeit or spurious paper currency, or aiding or abetting therein, or holding the same with intent to pass it, knowing it to be such, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, or to imprisonment or hard labor in the city, for a term not exceeding fourteen years, or all these penalties at the discretion of the court.
Sec. 4. That any person passing a paper currency, or aiding and abetting therein, or holding the same with intent to pass it within the bounds of this city corporation, shall be liable to a fine of one dollar for every dollar thus offered or passed, to be recovered as in action of debt; one-half of said fine to be paid to the complainant, the other half to the said corporation.
JOSEPH SMITH, Mayor.

And…

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith from spiritual faith to great courage from courage to liberty from liberty to abundance from abundance to selfishness from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy from apathy to dependency from dependency back to bondage."
-- Alexander Fraser Tytler (1742-1813)

[Toto]

Utah Code -- Title 07 -- Chapter 03 -- Banks

No bank shall issue any bill, note, or certificate intended to circulate as money.

7-3-22. Certificates and evidences of deposit binding -- Issuance of items intended to circulate as money prohibited.
All certificates or evidences of deposit made by the proper officers of any bank bind the bank with or without its corporate seal affixed.

Enacted by Chapter 16, 1981 General Session

I guess we can just toss out the 12th Article of Faith, along with the Constitutions.