Jeb Bush to run for president in 2012?

[p51-mustang]

Are the people of this nation dumb enough to vote in another Bush as president?

1. Jeb Bush is actually likely the "best" of any of the Bushes, thus I'm not at all against his running.

2. Would you have rather had Clinton in there or John Kerry or Al Gore? You need to learn to count your blessings buddy. Yes, both Bush's made a couple of mistakes, but they were certainly way better than anything else we had access to.

3. I don't think he will be running this time around. If he ever does choose to run, he knows he needs to give the country some time. There is simply too much Bush hatred at this time.

We need Romney & Allen West the next time around. They are the best and most qualified to both fix things and to do what needs to be done in this world we live in.
And stop the bearing false witness of Romney. They only "actual" thing wrong with him is he too often speaks with little emotion, thus too polished, he needs to be more natural acting and in his expressions.

Yes, Romneys hair and smile are perfect. Now if he can just speak more like an actor we will have a good president. We dont need any substance or character, just good acting. Nice....

Bush, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and millions are displaced and hundreds of thousands killed. Oops! he made a mistake. No biggie. Bush looked the other way while the economy was looted by the bankers. Oops, another mistake! No biggie though right Lee? Have you looked into the Shawn Hannity Forum Lee? I think they would agree with your outlook over there.

[leeuniverse]

Yes, Romneys hair and smile are perfect. Now if he can just speak more like an actor we will have a good president. We dont need any substance or character, just good acting. Nice....

tisk tisk.... Romeny is a lot more "substance" clearly than you.

Bush, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and millions are displaced and hundreds of thousands killed. Oops! he made a mistake. No biggie.

No, they weren't mistakes.... Fanatical Islam and Iran are planing on destroying the world, thus the job needed to be done. Those who made mistakes are the liberals who haven't allowed us to WIN the wars, and just leaving Iraq to the wolves without helping them rebuild and kill all the bad guys like we did in Germany, Japan, & South Korea. Don't blame Bush for the problems of the world, blame liberals and fanatical islam.

Bush looked the other way while the economy was looted by the bankers. Oops, another mistake! No biggie though right Lee?

Actually if you knew FACTS instead of some other persons regurgitations such as Alex Jones or liberals you would know that during the Bush years Bush and the GOP several times in several ways tried to stop this problem from occuring, but the liberals/dems stopped it. See Barney Frank over on Youtube for a few examples. So, get a clue!

Have you looked into the Shawn Hannity Forum Lee? I think they would agree with your outlook over there.

Indeed, because such people are more informed, and not subject to conspiracy theory's, nor are subject to bearing false witness of others by taking some facts and telling great lies such as with Abu Ghraib, torture, war is evil, Bush is Hitler, etc.

[p51-mustang]

Yes, Romneys hair and smile are perfect. Now if he can just speak more like an actor we will have a good president. We dont need any substance or character, just good acting. Nice....

tisk tisk.... Romeny is a lot more "substance" clearly than you.

Bush, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and millions are displaced and hundreds of thousands killed. Oops! he made a mistake. No biggie.

No, they weren't mistakes.... Fanatical Islam and Iran are planing on destroying the world, thus the job needed to be done. Those who made mistakes are the liberals who haven't allowed us to WIN the wars, and just leaving Iraq to the wolves without helping them rebuild and kill all the bad guys like we did in Germany, Japan, & South Korea. Don't blame Bush for the problems of the world, blame liberals and fanatical islam.

Bush looked the other way while the economy was looted by the bankers. Oops, another mistake! No biggie though right Lee?

Actually if you knew FACTS instead of some other persons regurgitations such as Alex Jones or liberals you would know that during the Bush years Bush and the GOP several times in several ways tried to stop this problem from occuring, but the liberals/dems stopped it. See Barney Frank over on Youtube for a few examples. So, get a clue!

Have you looked into the Shawn Hannity Forum Lee? I think they would agree with your outlook over there.

Indeed, because such people are more informed, and not subject to conspiracy theory's, nor are subject to bearing false witness of others by taking some facts and telling great lies such as with Abu Ghraib, torture, war is evil, Bush is Hitler, etc.

Not really sure where to start with this Lee. Its obvious you are a neo-con. Do you know what the new world order is? Do you know that David Rockefeller and the CFR are promoting the NWO? Did you know that Dick Cheney is a former director of the CFR? Did you know that a typical vice president has a staff of about 11, but Dick Cheney had a staff of 600? (He Had 600 on his staff because he was really the president and Bush a figurehead) Did you know that Pres. Bush was secretly orchestrating a "north American union" and promoting open borders with mexico during a time that we are supposedly fighting a global war on terror? Do you realize that there is no provision in the constitution for an NAU or a NWO and anyone promoting such is in violation of his oath of office? The NAU brings us closer to global govt and undermines our nations soverignty but thats ok right?

Do you know the many warnings over the years given by the brethren concerning secret combinations and the threat of global govt'? Do you know what the BOM has to say about wars, what causes them and who stands to gain? Did you know that every war is started by a secret combination? Did you know that the BOM clearly and plainly teaches that wars are ony justified when faught in self defense and on ones own soil? Did you know that wars ARE EVIL? (apparently not!)

From L Tom Perry 2005
"Each time we read the book we should probably ask ourselves: “Why did these writers choose these particular stories or events to include in the record? What value are they for us today? Among the lessons we learn from the Book of Mormon are the cause and effect of war and under what conditions it is justified. It tells of evils and dangers of secret combinations, which are built up to get power and gain over the people."

President Hinckley expands on this theme:
"The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras."

Notice he is describing govts' here in America that oppress the people with taxes and lies and then lie to them to get them into war?

Did you know Hinckley pinpointed the perps of 9-11 back in 2002?

Quote: "We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation."

The terrorists do not "woo" the people with sophistry, nor do they even know what a mormon is let alone work to bring down the church. Gadiantons were not outsiders, but people working for gain through murder internally in nephite society who eventually gained control of the nephite govt' The same thing is happening to us. If the terrorists are a secret combination, then why does everyone know about it????

The whole neo-con purview is getting really old. Stop drinking the Repub koolaid and realize what is happening! sheesh!!!

[p51-mustang]

No, they weren't mistakes.... Fanatical Islam and Iran are planing on destroying the world, thus the job needed to be done. Those who made mistakes are the liberals who haven't allowed us to WIN the wars, and just leaving Iraq to the wolves without helping them rebuild and kill all the bad guys like we did in Germany, Japan, & South Korea. Don't blame Bush for the problems of the world, blame liberals and fanatical islam.

Lee, in case you havent noticed the world is on the verge of a financial collapse that was caused by wealthy power hungry folks right here in America. The moslems had little to nothing to do with it. The war on terror is a distraction cant you see that? I blame Bush and his masters, dems and their masters and the fanatical islams and the people that stir them up (the CIA), so in any case all the problems come squarely back to Americans. I do not fear some baghwan in a turbin riding a donkey, I do fear our govt' who can opppress me with taxes, force me or my children into terrible wars, or who can decieve people like yourself with hollow promises!

Like Benson said, "Americans are destroying America"

The caption at the top of Hinckleys oft quoted by war mongering saints from 2002 Titled "the times in which we live" says:

"Our safety lies in repentance. Our strength comes of obedience to the commandments of God."

[leeuniverse]

Not really sure where to start with this Lee. Its obvious you are a neo-con. Do you know what the new world order is? Do you know that David Rockefeller and the CFR are promoting the NWO? Did you know that Dick Cheney is a former director of the CFR? Did you know that a typical vice president has a staff of about 11, but Dick Cheney had a staff of 600? (He Had 600 on his staff because he was really the president and Bush a figurehead) Did you know that Pres. Bush was secretly orchestrating a "north American union" and promoting open borders with mexico during a time that we are supposedly fighting a global war on terror? Do you realize that there is no provision in the constitution for an NAU or a NWO and anyone promoting such is in violation of his oath of office? The NAU brings us closer to global govt and undermines our nations soverignty but thats ok right?

Do you know the many warnings over the years given by the brethren concerning secret combinations and the threat of global govt'? Do you know what the BOM has to say about wars, what causes them and who stands to gain? Did you know that every war is started by a secret combination? Did you know that the BOM clearly and plainly teaches that wars are ony justified when faught in self defense and on ones own soil? Did you know that wars ARE EVIL? (apparently not!)

From L Tom Perry 2005
"Each time we read the book we should probably ask ourselves: “Why did these writers choose these particular stories or events to include in the record? What value are they for us today? Among the lessons we learn from the Book of Mormon are the cause and effect of war and under what conditions it is justified. It tells of evils and dangers of secret combinations, which are built up to get power and gain over the people."

President Hinckley expands on this theme:
"The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras."

Notice he is describing govts' here in America that oppress the people with taxes and lies and then lie to them to get them into war?

Did you know Hinckley pinpointed the perps of 9-11 back in 2002?

Quote: "We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation."

The terrorists do not "woo" the people with sophistry, nor do they even know what a mormon is let alone work to bring down the church. Gadiantons were not outsiders, but people working for gain through murder internally in nephite society who eventually gained control of the nephite govt' The same thing is happening to us. If the terrorists are a secret combination, then why does everyone know about it????

The whole neo-con purview is getting really old. Stop drinking the Repub koolaid and realize what is happening! sheesh!!!

Boy, you SO pervert President Hinckley's words..... EVERYONE knew him to be talking of Fanatical Islam.
If you don't think Fanatical Islam does everything listed, then you are a fool. Tell us, what "murders" have American leaders or American people done against American Judges, leaders, or people, etc. In contrast, Fanatical Islam does just that.

Anyway, repent buddy.... You have taken out of context and perverted a Prophets words for YOUR OWN ideology, rather than allowing the words and context to speak for themselves. Yes, you can "stretch" certain things in America to fit the description, especially with liberals, but He was talking about fanatical Islam. Ask ANY LDS Scholar, which I by the way am one. I've been combating Anti-mormonism for 20 years and know basically EVERYTHING about Mormonism. So please.... You are no different than anti-mormons or liberals, by perverting facts and truth for your own degrading agenda. Shame on you!

[moonwhim]

Not really sure where to start with this Lee. Its obvious you are a neo-con. Do you know what the new world order is? Do you know that David Rockefeller and the CFR are promoting the NWO? Did you know that Dick Cheney is a former director of the CFR? Did you know that a typical vice president has a staff of about 11, but Dick Cheney had a staff of 600? (He Had 600 on his staff because he was really the president and Bush a figurehead) Did you know that Pres. Bush was secretly orchestrating a "north American union" and promoting open borders with mexico during a time that we are supposedly fighting a global war on terror? Do you realize that there is no provision in the constitution for an NAU or a NWO and anyone promoting such is in violation of his oath of office? The NAU brings us closer to global govt and undermines our nations soverignty but thats ok right?

Do you know the many warnings over the years given by the brethren concerning secret combinations and the threat of global govt'? Do you know what the BOM has to say about wars, what causes them and who stands to gain? Did you know that every war is started by a secret combination? Did you know that the BOM clearly and plainly teaches that wars are ony justified when faught in self defense and on ones own soil? Did you know that wars ARE EVIL? (apparently not!)

From L Tom Perry 2005
"Each time we read the book we should probably ask ourselves: “Why did these writers choose these particular stories or events to include in the record? What value are they for us today? Among the lessons we learn from the Book of Mormon are the cause and effect of war and under what conditions it is justified. It tells of evils and dangers of secret combinations, which are built up to get power and gain over the people."

President Hinckley expands on this theme:
"The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras."

Notice he is describing govts' here in America that oppress the people with taxes and lies and then lie to them to get them into war?

Did you know Hinckley pinpointed the perps of 9-11 back in 2002?

Quote: "We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation."

The terrorists do not "woo" the people with sophistry, nor do they even know what a mormon is let alone work to bring down the church. Gadiantons were not outsiders, but people working for gain through murder internally in nephite society who eventually gained control of the nephite govt' The same thing is happening to us. If the terrorists are a secret combination, then why does everyone know about it????

The whole neo-con purview is getting really old. Stop drinking the Repub koolaid and realize what is happening! sheesh!!!

Boy, you SO pervert President Hinckley's words..... EVERYONE knew him to be talking of Fanatical Islam.
If you don't think Fanatical Islam does everything listed, then you are a fool. Tell us, what "murders" have American leaders or American people done against American Judges, leaders, or people, etc. In contrast, Fanatical Islam does just that.

Anyway, repent buddy.... You have taken out of context and perverted a Prophets words for YOUR OWN ideology, rather than allowing the words and context to speak for themselves. Yes, you can "stretch" certain things in America to fit the description, especially with liberals, but He was talking about fanatical Islam. Ask ANY LDS Scholar, which I by the way am one. I've been combating Anti-mormonism for 20 years and know basically EVERYTHING about Mormonism. So please.... You are no different than anti-mormons or liberals, by perverting facts and truth for your own degrading agenda. Shame on you!

Well, leeuniverse, calling people fools because they don't believe like you and then claiming that everyone believes like you do.....well leeuniverse, I certainly don't feel the spirit in such utterances, you are just slaming people in the face with your words.

You say you know what the Prophet means....well try this one for me, I need your inspiration: Pres Benson said in General Conference in the fall of 1988 in his talk "I Testify", "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every ssegment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted that ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. (see Ether 8:18-25)." What does your inspiration say that this means?

[p51-mustang]

Not really sure where to start with this Lee. Its obvious you are a neo-con. Do you know what the new world order is? Do you know that David Rockefeller and the CFR are promoting the NWO? Did you know that Dick Cheney is a former director of the CFR? Did you know that a typical vice president has a staff of about 11, but Dick Cheney had a staff of 600? (He Had 600 on his staff because he was really the president and Bush a figurehead) Did you know that Pres. Bush was secretly orchestrating a "north American union" and promoting open borders with mexico during a time that we are supposedly fighting a global war on terror? Do you realize that there is no provision in the constitution for an NAU or a NWO and anyone promoting such is in violation of his oath of office? The NAU brings us closer to global govt and undermines our nations soverignty but thats ok right?

Do you know the many warnings over the years given by the brethren concerning secret combinations and the threat of global govt'? Do you know what the BOM has to say about wars, what causes them and who stands to gain? Did you know that every war is started by a secret combination? Did you know that the BOM clearly and plainly teaches that wars are ony justified when faught in self defense and on ones own soil? Did you know that wars ARE EVIL? (apparently not!)

From L Tom Perry 2005
"Each time we read the book we should probably ask ourselves: “Why did these writers choose these particular stories or events to include in the record? What value are they for us today? Among the lessons we learn from the Book of Mormon are the cause and effect of war and under what conditions it is justified. It tells of evils and dangers of secret combinations, which are built up to get power and gain over the people."

President Hinckley expands on this theme:
"The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras."

Notice he is describing govts' here in America that oppress the people with taxes and lies and then lie to them to get them into war?

Did you know Hinckley pinpointed the perps of 9-11 back in 2002?

Quote: "We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation."

The terrorists do not "woo" the people with sophistry, nor do they even know what a mormon is let alone work to bring down the church. Gadiantons were not outsiders, but people working for gain through murder internally in nephite society who eventually gained control of the nephite govt' The same thing is happening to us. If the terrorists are a secret combination, then why does everyone know about it????

The whole neo-con purview is getting really old. Stop drinking the Repub koolaid and realize what is happening! sheesh!!!

Boy, you SO pervert President Hinckley's words..... EVERYONE knew him to be talking of Fanatical Islam.
If you don't think Fanatical Islam does everything listed, then you are a fool. Tell us, what "murders" have American leaders or American people done against American Judges, leaders, or people, etc. In contrast, Fanatical Islam does just that.

Anyway, repent buddy.... You have taken out of context and perverted a Prophets words for YOUR OWN ideology, rather than allowing the words and context to speak for themselves. Yes, you can "stretch" certain things in America to fit the description, especially with liberals, but He was talking about fanatical Islam. Ask ANY LDS Scholar, which I by the way am one. I've been combating Anti-mormonism for 20 years and know basically EVERYTHING about Mormonism. So please.... You are no different than anti-mormons or liberals, by perverting facts and truth for your own degrading agenda. Shame on you!

Well, leeuniverse, calling people fools because they don't believe like you and then claiming that everyone believes like you do.....well leeuniverse, I certainly don't feel the spirit in such utterances, you are just slaming people in the face with your words.

You say you know what the Prophet means....well try this one for me, I need your inspiration: Pres Benson said in General Conference in the fall of 1988 in his talk "I Testify", "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every ssegment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted that ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. (see Ether 8:18-25)." What does your inspiration say that this means?

Moonwhim, I can answer your question, but lets hear from leeuniverse first to see what the verdict is. I think he is called Leeuniverse because he is the center of everything and the universe rotates around him! haha

[p51-mustang]

LeeU, are you aware that the Savior in 3rd nephi 20 and 21 identifies America as the most wicked of all nations? He also states that before he comes again the "secret works of darkness must be destroyed?" The Savior tells us that "great are the words of Isaiah". Did you know that Isaiah foretells the downfall and cleansing of this nation? The Lord says that when he cleanses America that the nation he uses to cleanse it will be "a rod of indignation against a hipocritical nation". It would seem that the Savior agrees with what I told you earlierbut I am supposed to believe you in all your scholarship. I am not aware of any scriptures or the Savior saying that the arabs are the ones that need to repent. It's you and I since we have the greater light and knowledge, not the skinnies from the middle east.

I noticed you did not address any of my questions in my previous post. Since you are a scholar please enlighten us on the questions I asked you about and explain to me how these things (NWO etc) are good since they were promoted by your neo-con buddies. I really want to hear what your take is on these things. Are they conspiracy theorys? No, they are provable facts! So please enlighten us dummies who cant see the truth.

[moonwhim]

I hope that leeuniverse answers my question to him in my post above. P-51 I know you can answer it, thanks for giving leeu the chance, I hope he bites.