LDS Freedom Forum

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:Your gross generalization gives you away and eliminates any credibility you may have had. There are many religions in the Mideast and they most certainly do not agree on a great many points.

You tripped over AN opinion and condemn an entire people for it. Care for them to return the favor you Neo Nazi?

Hate to break the news to you it's not a opinion it is a well documented fact. I never called muslims any names, your the one that introduced that here.

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:I can easily conclude that you are a neo nazi, because you are a christian American, and we know they are all neo nazis.

Let alone the fact that you actually advocate our mass murder "over there."

Your assumtions are incredible. What makes you thing that I am in favor of the war in Iraq? Oh by the way I've been against it from the begining. Even thought at the request of my country I served over there.

LoveChrist wrote:A little bit of Comparison





Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin [Al-QUR'aN Surah:4:48]


Ex. 20: 3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


Ex. 34: 14
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


Lev. 26: 1
1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Isa. 43: 11.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13: 4.
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Moslems believe that there is only ONE God. And that he is the only one that we should worship, just as we believe.

The similarities are awesome.

Sorry to disagree with you but last time I checked.
WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. Not only that, we belive that we have the potential to become gods some day. That would sent them balistic.

investigator wrote:

jbalm wrote:

Nice to see that you folks like the enemy better than your own government.

Nice to see that you don't realize that the some of the government, as well as some of the Muslims, are the enemy.

Enemy identification must not be your forte.

If you are interested in nothing more that parroting Republican Party platitudes, then http://www.hannity.com/ might be more to your liking. They, like you, seem intent on fomenting blind hatred when none need exist.

I have never heard one republican ever mention shirk. I am not fomenting hate nor do I hate muslims. I am just relating facts that I feel are pertinet to understanding what muslims belive and why radical muslims want to kill you. I think hanity is an idiot if you care to know. I deal with radical Islam every day. I know they are the enemy.

In principle you do not surrender freedom to the threat of loosing freedom. Why allow it to be take from within?

If a child had a bully at school to deal with should he let the teacher take his money and freedom so that the bully cant?

investigator wrote:

LoveChrist wrote:A little bit of Comparison





Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin [Al-QUR'aN Surah:4:48]


Ex. 20: 3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


Ex. 34: 14
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


Lev. 26: 1
1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Isa. 43: 11.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13: 4.
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Moslems believe that there is only ONE God. And that he is the only one that we should worship, just as we believe.

The similarities are awesome.

Sorry to disagree with you but last time I checked.
WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. Not only that, we belive that we have the potential to become gods some day. That would sent them balistic.

Yes, we believe in the Godhead, HOWEVER, Allah is the Eternal Father in their mind.

And who is Jesus' God?


John 20: 17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So, they do not know that they need a Savior, they only know one member of the Godhead.

Investigator wrote:

What makes you thing that I am in favor of the war in Iraq?

Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/in the US etc..., I made no distinction, but then neither did you when you wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Maybe you Mormons should be a little more appreciative of your governments efforts to protect you from this enemy.

So you accuse us of not understanding and supporting our governments efforts but then tell us that you don't either?
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Hate to break the news to you it's not a opinion it is a well documented fact.

A well documented fact that all Muslims hate Mormons and will try to kill us all because we believe in a prophet after Mohammad?

Except that we have all documented that in our own personal experiences that has not been the case. Your assertions are therefore preposterous.

We are monitoring this forum with plans of a FISA in a few weeks. Very Happy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_In ... llance_Act

Sorry, the little smiley guy didn't translate.

Well, well, well...seems we may indeed have an investigator. Happens to farmers on the http://www.nonais.org website, too.

Over there, one such 'investigator' even posted a biological threat to the New England states when the Vermont Legislature refused to be bullied by USDA into forcing farmers to Premise Register their private property. The farmer whose site it is knows the technology well enough to have followed the 'terrorist' right into his lair at USDA Fort Collins, CO. He posted all that information for the world to see.

Of course, our USDA Patriot was only doing his job so nothing came of it although the FBI was contacted along with everyone's Congressional representatives. I think he was 'reprimanded', whatever that means.

Anyway, WELCOME ABOARD, Investigator!

What do you know about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Would you like a copy of The Book of Mormon? You can leave a mailing address on my PM. It doesn't need to be a 'physical address'; a PO Box will work.

You can really get up to speed on this website if you simply take the time to read it and pray about it. Any one of us will be very happy to answer any questions you may have.

Good points Charity. The Jews believe the exact same thing as the Muslims in that respect, are they out to get us? Should we be protected from them by Investigator and his brothers in arms or pens or laptops or whatever?

wikipedia -

The Act was amended by the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001, primarily to include terrorism on behalf of groups that are not specifically backed by a foreign government.

buffalo_girl wrote:wikipedia -

The Act was amended by the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001, primarily to include terrorism on behalf of groups that are not specifically backed by a foreign government.

Does that mean what I think it means?

Groups that are supposedly terrorists, yet have no ties to terrorist groups? Or foreign governments I guess.....

I didn't like what that brought to mind.

Investigator is obviously a neonazi government mole parroting the mainstream media for his own interests.

I've also lived in Saudi Arabia for 8 years and have met hundreds of muslims. NONE OF WHICH HATED ME OR MY FAMILY FOR MY RELIGION. And close muslim friends even knew that I was LDS and gues what?.....THEY ADMIRED MY FAITH; THEY DIDNT HATE!!!

Why are you hating, Investigator? I can say the same HATE propaganda about Judaism, Taoism, Hinduism, Catholics, Buddhists, JW's, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Spanish, Polish, Australians, Africans, British, Indians, Czechs, Turkish, Swedish, Norwegians, Danish, Germans, Canadians, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexican, and even Americans.

Using your same ideology of HATE and STEREOTYPING ALL MUSLIMS, I can say the same thing about Christians. Should we not hate Christians because of the KKK and their hatred towards all non-white people? Should we send in an ARMY OF 100,000 (+100,000 private contractors) TO ROUND UP AND KILL ALL KLANSMEN TO RID AMERICA OF THESE TERRORISTS??? With your thinking, I don't see why we shouldn't, because THERE IS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF KLANS MEMBERS AMONG CHRISTIANS THAN MUSLIM EXTREMISTS AMONG MUSLIMS. You are simplyl picking out the bad apples among the Muslims and STEREOTYPING THEM ALL.

Didn't you know that is the same mentality that Hitler had? He hated the Jews. You hate the Muslims. Whether you admit it or not, what you spew is called HATE.

And I did check out your HATE WEBSITE of the SMALL ISOLATED GROUP OF MUSLIMS that think Christians should be eliminated. But why should I look at that when I can simply look at a KKK or Nazi website? I'm not scared of Muslims because they are NOT a threat to America as the propagandists and mainstream media parrots are brainwashing you with.

Do you know who IS A THREAT TO THE U.S.? Communist CHINA and RUSSIA and the U.N. If you don't think or know that they are the BIGGEST THREAT TO AMERICA, you need to do some research and turn off "FAUX" TV. Start your research by reading books/articles by ex-government officials such as J. Edgar Hoover (Former FBI Director 1924-72 ), Ezra Taft Benson (former U.S. Secretary of Agriculture 1953–61, and J. Reuben Clark (former attorney in the Dept of State, Undersecretary of State for president Calvin Coolidge, and ambassador to Mexico). They all know who the REAL threat to America is as seen in all of their writings and guess what they mention about muslims? NOTHING.

"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies and debts and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." – James Madison, 1795

"If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest." – Thomas Jefferson, 1791

I think this thread was started by a person who is disturbed at our concern about and distrust of the US government. There are many people who cannot understand or accept the evidence that elements of the US FedGov are succeding in maneuvering the USA into a regional union, with intent to creating an eventual global union. But don't take it from me.

In his book “Memoirs”, published in 2002, David Rockefeller, Sr. wrote the following:
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States...it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)

"A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, in a Council on Foreign Relations speech, 4/22/97, as reported in the Sept 1999 McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, stated:
"Clearly we cannot meet the challenges of the new millennium with an instrument designed for the very different circumstances of the middle of the twentieth century. Make no mistake about it, the anticipated reforms will erode national sovereignty, infringe on personal liberties, and lead the world into a system of global governance."

That ought to be enough for now.

Does the forum record IP address? If hes not behind an anonymous proxy we might be able to get a better idea who this investigator is.
He might be government or he might just be a stirrer.
Or perhaps you would like to introduce yourself in the appropriate section of this forum...

Investigator you are in the Navy?