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The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 2:20 pm
by Col. Flagg
http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/w ... ese_8_jobs
Post-recession job creation is coming, the experts say. Unfortunately, many of these jobs will pay less than $10 an hour. Yeah, it's an honest day's work, but if it's not enough to live on, much less raise a family and maintain a home, what's the point?
Using data from the Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, MSNBC rounded up the lowest-paying jobs in the nation. What they all have in common is that they're relatively unskilled, accept people without a college (or even high school) diploma and only require a bit of on-the-job training. Without further ado, the professions that almost guarantee you'll live below the poverty line:
1. Food preparers and servers, including fast food workers.
This field, highly valued by consumers, is expected to grow 10 percent by 2020. Too bad it pays an average of $8.71 an hour, or $18,000 a year — not enough to cross the poverty line if you've got kids. What makes it worse is that food service is the fourth most popular profession in the country with 2.7 million employees. We've all got to eat; it's unfortunate that our servers have to apply for food stamps to do so.
2. Dishwashers.
Did you have any idea that there are 500,000 people in America who make their living washing dishes, earning an average of $8.81 per hour? Me neither. Florida has the most and pays the least.
3. Cashiers.
Despite the innovations in self-serve checkout machines, this is the second most popular job in the country with 3.3 million employees, coming in just behind retail work. Cashiers earn about $9.15 an hour, almost always in part-time jobs without benefits.
4. Hosts and hostesses.
A lot of the same duties, but even less money than waiters and waitresses, $9.23 an hour compared to $9.80.
5. Amusement park attendants.
You would want someone operating heavy machinery where your life is literally hanging by a nylon strap to be paid a decent wage, right? Sorry, amusement park workers make less than $10 an hour; just $8.90 in Florida, the home of Disney World. It's a small wages world, after all.
6. Ticket takers.
Movie theater ticket takers will increase by an estimated 12 percent over the next 10 years. Right now the job pays an average of $9.43 an hour. Free movies are a great perk, but they don't pay for school clothes.
7. Farm workers.
Earning $9.51 per hour for a job that's dangerous, uncomfortable and difficult sounds like a raw deal, doesn't it? But that's life for farm workers, about 70 percent of whom are immigrants. The majority of them are in California. But hey, at least children can work, too!
8. Home health aides.
This occupation is expected to grow an astronomical 50 percent in the next decade, thanks to an aging Baby Boomer population that needs caring for. The job can be rewarding, but it can also be a lot of bedpan emptying, all for an average of $9.75 an hour. It doesn't make much sense that current home health aides can't save up enough to pay for their own elder care.
The title to the article should read 'Want to be poor? Go to work in Utah County'.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 2:33 pm
by Hyrcanus
Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 2:38 pm
by Col. Flagg
Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
That's true, but sadly, not enough people are motivated to make anything of themselves nowadays. I look at the majority of our teenagers and think to myself 'that's our future'?
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 2:42 pm
by Jason
Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
LOL...have you looked at the education payoff ratio lately?
Like getting out of dental school with $250k in student loans and opening a hole in the wall unit during deflationary (falling demand)......
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 2:59 pm
by Hyrcanus
Jason wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
LOL...have you looked at the education payoff ratio lately?
Like getting out of dental school with $250k in student loans and opening a hole in the wall unit during deflationary (falling demand)......
I wouldn't advise anyone to go to dental school with $250k in student loans. There is a huge difference between going to an Ivy League school with massive debt and getting a reasonable amount of inexpensive (or free if self taught) training to increase your earnings.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 3:54 pm
by Col. Flagg
The key is doing your research before deciding what kind of a career to pursue to see which one has the least amount of expense and affords you the greatest return on your educational investment. Unfortunately, education nowadays has become a complete racket as students are nickel and dimed to death at every turn. Textbook publishing companies come out with a new textbook almost every year now and the costs keep going up and up (the average college textbook now costs about $150, which is the equivalent of more than one credit hour of tuition) and at a local University here in Utah County, you are charged $5 to take a test in the testing center.
The private schools are even worse... they charge almost $400 per credit hour and just a 2-year degree can cost you more than $30,000.
There's a private medical/dental assisting school in Provo that has a plethora of 5-10 month programs where, upon graduation, you can expect to make $8-$10 per hour after forking over $10-$12,000 for a diploma/certificate.
Education costs are out of control, but what isn't these days?
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 4:11 pm
by Jason
Hyrcanus wrote:Jason wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
LOL...have you looked at the education payoff ratio lately?
Like getting out of dental school with $250k in student loans and opening a hole in the wall unit during deflationary (falling demand)......
I wouldn't advise anyone to go to dental school with $250k in student loans. There is a huge difference between going to an Ivy League school with massive debt and getting a reasonable amount of inexpensive (or free if self taught) training to increase your earnings.
I understand what you are saying......that said having the paper is the key to the officers club.....and right now the officers club isn't looking so hot!
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 4:38 pm
by sbsion
interesting, are we saying we work for money or for our beliefs, what makes us feel good, what is our niche...seems, like recently everyone was putting down making money?.........hmmmmm
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 20th, 2010, 6:27 pm
by pritchet1
Making something of ourselves and self-motivated?
The Small business is being shafted by government. I've closed two businesses (non-profit) I had and I am on the process of closing the 3rd (consulting).
I've been out looking for a salary job for 3 weeks now after having worked for the government for 6 months (budget cutbacks).
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 7:32 am
by Squally
Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
Yes, fulfilling a job to serve healthcare needs, or produce food, or serve food, is for low lifes. I think being a lawyer and banker is the way to go, to be the most productive member of society. I'm going to school to be an gadianton as we speak. I hate blue collar producers, or people who actually fulfill needs and help others, I prefer parasitic positions. I personally think the best way to make money and help society is to sue, usury, and speculate all while grinding those who are so much less than me. And if the sueing and speculating profits come by taking from the blue uneducated, all the better! I'm just grateful I have people to step on and use.
White collar (church or work) is the only the way to go!!
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 8:08 am
by Hyrcanus
Jason wrote:I understand what you are saying......that said having the paper is the key to the officers club.....and right now the officers club isn't looking so hot!
I'm not saying you need a piece of paper at all. You can have a great job with no degree whatsoever, despite what we're constantly told about needing to go to school. I'm only suggesting that people are paid for the work they put in, the reason why the above named jobs are poorly paid is because of simple supply and demand.
Squally wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
Yes, fulfilling a job to serve healthcare needs, or produce food, or serve food, is for low lifes. I think being a lawyer and banker is the way to go, to be the most productive member of society. I'm going to school to be an gadianton as we speak. I hate blue collar producers, or people who actually fulfill needs and help others, I prefer parasitic positions. I personally think the best way to make money and help society is to sue, usury, and speculate all while grinding those who are so much less than me. And if the sueing and speculating profits come by taking from the blue uneducated, all the better! I'm just grateful I have people to step on and use.
White collar (church or work) is the only the way to go!!
Yikes. I understand that is a common thing to hear from people, but if you'll read what I'm saying, I'm not saying you have to be a Banker, Dentist or Lawyer. I'm only saying that people who dislike the amount of money they are earning can easily rectify their problem themselves without expecting that the rest of us will start paying more for existing services.
You can work a blue collar jobs in the industries listed above and with just a bit of motivation you'll quickly be out of the minimum wage tier of jobs.
For that matter, there are plenty of Bankers and Attorneys that work very hard to ensure they're fair and treat people kindly. Hating the blue collar worker isn't any more rational then hating a white collar worker. It's borne out of the same irrational dislike of anyone who is different from you.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 8:51 am
by shadow
Squally wrote:Yes, fulfilling a job to serve healthcare needs, or produce food, or serve food, is for low lifes. I think being a lawyer and banker is the way to go, to be the most productive member of society. I'm going to school to be an gadianton as we speak. I hate blue collar producers, or people who actually fulfill needs and help others, I prefer parasitic positions. I personally think the best way to make money and help society is to sue, usury, and speculate all while grinding those who are so much less than me. And if the sueing and speculating profits come by taking from the blue uneducated, all the better! I'm just grateful I have people to step on and use.
White collar (church or work) is the only the way to go!!
It's supply and demand. If 95% of all 16+ yr old's can flip a burger then there isn't much of a demand is there, plus how much would a burger cost if you had to pay the burger flipper $30/hr
. Most burger joints would go out of business followed by the rancher. On the other hand, how many people are qualified to be a civil engineer or a pilot? Not many! We pay these people more because we value their skills more than the burger flipper. Basic economics isn't rocket science
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 10:27 am
by Jason
Hyrcanus wrote:Jason wrote:I understand what you are saying......that said having the paper is the key to the officers club.....and right now the officers club isn't looking so hot!
I'm not saying you need a piece of paper at all. You can have a great job with no degree whatsoever, despite what we're constantly told about needing to go to school. I'm only suggesting that people are paid for the work they put in, the reason why the above named jobs are poorly paid is because of simple supply and demand.
Squally wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
Yes, fulfilling a job to serve healthcare needs, or produce food, or serve food, is for low lifes. I think being a lawyer and banker is the way to go, to be the most productive member of society. I'm going to school to be an gadianton as we speak. I hate blue collar producers, or people who actually fulfill needs and help others, I prefer parasitic positions. I personally think the best way to make money and help society is to sue, usury, and speculate all while grinding those who are so much less than me. And if the sueing and speculating profits come by taking from the blue uneducated, all the better! I'm just grateful I have people to step on and use.
White collar (church or work) is the only the way to go!!
Yikes. I understand that is a common thing to hear from people, but if you'll read what I'm saying, I'm not saying you have to be a Banker, Dentist or Lawyer. I'm only saying that people who dislike the amount of money they are earning can easily rectify their problem themselves without expecting that the rest of us will start paying more for existing services.
You can work a blue collar jobs in the industries listed above and with just a bit of motivation you'll quickly be out of the minimum wage tier of jobs.
For that matter, there are plenty of Bankers and Attorneys that work very hard to ensure they're fair and treat people kindly. Hating the blue collar worker isn't any more rational then hating a white collar worker. It's borne out of the same irrational dislike of anyone who is different from you.
The hardest I've ever worked....is when I made the least amount of money. Worked in a spud warehouse loading sacks of potatoes....football player from ISU quit after two days....and disappeared a time or two during the two days. As the only other white guy and a good 50 lbs heavier than the heaviest of my co-workers....I stuck it out till the end of the season despite not needing the $225 a week that bad.
One of the guys I was working with had just gotten out of prison for dealing. He could make more in one hour on a Friday night than he could all week at the spud warehouse.
Having been blue collar (literally blue shirts and blue pants) and white collar.....world of difference. This world is jacked when it comes to measuring (and rewarding) value and production. Its all about who can obtain the most amount of wealth with the least amount of work.....or at best on extracting.
Can I build a business where I can extract $1000 week, $10,000 a month, $500,000 a year, $10 million a year, a billion a year? All on the backs of others....
Lincoln Electric built a fantastic company by stipulating a wage ratio between workers and management. Here's a tidbit from a case study -
In 1995, for example, the ratio between the salary of the chairman and president of Lincoln Electric and the total compensation of the average factory worker was 15 : 1. The chairman earned approximately $900,000, and the average factory worker earned $60,000. In 1992, the ratio in Japan was 20 : 1 and the overall ratio in the United States was 100 : 1.8 In 1965, the ratio of salaries of CEOs to the wages of average factory workers was 44 : 1. In 1997, the overall ratio between U.S. CEOs and the average factory worker increased to a ratio 326 : 1.9 The pay disparity between CEOs and U.S. workers is increasing to alarming levels.
http://media.wiley.com/product_data/exc ... 330256.pdf
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 2:15 pm
by serenitylala
Jason wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
LOL...have you looked at the education payoff ratio lately?
Like getting out of dental school with $250k in student loans and opening a hole in the wall unit during deflationary (falling demand)......
Yeah, I agree. Being a medical student and having virtually nothing in the bank every single day, and knowing that I will graduate with over 250k in debt and have to go into a residency program working 80-140 hours a week for only 30K a year.
I think Doctor and Dentist should be added to the list.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 3:07 pm
by Jason
serenitylala wrote:Jason wrote:Hyrcanus wrote:Holy slanted article Batman!
The title should be "The 8 poorest paying jobs for people with no education, motivation or ambition"
I understand working for minimum wage when you're young with no skills, but acquiring valuable skills takes very little in today's world. The library with access to the internet provides a wealth of training. Not to mention just having ambition at the jobs you have, doing a good job and moving up the chain.
LOL...have you looked at the education payoff ratio lately?
Like getting out of dental school with $250k in student loans and opening a hole in the wall unit during deflationary (falling demand)......
Yeah, I agree. Being a medical student and having virtually nothing in the bank every single day, and knowing that I will graduate with over 250k in debt and have to go into a residency program working 80-140 hours a week for only 30K a year.
I think Doctor and Dentist should be added to the list.
Yeah everyone thinks the medical/dental fields are where its at.....little do they know!!!
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 3:56 pm
by serenitylala
[quote="Jason
Yeah everyone thinks the medical/dental fields are where its at.....little do they know!!![/quote]
Tell me about it.
Between malpractice insurance, school loan debt, and Obama's new health care...? Living on Top Ramen and macaroni while having no sleep is not fun.
Man, I wish we were back to the barter system.
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 4:02 pm
by Jason
serenitylala wrote:Jason wrote:Yeah everyone thinks the medical/dental fields are where its at.....little do they know!!!
Tell me about it.
Between malpractice insurance, school loan debt, and Obama's new health care...? Living on Top Ramen and macaroni while having no sleep is not fun.
Man, I wish we were back to the barter system.
....of course there are those radiologists that work half days via remote (internet) from ski resorts, Hawaii, Alaska, etc......and still make $250k a year!
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 6:59 pm
by bobhenstra
Truck driving is an interesting occupation. Starting out I made .19-.22 cents a mile long haul. That lasted two years. Then I drove dump truck locally, selling and delivering top soil, sandy loam for lawns, averaged 6 loads a day $150 a load, Spring Summer and Fall. Took all winter off, except for the occasional day spent mixing garden topsoil for the next year. Got to have good equipment, and keep it in good running condition. Minimum equipment, front end loader and a dump truck.
Had I to live this life over, I'd have started delivering top soil much sooner. Great job, your own boss! I retired at age 59.
Bob
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 8:39 pm
by M249Gunner
Bob,
Where did you obtain the soils to mix into top soil?
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 21st, 2010, 10:57 pm
by bobhenstra
M249Gunner wrote:Bob,
Where did you obtain the soils to mix into top soil?
We got the soil free from a gravel pit, soft sandy loam, they couldn't sell it because it wasn't black. But it grew beautiful grass. We mixed it with free horse manure, with black peat moss, and sometimes on special order with dried sewage from the sewage plant (we let that cook for a year) for gardens!
I sold and delivered to landscapers who paid their bills.
Bob
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 1:39 pm
by bobhenstra
There's alway a way to make money, to barter, to survive! We live close to Utah Lake, lots of food in that lake! My oldest son powers his house with solar and wind. He could keep an extra 25 freezers going for barter. He's also collecting all the chickens he can get.
I'm set up for reloading shotgun shells, mostly slugs, 00 buck and number 4 buck. Home D will be the primary concern when AHBL. After the bad guys have gone--under, survival will be the next test. How well will we work with our neighbors?
If we're not working on useful ideas for coming events, just what the heck are we working on?
You husbands and fathers, you kids and wife goes hungry, whose fault is it? Looking down into hungry, starving, pleading eyes sounds to me like-----"great fun"---
Bob
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 1:41 pm
by Jason
bobhenstra wrote:There's alway a way to make money, to barter, to survive! We live close to Utah Lake, lots of food in that lake! My oldest son powers his house with solar and wind. He could keep an extra 25 freezers going for barter. He's also collecting all the chickens he can get.
I'm set up for reloading shotgun shells, mostly slugs, 00 buck and number 4 buck. Home D will be the primary concern when AHBL. After the bad guys have gone--under, survival will be the next test. How well will we work with our neighbors?
If we're not working on useful ideas for coming events, just what the heck are we working on?
You husbands and fathers, you kids and wife goes hungry, whose fault is it? Looking down in hungry, starving, pleading eyes sounds to me like-----"great fun"---
Bob
Raised gardens!!! Garden year round with minimal investment!
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 2:24 pm
by moonwhim
Our economy is being destroyed by design.....the Globalist Gadianton's design. They keep sending our manufactoring jobs to China and elsewhere, why not, they work for dirt. The dollar is being destroyed by design too. We will be turned into a third world poverty stricken country soon......that way we won't be able to interfere with the Gadiantons.....So.....we must speak up now and awake the people to what is being deliberately done to our country.......are we going to let the bad guys destroy our families health and security and finally come against us with their growing police state?.....who knows the horror that will bring against our families.
We must start warning our neighbors and standing up against this tyranny now! Do we have to wait to be told? Have we no free agency, intelligence, and inspiration to do things that must be done now? But....things aren't that bad, right? So why bring stress into our lives? Well, as soon as the Gadiantons get sufficient power, which they are now gathering, and then it becomes too late to avoid the hell they will bring against us, then we will be weeping and wailing and gnashing our teeth because we didn't act when we could have....and many saints will die and terrible things will happen to us.
I guess I am talking to the men here......how can we allow hell to come against our precious wives and innocent children? If we do nothing to protect our freedoms, Church, and families, will God protect us all without any effort to do our duty?
Look at Captain Moroni and his efforts to protect all he holds dear and sacred. And what did the Lord say of him: ".....verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men." Alma: 48:17 I think the key phrase here for us is: "and ever would be , like unto Moroni.." Big shoes to fill, yes, but are we trying to emulate him as the Lord suggests we should?
Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 2:47 pm
by bobhenstra
Jason wrote:bobhenstra wrote:There's alway a way to make money, to barter, to survive! We live close to Utah Lake, lots of food in that lake! My oldest son powers his house with solar and wind. He could keep an extra 25 freezers going for barter. He's also collecting all the chickens he can get.
I'm set up for reloading shotgun shells, mostly slugs, 00 buck and number 4 buck. Home D will be the primary concern when AHBL. After the bad guys have gone--under, survival will be the next test. How well will we work with our neighbors?
If we're not working on useful ideas for coming events, just what the heck are we working on?
You husbands and fathers, you kids and wife goes hungry, whose fault is it? Looking down in hungry, starving, pleading eyes sounds to me like-----"great fun"---
Bob
Raised gardens!!! Garden year round with minimal investment!
You doing anything with that idea, making a living? Old tires with the sidewalls cut off, filled with a good soil, make great gardens, grow veggies on your driveway! Hope it's successful for you!
Bob
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Re: The 8 poorest paying jobs in the U.S.
Posted: July 22nd, 2010, 3:31 pm
by Jason
bobhenstra wrote:Jason wrote:bobhenstra wrote:There's alway a way to make money, to barter, to survive! We live close to Utah Lake, lots of food in that lake! My oldest son powers his house with solar and wind. He could keep an extra 25 freezers going for barter. He's also collecting all the chickens he can get.
I'm set up for reloading shotgun shells, mostly slugs, 00 buck and number 4 buck. Home D will be the primary concern when AHBL. After the bad guys have gone--under, survival will be the next test. How well will we work with our neighbors?
If we're not working on useful ideas for coming events, just what the heck are we working on?
You husbands and fathers, you kids and wife goes hungry, whose fault is it? Looking down in hungry, starving, pleading eyes sounds to me like-----"great fun"---
Bob
Raised gardens!!! Garden year round with minimal investment!
You doing anything with that idea, making a living? Old tires with the sidewalls cut off, filled with a good soil, make great gardens, grow veggies on your driveway! Hope it's successful for you!
Bob
B
I'm experimenting this summer with 9 4X8 gardens utilizing SFG planting method w/basic soil composition (1/3 peat moss, 1/3 vermiculite, and 1/3 compost)....with some additional tweaks like using burlap surface cover, azomite for trace minerals, etc.
Plenty of folks building and selling boxes on KSL, plenty of compost going around....or the big sacks of dirt I see dropped all over my neighborhood.....so I'm working on a complete guaranteed to grow organic year round system....its not the individual processes but the entire system!
Looking to launch installation business this fall on moderate level then really pound it in the spring....with hopes of getting franchises in place next fall.