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pritchet1 wrote:I guess we are going through the rinse
cycle first, before the cleansing.

bobhenstra wrote:The cleansing will start when the missionaries are called home. Around the same time our Prophet will be on National Tv telling the country something bad has happened, he'll be blamed! And the cleansing will be underway. As types and shadows go, we're fast approaching Helaman 8:26---chapter 9.

Good thing we're prepared.

Bob

usaf916 wrote:

bobhenstra wrote:The cleansing will start when the missionaries are called home. Around the same time our Prophet will be on National Tv telling the country something bad has happened, he'll be blamed! And the cleansing will be underway. As types and shadows go, we're fast approaching Helaman 8:26---chapter 9.

Good thing we're prepared.

Bob

Never heard the TV theory before. How do you figure? I have no doubts that the saints will be the object of much opposition, I've just never heard it like you put it.

haddomr wrote: Also, President Boyd K. Packer came to our Stake in May of 2008 and prophesied that we and our children would learn to use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without. That sounds like a depression/famine to me

I do not know what the future holds. I do not wish to sound negative, but I wish to remind you of the warnings of scripture and the teachings of the prophets which we have had constantly before us.

I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn.

I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.

I am familiar, as are you, with the declarations of modern revelation that the time will come when the earth will be cleansed and there will be indescribable distress, with weeping and mourning and lamentation (see D&C 112:24).

Now, I do not wish to be an alarmist. I do not wish to be a prophet of doom. I am optimistic. I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us. I earnestly pray that it may not. There is so much of the Lord’s work yet to be done. We, and our children after us, must do it.

In spite of the teachings of the Church from its earliest days until today, members sometimes fall victim to many unwise and foolish financial practices. Some continue to spend, thinking that somehow the money will become available. Somehow they will survive.

Far too often, the money hoped for does not appear.

Remember this: debt is a form of bondage. It is a financial termite. When we make purchases on credit, they give us only an illusion of prosperity. We think we own things, but the reality is, our things own us.

Some debt—such as for a modest home, expenses for education, perhaps for a needed first car—may be necessary. But never should we enter into financial bondage through consumer debt without carefully weighing the costs.

We have often heard that interest is a good servant but a terrible master. President J. Reuben Clark Jr. described it this way: “Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies; it never goes to the hospital; it works on Sundays and holidays; it never takes a vacation. … Once in debt, interest is your companion every minute of the day and night; you cannot shun it or slip away from it; you cannot dismiss it; it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders; and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you.” 2

The counsel from other inspired prophets in our time on this subject is clear, and what was true 50 or 150 years ago is also true today.

President Heber J. Grant said, “From my earliest recollections, from the days of Brigham Young until now, I have listened to men standing in the pulpit … urging the people not to run into debt; and I believe that the great majority of all our troubles today is caused through the failure to carry out that counsel.” 3

President Ezra Taft Benson said, “Do not leave yourself or your family unprotected against financial storms. … Build up savings.” 4

President Harold B. Lee taught, “Not only should we teach men to get out of debt but we should teach them likewise to stay out of debt.” 5

President Gordon B. Hinckley declared: “Many of our people are living on the very edge of their incomes. In fact, some are living on borrowings. …

“… I urge you to be modest in your expenditures; discipline yourselves in your purchases to avoid debt to the extent possible. Pay off debt as quickly as you can, and free yourselves from bondage.” 6

But the best place to have some food set aside is within our homes, together with a little money in savings. The best welfare program is our own welfare program. Five or six cans of wheat in the home are better than a bushel in the welfare granary.
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Save a little money regularly, and you will be surprised how it accumulates.

A cardinal principle of the gospel is to prepare for the day of scarcity. Work, industry, frugality are part of the royal order of life. Remember these words from Paul: “If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”13

Seated before us are the three presiding high priests who constitute the First Presidency of the Church.

From President James E. Faust, Second Counselor, we hear: “Every father and mother are the family’s storekeepers. They should store whatever their own family would like to have in the case of an emergency … [and] God will sustain us through our trials.”14

From President Thomas S. Monson, First Counselor, we hear: “Many more people could ride out the storm-tossed waves in their economic lives if they had their year’s supply of food … and were debt-free. Today we find that many have followed this counsel in reverse: they have at least a year’s supply of debt and are food-free.”15

From President Gordon B. Hinckley, the Lord’s prophet, we hear:

“The best place to have some food set aside is within our homes. …

“We can begin ever so modestly. We can begin with a one week’s food supply and gradually build it to a month, and then to three months. … I fear that so many feel that a long-term food supply is so far beyond their reach that they make no effort at all.

“Begin in a small way, … and gradually build toward a reasonable objective.

bobhenstra wrote:

usaf916 wrote:

bobhenstra wrote:The cleansing will start when the missionaries are called home. Around the same time our Prophet will be on National Tv telling the country something bad has happened, he'll be blamed! And the cleansing will be underway. As types and shadows go, we're fast approaching Helaman 8:26---chapter 9.

Good thing we're prepared.

Bob

Never heard the TV theory before. How do you figure? I have no doubts that the saints will be the object of much opposition, I've just never heard it like you put it.

In Nephi's day, he got on his prayer tower to tell the gadiantons of his day what they didn't want to hear, notice the detailed description of where his tower was (Helaman 7:10); Today, the tower is called "television!" All of todays gadiantons will hear!

The sad part, many of todays membership will be embarrassed! Many, even after partaking of the fruit of the tree of life, will fail for a time because of those mocking from the great and spacious building (1st Nephi, chapter eight). As Peter did, failing to acknowledge the Lord before the cock crowed three times. Hence, the cleansing begins!

It will be a great and terrible test in mortality, the Lord will have a tried and tested people going into the millennium!

Two more tests to come!

Bob