Zion and God's Law, the ISM of Anglo/Saxon Communes

[Darren]

Now is the time to save the constitution by the principles of the true "-ISM" of the Anglo/Saxon/Germanic Communes (the United Order.)

Mormon Genealogy Work reveals the Principle of the United Order.

When the Lord restored the Church he said that the “first responsibility” of the Latter-day Saints was “to seek after their dead”: to do genealogy work and learn of their ancestors. Accordingly our people began slowly putting together a more and more complete picture of where the records of our ancestors were.

Before long our people made a discovery.

Almost all of the important genealogical records of the European people were kept in the commune meetinghouses of all of the thousands of tiny communes into which Germanic Europe is divided. So the Church undertook a massive program to microfilm all of these commune records throughout Europe.

It then bored a tunnel into a solid granite mountain near Salt Lake City and stored those precious records in vaults reached by the tunnel. If a nuclear explosion went off at the door of the tunnel, it still would not damage the records of Europe’s communes inside. This is, incomparably, the ultimate authority on Earth as to what the true “-ISM” of the COMMUNES of Europe is.

The assembly of those commune records into those vaults is largely the work of one man. His name was Archibald F. Bennett. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints formally advertised Archibald F. Bennett as, “the man who probably knew more about Genealogy than any man who has ever lived.”

In the early days of his career, in the early 1930’s, Archibald F. Bennett used to say that it was possible to prove that the Story in the Original Charter of the Law was not a fairy tale but THAT IT WAS TRUE. It could be proven by all of the most ancient Germanic genealogies kept all over Europe. Toward the end of his career, in the early 1960’s, he used to say that it was possible to prove that the Story of the Original Charter was TRUE, THAT IT COULD BE DEFINITIVELY PROVEN THAT IT WAS TRUE, FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNE RECORDS THAT HE HAD GATHERED FROM EVERY CORNER OF EUROPE.

The "-ISM" of the Communes of Europe is the Original Charter of the Law as taught to your North European ancestors by Jesus Christ.

To understand this blows away Satan's control over Mankind.

Neo, you are in the Matrix. Wake up Neo...

God Bless,
Darren

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I was thinking about the differences of the United Order and Socialism yesterday.

Especially after watching a talk given at BYU before I was even born.

I think one main idea I focused on was the fact that in the UO all involved are giving willingly, where as in Socialism, all are compelled to give.

I thought about in the UO that all work, using their talents and abilities, their time etc, and that in socialism everyone is lazy, and tries to get a free ride off of those companies and people that are producers.

I know these are obvious differences, but they have been on my mind a lot lately.

I think I have understood more deeply true value. How each individual has more value then anything that we could create, as far as money etc. That we are able to give a greater return as individuals through our natural abilities and talents, especially when we work together towards a common goal. I have noticed that talents that even that individual did not realize they had start surfacing.

While reading the Doctrine and Covenants recently, the mention of LAW became very important. I never connected the way I lived with laws before. And I think that is largely due to the comments you have posted. So, the laws that we are living, are willing to live, that are comfortable to us here, are the laws that will determine our reward.

My mind does have a hard time wrapping around your discussion of the law, mainly I think because I am an emotional being, not highly technical. I can feel truth to what you are saying, but I am still not getting it. It is easy for me to want to give willingly, it is easy for me to work together with others toward a common goal. I am happiest when I am serving others, and right now I am highly focused on self purification and sanctification. I am really focused on getting my physical to submit to the spiritual. It has been happening, but I have so far to go. I don't just repent once a day anymore, but several times. Every time I catch myself thinking a thought that I should not have. Usually it is one that is in judgment, like "that was stupid". I have realized that even that thought is connected to pride. Because what I am really saying to myself is, I am smarter then that person is. It is a small level of pride to some people and unimportant, but that is where my focus is right now. The spirit has increased greatly, so much so, that I wonder why I have been so blessed.

This is why I feel alone on this site at times. I am focused on becoming a Zion person, rather then on the chaos around me.

I too want to save the Constitution, but after I heard that talk on BYUTV yesterday, I felt like there is no promise that we can. Only that the Kingdom of God on earth, His church will. And that if the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders, but I don't know if they will get the opportunity to do so. It seems to me that the Constitution already had been ignored when the Mormons were denied their religious Freedom in the United States and had to leave the country to have that freedom. When it was ignored that their property was illegally seized, and people murdered with no consequences for doing so. (At least not legally here on earth)

If it can be saved, it will be the Elders that do it, but I believe that my focus is to teach freedom to my children, and to continue to build the Kingdom of God, and prepare for those sacrifices and persecutions that will come, and to prepare myself to deal with those trials and tribulations that will require incredible faith to make it through them.

There are things that my PB tells me that I must do to stay on my course. I am going through a mourning time right now. Our country has cancer, and it is on its death bed..... I feel that the majority of the citizens walk right on by, and don't even notice, and there are so few that are trying to lend aid, call to others for help in that, and that the majority will not take notice until it is time for the funeral and the burial.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

I think that people misunderstand saving the constitution. We as a society have abandoned it long since. It is as far outta sight and gone for us as it is for the English. Saving the constitution cannot then mean that we will preserve the continuity and never cease to enshrine it. Rather, it means that we will return to it. We as a society must Shube, repent, return to it and hence it will then be saved. As for now it is long since gone away and utterly unheard from.

I also have to point out your appraisal of yourself. You are capable of and willing to serve others without earthly temporal reward. So am I. Anyone with an eternal mindset MUST set aside the inferior temporal rewards for the infinitely greater eternal rewards. Zion is predicated upon that principle, it is inseparable from it as it is after the true order of heaven itself.

Your argument in the first part of your post that in socialism everyone is lazy is preposterous as I will show you. You live under it and yet you do not act out of laziness, in fact you listed numerous evidence of this in your post! You then went on to say that though everyone is lazy they attempt to get a free ride from those who are not? That first implies that there are those who then do act as producers despite no incentive, and then that the rest do not follow suit, but are instead lazy thieves? You know that you would not stop producing by use of your talents, and I know that I would not, so who are these mythical lazy people? Should we not have more faith in our fellow man?

The problems with socialism as I see it are two. First force, which is inherently a flawed concept as it presupposes superiority or dominion (things that we do not have over each other). Second governance, earthly governments of men have been insufficient causes to work for. If we consecrate our time, talents, and possessions to an earthly government, we are guilty of idolatry.

But the second point will be alleviated in Zion as will the first. Zion will use no force as Zion will need no force, men should (and will) do many things of their own free will and choice. Because Zions head is God through our Savior, it is not then idolatrous to render up our full ability to that cause. Socialism has to be irreligious, consecration is inherently religious.

I firmly believe that the united order and consecration if explained in full would be viewed as socialism by most because it seeks to make men equal in earthly things. But it is not (socialism) for the two reasons mentioned.

There is too much scripture and prophesy that I cannot deny.

D&C 49:20 "But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin."

D&C 78:6 "For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things."

D&C 104:16 "But it must be done in mine own way; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low."

D&C104:17&18 "For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.
"Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment."

D&C 117:13 "...for his sacrifice shall be more sacred unto me than his increase, saith the Lord."

D&C 117:16 "...remember the Lord their God, and mine house also, to keep and preserve it holy, and to overthrow the moneychangers in mine own due time, saith the Lord. Even so. Amen."

D&C 133:10 " Yea, let the cry go forth among all people: Awake and arise and go forth to meet the Bridegroom; behold and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord."

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Elder Harold B. Lee


Elder Harold B. Lee, Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles

The length of time that has elapsed since the April Conference has only served to impress upon me the sacredness of the position I am now called to occupy. I am therefore dependent upon the Spirit of our Heavenly Father today, and pray for an interest in your faith and prayers.

The Lord Concerned in the Welfare of His Children

I trust the words that I shall speak to you this morning will be words of wisdom and words guided by the spirit of this great Conference.
During the last five and a half years my mind has been occupied largely in matters that pertain to the safety and welfare of this people. In my study of this subject and my attention to these matters, I have become impressed with the rich outpouring of the Spirit that has dictated counsel, wisdom, and revelation sufficient for our needs. That the Lord is concerned about the welfare of this people there can be no question, as is evidenced by a revelation given early in the history of this Church to the Prophet Joseph in these words:
And it is my purpose to provide for my Saints, for all things are mine.
But it must needs be done in mine own way. (D&C 104:15, 16.)
I received some time ago a letter from a friend that suggests the concern of our Father, and the way by which His concern will be manifest. I quote:
For over a century men have been preaching the gospel of salvation but have never lifted their eyes beyond the old sectarian concept of a salvation men have to die to get. When we become conscious of the fact that there is no time limit upon the saving principles and powers of the Gospel but that they may be drawn upon to meet the problems of today and tomorrow, as well as of the Hereafter, we will then become the people who will be the light of the world.

Inspired Leadership the Present Need

The dispensation in which you and I live is intended to be a demonstration of the power and effectiveness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to meet these everyday problems here and now. The Lord declared in 1838:
For thus shall my Church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Verily I say unto you all: Arise and shine forth, that thy light may be a standard for the nations;
And that the gathering together upon the land of Zion, and upon her stakes, may be for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm, and from wrath when it shall be poured out without mixture upon the whole earth. (D&C 115:4-6.)
The uncertainty of the leadership of men of the world in this day is evidenced by the fact that we have many changing programs that over night, and day by day seem to fluctuate between poles of the greatest of uncertainty. We hear much about "the abundant life," and "social security," and there are some I fear who are believers in the thought that these goals will come from the working out of the philosophies of men. Enterprising newspaper writers have suggested as you gather to this Conference that you are coming here, perhaps, as you have never done before to hear words of direction and counsel from those who stand as your Church leaders, and well you might come in this day, for the Prophet has declared:
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7.)
Last night as we left the Priesthood meeting you heard the thunder roar, you saw the lowering of clouds, and you said to yourselves: "Well, it looks like we are going to have storms tomorrow." And yesterday morning and the day before as the sun came up on a cloudless sky you said, "Well, it looks like we will have fair weather." And you who have thus been able to read most accurately the signs of the weather might well listen to what the Master said to those in His day as He used these expressions as a parable:
O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? (Matthew 16:3.)

The Lord's Plan

My purpose in the few minutes that I stand here will be to give you something of what the Lord has said pertaining to this day, and what might be the expectation of the Latter-day Saints concerning the way by which the Lord would guide us to safe shores. Not only has the Lord given us the plan to follow, but He has given us in the revelations one of the basic, if not the most basic reason for the ills that beset mankind. This is what the Lord said, and I suppose as you understand this you will recognize in it the reason for selfishness and for jealousies that develop into bitterness and hatred, and finally into war and bloodshed. Here is the simple statement of the Lord:
But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin. (D&C 49:20.)
While the world today is groping for a solution, (and I repeat that some of our people, I am afraid, have the mistaken notion that they must look to some development of the philosophies of men in this nation or copied from nations abroad, to solve present problems) the Latter-day Saints should never lose sight of the fact that for over one hundred years the Lord has given us the way, and the plan by which might come the ultimate solution of all the economic problems of this day. Listen to what the Lord said in a revelation:
For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments.
Therefore, I give unto you this commandment, that ye bind-your-selves by this covenant, and it shall be done according to the laws of the Lord.
Behold, here is wisdom also in me for your good.
And you are to be equal, or in other words, you are to have equal claims on the properties, for the benefit of managing the concerns of your stewardships, every man according to his wants and his needs, inasmuch as his wants are just-
And all this for the benefit of the Church of the living God, that every man may improve upon his talent, that every man may gain other talents, yea, even an hundred fold, to be cast into the Lord's storehouse, to become the common property of the whole Church-
Every man seeking the interest of his neighbor, and doing all things with an eye single to the glory of God. (D. and C. 82:14-19.)

The Revelation Pertaining to the United Order

One year prior to the receiving of that revelation the Lord gave the details-the minutest of details-of the organization we have come to call the United Order. He told us how consecrations were to be made and were to be received; He told us how the residue or surpluses were to be handled and distributed; He told us something about the establishment of stewardships and private ownerships, and how those within such an organization should act. This is not the first time that such an organization has been given to this people. We read that shortly after the crucifixion of the Savior the followers of our Lord and Savior established an order where they had all things in common, and two hundred years after the Savior's coming we find a people on this continent of which it was said that they likewise were living in close bonds of fellowship and love, so much so that there was not to be found a happier people anywhere on the face of the earth.

Beginning of the Church Welfare Plan

Five and a half years ago when I, under an assignment from the First Presidency, accompanied Brother Melvin J. Ballard throughout the Church to make the initial announcement of the present movement known as the Church Welfare Plan, he was asked everywhere: "Is this the beginning of the United Order?" And to all such questioners Brother Ballard's answer was the same: "No, it is not the beginning of the United Order, but it may be that in this movement the Lord may be giving His people an examination to see how far they have come toward a condition where they might live as one."
As I have thought about that question, and as I have thought about his answer, I have had difficulty understanding how a people who are not able to sacrifice to a point where they can pay a tenth of their interest annually and abstain from two meals on the first Sunday of the month and pay that as an offering for the care of the needy, I have difficulty in understanding how we can believe that many of our people are more than ten percent ready for the United Order.
Furthermore, I have difficulty understanding that they would be able to live in the United Order were it to be instituted in this day. I also have grave doubts that prosperous times will make possible that happy day spoken of. I fear we must yet see more difficult and trying times than any we have yet passed through before such a day can come.
There are some things of which I am sure, and that is that contrary to the belief and mistaken ideas of some of our people, the United Order will not be a Socialistic or Communistic set-up: it will be something distinctive and yet will be more capitalistic in its nature than either Socialism or Communism, in that private ownership and individual responsibility will be maintained. I am sure also that when it comes it will come from the leaders of this Church whom you sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators, and will not come from some man who does not occupy that position. It will not come as a political program, legislated by men not possessed of that authority. I am also convinced that the time is here when Zion must put on her beautiful garments preparatory for the second coming of the Savior, and I believe firmly that that preparation is in progress. I am likewise persuaded that the Church Welfare Plan is contributing mightily to that preparation.
It is more than just a coincidence that our Presidency, in 1936, from this stand announcing the beginning of this Welfare movement, made this significant statement:
No pains must be spared to wipe out all feeling of diffidence, shame, or embarrassment on the part of those receiving relief. The Ward must be one great family of equals.

The Purpose of the Plan to Help the Poor

I have seen from a humble beginning an organization grow to where now there has been produced throughout the Church great quantities of foodstuffs. I have seen a system of equitable distribution of those foodstuffs grow up under the guidance of our leaders, so much so that the eighty-three storehouses we now have, or that are in course of construction, may each have an equitable supply of all these commodities, and as great a variety as though they were here in the center part of the Church. I remember also that no Bishop today who is faithful in bearing his responsibility may say that he cannot take care of faithful members of his Ward because he has insufficient funds. I know that in these years we have been striving to a great end, and we have been led by the hand of our Father.
We have come, yes, in a day when "The way of the Lord," as He described it, would be applied, when the poor would be exalted, or in other words stimulated to success and pride, and uplifted because the rich have been made low, or in other words, because the rich have been made humble and willing to give of their substance, their time, and their talent, and their wisdom, and their example that the poor might be thus guided and directed. I have seen team work and cooperation grow, and I have seen the Priesthood take its place in blessing this Church temporally and spiritually in a most glorious way.

Preparation Necessary Before the Second Coming of Christ

I am persuaded that the days of trial and tribulation, the time for testing the fidelity of the Latter-day Saints is here as has been foretold. I am also convinced that you and I will not be prepared for the living of the Celestial law in preparation for the Second Coming if we are notable to live the law of tithing, and pay our Fast offerings, and subscribe whole-heartedly to the workings of the Welfare Plan at the present time. In my mind there is grave doubt that any man can abide the day of the Second Coming who is not willing and able to follow the leadership of these men whom the Lord has set to counsel and guide us in this day.
I thank the Lord that we are not dependent alone upon the faith of those who lived centuries ago, or even a hundred years ago, for revelations that were given unto them in that day. In this day He has given us leaders who are possessed of the same spirit of revelation. This is what the Lord said, speaking to those who held Apostleship:
And this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. (D&C 68:3, 4.)

Inspired Words of Past Church Leaders

It should not be necessary today for us to expect new written revelation on every point when we have these men thus possessed of that same spirit of revelation. A brief review of the past instruction of our leaders should only serve to warn the disobedient and to encourage the obedient to continue faithful. Today listen to the words of President Wilford Woodruff that he spoke more than forty years ago:
So far as temporal matters are concerned, we have got to go to work and provide for ourselves. The day will come when you will see the necessity for making your own shoes and clothing, raising your own food, and uniting together to carry out the purposes of the Lord. We will be preserved in the mountains of Israel in the day of God's judgment.
I therefore say to you, my brethren and sisters, prepare for that I which is to come.
Have you made that preparation? Have you become a self-sustaining people? We were warned to be so by a man whom we sustained as the representative of our Heavenly Father here upon this earth. Today we are suffering from difficulties between capital and labor. Are you aware that our leader of nearly forty years ago told us something that if we would have heeded would have guided us safely past some of the ills of the present time.
Lorenzo Snow spoke these words:
Ye toiling millions who in the sweat of your faces earn your daily bread, the day of your redemption draweth nigh. Cease to waste your wages on that which helps to keep you in want. Regard not the wealth of your enemy and your employer is your oppressor. Seek for the union of capital and labor. Be provident when in prosperity. Do not become a prey to designing men who seek to stir up strife for their own selfish ends. Strive for your rights by all lawful means, and desist from violence and destruction. Dissipation and vice are the chains that bind you to slavery.
Men and women of wealth, use your riches to give employment to the laborer; take the idle from the crowded centers of population, and place them on the untilled areas that await the hand of industry. Unlock your vaults, unloose your purses, and invest in enterprises that will give work to the unemployed and relieve the wretchedness that poisons the moral atmosphere around you. Make others happy and you will be happy yourself.
We have heard much said in this Conference about keeping out of debt and avoiding speculation. From this stand just nine years ago now, from the inspired lips of our late President Anthony W. Ivins he spoke these words; (and they should be something of a condemnation to those who disregarded his words, and should be something of a blessing to those who listened to and kept that counsel.) This is what he said referring to and warning against borrowing and going into debt:
I fear that under existing conditions we are gradually drifting toward a pattern government, a government which will so entrench itself that the people will become powerless to disrupt it, in which the lives and liberties of the people at large may be jeopardized. They are pouring millions of dollars in this time of need into sources for the benefit of the people, and it is a great benefit and perhaps salvation, but it is going to result in this, I am going to make this statement, that if the present policy is continued it will not be long before the government will be in the banking business, it will be in the farming business, it will be in the cattle and sheep business, for many of these debts will never be paid. This will mean the appointment of innumerable agencies. The government now is overloaded with commissions and agencies, some of them administering the very laws that Congress itself has enacted. Someone else should be administering those laws. If you want to save yourselves from the bondage of deb and political influences which are not of your own choosing, I ask you to think of what I have said.
Now, my brethren and sisters, we have men today who have told us repeatedly and also warned against the evil and vice of liquor in our midst. We have been told that we must patronize and foster home industry, to avoid speculation, to make savings in foods and clothing for at least a year. We have had our leaders plead with us to pursue a course that would tend to keep us out of war. I admonish you in all sobriety and seriousness to listen and heed before it is too late.
Oh, may we not be those of whom the Lord complained:
In the day of their peace they esteemed lightly my counsel; but, in the day of their trouble, of necessity they feel after me. (D&C 101:8.)
Remember that the Lord said:
For if you will that I give unto you a place in the celestial world,
you must prepare yourselves by doing the things which I have commanded you and required of you. (D&C 78:7.)

Safety in Following Counsel of Church Leaders

Today you and I are here because we listened to the counsel of President Brigham Young, and turned deaf ears to the pleadings of men like James J. Strang, Sidney Rigdon and others who would have led us from the path of truth and right. I bear you my witness in all humility that if your children and my children, our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren, remain faithful to this Church it will be because you and I remained steadfast in the testimony that these men are the prophets of the living God and that we must follow their counsel if we would be saved in the days of peril. Therefore, "stand ye in holy places and be not moved," that we might abide the day of the coming of the Son of Man and be caught up in the clouds of heaven to meet our Redeemer when He comes on earth to reign, and reign with Him a thousand years with our children and the redeemed of our Father's house, I pray humbly, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

General Conference October 1941

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

President Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1898, Afternoon Session

The right of the Saints to participate in affairs of the Church-All should be interested-Spiritual and temporal affairs inseparable-Necessity for mutual aid, industry and enterprise-True order of equality-Principle of stewardship-Thoughts on home-building
Difficult personal experiences.
It is with a feeling of great dependence upon the Lord that I arise to speak to you for a short time. I sincerely desire an interest in your faith and prayers, that I may be guided in my remarks by the Spirit of wisdom and by the inspiration of the Lord.
I have enjoyed the spirit of the conference so far. I was heartily in accord with the remarks that were made by the brethren who spoke to us yesterday. I trust that the same good spirit may continue with us throughout the conference. It is a great privilege that Latter-day Saints enjoy, to come to this Tabernacle once or twice a year to listen to the voices of the servants of the Lord who have been chosen as our leaders, and to partake of the spirit which accompanies the gatherings of the Saints on occasions like this, and to participate in the business which may be brought before the people for their consideration and approval. We come together as officers and members in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, each and all of us having rights and the privilege to participate in the affairs of the Church, as to the spirit and principle of government, in the continuance of our organizations, in sustaining the measures that may be presented before us or that may come up for consideration by the people. We are commanded indeed that we shall meet together in conference to attend to the business of the Church. It is here that we have the privilege of expressing our faith and confidence or otherwise in those men who have been appointed to fill the various positions as general authorities of the Church, from the First President down to the last general officer in the Church. This is not a mere form. There is efficacy in it. It means something. And it is a matter that we should all appreciate and take part in intelligently, feelingly, and with an earnest desire in our hearts to see the Church of Christ established upon the foundation of direct revelation and inspiration from the Almighty. We should come here with a determination in our hearts to sustain that which is good, and to discountenance that which may not be good. It is our privilege and right to determine by the Spirit of God between the right and the wrong, between that which will build up and sustain the work of the Lord in the earth and that which in its nature will tend to disintegrate and destroy or to divide the people of God in the earth. Every member of the Church should be deeply interested in the welfare of the whole Church.
Those who are called to official positions in the Church are not by any means the only ones who have an interest in the welfare or the advancement of the kingdom of God. Every true and faithful Latter-day Saint ought to feel as earnest a desire in his or her heart for the advancement of the cause of Zion and for the firm establishment of the principles of truth in the earth as President Snow, or his counselors, or any of the Twelve Apostles, or any of the leading authorities of the Church. This Church is not established for one, or for a few; but the great plan of salvation and eternal life, which has been revealed to man in this latter day, is for the purpose of saying and exalting all mankind who will yield obedience to the requirements that are made of them. It is not necessary to argue the point that all men must receive the truth and obey it in order to be benefited by it. The Lord has spoken from the heavens, and men must become acquainted with this fact. This truth must be declared unto men, and they must receive it before they can be benefited by this great revelation in the latter day. All men must believe; they must repent of sin and forsake it, in order that they may be restored to fellowship with the Lord and be brought into His fold, be numbered as His children and become entitled to the special gifts and blessings of the Spirit of God which are promised unto those who are born again.
Having gathered together, as we have done, in these valleys of the mountains, we have great responsibilities resting upon us. It is our business, whatever the world may say about it, to look after the temporal as well as the spiritual welfare of the people of God. We cannot divide the temporal from the spiritual, or the spiritual from the temporal. We cannot give advice and counsel to the people calculated to benefit them spiritually that will not also benefit them temporally: neither can we give to the people advice or admonition which will be beneficial to them from a temporal point of view that will not tend to benefit and strengthen them spiritually. We are of a dual nature. We are not all spiritual, neither are we all temporal. The spiritual and the temporal are blended together. It is absolutely necessary in the cause of redemption, in which we are engaged, that the temporal welfare of the people should be looked after, and their temporal salvation secured unto them as well as their spiritual salvation. It is for this purpose that the Lord Almighty has gathered us out of the nations of the earth and called us into the tops of these mountains, where we can be organized according to the pattern that He has given to us, and where, by means of appointing officers in the Church to look after the people, all the people may be guarded from the evils of the world by the shepherds that are placed over them in the various organizations of the Church, from the Presidency down to the Teacher, who is called to minister unto the people in their homes. And it is not one of the least considerations that the people should be provided with employment, and be put in a position where they can obtain homes for themselves, so that they may all become, if they are not already, self-sustaining and, so far as temporal wants are concerned, absolutely independent. It is, of course, impossible for any individual to become entirely independent of others. The Lord Almighty has not designed that we should stand severally or alone in the world. He has made us social beings, and He has ordained that we shall help one another and be associated with each other. Therefore, no man or woman can be absolutely independent of all others. There is a certain degree of dependency that must exist. It is perfectly natural and proper that it should be so. And that consistent and natural relationship should not be ignored nor forgotten; for the moment we forget or ignore this principle we become, as it were, a law unto ourselves, and under those conditions we are an element of disorder and of contention. It is a law of God, which should be recognized by us, that we should love one another, that we should extend the helping hand to each other, that we should seek to do good one to another, and that we should uphold one another in that which is right and acceptable in the sight of the Lord. But it does not follow that we should be dependent one upon another for the food that we eat, for the raiment we wear, and for the shelter we need. We will take, for instance, the family unit. In a family organization the wife assists the husband, the husband assists the wife, the children assist the parents, and the parents watch over and protect the children. Thus they are united together as one family. Now, in that family each member can do something that is worthy of his hire, so to speak. Every member of the household should be industrious, frugal and prudent, and diligent and earnest in seeking the welfare and benefit of every member of the family. The family should be in a position to take possession of a portion of the earth that the Lord has given to us, for an inheritance: and by means of industry and labor and the exercise of wisdom, they should be able to obtain out of the earth, and from the flocks and herds and the other means of wealth which the Lord has placed within our reach, all that is necessary to sustain the family and make it independent, so far as its food, raiment and habitation are concerned. And if all the families that compose the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were in a position to sustain themselves out of the earth or by the skill of their labor the whole Church would be independent in this respect. Of course it is necessary that labor should be diversified. It is not necessary, nor would it be prudent, for us all to be farmers. It would not do for us all to be mechanics, or manufacturers, or merchants. According to the multiplicity of labor or of openings for industry that exist in a community will be the independence of the community and employment for the people.
But there are many people who seem to be unable to obtain labor, and they come around from time to time asking if the brethren cannot give them employment. This should never be in any community, and especially in a community of Latter-day Saints. This country, in the beginning, was called Deseret the honey bee signifying industry; Utah, in the early days, was likened to the hive of bees, in which every bee was busy and was supposed to be able to do something toward building up and strengthening the entire colony. This should be the condition of the people of Zion. Every individual should be in a position to add something to the wealth of the whole. Everyone should be increasing, improving, and advancing in some way, and accomplishing something for his or her good and for the good of the whole.
Then again, it is written that "it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another." Of course, there is some allowance to be made for this expression. A man who has ability superior to another man, and who is able to manage and control larger affairs than another, may possess far more than another who is not able to control and manage as much as he. But if they each had what they were capable of managing and of using wisely and prudently, they would each have alike. It is like the quart and the pint measures. You cannot put a quart into a pint measure; but you can put a pint into a quart measure, and then you can duplicate it. If the pint measure is full, that is all it has capacity to hold; if the quart measure is full, it can hold no more; and they are equal, so far as their capacity is concerned. I never expect to see the day when we shall come to the iron bedstead plan that if a man be too long for the Bedstead he will have to be shortened to fit it; or if he be too short, he will have to be stretched out. I expect to see every man a steward over his inheritance, and I expect to see every man manage his inheritance according to the light and wisdom that he possesses and in accordance with his capacity for managing. If his capacity is greater than another's he will have more than another, because he cannot be curtailed in his liberties or rights to do good and to magnify, to enlarge, to increase, to be greater and better, because there is another that cannot be as great or as good as he. What is meant then by this passage which says that it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another? I take it that in part at least it means this: It is not right for one man, because of superior advantages that he may possess in a social or financial way, or in any other way, to take advantage of others and to deprive them of that which naturally and rightfully belongs to them. I understand, too, that it is not right for men to combine together in order to oppress their fellow beings and to take advantage of them. The Spirit of the Lord forbids this, and commands that it shall not be in the midst of the Latter-day Saints. Furthermore, the Lord requires that when men have abundance they shall be as humble, as economical and as prudent in the management of their abundance as the man who possesses much less is expected to be prudent and economical in the management of that which is given to him.
I want to make an application of this principle in the matter of homesteads. Only a few days ago I visited a locality where I looked over a broad extent of country, containing large fields, some of them enclosed, some of them partly enclosed, others not fenced at all; many of them cultivated nicely and carefully, others filled with weeds and noxious growths. The latter were not being made useful to man, and I said to myself, why should this be? Here are opportunities for many men to be employed. Some man possesses here more than he is capable of controlling, more than he can wisely handle, and he is simply half-doing or quarter-doing that which should be done, and in a sense he is depriving others of privileges that they should enjoy. I asked who owned a certain field there. I was told who owned it. What is the reason it is not cultivated? The answer came, Because the man that owns it has 1,800 acres of land here, more or less, and possessions in other parts of the country and he has more than he can attend to, so his farm here is left to go to weeds. He cuts one crop of lucern a year, whereas if it were properly attended to three crops might be secured. I said to myself, Here is an exemplification of the word of the Lord that it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another. This man has more than he can attend to. That 1,800 acres of land more or less ought to be divided up. Other men ought to be invited there, and they ought to have the privilege of cultivating that soil, and getting three times the wealth out of it that this man gets. They would have an inheritance that they could attend to, that they could labor wisely upon, and that they could accomplish something with. Then, pointing to another field, I asked whose field is this. I was told that that belonged to another man, who had a thousand acres or more. Now, a thousand acres of land, when it is properly cultivated, will produce a great deal towards the sustenance of man, and a number of men could make a living off that land; whereas it is doing the man who now holds it, and who is unable to give it the proper attention, one-third the good perhaps it ought to do. This I consider to be unwise stewardship. Our sons and our daughters who are seeking homes are under the necessity of going to Idaho, or to Arizona, or to Mexico, or to Wyoming, to find land, when there are fields on fields nearer home that should be opened up and made into homes for our young men and women. Why should the wealthy, because they are wealthy monopolize the land, when they themselves cannot cultivate it as it ought to be? It is a wrong principle, and I think advice and counsel might properly be given to some of these rich men that have large tracts of land here in this valley in which we live or elsewhere which they cannot use wisely or profitably, to persuade them to divide it up with their children or with somebody else's children, upon such terms as the young people will be able to make homes for themselves near the parental roof, instead of having to go a long distance, and leave the land here to be taken up by strangers. I will relate one other circumstance. I asked about another farm there, and was told that the brother who owned it possessed more than a thousand acres of land, all under mortgage. How did he get it mortgaged? I asked. Well, this good brother, in the land boom that we had some years ago, conceived the idea that he could make lots of money by securing land and then selling it out again at an advance; but the bottom of the boom fell out, the money that he borrowed to buy the land with drew interest, and he could not make the interest out of the land that he possessed; the result is that in a short time it will go into the hands of Eastern people, who have advanced money to this good brother. The meaning of that is that a large tract of land together with all the improvements thereon, will ere long go into the hands of strangers, to be held by them in large quantities and probably at exorbitant prices, so that our young people will be unable to purchase it, and will be compelled to go elsewhere to seek homes for themselves, or else pay large interest into the coffers of money lenders. This is all wrong. I said to my friend that it was a great pity, the people of the neighborhood could not form a union and each contribute a portion of the means necessary to create a fund sufficient to redeem this land and hold it among themselves. That, however, did not seem to be feasible, because every man had all the land he could use, and nearly every one had more than he could use, and therefore had their hands full to attend to their own affairs; besides, they did not have any means to spare to help another brother out of his trouble or to secure those lands to the people at home.
Now, I do not object to good people owning land here, no matter where they live or where they come from. But this is the point: You and I have come here to live and stay. We have not come here to speculate and make money, and then take it away. We came here to make our home, to live and to die here. But there are people who come here simply to make money: and after they have made money out of the people, they are only too willing to go somewhere else and spend it. That is not building up Zion, or the people at home. That is not looking after our interests here.
I do not know just how this matter can be worked out; but I am satisfied that there is a solution to it. If I had a thousand acres of land, and I could only attend to a hundred acres, I would try to get nine other families to come on to the land. I would parcel out my thousand acres between myself and these nine families; and I would say to them, "Here is the land; cultivate it, and pay me out of the products of your labor from year to year such an amount as you can afford until you have paid for the land, and then I will give you a deed to it." If I had more land than I could take care of, I would invite other men to come with me and build up a community, and thus give to others a chance to live as well as myself. Will any of the brethren do this that have more than they can take care of?
We have had a bountiful harvest. The Lord has blessed the earth, has made it extremely fruitful, and the people have been greatly prospered. New let us remember each other. Let us look after the poor and the oppressed and those who need counsel and succor. Let us each be interested in the other. Let us not leave it all to President Snow, and his counselors, and the Twelve Apostles; not leave it to the Bishops and their counselors, or to the official members of the Church. Let every man who possesses wealth or an inheritance in Zion, that can part with a portion of it to a brother in some reasonable way, do so in order to help his brother and to build up our country. Those who have come to live and to die in this work in which we are engaged, it is our business to look after them first; and when we have looked after them to the utmost, then do as much good to others as we possibly can. Our mission in the world is to do good to all mankind.
These are some of my feelings and thoughts in relation to home-building. Many of our people have had to move away from here and go to distant parts, separating from kindred and the homes of their birth, in order to find homes for themselves. This is all right; and whenever it is done it should be done under the counsel and with the knowledge and blessing of the authorities of the Church. Every man holding a standing in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, if he wants to move from one place to another, should take his recommendation from the Bishop of the ward where he lives, to locate in some other place where he can find members of the Church. I say this is essential. It is designed of the Lord that we should form communities, that we should associate together, be one people, and have one faith, one Lord, one hope, and one baptism; that we should be united in the labors of life, and the labors of life should be to promote the welfare of mankind, to increase the happiness of the children of men and their knowledge of those things that pertain to eternal life. For we have the words of eternal life, no matter what people think or say about it. We cannot stop to listen to their cavilings, their disputations, and their denials of the truth. We know that we have received the truth. We know that we have received a portion of the Spirit of truth; not in its fullness, for we are not perfect. Now we only see and know in part. We never can see and know and feel perfectly until we overcome the weakness of mortality and bring ourselves into subjection to the laws of God. The Lord help us to do this, and strengthen us in every good desire of our hearts. For we must build up and beautify Zion. We should encourage the people of Zion to be industrious and self-sustaining. We must not depend upon one another for our existence in that sense. We must be working bees in the hive of Deseret, industrious, prudent, instant in season and out of season.
We must find something useful for our lands to do. If we cannot find it here, let us go somewhere else sad seek for it. If you can find out who these men are that own from 500 to 2,000 acres of land in this valley or elsewhere, more than they can attend to, go and make a proposition to them to take a hundred acres of their land, make it fruitful, and pay to them so much per annum until you have paid for the land. This, of course, is only a suggestion. It may not be worth very much; but any proposition tending to ameliorate the condition of mankind or to open up the way before them, is worthy of being tried. There is nothing like trying except success, and trying earnestly means success. This idea of sitting down and saying, "I cannot," is a foolish thing. No Latter-day Saint should get to this condition. We should feel in our hearts to say, "I will, I can, I must; my necessities require it; God requires it; my fellow creatures require that I should do something for the common good; therefore I cannot sit down and be idle, like a leech, sucking my nourishment from the life blood of my fellow beings."
I talked a little in this strain at one of our late conferences, and was grossly insulted for it. I received anonymous letters from people who said, "Try your own medicine." They wanted me to do what I had advised others to do. Now, to save such the trouble of repeating their suggestion, I want to tell them that I have not advised you to do anything that I have not done myself in the days of my youth. I know what it is to cultivate the desert soil. I know what it is to take water from the natural channels and to conduct it upon the dry, parched land, digging ditches for that purpose. I was not a blacksmith, but I know what it is to have to take off the well worn tires from our old wagons the worn-out tires that were used in crossing the plains and taking them to the blacksmith, with a crooked stick for a beam, and with our crooked sticks for handles and get the blacksmith to make a plow out of our tires. I know what it is to herd cattle on the plains, and mountains, and in the canyons; for I have done it years and years of my life. I know what it is to go into these mountains and get wood for fuel, for the winter's use, and also for those who would buy, in order that I might get my school books, or some clothing that I needed. I know what it is to go into the canyons and cut poles for fencing farms; for I have done that, too. Therefore, I have had some experience in these matters, and I only say to you that which I would do myself, if I were in the circumstances that I once was, or in the condition that some of my brethren are in today. Then, too, in those days we could not go to a brother and borrow of him that which we needed, because all the brethren were in the same condition. We could not borrow a plow, because our brother did not have a plow perchance; or if he did, he needed to use it himself at the same time. Furthermore, I know how to set a tire with rawhide. We used to have to do that. I know how to fasten the spokes of the wheel in the hub by wrapping green rawhide around the spokes to hold them together, when we could not do anything else. And we know what it is to work, and toil and delve for a living out of the barren soil, and that, too, before the curse was removed from this soil; for the curse of sterility was upon the soil when we came to this valley. Today there are tens of thousands of acres of land that are producing rich harvests of grain and fruits, which, when we came into this valley, could not be cultivated at all, and would scarcely raise a sunflower. I have seen the transformation, and I know what has brought it about. It has not all been the labor of man. It has also been through the blessing of God upon the soil. God has removed the curse, has removed the sterility from the soil, and has made it fruitful. Therefore, I give glory, honor, praise and adoration to God my Father, the giver of every good and perfect gift. I acknowledge His hand in the prosperity of this people in this State. I acknowledge the blessing of the Lord upon all the Saints, in that they have been preserved from the hands of their enemies, and from the spirit of apostasy and darkness, dissension and division; that we have had the spirit of union in our hearts, and of love one toward another and towards the Presidency and Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Let us continue to cultivate this spirit of union and love, and of community-interest. Let us adhere to it, cleave to it with undivided and unyielding pertinacity, that we may be indeed one, that we may be God's people; for unless we are one we are not His. God bless you, is my prayer in the name of Jesus.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 17:, p.108
What is the meaning of a stewardship? A steward is one who is accountable to somebody for the property that he manages, and that is his stewardship, whether it be landed property, farming utensils, wagons, cows, oxen, horses, harness, or whatever may be committed to him. To whom were the brethren in Jackson County accountable for the stewardship committed to them? To the Bishop. The Bishop was called in these revelations a common judge in Zion, ecclesiastically speaking, not according to the civil laws; so far as our ecclesiastical laws were concerned he was to be a common judge, and each person was to render an account of the stewardship which he had to the Bishop. I do not know how often; perhaps once a year, perhaps longer than that, perhaps oftener. I do not know that there was any specified time given in these revelations about how often these accounts should be rendered up. But how were the people to live out of the avails of the stewardship committed to their charge? They were to have food and raiment, and the necessary comforts of life. Well, of course, a wise and faithful steward, having health and strength, and perhaps a good deal of talent, might so take charge of a stewardship that he might gain more than he and his family needed, and keeping an account of all these things, and rendering the same when required, some of them would have a considerable surplus above that which they and their families needed. What was to be done with that? Why, as stewards, they would have to consecrate it into the Lord's storehouse, the Lord being the owner of the property and we only his stewards.
There were some men who were entrusted with a larger stewardship than others. For instance, here was a man who knew nothing about farming particularly, but he might be a master spirit as far as some other branch of business was concerned. He might understand how to carry on a great cloth manufactory and everything in the clothing line necessary for the inhabitants of Zion. Such a man would require a greater stewardship than the man who cultivated a small farm, and had only himself and a wife and two or three children to support. But would the fact of one man having a greater stewardship than another make one richer than another? No. Why not? Because, if one received fifty or a hundred thousand dollars to build and stock a large manufactory for the purpose of manufacturing various kinds of fabrics for clothing, although he might have a surplus of several thousand dollars at the end of the year, he would not be any richer than the farmer with his few acres of land, and let me show you how they would be equal. The manufacturer does not own the building, the machinery, the cotton or the flax, as the case may be, he is only a steward, like the farmer, and if, at the end of the year, he has five, ten, or fifty thousand dollars surplus, does that make him a rich man? By no means, it goes into the Lord's storehouse at the end of each year, or as often as may be required, thus leaving him on the same platform of equality with the farmer and his small stewardship. Do you not see the equality of the thing? In temporal matters it is not given that one man shall possess that which is above another, saith the Lord.

[Darren]

The way we work together today is based upon the false concept of the purpose of life.

If that false concept could be seen for what it is, then we could rid ourselves of so much of the lies that our world is based upon.

The false concept of the purpose of life. Author Satan:

You are material. You will die. Now that you are depressed, Satan will show you the way. Give Satan your simple faith. Follow the Orthodox man. False safety and security via a destruction of your will. You die because you cannot progress, work slows or stops.

The true concept of the purpose of life.

You are energy. You will live. Now that you are enlivened, Christ will show you the way. Look to our Savior, seek as an equal. Follow the Prophet. Your children will be raised up without sin unto salvation. You never die, your work becomes part of Moses 1:39, forever.

We wish to work together. In the division of labor of this world there is something that each of us can do for ourselves and each other.

People of the earth generally recognize the benefit of the division of labor. The constant issue among those among whom the labor is divided.

But who shall have the “power?”

There has to be direction to the labor. “Who shall direct it?”

This “power” comes out as the word, “force.”

This “power” of which we speak is “the right to force people.”

In the eyes of the part of mankind experienced in work, it is an impossibility for people to work together without “power” ― “the right to force people.”

But, people who are forced to work are SLAVES!

With one exception.

And what is that?

That is if, in our work together, I FORCE ME AND YOU FORCE YOU!!!

That is what, as we shall now see, has been “Law” for as far back as we have record of it. It is an immediately attractive concept at first glance. It becomes more so as it is investigated. However, as we will also now see, you and I will be called upon to each force ourselves, all by ourselves, if we wish to open up the way to the enjoyment of its benefits.

The answer to how to work together by the Law, has been the search of mankind, restarted every time Satan convinces man that he is no Devil.

Thomas Jefferson was looking for it, the Founding Fathers were looking for it, Cleon Skousen was looking for it. Are you looking for it.

How do I find it.

Look.

But how can I do any better then Thomas Jefferson or Cleon Skousen?

You have something in the way of research tools that they didn’t have.

God has given us a new tool to look, that has only been available in this most recent generation. It fails in comparison to a Urim and Thummim, but this new tool operates on the same principle as the Urim and Thummim.

What is this new tool?

The Internet.

The Internet is destroying the power base of tyrants across the globe, it is destroying the power base of Satan. It is supplying intelligence.

The glory of God is intelligence.

Intelligence is the ability to know, “the faculty of understanding.”

Yes we can save the constitution, we will save the constitution by fulfilling our destiny of showing the world how to work together by the Law.

Work Together By The Law!

God Bless,
Darren

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Darren,

Under the principles you have outlined, it seems to me critical that man not be stuck with a bad decision. We all make mistakes and to capitalize on another's mistakes is not good business, but wrong.

When people enter into an initial agreement to work together by the law, they gain shares in the product of their labor. Those shares are obviously not always distributed evenly. Are they based upon an initial agreement? Do you think that it is essential to revisit the original agreement with any great frequency?

I would think so in both cases. I have found in my experience that when an enterprise begins it is difficult at best to foresee all aspects sufficient to have a rigid plan.

This is one aspect I appreciate about rendering up a surplus and drawing from that surplus to cover the shortfall from time to time. In that case, the agreement only matters in terms of getting credit (something most could do without).

[Darren]

I would highly recommend reading The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People and the other books by Steven R. Covey. Bruce Wydner and Steven R. Covey had a common friend. Steven R. Covey started digesting the information available from the Success Motivation Institute through their common friend, that shows such valuable information as how to make a personal constitution, a constitution of the master mind group, and how to work together via principles of the gospel. Much of what Steven R. Covey was inspired from was the works of Napoleon Hill, so I would also suggest that you study his works.

Working together by the Law is working together by the principles of our Anglo/Saxon/Germanic ancestors, it is how our ancestors worked together by the gospel. Steven R. Covey found it, and very successfully shares it. Napoleon Hill found it, and very successfully shared it. Bruce Wydner found it, and is trying to share it, his successes are in front of us. I found it and I joined with these men who have found it, and I am sharing it, and laying up my treasures in heaven, but I sense a far weightier potential coming, being on the edge of Zion. Keep looking as you may be the next success story. Eventually enough of us will wake up and we will get down to the business of Zion. By Working Together By The Law.

God Bless,
Darren

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I think that people misunderstand saving the constitution. We as a society have abandoned it long since. It is as far outta sight and gone for us as it is for the English. Saving the constitution cannot then mean that we will preserve the continuity and never cease to enshrine it. Rather, it means that we will return to it. We as a society must Shube, repent, return to it and hence it will then be saved. As for now it is long since gone away and utterly unheard from.

I also have to point out your appraisal of yourself. You are capable of and willing to serve others without earthly temporal reward. So am I. Anyone with an eternal mindset MUST set aside the inferior temporal rewards for the infinitely greater eternal rewards. Zion is predicated upon that principle, it is inseparable from it as it is after the true order of heaven itself.

Your argument in the first part of your post that in socialism everyone is lazy is preposterous as I will show you. You live under it and yet you do not act out of laziness, in fact you listed numerous evidence of this in your post! You then went on to say that though everyone is lazy they attempt to get a free ride from those who are not? That first implies that there are those who then do act as producers despite no incentive, and then that the rest do not follow suit, but are instead lazy thieves? You know that you would not stop producing by use of your talents, and I know that I would not, so who are these mythical lazy people? Should we not have more faith in our fellow man?

The problems with socialism as I see it are two. First force, which is inherently a flawed concept as it presupposes superiority or dominion (things that we do not have over each other). Second governance, earthly governments of men have been insufficient causes to work for. If we consecrate our time, talents, and possessions to an earthly government, we are guilty of idolatry.

But the second point will be alleviated in Zion as will the first. Zion will use no force as Zion will need no force, men should (and will) do many things of their own free will and choice. Because Zions head is God through our Savior, it is not then idolatrous to render up our full ability to that cause. Socialism has to be irreligious, consecration is inherently religious.

I firmly believe that the united order and consecration if explained in full would be viewed as socialism by most because it seeks to make men equal in earthly things. But it is not (socialism) for the two reasons mentioned.

There is too much scripture and prophesy that I cannot deny.

D&C 49:20 "But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin."

D&C 78:6 "For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things."

D&C 104:16 "But it must be done in mine own way; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low."

D&C104:17&18 "For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.
"Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment."

D&C 117:13 "...for his sacrifice shall be more sacred unto me than his increase, saith the Lord."

D&C 117:16 "...remember the Lord their God, and mine house also, to keep and preserve it holy, and to overthrow the moneychangers in mine own due time, saith the Lord. Even so. Amen."

D&C 133:10 " Yea, let the cry go forth among all people: Awake and arise and go forth to meet the Bridegroom; behold and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord."

I think that I agree with you for the most part... to me I see you saying what I am trying to say anyway.

What I was saying about Socialism or the isms is that they are of Satan.

The United Order is of God.

They will look similar, but the main differences are about the willingness to give and forced to give (or stolen from). When I was talking about the lazy taking from the working, I meant those that are on state assistance instead of on a rehabilitation plan with the church. Because I have been both places, that is why I look at it this way. The Lord's system reteaches, rebuilds, strengthens families etc. The state's way gives you more for less effort, which causes issues with self esteem and eventually leads to family destruction.

Of course to some the United Order could look like Socialism, but it is far from it. We are not compelled, we are desirous to do it. Those who do not want to participate, do not have to. I hope this makes more sense.

I also admit that I do not have much hope in my fellowman outside of the gospel. My husband's co-workers actually put him down for being a hard worker. Saying that he can just kick back and not produce as much, then the work will last longer and they will get more overtime etc etc. They don't understand why my husband wants to give his best efforts in all that he does.

I will tell you why. When a man is doing all that he can, he feels successful. When he could not get another job because it would not cover the state assistance we were getting, we realized that we were in a trap, that was designed to keep us down. We determined it was better to be self-reliant and live much more frugally, then to live off the efforts of others while kickin' back at home. (And those others often talked about how much they resented having money taken from them to pay for our children's education or food or whatever). Well, Now they aren't. And even though he are in much more humble circumstances then we were before, we are happy. We feel that peace. We still have to repent for past mistakes, we are still learning, but for me it is a HUGE accomplishment. My entire childhood survival was through the support of the state.. I didn't know anything else.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

Elder Harold B. Lee


Elder Harold B. Lee, Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles

The length of time that has elapsed since the April Conference has only served to impress upon me the sacredness of the position I am now called to occupy. I am therefore dependent upon the Spirit of our Heavenly Father today, and pray for an interest in your faith and prayers.

I wish that I would have known all about this when I was young, a teen even.

It is a great talk, and basically is another witness of what I have been feeling.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

The way we work together today is based upon the false concept of the purpose of life.

If that false concept could be seen for what it is, then we could rid ourselves of so much of the lies that our world is based upon.

The false concept of the purpose of life. Author Satan:

You are material. You will die. Now that you are depressed, Satan will show you the way. Give Satan your simple faith. Follow the Orthodox man. False safety and security via a destruction of your will. You die because you cannot progress, work slows or stops.

The true concept of the purpose of life.

You are energy. You will live. Now that you are enlivened, Christ will show you the way. Look to our Savior, seek as an equal. Follow the Prophet. Your children will be raised up without sin unto salvation. You never die, your work becomes part of Moses 3:7, forever.

We wish to work together. In the division of labor of this world there is something that each of us can do for ourselves and each other.

People of the earth generally recognize the benefit of the division of labor. The constant issue among those among whom the labor is divided.

But who shall have the “power?”

There has to be direction to the labor. “Who shall direct it?”

This “power” comes out as the word, “force.”

This “power” of which we speak is “the right to force people.”

In the eyes of the part of mankind experienced in work, it is an impossibility for people to work together without “power” ― “the right to force people.”

But, people who are forced to work are SLAVES!

With one exception.

And what is that?

That is if, in our work together, I FORCE ME AND YOU FORCE YOU!!!

That is what, as we shall now see, has been “Law” for as far back as we have record of it. It is an immediately attractive concept at first glance. It becomes more so as it is investigated. However, as we will also now see, you and I will be called upon to each force ourselves, all by ourselves, if we wish to open up the way to the enjoyment of its benefits.

The answer to how to work together by the Law, has been the search of mankind, restarted every time Satan convinces man that he is no Devil.

Thomas Jefferson was looking for it, the Founding Fathers were looking for it, Cleon Skousen was looking for it. Are you looking for it.

How do I find it.

Look.

But how can I do any better then Thomas Jefferson or Cleon Skousen?

You have something in the way of research tools that they didn’t have.

God has given us a new tool to look, that has only been available in this most recent generation. It fails in comparison to a Urim and Thummim, but this new tool operates on the same principle as the Urim and Thummim.

What is this new tool?

The Internet.

The Internet is destroying the power base of tyrants across the globe, it is destroying the power base of Satan. It is supplying intelligence.

The glory of God is intelligence.

Intelligence is the ability to know, “the faculty of understanding.”

Yes we can save the constitution, we will save the constitution by fulfilling our destiny of showing the world how to work together by the Law.

Work Together By The Law!

God Bless,
Darren

I have to laugh, because suddenly you are making sense. It is not a whole bunch of gibberish, it is actually getting clearer. Of course this(the Gibberish) is due to my feeble mind, and nothing you have said .....

This also gives a whole new meaning for the word "work force" and entering the "work force".... WOW

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I would highly recommend reading The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People and the other books by Steven R. Covey. Bruce Wydner and Steven R. Covey had a common friend. Steven R. Covey started digesting the information available from the Success Motivation Institute through their common friend, that shows such valuable information as how to make a personal constitution, a constitution of the master mind group, and how to work together via principles of the gospel. Much of what Steven R. Covey was inspired from was the works of Napoleon Hill, so I would also suggest that you study his works.

Working together by the Law is working together by the principles of our Anglo/Saxon/Germanic ancestors, it is how our ancestors worked together by the gospel. Steven R. Covey found it, and very successfully shares it. Napoleon Hill found it, and very successfully shared it. Bruce Wydner found it, and is trying to share it, his successes are in front of us. I found it and I joined with these men who have found it, and I am sharing it, and laying up my treasures in heaven, but I sense a far weightier potential coming, being on the edge of Zion. Keep looking as you may be the next success story. Eventually enough of us will wake up and we will get down to the business of Zion. By Working Together By The Law.

God Bless,
Darren

I think that I might have that book! Covey's. I am so far behind on my book list too... I am trying to read through the Standard Works in addition to a list of books.. I have well over 70 on that list already.

My eyes are sore!

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

One thing that I want to add is that we give willingly to those who cannot work like the infirm, the widow and orphan and the institutionalized. We do not have a problem with this because we can outwardly see their weakness.

But all are given weakness and often that manifests itself in ways that are not easy to see. If we are possessed with charity and seek not to judge but to serve our fellow man (good Samaritan), then we would have all the real social security a society could ever need.

In Nauvoo they built a house of entertainment of strangers by command. Why can we not extend that same hospitality to the bottom wrung as we do to the top? The whole have no need of a physician.

If Zion came today and we to it, we would have just as much problem with the poor receiving of the surplus as we do with them receiving of the surplus now. Both systems provide for it. I do not suppose that one who continually withheld his surplus in Zion would remain in his stewardship long.

Obviously in Zion that surplus is decided upon by the individual in counsel with his Bishop and not by the IRS. That will make a difference, but looking to our history of consecration as a church, we never had a surplus, no one ever had a surplus, so there has got to be more charity, and hopefully not more compulsion.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

One thing that I want to add is that we give willingly to those who cannot work like the infirm, the widow and orphan and the institutionalized. We do not have a problem with this because we can outwardly see their weakness.

But all are given weakness and often that manifests itself in ways that are not easy to see. If we are possessed with charity and seek not to judge but to serve our fellow man (good Samaritan), then we would have all the real social security a society could ever need.

In Nauvoo they built a house of entertainment of strangers by command. Why can we not extend that same hospitality to the bottom wrung as we do to the top? The whole have no need of a physician.

If Zion came today and we to it, we would have just as much problem with the poor receiving of the surplus as we do with them receiving of the surplus now. Both systems provide for it. I do not suppose that one who continually withheld his surplus in Zion would remain in his stewardship long.

Obviously in Zion that surplus is decided upon by the individual in counsel with his Bishop and not by the IRS. That will make a difference, but looking to our history of consecration as a church, we never had a surplus, no one ever had a surplus, so there has got to be more charity, and hopefully not more compulsion.

Exactly.

I still give even though others consider me to be poor. I feel happier that way. We find a way in addition to fast offerings, because we feel that it is missionary work really. So when our non-member neighbors are having surgeries, babies, whatever it is, I take meals into them, I try to help them find resources or whatever I can to help them during those struggles.

That would be so awesome to have a what did you call it?

"a house of entertainment of strangers by command."

I would love to work in a place like that, serving the stranger, the new comer whatever.. I would LOVE that!!

I love that our ward is all new now that we have reorganized the boundaries, it is like starting all over again with serving and everything. I like to do it anonymously if possible, but I dunno, I just love serving. I look for opportunities that I can, even if it is to give a hug. Some days I literally wear myself out doing it, but the blessings, WOW! That is all I can say.

[Richard T. Osborne]

The main reason the U.S. Constitution is considered to be divine is simply that it created a virtual political anarchy in which the Church could be restored and function in a sovereign way, without outside interference.

The Constitution does not prescribe or define a way of life, but rather allows the people the freedom to live however they choose. Living on communes cannot hardly be considered as "saving the Constitution".

The purpose of the first amendment is not to protect the government from religion, but rather to protect organized religion from governmental interference. Separation is thus a blessing to the Church.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

The constitution is divine because it is close to being the perfect foundation for human government.

The constitution is the underpinning of the true celestial order of government. Correct that it is not a stand alone in achieving that order, but don't discount the nature of the necessary united order and consecration that will bring that true order about.

Do you discount the united order and law of consecration?

[Richard T. Osborne]

The constitution is divine because it is close to being the perfect foundation for human government.

The constitution is the underpinning of the true celestial order of government. Correct that it is not a stand alone in achieving that order, but don't discount the nature of the necessary united order and consecration that will bring that true order about.

Do you discount the united order and law of consecration?

Go back and read my post again, only this time pay attention to what you read.

Under the Constitution, the Church is free to set up whatever Order it chooses. The Constitution itself is not the United Order nor does it prescribe the United Order for the citizenry. To save, therefore, the Constitution, one has but to restore the principles of free choice that have been taken away from us by the political Left. Then, the Church can set up whatever system it wants.

[Richard T. Osborne]

Darren

Now is the time to save the constitution by the principles of the true "-ISM" of the Anglo/Saxon/Germanic Communes (the United Order.)

The Anglo/Saxon/Germanic Communes (be careful or you will be branded a white supremacist) that you identify as the United Order found their fulfillment in Nazi Germany. I write, of course, of the real Nazi Germany, not the version espoused by the political Left. God sent Hitler to show us the way. People like Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, and Heber J. Grant liked Hitler, the real Hitler, Adolf Heidler. He was a great populist leader who saved Germany from Communism. What a pity his name and work has been so effectively slandered. There are many Latter-day Saints, however, who are coming around to the truth.

Joseph Smith was a national socialist and his regime in Nauvoo was a crowning success. He was martyred as was Nazi Germany for the sake of the truth.

I'm glad that you are fond of our ancestral Germanic villages and village life. But it wasn't communal in the Marxist sense. It was nationalism. God made of one flesh all nations to dwell on the earth and the bounds of their habitation. (Acts 17:26)

[Richard T. Osborne]

LoveChrist

I share your concerns. This land will be saved but only after it has been cleansed from the wicked who infest it. Liberals, humanists, sex perverts, mongrelizers who would soil the holy seed of Israel (see Ezra 9: 1,2), etc. This cleansing will occur as a result of World War III.

The armies of Gog and Magog will then be defeated by the power of the priesthood in a miraculous way, as Moses led the Israelites out from Egypt. Then, some of the Saints will return to Missouri to re-establish Zion there. After the Savior returns and the earth has been restored to its terrestrial state, the United Order will then be established.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Go back and read my post again, only this time pay attention to what you read.

My response was not contradicting that point, nor contending with it, rather pointing out the true divine nature of the Constitution as not being wholly vested in the churches initial restoration. The culmination of that divinity will only be expressed in Zion. That was my point.

mongrelizers who would soil the holy seed of Israel

If a White man goes through the temple and is thus the seed of Israel (either way) and a black woman does the same, and is thus either of the seed of Israel through birth or adoption, and the two are therein sealed in marriage under the new and everlasting covenant, in your opinion does that meet your criteria for the mongrelization that you detest? Is it wrong in your estimation? Why or why not?

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

The way I see it if a person that was not born into Israel later becomes Israel through adoption, then that person is on the same ground as any other regardless of yesterday.

That being the case no reliance upon the doctrine of pre-mortal valiance is warranted, it has become a moot point.

That goes for those born out of the covenant in any capacity. It just doesn't matter after they have accepted the gospel. The attendant blessings are all theirs. They have as much claim on every single blessing as you or I or anyone. Every last one.

We are what we choose to be here in mortality and we are not yet at the judgment bar. No one may judge the final tally until it has been taken and trumpeted.

[Richard T. Osborne]

Go back and read my post again, only this time pay attention to what you read.

My response was not contradicting that point, nor contending with it, rather pointing out the true divine nature of the Constitution as not being wholly vested in the churches initial restoration. The culmination of that divinity will only be expressed in Zion. That was my point.

mongrelizers who would soil the holy seed of Israel

If a White man goes through the temple and is thus the seed of Israel (either way) and a black woman does the same, and is thus either of the seed of Israel through birth or adoption, and the two are therein sealed in marriage under the new and everlasting covenant, in your opinion does that meet your criteria for the mongrelization that you detest? Is it wrong in your estimation? Why or why not?

Fact: Church Authorities discourage inter-racial marriages between blacks and whites.

Opinion: Any white man that would marry a Ubangi woman is an idiot and in dire need of psychiatric help.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

I would have dodged the question too! Nice tact.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

You know the reasons for discouraging it are cultural, not doctrinal. It tends to put added strain on the couple when racist loons come out of the woodwork to oppose the thing most precious to them!