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Today I listened to the mainstream news discuss a study on dangerous germs and bacteria transmitted through "dirty" money that, in some parts of the world, people carry in the dirtiest parts of their body. As we enter the final stages of the Financial Collapse, people are arguing over inflation vs. deflation. I would argue that the correct choice is none of the above.


1. The problem with paper money is that you cannot control financial transactions. The New World Order wants to be able to control who "buys and sells".

2. The next step is not a global currency. It is an implant. A microchip, that will be inserted into your arm by injection.

3. An implant will allow the Satanic Psychopaths to monitor everything about you. What you buy, what you sell, how often you go to the bathroom, what you eat, etc.

4. A series of police raids will make sure that you have nothing more, or less, than what is recorded on your microchip.

5. You will be issued a monthly amount of "credits" based on your relative value to the Satanists. These will be non-transferable.

6. Ultimately, they will monitor your homes, your cars, etc., under the auspices of fighting "global terrorism". You will not be able to bring anything into your home, or out of your home, without them knowing about it.

7. You will be issued a list of things you can buy, and a list of those things that are prohibited, based on your social class. They will control your diet, your bad habits, your access to necessary medications. These "reforms" will be sold as "public health" decrees.

8. Try to buy something you don't have a right to own, and you will be penalized "credits" or worse, labeled a "Terrorist" and targeted for extinction..

9. When you have outlived your usefulness, you will be terminated, with your "credits" transferring to your legal heirs upon your demise. This exception will be made so that your beaten down family will not mourn your death.


Now for the Illuminati game plan.

1. Use derivatives, bad loans and Federal bail-outs to transfer all of our wealth to the Banksters. They have been converting this money to gold and silver through the World Bank. In essence, robbing us of our real wealth, which is gold and silver.

2. Keep the stock indexes up, by dumping freshly minted money into the markets. The Satanic Psychopaths have been doing this for years. The stock market is what everyone looks at as a measure of the state of our economy.

3. After everything else is in their names, the Banksters will collapse the market by dumping their stock holdings and purchasing Put Options. It is a win-win for them.

4. The silver and gold markets are being manipulated through non-existent holdings. It is estimated that they are selling contracts on 100 ounces of precious metal for every real ounce that exists in their possession. When this house of cards collapses both silver and gold will be unavailable for purchase or cost prohibitive for those that want "in".

4. World War III will be a "negotiated" war, with preselected targets, based on the Illuminati Agenda in the East and West. This will come at the same time as the financial collapse to distract and demoralize the people. It has been prophesied that this war will kill 1/3 of the inhabitants on this earth.


Our Solution:

1. Convert all of your extra dollars, Euros, etc., into Gold and Silver. There will be two societies that emerge from this coming disaster. One that will exist through sound Constitutional principals (which states that ONLY gold and silver are legal tender), and one that exists under the Illuminati Psychopaths.

2. Buy enough food for a 1 year supply. Buy water filtration devices. Buy guns and ammo.

3. Stock up on Holistic Medicines like Allicin C, which have been proven effective in killing most biological agents in the Psychopaths' arsenal (including plague, small-pox and anthrax). Their have been many visions and dreams that predict this happening as a prelude to World War III.

4. Be prepared to relocate your families to a "safe" community where they are able to exist and prosper "off the grid". I recommend the Amish, or the Mormons. The Amish are already there. The Mormons will be, once the Satanic Psychopathic political and corporate influences are removed by God's hand, not man's. This will also happen in the very near future.

5. Pray every day, morning, noon, and night for God to protect you and your family's Liberty from the forces of evil.

6. Follow God's laws and remove pornography, sexual deviancy, theft, dishonesty, greed and other issues from your lives. This will be a requirement for your ultimate survival.

You don't have as much time as you think.


Paul Drockton

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Global.Currency.html

Good luck with that gold and silver....

Jason wrote:Good luck with that gold and silver....

gotta go with Jason on this one, or rather, with Brigham young and

The time will come that gold will hold no comparison in value to a bushel of wheat. Gold is not to be compared with it in value. Why would it be precious to you now? Simply because you could get gold for it? Gold is good for nothing, only as men value it. It is no better than a piece of iron, a piece of limestone, or a piece of sandstone, and it is not half so good as the soil from which we raise our wheat, and other necessaries of life. The children of men love it, they lust after it, are greedy for it, and are ready to destroy themselves, and those around them, over whom they have any influence, to gain it” (Journal of Discourses, 1:, p.250).

I don't believe gold will be all that valuable during the cleansing of America, or after, in Zion. I can't see a Zion people, who "have all things in common" being terribly concerned with gold.

yes! thank you! i've been thinking along the same lines (gold is not going to be worth what people say it is) and for the same reasons. Why would it matter anyway? We won't need it to build God's kingdom when things hit the fan.

I agree with years supply of food. the guns, imho are a personal thing. I'd like to have it, but not everyone will, and the Lord has commanded specifically food storage and necessities.

what happens if the Lord tells us to leave our weapons behind? that would be hard for me to do. But if it came from the Lord or the leaders of the church I would do it because I would know for a fact that God would provide a way.

as for the microchip, I agree. there is no way that the world currency would be paper or coins. costs too much, can be reproduced, etc.

guess i need to learn to hack into those chips, muahaha.

im going to make a new post about a question spawning from this discussion.

Actually I think gold and silver would look wonderful on and in the Temple in the new Jerusalem.

If you want a lot of silver, Revelations says that a quart of wheat will be worth a Denarius (roughly a one ounce silver coin that equated to a days wages for a Roman soldier). Sounds like the smart money is on wheat. I try to have a liuttle precious metals as well as a little cash on hand for a crisis, but the food clothing etc is the real temporal wealth.

Did I really see a "Paul Drockton" reference here on the forum, or was it just my imagination?

Mosby wrote:Did I really see a "Paul Drockton" reference here on the forum, or was it just my imagination?

Mosby wrote:Did I really see a "Paul Drockton" reference here on the forum, or was it just my imagination?

There will be a window when Gold and Silver will be very useful in surviving the coming collapse. After that it will be very useful in temple building and manufacturing for the saints. Gold and silver will always have a use and will always hold its value except when there is no food to eat. Just get your beans bullets and band aids and after that worry about gold and silver as far as temporal things are concerned.

Mosby do I sense a Joe Cannon lover here or just a propaganda believer? On no wait, you must have been one of the ones that made off with Geneva's millions in stolen retirement funds eh?

Little Lion- good to see you back, it's been a while....

Hey I'm on board with gold and silver, just remembering lots of antics with "Paul Drockton" on this forum - and his many aliases

BTW- are you Paul Drockton?

Jason wrote:Good luck with that gold and silver....

Thanks but I really don't need luck. It works great for me.

Mosby wrote:BTW- are you Paul Drockton?

Nah, Never heard of the guy til I saw some of his stuff on rense a few months back. Since you mentioned his name in this thread I looked at all the references to him on this forum. It seems nobody is really sure who or what he is, just a lot of speculation. Unless of course you get ole buddy Mark to do an investigation on him from whatever information Brian gives him. Then you'll know for sure that your speculations are correct!

Yeah, I'm not really back, to many close minded people in this group. But thanks anyway and good to see you also.

Wiikwajio wrote:

Jason wrote:Good luck with that gold and silver....

Thanks but I really don't need luck. It works great for me.

What can you make with it? What can you buy with it? ....especially when the chips are down.

The only purpose I see for gold and silver is with electricity......or perhaps if you plan on leaving the country and want to package your wealth in a small tight bundle.....and don't plan on swimming during your escape....that said its still a gamble in terms of value at your destination.

Jason wrote:
What can you make with it?

Roads. The roads in the Kingdom of God will be paved with it.

Your over all point I agree with though Jason. Food and shelter is what it is all about.

I would say it is all about family and figuring out how to do it together and what you need to make your family succeed. Then it is about food and shelter. A family that can work,play, Pray, cry and laugh together is what will make things succeed when the crap hits the fan.

Mahonri wrote:

Jason wrote:
What can you make with it?

Roads. The roads in the Kingdom of God will be paved with it.

Your over all point I agree with though Jason. Food and shelter is what it is all about.

Which why would you pave the roads with it unless there is some sort of electrical benefit.....

Geeswell wrote:what happens if the Lord tells us to leave our weapons behind? that would be hard for me to do. But if it came from the Lord or the leaders of the church I would do it because I would know for a fact that God would provide a way.

Guns are no fun. I want to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZllR44gdA

Jason wrote:Good luck with that gold and silver....

In your opinion what would the situation have to be before gold and silver were worthless?

LittleLion wrote:

Jason wrote:Good luck with that gold and silver....

In your opinion what would the situation have to be before gold and silver were worthless?

If I understand your question correctly....you are asking what would have to happen in order for gold and silver to become worthless.....or perhaps much reduced value below current levels.

A hyper-deflationary spiral would put a serious downdraft on gold and silver which are currently buoyed up by a tremendous amount of speculation.

In terms of becoming worthless.....all out survival scenario. Complete collapse of the infrastructure.....or implementation of a new government with its own currency that was not gold/silver backed....which could be NWO or Zion depending on how you see the scenarios evolving.....or timing thereof.

Jason wrote:A hyper-deflationary spiral would put a serious downdraft on gold and silver which are currently buoyed up by a tremendous amount of speculation.

A quick look at hyper deflation or inflation as they relate to G/S and both produce the same results. An ounce of gold or silver will still buy the same goods either way. Deflation: Everything is deflated, but you can still buy the same suit of cloths, pair of shoes, belt, tie, smart tie tack and cuff links with an ounce of gold as you could when things were normal. Hyperinflation same thing. The only thing different in these two scenarios is the amount of FRN's you can get for your ounce. Gold/silver will always remain on an even keel with all the other commodities but it has the added advantage of being a commodity AND a store of wealth. It has been this way since Adam and Eve. It is not going to change unless food/water are non existent. No matter what some fool in charge says the value of G/S is, any merchant will still take precious metals in trade for his merchandise, even if the prevailing tyrannical law says it is illegal to do so.

Hyper-deflation, cash is king, Hyper-inflation cash is worthless, but in both scenarios, G/S buys the same amount of commodities it did when normal times prevailed. This will still be the case in almost any scenario you can name. Except, when food/water are not to be found, then all bets are off.

Taking G/S with you, as you are able, will only help your situation down the road if/when times get better. Always be squared away spiritually first, get your beans, bullets and band aids second, THEN precious metals last, as you are able. Most people will not have the first two let alone the last one.

LittleLion wrote:

Jason wrote:A hyper-deflationary spiral would put a serious downdraft on gold and silver which are currently buoyed up by a tremendous amount of speculation.

A quick look at hyper deflation or inflation as they relate to G/S and both produce the same results. An ounce of gold or silver will still buy the same goods either way. Deflation: Everything is deflated, but you can still buy the same suit of cloths, pair of shoes, belt, tie, smart tie tack and cuff links with an ounce of gold as you could when things were normal. Hyperinflation same thing. The only thing different in these two scenarios is the amount of FRN's you can get for your ounce. Gold/silver will always remain on an even keel with all the other commodities but it has the added advantage of being a commodity AND a store of wealth. It has been this way since Adam and Eve. It is not going to change unless food/water are non existent. No matter what some fool in charge says the value of G/S is, any merchant will still take precious metals in trade for his merchandise, even if the prevailing tyrannical law says it is illegal to do so.

Hyper-deflation, cash is king, Hyper-inflation cash is worthless, but in both scenarios, G/S buys the same amount of commodities it did when normal times prevailed. This will still be the case in almost any scenario you can name. Except, when food/water are not to be found, then all bets are off.

Taking G/S with you, as you are able, will only help your situation down the road if/when times get better. Always be squared away spiritually first, get your beans, bullets and band aids second, THEN precious metals last, as you are able. Most people will not have the first two let alone the last one.

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LOL Nice twist. Like saying an ounce of wheat will always get you the same amount of goods and its only the amount of FRN's that change......or substitute wheat for tulips!

Reality is gold/silver do not remain on an even keel and are subject to change (supply/demand - speculation/gaming) just like all the rest of the commodities/goods/assets/FRN's/etc.

“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.” – John F. Kennedy

When it takes more FRN's to obtain commodities....what that really means is your labor isn't as valuable. Otherwise FRN's would go up at the same rate as the commodities and it would be an even swap. Deflation can be just as wicked or more wicked since the return for labor drops ahead of the prices for commodities/goods. Meanwhile the relative value/burden of the debt multiplies rapidly......and you will pay the debt....either through the benefits of your daily labor or through the return of your assets.

The only escape is anarchy and that is no real escape since you then have no protection for property or wealth so it may actually be better to be a slave in the system and live with some resemblance of security rather than running for your life. Of course that is what the big boys are betting the wealthy will decide and help them enforce with the iron fist. Iron fist works only as long as you can feed the people at least a meal or two a day.

You left out the gun scenario to go with your food/water scarcity. Why give you goods for your gold when one can just take your gold? Ask Nephi about how that exchange went.....

.....precious metals are dead last! Only useful as a hedge for storage of wealth.....not guaranteed but with a fairly strong historical track record. Not an investment or means of acquiring wealth....except upon pure speculation...and ending up on the lucky side of the bet. Not a means of production. Simply value storage and useful for transferring large amounts of wealth in small packages.

You left out production.....equipment/machinery/animals/ground-gardens/etc etc etc that comes after the beans, bullets and band aids....if not before! If you have the production ability....the beans, bullets, and band aids aren't a problem.....and when in short supply you'll get a premium giving you plenty of excess to speculate in things like "precious" metals (my precious) and shiny rocks.

Also a little water to wash down the beans and clean up for the band aids also helps.

Any preparations one makes should be considered insurance. You buy insurance to guard you through an unexpected calamity. Wheat, cash, gold, bullets, TP, matches, are all insurance for unforeseen scenarios. To counsel someone to not have cash or gold is irresponsible for no one knows how the journey to Zion will unfold. If I had followed Brighams advice when gold was $100/oz 30 years ago, I'd feeding my entire investment to the chickens instead a portion of it like I am now. Diversity is wise insurance policy.

I do not believe there will be a complete meltdown and destruction of civilization. We will not go back to an agrarian society. God will not allow the total destruction of technology, the tools of our generation and civilization. It's fantasy to think otherwise. If that scenario were real, the Lord would be preparing his people to that end. He would guide the church to adopt the ways of the Amish. But he doesn't. He has built his kingdom with the technology of our generation and will continue to establish his kingdom after Zion by building and improving upon what we have received. It is quite possible that inspired technology, coupled with righteousness, will allow us to create the promised paradise of the millennium.

Even Zion will have a medium of exchange to allow specialization of labor. Why not g/s? Gold may be Zions financial interface with the gentile world to buy raw materials not available in this land. Our leaders may have a strategic use for our consecrated gold different than our wheat. I would not be quick to discount it's insurance value.

I think this could be relevant to this conversation

chapter 47 of Genesis vs 13-17

13 ¶ And there was no bread in all the land; for the afamine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

14 And Joseph gathered up all the amoney that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us abread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

16 And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.

17 And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

It makes perfect sense to me why money simply would not be all that desirable. you can't eat money and live, and when money isn't buying anything because of scarcity your "money" is whatever you can barter with that people want or need to simply LIVE.

Geeswell wrote:I think this could be relevant to this conversation

chapter 47 of Genesis vs 13-17

13 ¶ And there was no bread in all the land; for the afamine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

14 And Joseph gathered up all the amoney that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us abread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

16 And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.

17 And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

It makes perfect sense to me why money simply would not be all that desirable. you can't eat money and live, and when money isn't buying anything because of scarcity your "money" is whatever you can barter with that people want or need to simply LIVE.

Amen! Which then brings one back to food storage, water, and after those basic necessity items are provided......then obtain a means of producing items that your family and others will need. That could be food, electricity/energy, clothing, etc....gold/silver in the absolute best case scenario will simply be used as a means of exchange. The worst case scenario is its just bits and pieces of worthless metal.....at least until we revise and expand our electrical grid.

Carlos wrote:Any preparations one makes should be considered insurance. You buy insurance to guard you through an unexpected calamity. Wheat, cash, gold, bullets, TP, matches, are all insurance for unforeseen scenarios. To counsel someone to not have cash or gold is irresponsible for no one knows how the journey to Zion will unfold. If I had followed Brighams advice when gold was $100/oz 30 years ago, I'd feeding my entire investment to the chickens instead a portion of it like I am now. Diversity is wise insurance policy.

I do not believe there will be a complete meltdown and destruction of civilization. We will not go back to an agrarian society. God will not allow the total destruction of technology, the tools of our generation and civilization. It's fantasy to think otherwise. If that scenario were real, the Lord would be preparing his people to that end. He would guide the church to adopt the ways of the Amish. But he doesn't. He has built his kingdom with the technology of our generation and will continue to establish his kingdom after Zion by building and improving upon what we have received. It is quite possible that inspired technology, coupled with righteousness, will allow us to create the promised paradise of the millennium.

Even Zion will have a medium of exchange to allow specialization of labor. Why not g/s? Gold may be Zions financial interface with the gentile world to buy raw materials not available in this land. Our leaders may have a strategic use for our consecrated gold different than our wheat. I would not be quick to discount it's insurance value.

FYI - diversification is a protection strategy. You have to have already accumulated the wealth prior to trying to diversify to protect it. No one gets wealthy by diversifying. 99.9% of the people are leveraged out and don't have the wealth to even consider diversifying. If you happen to be one of the .1% then by all means get your gold and silver (if you call that diversification). But you do a great disservice to your fellow man when you recommend something the vast majority have no business playing with and should instead be focused on getting out of debt.....which also happens to be the prophetic counsel given for the past 50 to 100 years.