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Then let's promote more war then. The Gospel will spread, medical advancements will skyrocket, we can spread democracy....

buffalo_girl wrote:

Then let's promote more war then. The Gospel will spread, medical advancements will skyrocket, we can spread democracy....

How much more advanced would we be spiritually and temporally without war?

I agree with Alex Jones in his definition of 'democracy': "democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what to eat for lunch."

What we want is rule of law - law being God's Law.

I honestly do not believe the only way for civilization to advance is through war. Of course, we must make the best of the worst situations in life. I'm just not sure the Lord wants us to go so far out of our way to create 'worst situations' just to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Somehow that doesn't make much sense.

buffalo_girl wrote:AJ may well be an idiot. Thanks for the correct source.

I knew you were being sarcastic. Sometimes that's the only thing left. Otherwise we might become totally unhinged.

Dr. Firmage, professor of law at the University of Utah, has published articles in leading law reviews on international law, arms control, and the United Nations. A former White House Fellow, he is now visiting scholar to the United Nations and will attend the twenty-five-nation arms control negotiations in Geneva in March. He is presently serving on the University Second Stake high council in Salt Lake City.

Though the scriptures speak of the last days in terms of wars, pestilence, and devastation, it does not follow that our duty to oppose conflict is lessened. The injunction from the Master is to maintain personal righteousness and to work for its propagation. To argue that since war is inevitable, we have no duty to seek honorable and peaceful alternatives is the epitome of illogic, just as would be the proposition that since evil will triumph in the short run, we should join the winning team. Both propositions contain the same non sequitur.

Brigham Young once observed: “Of one thing I am sure: God never institutes war; God is not the author of confusion or of war; they are the results of the acts of children of men. Confusion and war necessarily come as the results of the foolish acts and policy of men; but they do not come because God desires they should come.”

Other weapons systems include chemical weapons, from blister and blood gases to anticrop and antivegetation chemicals and psychic poisons capable of producing temporary or permanent schizophrenia. Biological weapons include those resulting in bubonic and pneumonic plagues, anthrax, smallpox, and Rocky Mountain spotted fever, with genetic mutations to organisms to insure that vaccines given as civil defense will be of no use. Delivery systems are sufficient to affect large portions of the populations of nations.

Weapons systems of the near future may include geophysical techniques to alter weather, cause earthquakes or drought, and perhaps alter the nature of the atmosphere.

Shabako wrote:Satan is the author of war, but does not understand the mind of God. Satan constantly gives lemons, and God constantly makes lemonade. Perhaps that is not the best analogy, but the Lord can always use Satan's actions against him. Satan creates war by stirring up anger and hatred in the minds of men, but the Lord can still use those horrible circumstances to bring about good.

Mahonri wrote: yes, and too many members use that lemonade to promote war

shadow wrote:

Mahonri wrote: yes, and too many members use that lemonade to promote war

I don't see it and I certainly haven't seen it in the Ensign.
The biggest reason a member might be for war is because they believe it's for our own defense, that the boogey men in other countries are going to take us out unless we take them out first. That's what's been sold to us.

I have yet to see an article in the Ensign promoting war and I've been looking in my spare time today. Have you??

Mahonri wrote: As for the Ensign, I was just told about it and started this thread to see if anyone knew what it was. One example was given above.

JerL wrote:

Though the scriptures speak of the last days in terms of wars, pestilence, and devastation, it does not follow that our duty to oppose conflict is lessened. The injunction from the Master is to maintain personal righteousness and to work for its propagation. To argue that since war is inevitable, we have no duty to seek honorable and peaceful alternatives is the epitome of illogic, just as would be the proposition that since evil will triumph in the short run, we should join the winning team. Both propositions contain the same non sequitur.

Brigham Young once observed: “Of one thing I am sure: God never institutes war; God is not the author of confusion or of war; they are the results of the acts of children of men. Confusion and war necessarily come as the results of the foolish acts and policy of men; but they do not come because God desires they should come.”

shadow wrote:Wars have helped spread the gospel, that's a fact, but it doesn't mean the Ensign or the church promotes war.

Mahonri wrote:not what I asked. thanks though

Mahonri wrote:Someone told me it did, so I was asking the question if anyone knew if there was an article that could be construed in that manner. That's all