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liberty wrote:It is my understanding that last Sunday President Monson and 8 apostles were present at the organizing of the Far West 1st Ward. President Monson was noted as having said first a ward, then a stake, then a temple. It was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the ground of Far West was holy and the Saints were commanded to build a temple there.The temple cornerstones were laid on July 4, 1838, but it was never constructed due to opposition by the local Missourians.

liberty wrote:It is my understanding that last Sunday President Monson and 8 apostles were present at the organizing of the Far West 1st Ward. President Monson was noted as having said first a ward, then a stake, then a temple. It was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the ground of Far West was holy and the Saints were commanded to build a temple there.The temple cornerstones were laid on July 4, 1838, but it was never constructed due to opposition by the local Missourians.

p51-mustang wrote:

liberty wrote:It is my understanding that last Sunday President Monson and 8 apostles were present at the organizing of the Far West 1st Ward. President Monson was noted as having said first a ward, then a stake, then a temple. It was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the ground of Far West was holy and the Saints were commanded to build a temple there.The temple cornerstones were laid on July 4, 1838, but it was never constructed due to opposition by the local Missourians.

I was never constructed due to opposition by local missourians, and this is why it will be swept clean te second time around!

lost ark wrote:The Far West Ward is in my stake. It was organized a couple months ago.

We sure as heck did not hear anything about President Monson or any apostles being here! I somewhat suspect if anything had been said about a stake or a temple, we would have heard about it by now.

DrJones wrote:Well said, Bob.

lost ark wrote:The Far West Ward is in my stake. It was organized a couple months ago.

We sure as heck did not hear anything about President Monson or any apostles being here! I somewhat suspect if anything had been said about a stake or a temple, we would have heard about it by now.

Contrasted with post #1, shows how the "Mormon rumor mill" works....(IMO)... funny!

bobhenstra wrote:

p51-mustang wrote:

liberty wrote:It is my understanding that last Sunday President Monson and 8 apostles were present at the organizing of the Far West 1st Ward. President Monson was noted as having said first a ward, then a stake, then a temple. It was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the ground of Far West was holy and the Saints were commanded to build a temple there.The temple cornerstones were laid on July 4, 1838, but it was never constructed due to opposition by the local Missourians.

I was never constructed due to opposition by local missourians, and this is why it will be swept clean te second time around!

The "swept clean" prophecy was fulfilled during the Kansas Missouri war after the saints were forced out and left for Utah. Its sometimes connected with the Civil War, but was actually a separate war between Kansas and Missouri. The Saints arrived in Utah in 1847, the Kansas Missouri war started big in 1854. There's a lot of information about it on the web. Here's one site.

http://www.millersparanormalresearch.co ... er_War.htm

Bob

bobhenstra wrote:The whole country will be swept clean of the wicked (Parable of the Wheat and the Tares). But the prophecy your talking about was fulfilled with the Kansas Missouri war. There's a lot of information about that war, a great study in how the Lord punishes those who offend his people.

Bob

General Order No. 11 is the title of a Union Army decree issued during the American Civil War on 25 August 1863, forcing the evacuation of rural areas in four counties in western Missouri.
The order, issued by Union General Thomas Ewing, affected all rural residents regardless of their loyalty. Those who could prove their loyalty to the Union were permitted to stay in the region, but had to leave their farms and move to communities near military outposts. Those who could not do so had to vacate the area altogether.

General Order № 11.
Headquarters District of the Border,
Kansas City, August 25, 1863.
1. All persons living in Jackson, Cass, and Bates counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon included in this district, except those living within one mile of the limits of Independence, Hickman's Mills, Pleasant Hill, and Harrisonville, and except those in that part of Kaw Township, Jackson County, north of Brush Creek and west of Big Blue, are hereby ordered to remove from their present places of residence within fifteen days from the date hereof.
Those who within that time establish their loyalty to the satisfaction of the commanding officer of the military station near their present place of residence will receive from him a certificate stating the fact of their loyalty, and the names of the witnesses by whom it can be shown. All who receive such certificates will be permitted to remove to any military station in this district, or to any part of the State of Kansas, except the counties of the eastern border of the State. All others shall remove out of the district. Officers commanding companies and detachments serving in the counties named will see that this paragraph is promptly obeyed.
2. All grain and hay in the field or under shelter, in the district from which inhabitants are required to remove, within reach of military stations after the 9th day of September next, will be taken to such stations and turned over to the proper officers there and report of the amount so turned over made to district headquarters, specifying the names of all loyal owners and amount of such product taken from them. All grain and hay found in such district after the 9th day of September next, not convenient to such stations, will be destroyed.
3. The provisions of General Order No. 10 from these headquarters will be at once vigorously executed by officers commanding in the parts of the district and at the station not subject to the operations of paragraph 1 of this order, and especially the towns of Independence, Westport and Kansas City.
4. Paragraph 3, General Order No. 10 is revoked as to all who have borne arms against the Government in the district since the 20th day of August, 1863.
By order of Brigadier General Ewing.
H. Hannahs, Adjt.-Gen'l.

Ewing ordered his troops not to engage in looting or other depredations, but he was simply unable to control them. Most were Kansas volunteers who regarded all Missourians as "rebels" to be punished. Animals and farm property were stolen or destroyed; houses, barns and outbuildings burned to the ground. The four counties became a devastated "no-man's-land", with only charred chimneys and burnt stubble showing where homes and thriving communities had once stood.

Bingham was on much firmer ground in denouncing the severity of the order. There can be no doubt that its execution resulted in a great deal of hardship and suffering. H. B. Bouton, a Unionist living near Kansas City, told of seeing large numbers of “poor people, widows and children, who, with little bundles of clothing, are crossing the river to be subsisted by the charities of the people amongst whom they might find shelter.”[18] Colonel Bazel Lazear, Federal commander at Lexington, Missouri, wrote his wife: “It is heartsickening to see what I have seen. . . . A desolated country and men & women and children, some of them all most [sic] naked. Some on foot and some in old wagons. Oh God.”[19]

Myth #3: But won’t there be immense destructions in Missouri preceding the Second Coming, so extensive that “not a yellow dog will be left to wag his tail”? It’s true that destruction throughout the earth is one of the conditions prior to the Second Coming. Yet as far as destruction in Missouri is concerned there are two schools of thought among members.

One believes that it has already taken place. Elder B. H. Roberts published a reported prophecy of Joseph Smith to Alexander Doniphan, his lawyer in Missouri. According to Doniphan’s brother-in-law, writing the incident over seventy years after it occurred, Joseph Smith warned Doniphan that “ ‘God’s wrath hangs over Jackson County … and you will live to see the day when it will be visited by fire and sword. The fields and farms and houses will be destroyed, and only the chimneys will be left to mark the desolation.’

“General Doniphan said to me,” his brother-in-law continued, “that the devastation of Jackson county [during the Civil War] forcibly reminded him of this remarkable prediction.” Elder Roberts cites additional descriptions of Jackson County’s role during the Civil War as fulfillment of this prophecy. (See Comprehensive History of the Church, 1:538–59; italics added.)

The other school of thought on the so-called “yellow dog” prophecy is that some members feel it is yet to occur. However, a study of the supposed source of the prophecy is helpful. It seems to have originated in a conversation between Heber C. Kimball and Amanda H. Wilcox in Salt Lake City in May 1868. She reports him as saying, “The western boundries of the State of Missouri will be swept so clean of its inhabitants that, as President Young tells us, when we return to that place, ‘There will not be left so much as a yellow dog to wag his tail.’ ” (Prophetic Sayings of Heber C. Kimball to Sister Amanda H. Wilcox, n.p., n.d., p. 6.)

There seem to be a number of questions about the authenticity of this account since Heber C. Kimball was apparently in Provo, not Salt Lake, during the month of May. Also, no other record exists of Brigham Young making a similar statement. However, it is sufficiently similar to Joseph Smith’s statements, except for the “yellow dog,” that someone may have remembered the original substance but in the retelling allowed embellishment to creep in.