2nd Amendment Ruling and Dissent. Will Mormons step up!

[Wiikwajio]

http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... nt-ruling/

The Ruling is in and anyone that wants to understand how the 14th Amendment destroyed the Constitution should read this ruling. It really explains how the Bill of Rights did not originally apply to the State Citizen and only applied to Congress making laws or the Federal Government violating a State Citizens rights.

Now the question as to how the States, City and Counties will react.

The handgun issue is huge now. You do not have to be registered to join a religion or to give a speech on a corner or to publish news or opinion without first being registered with the police. So if owning a gun is the same as the other guarantees then how can they force you to register a handgun?

Naturally people will have to risk being arrested to truly challenge these laws. So will Mormons and Latter-day Saints step up to defend the Constitution or will they follow the letter of the unconstitutional laws claiming they need to be obedient subjects to the 12th Article of Faith?

[Henmasher]

Well the law just said it is an inalienable right. You would oppose the 12th article of faith by not opposing registration.

[Wiikwajio]

Well the law just said it is an inalienable right. You would oppose the 12th article of faith by not opposing registration.

I agree. We shall see what the fruits of Utah Mormons will be.

[ithink]

http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... nt-ruling/

The Ruling is in and anyone that wants to understand how the 14th Amendment destroyed the Constitution should read this ruling. It really explains how the Bill of Rights did not originally apply to the State Citizen and only applied to Congress making laws or the Federal Government violating a State Citizens rights.

Now the question as to how the States, City and Counties will react.

The handgun issue is huge now. You do not have to be registered to join a religion or to give a speech on a corner or to publish news or opinion without first being registered with the police. So if owning a gun is the same as the other guarantees then how can they force you to register a handgun?

Naturally people will have to risk being arrested to truly challenge these laws. So will Mormons and Latter-day Saints step up to defend the Constitution or will they follow the letter of the unconstitutional laws claiming they need to be obedient subjects to the 12th Article of Faith?

I do not see a dichotomy between the 12th and the D&C. "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Suppose the 12th said just this: "We believe in being subject to kings, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Now what does it say to you? It says that the obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law applies to the king, not you, and it places the law first, above the king, and above you. As long as the king honors the law, we have no trouble subjecting ourselves to the law by that king, president, ruler, or magistrate who himself honors the law. If we did not do this, there would be anarchy, or unrighteous government. Joseph as smart, and he knew what he was doing when he left out the "and" from AoF 12.

[Wiikwajio]

http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... nt-ruling/

The Ruling is in and anyone that wants to understand how the 14th Amendment destroyed the Constitution should read this ruling. It really explains how the Bill of Rights did not originally apply to the State Citizen and only applied to Congress making laws or the Federal Government violating a State Citizens rights.

Now the question as to how the States, City and Counties will react.

The handgun issue is huge now. You do not have to be registered to join a religion or to give a speech on a corner or to publish news or opinion without first being registered with the police. So if owning a gun is the same as the other guarantees then how can they force you to register a handgun?

Naturally people will have to risk being arrested to truly challenge these laws. So will Mormons and Latter-day Saints step up to defend the Constitution or will they follow the letter of the unconstitutional laws claiming they need to be obedient subjects to the 12th Article of Faith?

I do not see a dichotomy between the 12th and the D&C. "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Suppose the 12th said just this: "We believe in being subject to kings, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Now what does it say to you? It says that the obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law applies to the king, not you, and it places the law first, above the king, and above you. As long as the king honors the law, we have no trouble subjecting ourselves to the law by that king, president, ruler, or magistrate who himself honors the law. If we did not do this, there would be anarchy, or unrighteous government. Joseph as smart, and he knew what he was doing when he left out the "and" from AoF 12.

I agree with you and the other fact is that under the law Americans are not and cannot be subjects because the sovereignty cannot also be the subject. Therefore Americans that follow the law cannot be subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates.

But we will see what happens with this new ruling and how it will be attacked by Gun haters. Chicago is calling for a law that requires you to have insurance in order to own a gun. Since I cannot buy insurance because I do not have a Social Security Number it would mean I cannot own a gun. Several religions including some Christian Religions do not believe it is allowed by God for them to have insurance. So it would be a religious and 2nd amendment violation.