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The following material is just my own best guess, so please take it with a grain of salt. If some material sounds like pure speculation on my part, it’s because it is. It’ll be interesting to see when things really happen and how.

In this post, I’ll be presenting:
- My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal
- My interpretation of the half hour of silence
- My proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous
- My proposed approximate timeframe for the Second Coming

Opening of the Seventh Seal

My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal is September 17, 2012.

On this date will be held the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Trumpets. What do trumpets have to do with the opening of the Seventh Seal?

According to the article “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets” by LDS calendar guru John Pratt:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds ... unami.html
“The Feast of Trumpets is the first day of the seventh month [of the Jewish calendar], symbolizing the beginning of the Millennium on the first day of the seventh thousand years.”

To me, the first day of the seventh thousand years is the first day of the Seventh Seal.

Trumps are mentioned in lots of scriptures related to the Second Coming. But explanations of trump sounds are also included in Exodus, when the Israelites were at Mount Sinai and heard audible sounds.
I believe that these “trumps” are actual, audible, very loud sounds heard in the atmosphere. The location of the sounds may make it seem like angels are trumpeting. But what I believe will actually cause the very loud sounds is a large, planetary object very near the earth. According to LDS author Anthony Larson’s study of Immanuel Velikovsky’s works: “As two charged bodies (such as planets) approach one another in space, apparently a pure tone is generated in the atmosphere, likely by electromagnetic oscillation. As the distance between the two bodies increases or decreases, the intensity and the pitch of the sound changes.” [Larson, And the Moon Shall Turn to Blood, pp. 83-84.]

We know that comets/planets will play a role in Second Coming events:
“There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc.” [Joseph Smith (HC, 5:337)]

I believe that a huge, planetary object (like a comet) will also be the source of the great earthquake at the very end of the Sixth Seal, as mentioned in Rev 6:12-17. It will also be the source of the stars of heaven (comet fragments) falling to the earth (verse 13).

When will the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal happen? My best guess is either September 16 or 17, 2012, immediately preceding the sounding of the trumps later in the day on Sept 17th to usher in the Seventh Seal. Going back to John Pratt’s article, “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets,” he states that very large earthquakes have occurred in a pattern on certain dates that correspond to either Skull on the Mayan calendar or a holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar, or both. According to calculations:

- September 16, 2012 = 1 Summer = holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar
- September 17, 2012 = 1 Skull (Mayan calendar)

Either date could be a prime candidate for the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal.

So for the date of the opening of the Seventh Seal, why did I choose the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 rather than some other year?

On another page in John Pratt’s website, we find a Java-enabled spreadsheet he created, into which you can plug in any date you want and see if the date correlates with the calendar cycles of Venus, Mercury, etc.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/calendar ... elist.html

The date for the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 (Sept 17, 2012) matched up exactly with Venus and Mercury each beginning a new cycle. Incidentally, it was the only year I could find between now and 2040 that that holiday matched up with Venus and Mercury cycles.

My explanations below in subsequent sections offer more evidence for the validity of this date.

The Half Hour of Silence

Rev 8:1
AND when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

I believe this refers to 1/2 hour of the Lord’s time, which would be about 20.83 years.

In order to have “silence in heaven,” there must first be sounds in heaven (trumps), a stoppage of that sound (silence in heaven), and then more sounds in heaven (more trumps) to break the silence.

Therefore, the first sounds in heaven (the trumps) will occur at the opening of the Seventh Seal, on September 17, 2012, the Feast of Trumpets. Then there will be no trump sounds (silence) for about 20.83 years, and then there will be sounds in heaven again (more trumps) to break the silence.

The second set of trumps, which break the silence, will usher in the resurrection of the righteous, at the sound of the First Trump. D&C 88 contains prophecies regarding these two sets of trumps, as explained below:

The first set of trumps is referred to in verse 92:

92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

The second set of trumps is referred to in verses 94-107, but I’ll just quote snippets of a few verses, which show that these trumps are separate from the trumps mentioned in verse 92:

94 And another angel shall sound his trump…And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth…
98 …and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump…

Notice that in verse 99, it’s the second trump. This means that the trump in verse 98 is the first trump. The trump in verse 98 is a continuation of the explanation of the trump in verse 94. So the trump in verse 94 is also the first trump, which initiates the resurrection of the righteous.

But the wording in verse 94 is that “another angel shall sound his trump.” This shows that there were angels sounding their trumps previously (in verse 92), before the first trump.

Why would the trump in verse 94 be referred to as the first trump if there had been other trumps before it?

It’s because the trumps mentioned in verse 92 will happen during a separate timeframe, nearly 21 years before the first trump (verse 94). The first trump through the seventh trump occur to break the half hour of silence, nearly 21 years after the initial trumps occur.

But wait! In D&C 88:95, in the middle of those verses about the trumps, it says:
95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled.

I originally assumed that this was again referring to 20.83 years, but it doesn’t say, “about the space of half an hour,” it says, “for the space of half an hour…” I now conclude that this may be a separate prophecy and refers to a period of 30 minutes, which will be referred to below.

The Resurrection of the Righteous

Adding about 20.83 years (or exactly 20.53 years) to September 17, 2012, puts us at April 1, 2033. This is my proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous.

In D&C 88, verses 97 and 98 quoted above, reference is made to the resurrection of the righteous at the sound of the first trump. From related verses in D&C 45:47-53 and Revelation (especially chapter 11), we have all of the following events occur at that very time, at the end of the battle of Armageddon:

- The two prophets in Jerusalem will have been killed and lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days
- The sound of the first trump, both long and loud, breaks the nearly 21 years of silence
- After the first trump is finished sounding, the 30 minutes of silence begins
- During this 30 minutes, the resurrection of the righteous begins
- The two prophets in Jerusalem are also resurrected at that same timeframe
- The face of the Lord is unveiled (to the Jews)
- The Savior descends and sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives (D&C 45:48)
- The earth trembles, and reels to and fro, damaging much of Jerusalem
- This noise breaks the 30 minutes of silence
- The Mount of Olives breaks in two
- Water comes out from under the temple mount (Ezekiel 47:1-2, 8-12; Zechariah 14:8)
- 5/6 of the armies at Armageddon are destroyed by hail (Ezekiel 39:2; Zechariah 14:1)
- The Jews see the Savior’s wounds and become converted

What’s so significant about the date April 1, 2033?

It will be 2000 years since Jesus was resurrected on April 3, 33 AD.

Also, if you plug April 1, 2033 (p.m.) into John Pratt’s spreadsheet, you’ll see that that date is:

- 1 Nisan on the Jewish calendar (the new year for kings and feasts).
- 1 Res on the Venus calendar. This means that Venus “resurrects” on that date, just exactly as the cycle of Venus “resurrected” on April 3, 33 A.D., the same day that Jesus was resurrected.

Therefore, the date April 1, 2033 is an amazingly appropriate date for the resurrection of the righteous and the Savior’s appearance to the Jews.

And the dates September 17, 2012 and April 1, 2033 each include sounds of trumps, with silence in heaven in between (during the Seventh Seal) about the space of half an hour (20.53 years).

In addition, let’s correlate these two years (2012 and 2033) to the Jewish holidays that occur during the seventh month (Tishri) of the Jewish calendar:

1 Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) = 1st day of Seventh Month --> 2012 = 1st year of Seventh Seal
10 Tishri (Day of Atonement) = 10th day of Seventh Month --> 2021 = 10th year of Seventh Seal*
15 Tishri (Feast of Booths) = 15th day of Seventh Month --> 2026 = 15th year of Seventh Seal*
22 Tishri (Eighth Day of Assembly) = 22nd day of Seventh Month --> 2033 = 22nd year of Seventh Seal

*Not sure what will happen during the years 2021 and 2026, but it could be very interesting.

If over 20 years from now until 2033 sounds like a long period of time, remember that there is plenty that needs to happen: the cleansing of the church; the cleansing of America, especially the area in and around Jackson County; the building of the New Jerusalem; the return of the Lost Ten Tribes; the sealing of the 144,000 high priests; the missionary work performed by the 144,000 high priests, etc.

Joseph Smith knew that the cleansing will be necessary:

"And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north
country." [Joseph Smith, HC, 1:315-316.]

The returning Ten Tribes will be more numerous than the members of the Church:

Isaiah 54:1
SING, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

After their return, the Ten Tribes will inhabit the Gentile cities around Jackson County that were left desolate because of the cleansing:

Isaiah 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Timeframe for the Second Coming

My proposed timeframe for the Second Coming is sometime after April 2040.

Contrary to some people’s opinion, the Savior’s appearance to the Jews at the Mount of Olives will NOT be His coming in glory to the world. There are a bunch of things that need to happen before His Second Coming, but AFTER the battle of Armageddon, the earthquake, and the resurrection of the righteous:

“Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, etc.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance.” [Joseph Smith, HC, 5:337]

The phrase “Judah must return” refers to the Kingdom of Judah, or the Jews that were not included with the Lost Ten Tribes. (The Lost Ten Tribes were formerly the Kingdom of Israel). Because of the yet future conversion of some of the Jews at the Mount of Olives, many Jews around the world will also be converted (those who were not already converted through missionary work), and they will therefore make their way to Israel to be restored to the lands of their inheritance:

2 Nephi 10:7
But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance.

Judah must return. Even though some Jews have already settled in Israel, they have done so without being converted yet. After their conversion, the majority of the Jews around the world will gather to Israel.

“Jerusalem must be rebuilt…” This will be necessary because of the tremendous earthquake that causes the earth to reel to and fro (not to be confused with the great earthquake in the Sixth Seal, nearly 21 years earlier).

Also, the Ten Tribes that will have been living around the Jackson County area will pick up and move to Israel, to claim the lands of their inheritance.

Also, the weapons of war (used for the battle of Armageddon) will be burned for seven years. [Ezekiel 39:9-15]

Adding at least 7 years to April 2033 puts us to at least April 2040 before the Lord’s Second Coming. After that point, it will be anyone’s guess.

Only time will tell if I was even in the ballpark on these predicted dates, sequences, and events. At least it’s food for thought.

I'm always impressed by those who analyze scriptures the way you have. I am not an organized person so my conclusions get muddled along the way.

Personally, and I've said this any number of times on this forum - I believe we are already in the Seventh Seal. I've come to realize that it isn't up to me to say why I believe that. Anyway, I do believe we are in the Seventh Seal.

I 'speculate' that the 1/2 hour of silence is the time in which we now find ourselves asking more questions of the General Authorities than they are willing or able to answer.

We are left to our own personal relationships with God, to be worthy to ask Him directly and to receive revelation through the gift and power of the Holy Ghost for the benefit of our individual lives and families. Our abilities to maintain such worthiness is continuously challenged by the Adversary. Nevertheless, our spiritual as well as physical lives are at stake in this very real struggle on the mortal plane.

It is my observation that the entire mortal creation is being destroyed through the wickedness of evil men and women who worship lucifer and regard such destruction a 'worthy sacrifice to their god'. When you think about that statement you approach comprehending the reality of evil.

I have no idea when the Savior will return in 'Glory', but I can't help but 'speculate' that 'there should no flesh be saved' if the Lord holds out until 2040. Again, I don't know.

Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

I believe the Lord when He promises that 'those days shall be shortened'. I read Revelation 8:12 to mean that time will literally be shortened - that 1/3 of of 12 daylight hours and 1/3 of 12 nighttime hours means we are living 16 hour days. That seems right to me.

Revelation 8
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

I can only hope that the Lord's return in Glory is sooner than later. I love His Creation and am looking forward to the upgrade.

The first resurrection with the sound of the trump could be a long period of time. We can gain from the scriptures that is definitely happens after the 1/2 hour of silence and is completed before Christ comes and before he ascends in to the mount.

(Doctrine and Covenants 88:95-98.)

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—

98 They are Christ's, the first fruits, they who shall descend with him first, and they who are on the earth and in their graves, who are first caught up to meet him; and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.

(JST 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first;

17 Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord.

(Doctrine and Covenants 29:13.)

13 For a trump shall sound both long and loud, even as upon Mount Sinai, and all the earth shall quake, and they shall come forth—yea, even the dead which died in me, to receive a crown of righteousness, and to be clothed upon, even as I am, to be with me, that we may be one.

(Doctrine and Covenants 43:18.)

18 For the day cometh that the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven; the heavens shall shake and the earth shall tremble, and the trump of God shall sound both long and loud, and shall say to the sleeping nations: Ye saints arise and live; ye sinners stay and sleep until I shall call again


Notice the trump is long and loud.

The following verse gives us clarification as to what coming of the Lord the preceding scripture is talking about.

(Doctrine and Covenants 45:45-49.)

45 But before the arm of the Lord shall fall, an angel shall sound his trump, and the saints that have slept shall come forth to meet me in the cloud.

46 Wherefore, if ye have slept in peace blessed are you; for as you now behold me and know that I am, even so shall ye come unto me and your souls shall live, and your redemption shall be perfected; and the saints shall come forth from the four quarters of the earth.

47 Then shall the arm of the Lord fall upon the nations.

48 And then shall the Lord set his foot upon this mount, and it shall cleave in twain, and the earth shall tremble, and reel to and fro, and the heavens also shall shake.

49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly.

The Lord does not send out the woes pronounced upon the earth until after he has completed the resurrection spoken of. The resurrected will then accompany Christ to the mount, Mount of Olives.
We are aware that many woes are pronounced and are given the time frame of some of them. So the trump both long and loud, is just that, long and loud.


A trump is not necessarily the sound of a trump as we know it. Here is an example of a trump that is prophesied which is being fulfilled as we speak.

(Doctrine and Covenants 133:9-10.)

9 And behold, and lo, this shall be their cry, and the voice of the Lord unto all people: Go ye forth unto the land of Zion, that the borders of my people may be enlarged, and that her stakes may be strengthened, and that Zion may go forth unto the regions round about.

10 Yea, let the cry go forth among all people: Awake and arise and go forth to meet the Bridegroom; behold and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord.

(Doctrine and Covenants 133:19.)

19 Wherefore, prepare ye for the coming of the Bridegroom; go ye, go ye out to meet him.

(Doctrine and Covenants 27:5.)

5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim

The preceding scripture makes it clear the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel and is what is to be proclaimed to all the earth.

(Doctrine and Covenants 88:92-95.)

92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

93 And immediately there shall appear a great sign in heaven, and all people shall see it together.

94 And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

Notice the prophecy of the trump of God that happens before the seventh seal. This trump is going off right now.


(Doctrine and Covenants 36:5.)

5 That as many as shall come before my servants Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith, Jun., embracing this calling and commandment, shall be ordained and sent forth to preach the everlasting gospel among the nations—

(Doctrine and Covenants 77.)

A. We are to understand that they are four angels sent forth from God, to whom is given power over the four parts of the earth, to save life and to destroy; these are they who have the everlasting gospel to commit to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people; having power to shut up the heavens, to seal up unto life, or to cast down to the regions of darkness.

(Doctrine and Covenants 30:9.)

9 Behold, I say unto you, my servant John, that thou shalt commence from this time forth to proclaim my gospel, as with the voice of a trump.

(Doctrine and Covenants 33:2.)

2 For verily, verily, I say unto you that ye are called to lift up your voices as with the sound of a trump, to declare my gospel unto a crooked and perverse generation

(Doctrine and Covenants 34:6.)

6 To lift up your voice as with the sound of a trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.

(Doctrine and Covenants 36:1.)

1 Thus saith the Lord God, the Mighty One of Israel: Behold, I say unto you, my servant Edward, that you are blessed, and your sins are forgiven you, and you are called to preach my gospel as with the voice of a trump;

(Doctrine and Covenants 124:106.)

106 And in all his journeyings let him lift up his voice as with the sound of a trump, and warn the inhabitants of the earth to flee the wrath to come

So a trump has been going off since the translation of the Book of Mormon. The proclaiming of the Book of Mormon which has the everlasting gospel is the trump of God spoken of, yet we do not actually hear a trump.

So it is established that a trump may not be as we think and may cover the span of many years. With this knowledge we can not place a time period on how long the resurrection lasts preparatory to Christs coming to Jerusalem to the Mount of Olives. We can only say it happens after the 1/2 hour of silence, before Christ comes to the Mount of Olives and before the woes and destruction come as proclaimed by the other trumps.

BJ
The this trump is still being sounded to the Gentiles. The half hour of silence is when the 144000 proclaim the gospel to the ten tribes which includes the Jews. The times of the Gentiles is not fulfilled yet.

Very interesting conclusions, thank you all. I was in Central America when a large earthquake hit, it was preceded by a very loud noise, a loud sound, it seemed to me at the time that the sound sounded like a fright train, at first far away then seeming instantly upon us. The sound got my attention, but before I could react the earthquake was also upon us, and I learned very quickly how utterly helpless I felt, I could do nothing, but wait it out. It didn't last but maybe 20 seconds, then it was over. But I'll always remember that sound. I suppose it could be compared to a trumpet. And the completely helpless feeling that come upon me, I'll never forget that, Learned a lot from it!

Bob

Larry wrote:The following material is just my own best guess, so please take it with a grain of salt. If some material sounds like pure speculation on my part, it’s because it is. It’ll be interesting to see when things really happen and how.

In this post, I’ll be presenting:
- My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal
- My interpretation of the half hour of silence
- My proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous
- My proposed approximate timeframe for the Second Coming

Opening of the Seventh Seal

My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal is September 17, 2012.

On this date will be held the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Trumpets. What do trumpets have to do with the opening of the Seventh Seal?

According to the article “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets” by LDS calendar guru John Pratt:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds ... unami.html
“The Feast of Trumpets is the first day of the seventh month [of the Jewish calendar], symbolizing the beginning of the Millennium on the first day of the seventh thousand years.”

To me, the first day of the seventh thousand years is the first day of the Seventh Seal.

Trumps are mentioned in lots of scriptures related to the Second Coming. But explanations of trump sounds are also included in Exodus, when the Israelites were at Mount Sinai and heard audible sounds.
I believe that these “trumps” are actual, audible, very loud sounds heard in the atmosphere. The location of the sounds may make it seem like angels are trumpeting. But what I believe will actually cause the very loud sounds is a large, planetary object very near the earth. According to LDS author Anthony Larson’s study of Immanuel Velikovsky’s works: “As two charged bodies (such as planets) approach one another in space, apparently a pure tone is generated in the atmosphere, likely by electromagnetic oscillation. As the distance between the two bodies increases or decreases, the intensity and the pitch of the sound changes.” [Larson, And the Moon Shall Turn to Blood, pp. 83-84.]

We know that comets/planets will play a role in Second Coming events:
“There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc.” [Joseph Smith (HC, 5:337)]

I believe that a huge, planetary object (like a comet) will also be the source of the great earthquake at the very end of the Sixth Seal, as mentioned in Rev 6:12-17. It will also be the source of the stars of heaven (comet fragments) falling to the earth (verse 13).

When will the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal happen? My best guess is either September 16 or 17, 2012, immediately preceding the sounding of the trumps later in the day on Sept 17th to usher in the Seventh Seal. Going back to John Pratt’s article, “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets,” he states that very large earthquakes have occurred in a pattern on certain dates that correspond to either Skull on the Mayan calendar or a holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar, or both. According to calculations:

- September 16, 2012 = 1 Summer = holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar
- September 17, 2012 = 1 Skull (Mayan calendar)

Either date could be a prime candidate for the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal.

So for the date of the opening of the Seventh Seal, why did I choose the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 rather than some other year?

On another page in John Pratt’s website, we find a Java-enabled spreadsheet he created, into which you can plug in any date you want and see if the date correlates with the calendar cycles of Venus, Mercury, etc.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/calendar ... elist.html

The date for the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 (Sept 17, 2012) matched up exactly with Venus and Mercury each beginning a new cycle. Incidentally, it was the only year I could find between now and 2040 that that holiday matched up with Venus and Mercury cycles.

My explanations below in subsequent sections offer more evidence for the validity of this date.

The Half Hour of Silence

Rev 8:1
AND when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

I believe this refers to 1/2 hour of the Lord’s time, which would be about 20.83 years.

In order to have “silence in heaven,” there must first be sounds in heaven (trumps), a stoppage of that sound (silence in heaven), and then more sounds in heaven (more trumps) to break the silence.

Therefore, the first sounds in heaven (the trumps) will occur at the opening of the Seventh Seal, on September 17, 2012, the Feast of Trumpets. Then there will be no trump sounds (silence) for about 20.83 years, and then there will be sounds in heaven again (more trumps) to break the silence.

The second set of trumps, which break the silence, will usher in the resurrection of the righteous, at the sound of the First Trump. D&C 88 contains prophecies regarding these two sets of trumps, as explained below:

The first set of trumps is referred to in verse 92:

92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

The second set of trumps is referred to in verses 94-107, but I’ll just quote snippets of a few verses, which show that these trumps are separate from the trumps mentioned in verse 92:

94 And another angel shall sound his trump…And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth…
98 …and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump…

Notice that in verse 99, it’s the second trump. This means that the trump in verse 98 is the first trump. The trump in verse 98 is a continuation of the explanation of the trump in verse 94. So the trump in verse 94 is also the first trump, which initiates the resurrection of the righteous.

But the wording in verse 94 is that “another angel shall sound his trump.” This shows that there were angels sounding their trumps previously (in verse 92), before the first trump.

Why would the trump in verse 94 be referred to as the first trump if there had been other trumps before it?

It’s because the trumps mentioned in verse 92 will happen during a separate timeframe, nearly 21 years before the first trump (verse 94). The first trump through the seventh trump occur to break the half hour of silence, nearly 21 years after the initial trumps occur.

But wait! In D&C 88:95, in the middle of those verses about the trumps, it says:
95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled.

I originally assumed that this was again referring to 20.83 years, but it doesn’t say, “about the space of half an hour,” it says, “for the space of half an hour…” I now conclude that this may be a separate prophecy and refers to a period of 30 minutes, which will be referred to below.

The Resurrection of the Righteous

Adding about 20.83 years (or exactly 20.53 years) to September 17, 2012, puts us at April 1, 2033. This is my proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous.

In D&C 88, verses 97 and 98 quoted above, reference is made to the resurrection of the righteous at the sound of the first trump. From related verses in D&C 45:47-53 and Revelation (especially chapter 11), we have all of the following events occur at that very time, at the end of the battle of Armageddon:

- The two prophets in Jerusalem will have been killed and lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days
- The sound of the first trump, both long and loud, breaks the nearly 21 years of silence
- After the first trump is finished sounding, the 30 minutes of silence begins
- During this 30 minutes, the resurrection of the righteous begins
- The two prophets in Jerusalem are also resurrected at that same timeframe
- The face of the Lord is unveiled (to the Jews)
- The Savior descends and sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives (D&C 45:48)
- The earth trembles, and reels to and fro, damaging much of Jerusalem
- This noise breaks the 30 minutes of silence
- The Mount of Olives breaks in two
- Water comes out from under the temple mount (Ezekiel 47:1-2, 8-12; Zechariah 14:8)
- 5/6 of the armies at Armageddon are destroyed by hail (Ezekiel 39:2; Zechariah 14:1)
- The Jews see the Savior’s wounds and become converted

What’s so significant about the date April 1, 2033?

It will be 2000 years since Jesus was resurrected on April 3, 33 AD.

Also, if you plug April 1, 2033 (p.m.) into John Pratt’s spreadsheet, you’ll see that that date is:

- 1 Nisan on the Jewish calendar (the new year for kings and feasts).
- 1 Res on the Venus calendar. This means that Venus “resurrects” on that date, just exactly as the cycle of Venus “resurrected” on April 3, 33 A.D., the same day that Jesus was resurrected.

Therefore, the date April 1, 2033 is an amazingly appropriate date for the resurrection of the righteous and the Savior’s appearance to the Jews.

And the dates September 17, 2012 and April 1, 2033 each include sounds of trumps, with silence in heaven in between (during the Seventh Seal) about the space of half an hour (20.53 years).

In addition, let’s correlate these two years (2012 and 2033) to the Jewish holidays that occur during the seventh month (Tishri) of the Jewish calendar:

1 Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) = 1st day of Seventh Month --> 2012 = 1st year of Seventh Seal
10 Tishri (Day of Atonement) = 10th day of Seventh Month --> 2021 = 10th year of Seventh Seal*
15 Tishri (Feast of Booths) = 15th day of Seventh Month --> 2026 = 15th year of Seventh Seal*
22 Tishri (Eighth Day of Assembly) = 22nd day of Seventh Month --> 2033 = 22nd year of Seventh Seal

*Not sure what will happen during the years 2021 and 2026, but it could be very interesting.

If over 20 years from now until 2033 sounds like a long period of time, remember that there is plenty that needs to happen: the cleansing of the church; the cleansing of America, especially the area in and around Jackson County; the building of the New Jerusalem; the return of the Lost Ten Tribes; the sealing of the 144,000 high priests; the missionary work performed by the 144,000 high priests, etc.

Joseph Smith knew that the cleansing will be necessary:

"And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north
country." [Joseph Smith, HC, 1:315-316.]

The returning Ten Tribes will be more numerous than the members of the Church:

Isaiah 54:1
SING, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

After their return, the Ten Tribes will inhabit the Gentile cities around Jackson County that were left desolate because of the cleansing:

Isaiah 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Timeframe for the Second Coming

My proposed timeframe for the Second Coming is sometime after April 2040.

Contrary to some people’s opinion, the Savior’s appearance to the Jews at the Mount of Olives will NOT be His coming in glory to the world. There are a bunch of things that need to happen before His Second Coming, but AFTER the battle of Armageddon, the earthquake, and the resurrection of the righteous:

“Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, etc.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance.” [Joseph Smith, HC, 5:337]

The phrase “Judah must return” refers to the Kingdom of Judah, or the Jews that were not included with the Lost Ten Tribes. (The Lost Ten Tribes were formerly the Kingdom of Israel). Because of the yet future conversion of some of the Jews at the Mount of Olives, many Jews around the world will also be converted (those who were not already converted through missionary work), and they will therefore make their way to Israel to be restored to the lands of their inheritance:

2 Nephi 10:7
But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance.

Judah must return. Even though some Jews have already settled in Israel, they have done so without being converted yet. After their conversion, the majority of the Jews around the world will gather to Israel.

“Jerusalem must be rebuilt…” This will be necessary because of the tremendous earthquake that causes the earth to reel to and fro (not to be confused with the great earthquake in the Sixth Seal, nearly 21 years earlier).

Also, the Ten Tribes that will have been living around the Jackson County area will pick up and move to Israel, to claim the lands of their inheritance.

Also, the weapons of war (used for the battle of Armageddon) will be burned for seven years. [Ezekiel 39:9-15]

Adding at least 7 years to April 2033 puts us to at least April 2040 before the Lord’s Second Coming. After that point, it will be anyone’s guess.

Only time will tell if I was even in the ballpark on these predicted dates, sequences, and events. At least it’s food for thought.

excellent research. I agree somewhat, other than I would push the opening of the 7th seal back just a little to around say 2020ish. The reason is the interval between the great quake of the 6th seal and all that, and 144000 into the 7th seal.


So basically times of the gentiles fulfilled 2012/13
This leads to the strength of Jacob, and almost fall of this nation
This will enable us to redeem Zion 2020ish
Then the 10 tribes will come (possible 6th seal quake)
Then the 144000 chosen
now we go into 7th seal
space of half hour (rebuilding of new un....leads to eventual beast)
Then the tribes gather to palestine (some)
along with the plagues
Finally the 7th seal beast and armagedon 2040 ish
then final mission work to heathen,etc

144000 i think is the key. they are called before the 7th seal, but for them to be called they have to be here. They can't be here if Zion is not redeemed. Before Zion can be redeemed the times of the gentiles must be fulfilled and Kansas City cleansed, etc

disagree.....hmmmmmmmmmm

sbsion wrote:disagree.....hmmmmmmmmmm

Atleast u disagree happily lol

help wrote:144000 i think is the key. they are called before the 7th seal, but for them to be called they have to be here. They can't be here if Zion is not redeemed. Before Zion can be redeemed...Kansas City cleansed, etc

I totally understand your logic here, because for many years I had interpreted Rev 7:1-4 the same as you have.

Revelation 7:1-4
1 AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

I thought that the 144,000 would be called during the Sixth Seal, and that the return of the Lost Ten Tribes would therefore also need to happen during the Sixth Seal.

However, let's look closely at the wording in those verses in Revelation. There are four angels, and another angel cries to the four angels and says that they are not to do such-and-such until something else happens first.

What physical activity is actually being performed in these verses? Communication. One angel is communicating to four other angels. This communication between angels will happen during the Sixth Seal. When will the 144,000 actually be called? John doesn't say when. Could be Sixth Seal, could be Seventh Seal.

I've concluded that it will be during the Seventh Seal.

Larry wrote:

help wrote:144000 i think is the key. they are called before the 7th seal, but for them to be called they have to be here. They can't be here if Zion is not redeemed. Before Zion can be redeemed...Kansas City cleansed, etc

I totally understand your logic here, because for many years I had interpreted Rev 7:1-4 the same as you have.

Revelation 7:1-4
1 AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

I thought that the 144,000 would be called during the Sixth Seal, and that the return of the Lost Ten Tribes would therefore also need to happen during the Sixth Seal.

However, let's look closely at the wording in those verses in Revelation. There are four angels, and another angel cries to the four angels and says that they are not to do such-and-such until something else happens first.

What physical activity is actually being performed in these verses? Communication. One angel is communicating to four other angels. This communication between angels will happen during the Sixth Seal. When will the 144,000 actually be called? John doesn't say when. Could be Sixth Seal, could be Seventh Seal.

I've concluded that it will be during the Seventh Seal.

Joseph Smith said its already happening, so they were/are being called during the 6th seal. This suggests that among the 144,000 high priests at least some will be resurrected beings.

HC, J SMITH 6:196 wrote: I attended prayer-meeting with the quorum in the assembly room, and made some remarks respecting the hundred and forty-four thousand mentioned by John the Revelator, showing that the selection of persons to form that number had already commenced.

Rensai wrote:

Larry wrote:

help wrote:144000 i think is the key. they are called before the 7th seal, but for them to be called they have to be here. They can't be here if Zion is not redeemed. Before Zion can be redeemed...Kansas City cleansed, etc

I totally understand your logic here, because for many years I had interpreted Rev 7:1-4 the same as you have.

Revelation 7:1-4
1 AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

I thought that the 144,000 would be called during the Sixth Seal, and that the return of the Lost Ten Tribes would therefore also need to happen during the Sixth Seal.

However, let's look closely at the wording in those verses in Revelation. There are four angels, and another angel cries to the four angels and says that they are not to do such-and-such until something else happens first.

What physical activity is actually being performed in these verses? Communication. One angel is communicating to four other angels. This communication between angels will happen during the Sixth Seal. When will the 144,000 actually be called? John doesn't say when. Could be Sixth Seal, could be Seventh Seal.

I've concluded that it will be during the Seventh Seal.

Joseph Smith said its already happening, so they were/are being called during the 6th seal. This suggests that among the 144,000 high priests at least some will be resurrected beings.

HC, J SMITH 6:196 wrote: I attended prayer-meeting with the quorum in the assembly room, and made some remarks respecting the hundred and forty-four thousand mentioned by John the Revelator, showing that the selection of persons to form that number had already commenced.

Thanks for the quote. So I suppose then the final-ality to complete the 144000 will then be when the 10 tribes return.

Larry, also appreciate your thoughts. The calender thing is very interesting, and I know God uses it well. Well, it sounds like our timelines are atleast in the ballpark together.

I know a lot of people who believe we are well into the 7th seal, so we are in different ballparks altogether

The selection of the 144,000 also could have been going on at that time in the premortal life. People receiving there calls as to what they would do on earth. Not saying this is what was meant, just saying it could have been this way.

The selection of the 144,000 also could have been going on at that time in the premortal life. People receiving there calls as to what they would do on earth. Not saying this is what was meant, just saying it could have been this way.

I'm inclined to look at it that way, too.

The first Bismarck, ND Temple Matron (1999) observed, "Each of us is only our own death away from the Second Coming and the First Resurrection."

7th seal will open Sept. 22, 2011

A belief that is not based on what is certain, but on what one thinks to be true.
QUOTE:
When the 7th seal is open we are going to see the dispensation of the fullness of times come to a climax. There is so much more that will be revealed, and it will happen after the 7th seal is opened. There will be new sections of the D&C written through the Urim & Thumim. Who knows, we may already have it. As the earth moves into the vortex there will be a huge earthquake. The blood red moon will represent a reflection of all the bloodshed on earth. One thing about the Super Nova. It will rise in the sky at midnight on Sept 22, 2011. It will light up the Eastern sky as if it were dawn. And at dawn we are going to see 2 suns in the sky. Orion is only visible to the Northern Hemisphere and part of the Southern Hemisphere. The very bottom of the Southern Hemisphere can't see Orion. What are they going to see? There will be multiple signs in the heavens. It just so happens if you live in the Antarctic, Argentina or South Africa you will see a double crescent moon caused by the Orion Super Nova. It would normally be a crescent moon at that time. What do you have to have on Rosh Hashana? A new moon, a double crescent moon. One by land two by sea. One crescent for the first coming. One crescent for the second coming. On Sept 21st, astronomers have a great big telescope. On Sept 21st they are going to alert the whole world that Orion has gone Super Nova. They will see it exploding in their telescope. We cant see it with our naked eye until it climaxes. I believe that in the next 2 years life will go on as usual. In the year 2011, life as we know it is going to change. There is going to be havoc on this planet. If everything is dying. What does that mean for us. Zion, the Lord's people will never ever be destroyed again. I believe that their will be a unification of God's people in the New Jerusalem, and also in the Old Jerusalem. A lot of you believe in BOB cities. I don't have a problem with that. In the millennium the temple work is going to be going on full force. There is no time to procrastinate. It will take a good 20 years for us to be righteous enough to meet the Lord. And the Lord is going to give us time to get ready. For a thousand years we will be preparing the earth for a celestial glory.

YouTube- LDS, And The Moon Shall Turn To Blood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5_xS0Pb ... r_embedded

buffalo_girl wrote:

The selection of the 144,000 also could have been going on at that time in the premortal life. People receiving there calls as to what they would do on earth. Not saying this is what was meant, just saying it could have been this way.

I'm inclined to look at it that way, too.

The first Bismarck, ND Temple Matron (1999) observed, "Each of us is only our own death away from the Second Coming and the First Resurrection."

That is a possibility I hadn't thought of. I guess the reason I read it to mean resurrected beings is because I read it along with what Orson Pratt said.

JD, O PRATT 18:25 wrote:
How long will they who come from the north countries tarry in the heights of Zion? Sometime. They have got to raise wheat, cultivate the grape, wine and oil, raise flocks and herds, and their souls will have to become as a watered garden. They will dwell in Zion a good while, and during that time, there will be twelve thousand chosen out of each of these ten tribes, besides twelve thousand that will be chosen from Judah, Joseph, and the remaining tribes, one hundred and forty-four thousand in all. Chosen for what? To be sealed in their foreheads. For what purpose? So that the power of death and pestilence and plague that will go forth in those days sweeping over the nations of the earth will have no power over them. These parties who are sealed in their foreheads will go forth among all people, nations and tongues, and gather up and hunt out the house of Israel, wherever they are scattered, and bring as many as they possibly can into the Church of the first-born, preparatory to the great day of the coming of the Lord. One hundred and forty-four thousand missionaries! Quite a host. All this has got to take place. There are persons in this congregation who will be in the midst of Zion, when the ten tribes come to Zion from the north countries, and will assist in bestowing the blessings promised by the Almighty upon the heads of the tribes of Israel. There are servants of God in the midst of this congregation who will lay their hands upon many of each of these twelve thousand, chosen out of the ten tribes, and set them apart as missionaries to visit the nations of the earth and hunt up the remnants of the seed of Jacob.

He clearly implies resurrected beings will be involved, so I read it to mean they would be among the 144,000 as well. The idea of them being called in premortal life hadn't occurred to me. Perhaps it is both?

Larry wrote:The following material is just my own best guess, so please take it with a grain of salt. If some material sounds like pure speculation on my part, it’s because it is. It’ll be interesting to see when things really happen and how.

In this post, I’ll be presenting:
- My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal
- My interpretation of the half hour of silence
- My proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous
- My proposed approximate timeframe for the Second Coming

Opening of the Seventh Seal

My proposed date for the opening of the Seventh Seal is September 17, 2012.

On this date will be held the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Trumpets. What do trumpets have to do with the opening of the Seventh Seal?

According to the article “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets” by LDS calendar guru John Pratt:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds ... unami.html
“The Feast of Trumpets is the first day of the seventh month [of the Jewish calendar], symbolizing the beginning of the Millennium on the first day of the seventh thousand years.”

To me, the first day of the seventh thousand years is the first day of the Seventh Seal.

Trumps are mentioned in lots of scriptures related to the Second Coming. But explanations of trump sounds are also included in Exodus, when the Israelites were at Mount Sinai and heard audible sounds.
I believe that these “trumps” are actual, audible, very loud sounds heard in the atmosphere. The location of the sounds may make it seem like angels are trumpeting. But what I believe will actually cause the very loud sounds is a large, planetary object very near the earth. According to LDS author Anthony Larson’s study of Immanuel Velikovsky’s works: “As two charged bodies (such as planets) approach one another in space, apparently a pure tone is generated in the atmosphere, likely by electromagnetic oscillation. As the distance between the two bodies increases or decreases, the intensity and the pitch of the sound changes.” [Larson, And the Moon Shall Turn to Blood, pp. 83-84.]

We know that comets/planets will play a role in Second Coming events:
“There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc.” [Joseph Smith (HC, 5:337)]

I believe that a huge, planetary object (like a comet) will also be the source of the great earthquake at the very end of the Sixth Seal, as mentioned in Rev 6:12-17. It will also be the source of the stars of heaven (comet fragments) falling to the earth (verse 13).

When will the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal happen? My best guess is either September 16 or 17, 2012, immediately preceding the sounding of the trumps later in the day on Sept 17th to usher in the Seventh Seal. Going back to John Pratt’s article, “Tsunami on the Feast of Trumpets,” he states that very large earthquakes have occurred in a pattern on certain dates that correspond to either Skull on the Mayan calendar or a holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar, or both. According to calculations:

- September 16, 2012 = 1 Summer = holy day on the Enoch Fixed calendar
- September 17, 2012 = 1 Skull (Mayan calendar)

Either date could be a prime candidate for the great earthquake of the Sixth Seal.

So for the date of the opening of the Seventh Seal, why did I choose the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 rather than some other year?

On another page in John Pratt’s website, we find a Java-enabled spreadsheet he created, into which you can plug in any date you want and see if the date correlates with the calendar cycles of Venus, Mercury, etc.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/calendar ... elist.html

The date for the Feast of Trumpets in 2012 (Sept 17, 2012) matched up exactly with Venus and Mercury each beginning a new cycle. Incidentally, it was the only year I could find between now and 2040 that that holiday matched up with Venus and Mercury cycles.

My explanations below in subsequent sections offer more evidence for the validity of this date.

The Half Hour of Silence

Rev 8:1
AND when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

I believe this refers to 1/2 hour of the Lord’s time, which would be about 20.83 years.

In order to have “silence in heaven,” there must first be sounds in heaven (trumps), a stoppage of that sound (silence in heaven), and then more sounds in heaven (more trumps) to break the silence.

Therefore, the first sounds in heaven (the trumps) will occur at the opening of the Seventh Seal, on September 17, 2012, the Feast of Trumpets. Then there will be no trump sounds (silence) for about 20.83 years, and then there will be sounds in heaven again (more trumps) to break the silence.

The second set of trumps, which break the silence, will usher in the resurrection of the righteous, at the sound of the First Trump. D&C 88 contains prophecies regarding these two sets of trumps, as explained below:

The first set of trumps is referred to in verse 92:

92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

The second set of trumps is referred to in verses 94-107, but I’ll just quote snippets of a few verses, which show that these trumps are separate from the trumps mentioned in verse 92:

94 And another angel shall sound his trump…And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth…
98 …and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump…

Notice that in verse 99, it’s the second trump. This means that the trump in verse 98 is the first trump. The trump in verse 98 is a continuation of the explanation of the trump in verse 94. So the trump in verse 94 is also the first trump, which initiates the resurrection of the righteous.

But the wording in verse 94 is that “another angel shall sound his trump.” This shows that there were angels sounding their trumps previously (in verse 92), before the first trump.

Why would the trump in verse 94 be referred to as the first trump if there had been other trumps before it?

It’s because the trumps mentioned in verse 92 will happen during a separate timeframe, nearly 21 years before the first trump (verse 94). The first trump through the seventh trump occur to break the half hour of silence, nearly 21 years after the initial trumps occur.

But wait! In D&C 88:95, in the middle of those verses about the trumps, it says:
95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled.

I originally assumed that this was again referring to 20.83 years, but it doesn’t say, “about the space of half an hour,” it says, “for the space of half an hour…” I now conclude that this may be a separate prophecy and refers to a period of 30 minutes, which will be referred to below.

The Resurrection of the Righteous

Adding about 20.83 years (or exactly 20.53 years) to September 17, 2012, puts us at April 1, 2033. This is my proposed date for the resurrection of the righteous.

In D&C 88, verses 97 and 98 quoted above, reference is made to the resurrection of the righteous at the sound of the first trump. From related verses in D&C 45:47-53 and Revelation (especially chapter 11), we have all of the following events occur at that very time, at the end of the battle of Armageddon:

- The two prophets in Jerusalem will have been killed and lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days
- The sound of the first trump, both long and loud, breaks the nearly 21 years of silence
- After the first trump is finished sounding, the 30 minutes of silence begins
- During this 30 minutes, the resurrection of the righteous begins
- The two prophets in Jerusalem are also resurrected at that same timeframe
- The face of the Lord is unveiled (to the Jews)
- The Savior descends and sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives (D&C 45:48)
- The earth trembles, and reels to and fro, damaging much of Jerusalem
- This noise breaks the 30 minutes of silence
- The Mount of Olives breaks in two
- Water comes out from under the temple mount (Ezekiel 47:1-2, 8-12; Zechariah 14:8)
- 5/6 of the armies at Armageddon are destroyed by hail (Ezekiel 39:2; Zechariah 14:1)
- The Jews see the Savior’s wounds and become converted

What’s so significant about the date April 1, 2033?

It will be 2000 years since Jesus was resurrected on April 3, 33 AD.

Also, if you plug April 1, 2033 (p.m.) into John Pratt’s spreadsheet, you’ll see that that date is:

- 1 Nisan on the Jewish calendar (the new year for kings and feasts).
- 1 Res on the Venus calendar. This means that Venus “resurrects” on that date, just exactly as the cycle of Venus “resurrected” on April 3, 33 A.D., the same day that Jesus was resurrected.

Therefore, the date April 1, 2033 is an amazingly appropriate date for the resurrection of the righteous and the Savior’s appearance to the Jews.

And the dates September 17, 2012 and April 1, 2033 each include sounds of trumps, with silence in heaven in between (during the Seventh Seal) about the space of half an hour (20.53 years).

In addition, let’s correlate these two years (2012 and 2033) to the Jewish holidays that occur during the seventh month (Tishri) of the Jewish calendar:

1 Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) = 1st day of Seventh Month --> 2012 = 1st year of Seventh Seal
10 Tishri (Day of Atonement) = 10th day of Seventh Month --> 2021 = 10th year of Seventh Seal*
15 Tishri (Feast of Booths) = 15th day of Seventh Month --> 2026 = 15th year of Seventh Seal*
22 Tishri (Eighth Day of Assembly) = 22nd day of Seventh Month --> 2033 = 22nd year of Seventh Seal

*Not sure what will happen during the years 2021 and 2026, but it could be very interesting.

If over 20 years from now until 2033 sounds like a long period of time, remember that there is plenty that needs to happen: the cleansing of the church; the cleansing of America, especially the area in and around Jackson County; the building of the New Jerusalem; the return of the Lost Ten Tribes; the sealing of the 144,000 high priests; the missionary work performed by the 144,000 high priests, etc.

Joseph Smith knew that the cleansing will be necessary:

"And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north
country." [Joseph Smith, HC, 1:315-316.]

The returning Ten Tribes will be more numerous than the members of the Church:

Isaiah 54:1
SING, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

After their return, the Ten Tribes will inhabit the Gentile cities around Jackson County that were left desolate because of the cleansing:

Isaiah 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Timeframe for the Second Coming

My proposed timeframe for the Second Coming is sometime after April 2040.

Contrary to some people’s opinion, the Savior’s appearance to the Jews at the Mount of Olives will NOT be His coming in glory to the world. There are a bunch of things that need to happen before His Second Coming, but AFTER the battle of Armageddon, the earthquake, and the resurrection of the righteous:

“Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, etc.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance.” [Joseph Smith, HC, 5:337]

The phrase “Judah must return” refers to the Kingdom of Judah, or the Jews that were not included with the Lost Ten Tribes. (The Lost Ten Tribes were formerly the Kingdom of Israel). Because of the yet future conversion of some of the Jews at the Mount of Olives, many Jews around the world will also be converted (those who were not already converted through missionary work), and they will therefore make their way to Israel to be restored to the lands of their inheritance:

2 Nephi 10:7
But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance.

Judah must return. Even though some Jews have already settled in Israel, they have done so without being converted yet. After their conversion, the majority of the Jews around the world will gather to Israel.

“Jerusalem must be rebuilt…” This will be necessary because of the tremendous earthquake that causes the earth to reel to and fro (not to be confused with the great earthquake in the Sixth Seal, nearly 21 years earlier).

Also, the Ten Tribes that will have been living around the Jackson County area will pick up and move to Israel, to claim the lands of their inheritance.

Also, the weapons of war (used for the battle of Armageddon) will be burned for seven years. [Ezekiel 39:9-15]

Adding at least 7 years to April 2033 puts us to at least April 2040 before the Lord’s Second Coming. After that point, it will be anyone’s guess.

Only time will tell if I was even in the ballpark on these predicted dates, sequences, and events. At least it’s food for thought.

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YOU MUST HAVE A PURE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORIGINAL HOLIDAYS as they were originally prescribed in order to elucidate the Lord's calendar. You must have the original script. The original script is profound and is filled with clues. Now I'm going to give you some examples. Let's talk about the
PASSOVERS- in plural. There wasn't just one Passover there were two, but the Jews forgot about the second Passover. WHY? Because they rejected their Passover Jew. Let's review this really quickly. Everybody talks about the first Passover. What was the first Passover? The Passover in Egypt - Called "The Lord's Passover" because the Lord passed over the Israelites - they had the blood of the pascal lamb. Then what happened? Pharaoh lets the Israelites go and they travel 6 days to the Red Sea. They get to the Red Sea and they are exhausted, and they set up camp. Just as the sun is setting, who do they see? Pharaoh's army! It says in Exodus, 600 chariots coming in hot pursuit. And there the Israelites were, 1.5 million pinned against the sea. We all know what happened, but we forget. What happened that night? The second Passover. The Israelites passed over the Red Sea. JEHOVAH, and it was all a type and shadow of what was going to happen in the meridian of time. Unless you understand that you will never figure out the Lord's calendar. The whole world has forgotten about the second Passover. What do the Jews celebrate? The Jews celebrate the first Passover. That's it! They dropped the ball! The most important Passover they don't even acknowledge it. What was the Lord's prescription of Passover. It was a 7 day holiday, with the 1st day as a Sabbath and the 7th day as a Sabbath. Why is that so important? Do you think, we don't have time for the Passover, that is for Easter! But we've got to talk about because you cannot understand the Second Coming if you don't understand. Now let me tell you what trips. Turn to John 13:1. I know that some of this material is heavy, but let the spirit whisper to you what I am telling you is true. I'm your tutor. I did the hard work for you. You are going to know more about the Second Coming then anyone in your church after this. John 13:1 - "Now before the feast of the Passover" ---John is a good Jewish boy and knew the Passover really well. He celebrated the Feast of the Passover as it was supposed to be celebrated before the holiday was corrupt. So when he said, "Now before the feast of the Passover", what feast is he talking about. See to him its understood. Right now he is probably thrilled that you are getting it. He is happy that you're here, that I am clarifying it for you. What was the original prescription of the holiday? The first day was a feast and the Sabbath and the 7th day was a feast and the Sabbath. Why? Because there were 2 Passovers. So when John said, "Before the feast of the Passover," which feast is he referring to. The whole world thinks he is referring to the first. What were the Pascal (Passover) lambs of the first Passover? When the Lord prescribed the Passover, he said that every family, through the power of the priesthood, should sacrifice a lamb on Passover Eve. Which Passover? The first Passover was the Lord's Passover. And whose Pascal Lambs were they? The Lord's lambs. He shared them with us. When the Saints needed a Pascal lamb it was the Lord's, but he shared it with them. It was not legitimate unless it was done through the power of the Priesthood. Okay, so the first Passover is celebrated and then there are 5 days where you have to eat unleaven bread, and then there is a Sabbath and a feast day on the 7th that is celebrated - and who is the Pascal Lamb on that feast? The Savior! Do we canabalize him? What do we do? It is a spiritual feast and on the 7th day feast the Israelites were given a fore taste of the Sacrament - for centuries this happened. Now how can you understand John's rendition of the atonement unless you know that. Let me give you another example. Turn to John 18:28. Which Passover is referred to in this reading? The 2nd Passover. The whole world misses this. Let's turn to another one in John 19:14. What Passover? The 2nd Passover. IT CHANGES EVERYTHING! Why? Because the whole world thinks that Jesus was crucified on the 1st Passover. According to Mosaic Law, all Pascal lambs had to be sacrificed on Passover Eve. So when were all the Pascal lambs sacrificed, except Jesus Christ - on Passover Eve of the 1st Passover. So when was Jesus supposed to be crucified, on the Passover Eve of the 2nd Passover. Unless you know that you will never figure out the Lord's calendar. One last example. John 19:31 - "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (of the 2nd Passover) that the body should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day was an high day." Again, the whole world is lost! They think the Sabbath day is what? The weekly Sabbath, but what was the Lord's original prescription. The 1st and 7th days of Passover were also Sabbaths. It changes everything. We think in terms of a weekly Sabbath, but the Jews anciently had multiple Sabbaths. PASSOVERS!
FEAST OF THE TRUMPETS (Rosh Hashanah), YOM KIPPUR, FEAST OF THE TABERNACLE: Now we come to a set of Holidays that directly pertain to the Second Coming. They are Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Trumpets, 1st day of the 7th month, Yom Kippur, and the Feast of the Tabernacle. Now again, all of you Biblical scholars, the feast of the Tabernacle(s) is a misnomer. It was a portable temple. There was a feast prescribed for the tabernacle. WHY? Who lives in the temple? The Lord! So it was a celebration of having the Lord right there with you. It is important that I interject to why we as LDS do not celebrate these holidays, directly. What do we do? We indirectly celebrate them. In what manner? Every 6 months the church goes through painstaking efforts, spends lots of energy and money to do General Conference. It is a holiday. The one in April falls on PASSOVER. The one in OCTOBER falls on Feast of the Trumpets, Yom Kippur and the Feast of the Tabernacle. So in a way, the Lord is priming us for further light and knowledge. Why don't we have conference on Christmas or in the summer? Because the Lord is priming us for His holidays. Sometime before the 2nd coming, we are not only going to hold General Conference, but we, as LDS, are going to celebrate these holidays. Don't take it from me. When President Monson puts it into effect, you are going to say, You mark my word, before the 2nd coming its going to happen. We're not really going to change a whole lot. We are going to have a spiritual feast at the same time, but we are going to be instructed on these holidays, just like I am instructing you. WHY! Because they are so important! You cannot understand the 2nd coming unless you have a grasp on these.

QUOTE: The Mayans are off by a year and the official opening of the Seventh Seal will be the evening of Sept. 22, 2011 when the light from the Orion constellation super-nova (Betelgeuse) reaches earth. The night will remain light as day and that will be the sign, but the Second Coming will be about 22 years later (which would account for the 1/2 hour of silence in Heaven, as mentioned in the Book of Revelation.) During that 22 years on earth, the trumpets will blow and the vials will be poured out, which means lots of true last days destructions. At any rate, in the next two-plus years we'll all know about these things.

REVELATIONS 8:1 "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." STOP! We just gloss over that, like, okay! First of all, he said that when the 7th seal is open.. We may not know the day nor the hour, but if we can pinpoint exactly when the 7th seal is open we are home free. THAT we can figure out! Guess what a ½ hour is in celestial time? Almost 22 years. Now, tell me that is a coincidence. I am going to give you further evidence. How many chapters in Revelations? 22 chapters. How long was Ezekiel's ministry? 22 years. When did the Angel Moroni come to Joseph Smith, 5 years in a row? On the 22nd. What does September mean in Latin? 7th month. The original 7th month on the Julian calendar was September, and it was only after Agustus came on the scene, that He wanted August named after him, that it was changed to the 9th month. The reason that the Angel Moroni came to Joseph Smith, 5 years in a row on September 22nd was to drop a bomb on us! It was one thing if he came once or twice, but 5 years in a row. The Lord was trying to tell us something! He was putting it in Neon lights! After the 7th seal is open, there is almost 22 years until the Second Coming. Now what does Joseph Smith call September 22nd in the Pearl of Great Price? New Year's Eve. Why didn't he call it New Year's Day? Why didn't he just call it the Fall Equinox? Actually, I went back and checked the Equinox charts, and in the 1820's, every Fall Equinox fell on September 23rd. Why is that important? The fact that the Angel Moroni came on the 22nd means that the 7th seal hadn't opened yet, but was about to be opened.

We are blessed to have such brilliant and inspired men in the Church like Dr. John Pratt and Dr. David Cohen. Ive been an admirer of John Pratt's work for a number of years since his wonderful Ensign articles on the Restoration of Priesthood Keys back in 1985. http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

I hadnt heard of Dr. David Cohen until I read comments on this site and then followed those up. He is a medical doctor by profession but as a Jewish Mormon has uncanny insight into and understanding of Jewish language, religion and culture.

John's statement in Revelation 6 that after the opening of the Sixth Seal there is a great earthquake and mountains and islands flee and men hide themselves in the rocks etc. is an anachronism - a chronological error. John either deliberately put it in there to teach us something about this very short period 1820AD - 2033AD which overlaps the 6th and 7th seals or in his excitement over what he saw he made a mistake?!

The answer is hidden in plain sight, but we don't get it until Chapter 16. Those particular events which John listed as happening in the 6th Seal actually happen in the 7th Seal. In Chapter 16 he gets the timing correct:

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding" (Revelation 16:17-21)

Can we also assume that the other events stated in Chapter 7 as happening in the Sixth Seal actually happen just a few years later but in the Seventh Seal. The sealing of the 144,000 began in the Sixth with the Restoration of the Priesthood but doesn't actually culminate until the Seventh Seal and the great final mission to the whole earth just before the Second Coming.

Again John gets his timing right in Chapter 14: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads." (Verse 1)

Dr. David Cohen believes that the Seventh Seal will open at the Autumnal Equinox or Jewish New Years Day 2011 or the begining of the Seventh Month which is September 23.
This will be 2000 years from the Lord's Twelth Year in 11AD when he received the Priesthood, communed with the Father and opened the Fifth Seal.
If the Seventh Seal opens in 2011 then Christ will return 22 years later in 2033 - exactly 2000 years from the time that he ascended to his Father in 33AD!!

"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:9-11)

Exciting times indeed!

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Philadelphiaangel wrote:I was born on September 10, 1973, how's that for a marked dragon. When I went to Philadelphia, President Hinckley and Elder Ballard formed the New Jersey Cherry Hill Mission. This mission was retired after 15 years when it began in July 1st 1995. It's interesting to see the Church wants to have the Philadelphia Temple built in 2013, which I consider to be a new time frame. The Egyptians greatest pyramid structures were made at the beginning of the current Mayan Calendar we are now on until Joseph Smith's 207th birthday comes along. I think the Egyptians had a knowlege of their position in the galaxy at the time and formed a large clock out of buildings for the 5,200 plus years of the sun's rotation around the galaxy. Take the time frame of September 17, 2012, this is 40 years and 7 days after my birth in 1973. To this date I'm responsible for helping about 150,000 new converts come into the Mormon Church. There aren't many missionaries who have ever seen as much success as I have any time in history and in this day and age when people choose without public force. Joseph Smith's 200th birthday was part of a large celebration as a birthday milestone, it is exactly 1/8th of 1600. A furlong is 1/8th of a mile so I think your speculation on this target is in the high accuracy range of a scatterplot graph where "r" is close to 1 or -1 like a straight line in space or a pillar. Compare this with Lehi's prophecies and it can be seen that Lehi may have concidered the galaxy as sort of an hour glass, he was on one end and we today are on the other. Actually I believe Jacob placed the ancient prophet Zenos directly at the other side or the "high" side of the galaxy next to the Book of Enos to help represent an ending and a new beginning. The serpent Moses rose up in the wilderness was a sign of the dragon and a representation of signs similar to when the movie "Enter the Dragon" with Bruce Lee was filmed. These two hemispheres of Mayan's and your perspective coming into a graph together and forming in similar ways. Forty years wandering in the wilderness helps to represent the life of a dragon and it's purification process before entering a new land.

Makes as much sense as many of the posts on this site.

To this date I'm responsible for helping about 150,000 new converts come into the Mormon Church. There aren't many missionaries who have ever seen as much success as I have any time in history and in this day and age when people choose without public force

What? Nothing like pointing a finger at yourself.

I get a little suspicious when someone starts bragging about their exploits.

NoGreaterLove wrote:

To this date I'm responsible for helping about 150,000 new converts come into the Mormon Church. There aren't many missionaries who have ever seen as much success as I have any time in history and in this day and age when people choose without public force

What? Nothing like pointing a finger at yourself.

I get a little suspicious when someone starts bragging about their exploits.

Not to embarrass him, but Mark is responsible for helping about 150,001 new converts into the church

Philadelphiaangel wrote:I was born on September 10, 1973, how's that for a marked dragon. When I went to Philadelphia, President Hinckley and Elder Ballard formed the New Jersey Cherry Hill Mission. This mission was retired after 15 years when it began in July 1st 1995. It's interesting to see the Church wants to have the Philadelphia Temple built in 2013, which I consider to be a new time frame. The Egyptians greatest pyramid structures were made at the beginning of the current Mayan Calendar we are now on until Joseph Smith's 207th birthday comes along. I think the Egyptians had a knowlege of their position in the galaxy at the time and formed a large clock out of buildings for the 5,200 plus years of the sun's rotation around the galaxy. Take the time frame of September 17, 2012, this is 40 years and 7 days after my birth in 1973. To this date I'm responsible for helping about 150,000 new converts come into the Mormon Church. There aren't many missionaries who have ever seen as much success as I have any time in history and in this day and age when people choose without public force. Joseph Smith's 200th birthday was part of a large celebration as a birthday milestone, it is exactly 1/8th of 1600. A furlong is 1/8th of a mile so I think your speculation on this target is in the high accuracy range of a scatterplot graph where "r" is close to 1 or -1 like a straight line in space or a pillar. Compare this with Lehi's prophecies and it can be seen that Lehi may have concidered the galaxy as sort of an hour glass, he was on one end and we today are on the other. Actually I believe Jacob placed the ancient prophet Zenos directly at the other side or the "high" side of the galaxy next to the Book of Enos to help represent an ending and a new beginning. The serpent Moses rose up in the wilderness was a sign of the dragon and a representation of signs similar to when the movie "Enter the Dragon" with Bruce Lee was filmed. These two hemispheres of Mayan's and your perspective coming into a graph together and forming in similar ways. Forty years wandering in the wilderness helps to represent the life of a dragon and it's purification process before entering a new land.

As a public service, I am providing an interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

As a public service, I am providing an interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

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