O'Reilly Says Mitt Romney Will Be Next President

[moonwhim]

Moonwhim, Thanks for that quote from President Hinkley. Could you please give us a page number for that above Statement by President Hinkley. I have a use for it, but would like to cite the page number.

Sorry Lundbaek, but I don't have the book at present and it has been awhile since I copied that quote so I can't give you page number, the quote is accurate, but I understand the importance of having the documentation.....I do need to get another copy, I think it is valuable to motivate people to action by quoting a recent Prophet.

[Mosby]

Wear Mitts shoes? I'd rather wear my own thank you! Ive made some mistakes over the years but never have I even come close to publicly supporting and defending the right to kill unborn children. That alone should tell you everything you need to know about Mitt Romney.

Finally some common sense on the issue- thanks LukeAir!


Nice quote moonwhim, I really am thankfull for that quote- it may go on my wall in the home.

[moonwhim]

Nice quote moonwhim, I really am thankfull for that quote- it may go on my wall in the home.

There is a lot of wisdom in Hinckley's quote, a call to action which us Mormons really need, I must get the book again and really mine it for more gems.

[Mark]

I am saddened to see the tone that has emerged throughout this entire thread. Perhaps as Brethren here we should re-read the last 10 verses of section 121 of the D&C and re-work that tone into more of what the Lord suggests thru these wonderful verses.

[LukeAir2008]

I am saddened to see the tone that has emerged throughout this entire thread. Perhaps as Brethren here we should re-read the last 10 verses of section 121 of the D&C and re-work that tone into more of what the Lord suggests thru these wonderful verses.

"Thou Shalt Support Gadiantons and their works of darkness and be good little Sheeple" (Secret Gospel of Mark 1:1)

[natasha]

I am saddened to see the tone that has emerged throughout this entire thread. Perhaps as Brethren here we should re-read the last 10 verses of section 121 of the D&C and re-work that tone into more of what the Lord suggests thru these wonderful verses.

I'm saddened, too, Mark....and I ask forgiveness for even having posted anything on this thread....especially since the post I made did not attack anyone....but rather I put forth some things that have helped me in my life, especially these last several years....and I get told to go back to my happy place! This tells me a thing or two about the person who said that and it really and truly saddens me. No one on this forum knows what I do or don't do. No one knows if I am able to keep a healthy balance by, yes, being involved with the four-fold mission of the Church while still being involved and kept up to date on things that are going on in my community, state, and country. Maybe that's one of the "weaknesses" of forums and blogs....the inability to look one another in the eye and see what is really intended. I feel like I should just give people the benefit of the doubt, but when it happens over and over again...I begin to "raise an eyebrow".

[Mosby]

bobhenstra wrote:
50 years ago President Benson warned us about our LDG's, almost 60 years ago he was warning us about communism. MORE THEN HALF A CENTURY HAS PASSED SINCE THOSE WARNINGS!

Do any of you suppose we got this far "after" those prophetic warnings because of a lack of righteousness in the true church as a whole? Or has it been because of the anger and hate of you few who insist that we all exhibit that same anger and hate against our fellow man?

Simply put, I refuse to partake of your "admitted" anger and hate! My efforts go to helping the poor, doing work for the dead, helping those in crises, teaching those able to be taught, not wasting much time with those who are not yet capable of understanding true principals of Salvation, instead waiting for them to see the error of their understandings, as many have and "all" eventually will! I simply quote the prophets, understanding them is by the Spirit, the same Spirit that is rarely unwilling to push past the anger and hate the few exhibit in the true church. We're all being tested, those who continue in anger and hate will fail the test.

I trust my Lord to do what he has said he'll do. Cleanse the church (Parable of the Ten virgins), no anger and hate will exist in the church after the cleansing! Cleanse the country, then the world (Parable of the Wheat and the Tares), will anger and hate exist after that cleansing? In the Spirit world, those in Spirit Prison will eventually repent and be forgiven, or will suffer the terrible agony of the "Parable of the Potter" and after repent, and then be forgiven, "All", Children of the Most High!

Then I trust our Lord to return to us here in mortality, forgive as of our sins as we repent in this mortal world or in the spirit world, its all the same! And be our Lord and King ruling in a "ONE" world government, already established with a constitution that cannot and will not fail, beginning with this country, that cannot and will not fail. Only our people will fail, "especially" those filled with anger and hate against their fellow man, no matter "who" their fellow man is! Especially those who refuse to spend their time and talents helping the poor and afflicted, instead they concern themselves with events and conditions "only" personal righteousness will solve. If we're prepared, both spiritually and physically, why be so fearful of what one man can do to a sacred document and country our Lord has sworn to protect?

Our type and shadow we must use as a guide is Helaman 6 through 3rd Nephi 8

In third Nephi the righteous Nephites invited the repentant gadiantons to come and live with them! Like the people of Ammon before them, No hate and anger demonstrated, just pure love!

Bob


Thank you, Bob...I thoroughly enjoyed this post and agree with you 100%.

I'm saddened, too, Mark....and I ask forgiveness for even having posted anything on this thread....especially since the post I made did not attack anyone....but rather I put forth some things that have helped me in my life, especially these last several years....and I get told to go back to my happy place! This tells me a thing or two about the person who said that and it really and truly saddens me. No one on this forum knows what I do or don't do. No one knows if I am able to keep a healthy balance by, yes, being involved with the four-fold mission of the Church while still being involved and kept up to date on things that are going on in my community, state, and country. Maybe that's one of the "weaknesses" of forums and blogs....the inability to look one another in the eye and see what is really intended. I feel like I should just give people the benefit of the doubt, but when it happens over and over again...I begin to "raise an eyebrow".

"I didn't attack anyone- I just agreed 100% with someone who DID attack everyone........- signed Natasha

Natasha- give me a break, Mark - give me a break

Mark - you are the KING of "starting something", then pulling out the "I'm so saddened by all the contention" line on this forum............ We could find post after post of this on this forum, and those who have been around for a while know what I'm talking about.......


Here's a suggestion Mark- Walk your talk and then maybe someone will listen.......

[natasha]

bobhenstra wrote:
50 years ago President Benson warned us about our LDG's, almost 60 years ago he was warning us about communism. MORE THEN HALF A CENTURY HAS PASSED SINCE THOSE WARNINGS!

Do any of you suppose we got this far "after" those prophetic warnings because of a lack of righteousness in the true church as a whole? Or has it been because of the anger and hate of you few who insist that we all exhibit that same anger and hate against our fellow man?

Simply put, I refuse to partake of your "admitted" anger and hate! My efforts go to helping the poor, doing work for the dead, helping those in crises, teaching those able to be taught, not wasting much time with those who are not yet capable of understanding true principals of Salvation, instead waiting for them to see the error of their understandings, as many have and "all" eventually will! I simply quote the prophets, understanding them is by the Spirit, the same Spirit that is rarely unwilling to push past the anger and hate the few exhibit in the true church. We're all being tested, those who continue in anger and hate will fail the test.

I trust my Lord to do what he has said he'll do. Cleanse the church (Parable of the Ten virgins), no anger and hate will exist in the church after the cleansing! Cleanse the country, then the world (Parable of the Wheat and the Tares), will anger and hate exist after that cleansing? In the Spirit world, those in Spirit Prison will eventually repent and be forgiven, or will suffer the terrible agony of the "Parable of the Potter" and after repent, and then be forgiven, "All", Children of the Most High!

Then I trust our Lord to return to us here in mortality, forgive as of our sins as we repent in this mortal world or in the spirit world, its all the same! And be our Lord and King ruling in a "ONE" world government, already established with a constitution that cannot and will not fail, beginning with this country, that cannot and will not fail. Only our people will fail, "especially" those filled with anger and hate against their fellow man, no matter "who" their fellow man is! Especially those who refuse to spend their time and talents helping the poor and afflicted, instead they concern themselves with events and conditions "only" personal righteousness will solve. If we're prepared, both spiritually and physically, why be so fearful of what one man can do to a sacred document and country our Lord has sworn to protect?

Our type and shadow we must use as a guide is Helaman 6 through 3rd Nephi 8

In third Nephi the righteous Nephites invited the repentant gadiantons to come and live with them! Like the people of Ammon before them, No hate and anger demonstrated, just pure love!

Bob


Thank you, Bob...I thoroughly enjoyed this post and agree with you 100%.

I'm saddened, too, Mark....and I ask forgiveness for even having posted anything on this thread....especially since the post I made did not attack anyone....but rather I put forth some things that have helped me in my life, especially these last several years....and I get told to go back to my happy place! This tells me a thing or two about the person who said that and it really and truly saddens me. No one on this forum knows what I do or don't do. No one knows if I am able to keep a healthy balance by, yes, being involved with the four-fold mission of the Church while still being involved and kept up to date on things that are going on in my community, state, and country. Maybe that's one of the "weaknesses" of forums and blogs....the inability to look one another in the eye and see what is really intended. I feel like I should just give people the benefit of the doubt, but when it happens over and over again...I begin to "raise an eyebrow".

"I didn't attack anyone- I just agreed 100% with someone who DID attack everyone........- signed Natasha

Natasha- give me a break, Mark - give me a break

Mark - you are the KING of "starting something", then pulling out the "I'm so saddened by all the contention" line on this forum............ We could find post after post of this on this forum, and those who have been around for a while know what I'm talking about.......


Here's a suggestion Mark- Walk your talk and then maybe someone will listen.......

Mosby: I'd like to go on record as saying that I forgive you.

[Mosby]

Thank you .....I feel better now,and I forgive you for agreeing with Bob's accusation that I and others on this forum who point out Romney's evil works are "full of hate" and "don't understand the Gospel principles"

I even forgive Mark, for what he is about to say in response to my last post

[bobhenstra]

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Trouble with being able to forgive is a certain reality in todays world also! many of us fail to realize that everytime we forgive somebody of his trespasses, real or erroneously perceived, we ourselves are forgiven of a sin equal in nature.

Thank you Natasha and Mark, penitent people! Its the penitent people that'll survive the cleansing, not the angry!

Bob

[Original_Intent]

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Trouble with being able to forgive is a certain reality in todays world also! many of us fail to realize that everytime we forgive somebody of his trespasses, real or erroneously perceived, we ourselves are forgiven of a sin equal in nature.

Thank you Natasha and Mark, penitent people! Its the penitent people that'll survive the cleansing, not the angry!

Bob

I hope you are so full of self congratulation when that cleansing takes place, brother. I sincerely do. Forgiveness is not and never has been the issue. That's a nice new doctrine by the way, that forgiveness works on a one-to-one basis like that. I guess that pretty much screws Laman and Lemuel, they had so much to be forgiven for, I wonder if they were wronged by enough people to ever be *able* to forgive enough to get their own balance sheet cleaned. Or maybe you would have been there saying Laman and Lemuel should lead the Nephites, they were sorry about everything they had done, and they were the eldest so it was their birthright. (I don't really believe this of you, Bob, but certainly you can see this is the other side of the false coin you offer in your unrighteous judgment of anyone who disagrees with you. You see it right? re: your allegation regarding Alma and your "serious doubt" that we would have supported him. So by the same token you would have LIKELY supported Laman and Lemuel due to the birthright being theirs and your need to forgive them? Is it a fair analogy or am I being unfair and mean spirited here somehow? Please tell me and explain, because I would like to work on these anger issues you keep pointing out.

[bobhenstra]

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Trouble with being able to forgive is a certain reality in todays world also! many of us fail to realize that everytime we forgive somebody of his trespasses, real or erroneously perceived, we ourselves are forgiven of a sin equal in nature.

Thank you Natasha and Mark, penitent people! Its the penitent people that'll survive the cleansing, not the angry!

Bob

I hope you are so full of self congratulation when that cleansing takes place, brother. I sincerely do. Forgiveness is not and never has been the issue. That's a nice new doctrine by the way, that forgiveness works on a one-to-one basis like that. I guess that pretty much screws Laman and Lemuel, they had so much to be forgiven for, I wonder if they were wronged by enough people to ever be *able* to forgive enough to get their own balance sheet cleaned. Or maybe you would have been there saying Laman and Lemuel should lead the Nephites, they were sorry about everything they had done, and they were the eldest so it was their birthright. (I don't really believe this of you, Bob, but certainly you can see this is the other side of the false coin you offer in your unrighteous judgment of anyone who disagrees with you. You see it right? re: your allegation regarding Alma and your "serious doubt" that we would have supported him. So by the same token you would have LIKELY supported Laman and Lemuel due to the birthright being theirs and your need to forgive them? Is it a fair analogy or am I being unfair and mean spirited here somehow? Please tell me and explain, because I would like to work on these anger issues you keep pointing out.

Lol, it would seem there's a lot that's new to you! New doctrine?? Not hardly; The Prophet Joseph Smith quoting the Lord said in plainness; "Remember that whatsoever measure you mete out to others, it shall be measured to you again." (HC 3:233.)
(Joseph Smith, Discourses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Alma P. Burton [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1977], 218.)

The term "whatsoever" Covers the bad--and the good we do "to" and "for" our fellow man. it includes "forgiveness"----and ignorance!

Bob

[Original_Intent]

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Trouble with being able to forgive is a certain reality in todays world also! many of us fail to realize that everytime we forgive somebody of his trespasses, real or erroneously perceived, we ourselves are forgiven of a sin equal in nature.

Thank you Natasha and Mark, penitent people! Its the penitent people that'll survive the cleansing, not the angry!

Bob

I hope you are so full of self congratulation when that cleansing takes place, brother. I sincerely do. Forgiveness is not and never has been the issue. That's a nice new doctrine by the way, that forgiveness works on a one-to-one basis like that. I guess that pretty much screws Laman and Lemuel, they had so much to be forgiven for, I wonder if they were wronged by enough people to ever be *able* to forgive enough to get their own balance sheet cleaned. Or maybe you would have been there saying Laman and Lemuel should lead the Nephites, they were sorry about everything they had done, and they were the eldest so it was their birthright. (I don't really believe this of you, Bob, but certainly you can see this is the other side of the false coin you offer in your unrighteous judgment of anyone who disagrees with you. You see it right? re: your allegation regarding Alma and your "serious doubt" that we would have supported him. So by the same token you would have LIKELY supported Laman and Lemuel due to the birthright being theirs and your need to forgive them? Is it a fair analogy or am I being unfair and mean spirited here somehow? Please tell me and explain, because I would like to work on these anger issues you keep pointing out.

Lol, it would seem there's a lot that's new to you! New doctrine?? Not hardly; The Prophet Joseph Smith quoting the Lord said in plainness; "Remember that whatsoever measure you mete out to others, it shall be measured to you again." (HC 3:233.)
(Joseph Smith, Discourses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Alma P. Burton [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1977], 218.)

The term "whatsoever" Covers the bad--and the good we do "to" and "for" our fellow man. it includes "forgiveness"----and ignorance!

Bob

Since you seem to be more interested in word games than the truth, I'll play. I guess by your interpretation, if we deal dishonestly with our fellow man, the Lord will deal with us dishonestly?
Now if you want to quit playing silly word games and quit torturing the words of the Lord, get out of your courtroom mindset and discuss things, let me know. If you want to hew to the discussion at hand instead of wandering off into tangents when you think you can catch someone in their words, please signify.

[Mosby]

The term "whatsoever" Covers the bad--and the good we do "to" and "for" our fellow man. it includes "forgiveness"----and ignorance

The term "picking and choosing a scripture here and a scripture there" to bolster your own argument comes to mind here Bob- I met a lot of folks on my mission that practiced what you are trying to do here with your stand on empowering Modern day Gadiantons like Romney- by hiding behind "forgiveness"

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Honestly Bob, I can't even believe you dare to equate Alma's conversion with Romneys misdeeds........Let's get the story straight here Bob, Alma voluntarily recognized his sins and evil ways- repented - asked God and THE PEOPLE for forgiveness, and then set out to right his wrongs by teaching the pure doctrine of Christ. Has Romney done this?

No- he continues to lead ignorant Mormons astray..........Come on Bob, if you are going to use the scriptures- at least know the story..........

And you are right, I would NOT have voted for Alma - until AFTER he had a change of heart, repented and sought to correct his false doctrine- if Romney has a "Alma-style" conversion- I'll be the first to vote for him

[bobhenstra]

Lol, it would seem there's a lot that's new to you! New doctrine?? Not hardly; The Prophet Joseph Smith quoting the Lord said in plainness; "Remember that whatsoever measure you mete out to others, it shall be measured to you again." (HC 3:233.)
(Joseph Smith, Discourses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Alma P. Burton [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1977], 218.)

The term "whatsoever" Covers the bad--and the good we do "to" and "for" our fellow man. it includes "forgiveness"----and ignorance!

Bob

Since you seem to be more interested in word games than the truth, I'll play. I guess by your interpretation, if we deal dishonestly with our fellow man, the Lord will deal with us dishonestly?

No, "someone else" will treat "you" dishonestly! you forgive, somebody will forgive you. You cheat, your cheated. You help someone, someone will help you. You steal, something of yours will be stolen. You make a false accusation about somebody else, somebody will make a false accusation about you. No matter, the good the bad, and of course the ugly, it comes back to you!

Now if you want to quit playing silly word games and quit torturing the words of the Lord, get out of your courtroom mindset and discuss things, let me know. If you want to hew to the discussion at hand instead of wandering off into tangents when you think you can catch someone in their words, please signify.[/quote]

You accused me of inventing a new doctrine, I demonstrated to you it is not new and has been taught for 2000 years, the struggle in understanding truth is yours!

Bob

[bobhenstra]

The term "whatsoever" Covers the bad--and the good we do "to" and "for" our fellow man. it includes "forgiveness"----and ignorance

The term "picking and choosing a scripture here and a scripture there" to bolster your own argument comes to mind here Bob- I met a lot of folks on my mission that practiced what you are trying to do here with your stand on empowering Modern day Gadiantons like Romney- by hiding behind "forgiveness"

Back in Alma's day, "after" he repented, he ran for "Chief Judge," and was elected! I seriously doubt many of you commenting on this thread would have voted for Alma, had you lived in his day!

Honestly Bob, I can't even believe you dare to equate Alma's conversion with Romneys misdeeds........Let's get the story straight here Bob, Alma voluntarily recognized his sins and evil ways- repented - asked God and THE PEOPLE for forgiveness, and then set out to right his wrongs by teaching the pure doctrine of Christ. Has Romney done this?

No- he continues to lead ignorant Mormons astray..........Come on Bob, if you are going to use the scriptures- at least know the story..........

And you are right, I would NOT have voted for Alma - until AFTER he had a change of heart, repented and sought to correct his false doctrine- if Romney has a "Alma-style" conversion- I'll be the first to vote for him

Prove to me that Romney is a latter-day gadianton! To me he's just slightly left of my stance concerning politics. Proof is needed here! You'd be wise to be careful with the false accusations!

Prove to me the "Mormons" are being led astray by Romney! Because you don't like him means I shouldn't like him? Sorry, I think your wrong!

Bob

[Mahonri]

Prove to me the "Mormons" are being led astray by Romney! Because you don't like him means I shouldn't like him? Sorry, I think your wrong!

Bob

Prove he is a LDG? He is clearly not an honest man, which makes him evil according to D&C 98. He claims to be pro family, and conservative, when he supports youth gay pride and compulsory healthcare. He claims to be conservative and a gun rights supporter, but in reality, he supports the brady Gun ban.

So he is not honest, supports things against the religion he professes to belong to while denying its foundational event. So at bare minimum he should not be supported, but with some more time, it could be easily shown he is working to destroy freedom on accident at best, and a activly working to destroy freedom on purpose at worst. Either way, he is working to destroy freedom.

[bobhenstra]

Prove to me the "Mormons" are being led astray by Romney! Because you don't like him means I shouldn't like him? Sorry, I think your wrong!

Bob

Prove he is a LDG? He is clearly not an honest man, which makes him evil according to D&C 98. He claims to be pro family, and conservative, when he supports youth gay pride and compulsory healthcare. He claims to be conservative and a gun rights supporter, but in reality, he supports the brady Gun ban.

So he is not honest, supports things against the religion he professes to belong to while denying its foundational event. So at bare minimum he should not be supported, but with some more time, it could be easily shown he is working to destroy freedom on accident at best, and a activly working to destroy freedom on purpose at worst. Either way, he is working to destroy freedom.

He also has had several meetings with the First Presidency, was that also wrong? Do you suspect they warned him about his "supposed" wickedness? Is he no longer a card carrying Latter-day Saint?

I think your making false accusations about a penitent individual! May I suggest a study of King Hezekiah? Romney might be "our" Hezekiah in these troubling times!

Bob

[Original_Intent]

And he "might" be our King Noah. Supporting someone because they "might" fill this role or that (or not supporting him for the same reason) = unwise.

Believe it or not, I would LOVE to be able to support Mitt Romney. No sarcasm, I would love to be able to with a clean conscience. But an honest appraisal of the man won't allow it. If you can honestly say that you could support someone who has his positions and has done what he has done EVEN IF HE WEREN'T LDS, then by all means do so, but if you cannot say that then you are also admitting you are supporting him BECAUSE he is LDS rather than on his record or his principles. And frankly, I think a good many Utah Mormons and others as well are going to be under condemnation for doing so, which is the only reason I stridently speak out against doing so.

All else being equal, if Mitt were not LDS he wouldn't garner 5% support in Utah. Utah (as a whole) has no room to comment on African-Americans supporting Obama based on race.

[Mahonri]

Prove to me the "Mormons" are being led astray by Romney! Because you don't like him means I shouldn't like him? Sorry, I think your wrong!

Bob

Prove he is a LDG? He is clearly not an honest man, which makes him evil according to D&C 98. He claims to be pro family, and conservative, when he supports youth gay pride and compulsory healthcare. He claims to be conservative and a gun rights supporter, but in reality, he supports the brady Gun ban.

So he is not honest, supports things against the religion he professes to belong to while denying its foundational event. So at bare minimum he should not be supported, but with some more time, it could be easily shown he is working to destroy freedom on accident at best, and a activly working to destroy freedom on purpose at worst. Either way, he is working to destroy freedom.

He also has had several meetings with the First Presidency, was that also wrong? Do you suspect they warned him about his "supposed" wickedness? Is he no longer a card carrying Latter-day Saint?

I think your making false accusations about a penitent individual! May I suggest a study of King Hezekiah? Romney might be "our" Hezekiah in these troubling times!

Bob

So because they met with Obama, Obama must be a good guy to according to this logic. Maybe Obama is our Alma the younger

Come on and use your brain. Show me the proof he is penitent. We have shown you the proof of his lies in the past.

[lundbaek]

I may be the only one here who has witnessed live Mitt Romney's public statements of endorsement and support of AZ Senator McCain, and I've probably been a constituent of McCain longer than anyone else here - ever since we relocated to AZ in 1987. My opinion of McCain is not based only on testimony of others, but on observations that caused me to actively participate in a recall effort, if that tells you anything. And I have in recent years followed his voting record in the Senate. I can assure you that Romney is swaying LDS voters toward McCain. Do I understand correctly that he endorsed and supported Senator Bob Bennett in UT for re-election?

I am, however, finding more LDS voters who are disenchanted with both McCain and Romney. I just wish more were waking up.

As for Romney being penitent for his "Moses and the bush" statement, and for his failure to fully promote constitutional and moral principles, I am not aware of any statements from him that would indicate repentance. His support of Bennett and McCain just detracts further from his integrity in my eyes.

[Mosby]

Prove to me that Romney is a latter-day gadianton! To me he's just slightly left of my stance concerning politics. Proof is needed here! You'd be wise to be careful with the false accusations!

Prove to me the "Mormons" are being led astray by Romney! Because you don't like him means I shouldn't like him? Sorry, I think your wrong!

Romney's immoral and unconstitutional actions and stands on issues have been proven over and over by many on this very thread- why you choose to ignore then is a mystery to me. "false accusations" ??? only in your mind Bob, I hate to be rude here - but anyone with a brain can rather quickly discern that these "accusations" are truth- based on the man's own words. Video's, soundbites and articles posted prove what we are saying -is a fact, regardless of you ignoring the evidence and sticking your head in the sand.

Closing your eyes while plugging your ears won't make Romney's on words and actions dissapear.

Prove to you that Mormons are being led astray by Romney? That's easy Bob- go find a mirror and gaze into it

[Original_Intent]

I appreciate everyone's input on this thread, but I feel like we are entering hamster-wheel-land, so barring something noteworthy being brought up, I am signing off on this thread.

[LukeAir2008]

Maybe Bro. Romney has a problem with the truth. Maybe Bob, Mark & Natasha don't have a problem with this.

Maybe those members of the church and this forum who's fragile testimonies rely upon worldy acceptance and the worldy success of wealthy 'mormon' celebrities won't like this.

We are not questioning Bro. Romney's private morality. Thats his business. However, he's a politician who desires political power and public office. That is the public's business!

[Book of Ruth]

Forget Mitt, McCain, how about Jan Brewer gov. of AZ for Pres.?